I have a thing for studying people and trying to figure them out. Have studied such folks as JFK, his father Joe Kennedy, Jackie Onassis, Jerry Garcia, Jim Morrison, Charles de Gaulle, Elvis...you get the idea. No one has stumped me like Prince. He really fooled us with his addiction. That is how skilled he was at subterfuge. Remember how folks were adamant they never "saw" him take drugs.

I may just bow out of this "wild goose chase" and admit defeat though intuition tells me there is "more" but geez I don't really have time for all this panning for nuggets of truth. For God's sakes, I'm in the middle of a remodel.

So much of him was cryptic and unknoweable. Some days I just find him annoyingly enigmatic.I've noticed Tyka and Sharon talk in circles as well. Truth does seem to be high on the list of values in that family.

I say we take a vote and majority wins; that will be the truth. I'll concede to addiction only.

peggyon said:

disch said:

don't you think if there was a Deep Dark Secret in the autopsy such as a terminal disease, that would've been something that would've been mentioned in the lawsuit (and, of course, by SOMEONE in the investigation files, but we've discussed that one)? Surely someone along the way would have dropped the ball horrifically when it came to properly addressing that terminal disease, as least as much as Walgreens and the doctors at the Moline hospital who saw him for a couple hours did?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital/doctors in Moline and against Walgreens.

The autopsy has to be given to the Defendants in the discovery process in order for them

to properly defend a wrongful death claim.

If the case actually goes to trial, we will know all the details of the autopsy.

BINGO.....GREAT OBSERVATIONS!

violetcrush said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital/doctors in Moline and against Walgreens.

The autopsy has to be given to the Defendants in the discovery process in order for them

to properly defend a wrongful death claim.

If the case actually goes to trial, we will know all the details of the autopsy.

Wondering if those suits will go anywhere? Can Moline be held liable for not forcing Prince to stay longer? Or is it due to not testing the meds? And Walgreens was just filling a legitimate prescription, right? Or am I missing something?

I think it's because Moline only visually identified the meds and didn't run test on it. I can't understand the Walgreens thing, but I think it's because they filled a script for KJ when it was actually for Prince. It's not like Walgreen's would've known that KJ was going to give those pills to Prince.

It's a pretty stupid lawsuit if you ask me.

disch said:

don't you think if there was a Deep Dark Secret in the autopsy such as a terminal disease, that would've been something that would've been mentioned in the lawsuit (and, of course, by SOMEONE in the investigation files, but we've discussed that one)? Surely someone along the way would have dropped the ball horrifically when it came to properly addressing that terminal disease, as least as much as Walgreens and the doctors at the Moline hospital who saw him for a couple hours did?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the hospital/doctors in Moline and against Walgreens.

The autopsy has to be given to the Defendants in the discovery process in order for them

to properly defend a wrongful death claim.

If the case actually goes to trial, we will know all the details of the autopsy.

very valid point, i thought that it was possible that any info related to any other conditions was just intentionally kept quiet because it was the od that actually killed him. There are enough whispers from people like funksterr to at least keep my interest in other factors alive.

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:

I have a thing for studying people and trying to figure them out. Have studied such folks as JFK, his father Joe Kennedy, Jackie Onassis, Jerry Garcia, Jim Morrison, Charles de Gaulle, Elvis...you get the idea. No one has stumped me like Prince. He really fooled us with his addiction. That is how skilled he was at subterfuge. Remember how folks were adamant they never "saw" him take drugs.

I may just bow out of this "wild goose chase" and admit defeat though intuition tells me there is "more" but geez I don't really have time for all this panning for nuggets of truth. For God's sakes, I'm in the middle of a remodel.

So much of him was cryptic and unknoweable. Some days I just find him annoyingly enigmatic.I've noticed Tyka and Sharon talk in circles as well. Truth does seem to be high on the list of values in that family.

I say we take a vote and majority wins; that will be the truth. I'll concede to addiction only.

I say just an addiction but I do think it is possible he may have had AIDS. That Blind Item article coming out just days before his death....and he found out about it. It's just weird. [Edited 6/14/18 21:49pm]

i thought so too, or at least thought it was a good possibility but funksterr and trickchristopher both said it wasn't aids. I think it might have been something cancerous that was on and off, maybe in remission, or under s"ome sort of control. or some other condition like arthritis or something. It's heartbreaking though that Prince's comp showed he visited the blind item site the night he od'd. funksterr called that "a factor in why we lost him" but didn't say much more. My interpretation of what he may have meant was that Prince might not have wanted to go into rehab with those kinds of rumours out there, but i' don't know.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said: I say just an addiction but I do think it is possible he may have had AIDS. That Blind Item article coming out just days before his death....and he found out about it. It's just weird. [Edited 6/14/18 21:49pm]

i thought so too, or at least thought it was a good possibility but funksterr and trickchristopher both said it wasn't aids. I think it might have been something cancerous that was on and off, maybe in remission, or under s"ome sort of control. or some other condition like arthritis or something. It's heartbreaking though that Prince's comp showed he visited the blind item site the night he od'd. funksterr called that "a factor in why we lost him" but didn't say much more. My interpretation of what he may have meant was that Prince might not have wanted to go into rehab with those kinds of rumours out there, but i' don't know.

What is The Blind Item site??

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

i thought so too, or at least thought it was a good possibility but funksterr and trickchristopher both said it wasn't aids. I think it might have been something cancerous that was on and off, maybe in remission, or under s"ome sort of control. or some other condition like arthritis or something. It's heartbreaking though that Prince's comp showed he visited the blind item site the night he od'd. funksterr called that "a factor in why we lost him" but didn't say much more. My interpretation of what he may have meant was that Prince might not have wanted to go into rehab with those kinds of rumours out there, but i' don't know.

What is The Blind Item site??

Oh, right - a bullshit gossip site....gotcha. The fact that Prince pulled up that site means nothing, other than he saw his name and was curious as to what was written. They also found prince.org on his search history too. No doubt he kept up on all sites where he was a topic...

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:

I have a thing for studying people and trying to figure them out. Have studied such folks as JFK, his father Joe Kennedy, Jackie Onassis, Jerry Garcia, Jim Morrison, Charles de Gaulle, Elvis...you get the idea. No one has stumped me like Prince. He really fooled us with his addiction. That is how skilled he was at subterfuge. Remember how folks were adamant they never "saw" him take drugs.

I may just bow out of this "wild goose chase" and admit defeat though intuition tells me there is "more" but geez I don't really have time for all this panning for nuggets of truth. For God's sakes, I'm in the middle of a remodel.

So much of him was cryptic and unknoweable. Some days I just find him annoyingly enigmatic.I've noticed Tyka and Sharon talk in circles as well. Truth does seem to be high on the list of values in that family.

I say we take a vote and majority wins; that will be the truth. I'll concede to addiction only.

I say just an addiction but I do think it is possible he may have had AIDS. That Blind Item article coming out just days before his death....and he found out about it. It's just weird. [Edited 6/14/18 21:49pm]

Just addiction - there have been sooooo many AIDS gossip stories. I went back and looked at that Blind Item post, and commenters were speculating it was actually about Will Smith and/or Eddie Murphy. Not too credible in my opinion....

violetcrush said:

disch said:

There’s no way full blown, untreated aids would have gone completely unnoticed by dr s during his exam and by the moline hospital, even if prince for whatever kept it secret from these medical pros while still agreeing to exams and blood work by dr s. The aids theory particularly makes no sense. violetcrush said:

Just addiction - there have been sooooo many AIDS gossip stories. I went back and looked at that Blind Item post, and commenters were speculating it was actually about Will Smith and/or Eddie Murphy. Not too credible in my opinion....

disch said:

There’s no way full blown, untreated aids would have gone completely unnoticed by dr s during his exam and by the moline hospital, even if prince for whatever kept it secret from these medical pros while still agreeing to exams and blood work by dr s. The aids theory particularly makes no sense. violetcrush said:

Just addiction - there have been sooooo many AIDS gossip stories. I went back and looked at that Blind Item post, and commenters were speculating it was actually about Will Smith and/or Eddie Murphy. Not too credible in my opinion....

Right - there are outward tell-tale signs, specifically lesions/sores that develop in the later stages. Also, any cold or flu would have most likely advanced quickly into pneumonia or another more severe infection.

PeteSilas said:

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Right - there are outward tell-tale signs, specifically lesions/sores that develop in the later stages. Also, any cold or flu would have most likely advanced quickly into pneumonia or another more severe infection.

Yes you do make a good point. I just feel like a lot of the clues point that way, it is entirely plausible : dude had a lot is sex in his day! And Robin Power said he didn't always use protection , with the girls he loved, and this was late 80s and early 90s and HIV was spreading wildly back then. If not AIDS maybe Hepitits C, can be spread through sex and that causes liver damage. So that coupled with he just seemed to have changed in the last year's, like he was really facing his own mortality. Plus if he was celibate. Also I will tell you fifteen years ago when I met someone who knew or worked with Prince or a girl had been with him and I told them about my huge crush on him , I got the vibe like Girl stay AWAY from that dude! They didn't really say anything but I just got the feeling they didn't want to be the one to take my rose coloured glasses off. Who knows maybe they just thought I was way to sweet of a girl...who knows. Whatever the factors in his death will probably all be revealed one day. [Edited 6/15/18 11:16am] [Edited 6/15/18 11:17am]

I think in the mid to late 80's he would have been aware of the AIDS crisis. I was a teenager, and distinctly remember watching the announcement on TV where they discussed the official name of the disease, and confirmed Rock Hudson had AIDS. From that point forward, it was everywhere - news, talk shows, articles, etc. Yes, initially they suspected it was a disease only effecting homosexuals, but that quickly changed when they discovered those who had blood transfusions with tainted blood were diagnosed as well. Also, Prince actually spoke about being careful in the lyrics to one of his songs in the early 90's (can't remember the name, I'll have to look for it) where he says, "gotta see your papers first....okay you're clean" or something along those lines. I think he may have been more careful than most of us think - even back then...

violetcrush said:

disch said:

There’s no way full blown, untreated aids would have gone completely unnoticed by dr s during his exam and by the moline hospital, even if prince for whatever kept it secret from these medical pros while still agreeing to exams and blood work by dr s. The aids theory particularly makes no sense. violetcrush said:

Right - there are outward tell-tale signs, specifically lesions/sores that develop in the later stages. Also, any cold or flu would have most likely advanced quickly into pneumonia or another more severe infection.

my sister had aids and even towards the end of her life you couldn't necessarily tell she was that sick. different patients have differenct symptoms and the lesions, (Kaposi's sarcoma) only happens with patients who contracted it a certain way. It's a strange disease with a a lot of seeming contradictions to a layman like me, in fact, I once bought into some of the Hiv is a myth because of all the wierd inconsistencies.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

i thought so too, or at least thought it was a good possibility but funksterr and trickchristopher both said it wasn't aids. I think it might have been something cancerous that was on and off, maybe in remission, or under s"ome sort of control. or some other condition like arthritis or something. It's heartbreaking though that Prince's comp showed he visited the blind item site the night he od'd. funksterr called that "a factor in why we lost him" but didn't say much more. My interpretation of what he may have meant was that Prince might not have wanted to go into rehab with those kinds of rumours out there, but i' don't know.

Pete do you mean him finding out someone leeked info was a factor in his overdose?

no, i think that everyone pretty much knew about the od by then, or rather they knew something serious happened, he couldn't stop that one. I'm not sure what funksterr meant when they said the blind item was "a factor in why we lost him" you have to ask him and i don't think he'll say much because he's pretty much been run off along with tricky. I'm just saying, i think there is possibly more than meets the eye here, it never made sense since day one.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said: I say just an addiction but I do think it is possible he may have had AIDS. That Blind Item article coming out just days before his death....and he found out about it. It's just weird. [Edited 6/14/18 21:49pm]

Just addiction - there have been sooooo many AIDS gossip stories. I went back and looked at that Blind Item post, and commenters were speculating it was actually about Will Smith and/or Eddie Murphy. Not too credible in my opinion....

also, my thought was, at the time that someone in P's camp saw him sick, didn't know what it was, assumed it was aids and leaked it in that fashion. Him being so secretive and probably appearing sick in person didn't do much for him there. Maybe Prince was worried about feeding the fire, after all, one person here who was at the final appearance at PP said Prince looked pissed when he addressed the crowd. Kinda pathetic really that his control issue never changed, I remember seeing my mom on her death bed and having the epiphany that she wasted her whole life being angry about shit that happened to her when she was 3, it's sad and wasteful that people can't grow past things.

"Sign of the Times" referenced HIV/AIDS. He knew about it. But very few people survived the initial years of the disease back then. I think Magic Johnson was the first celebrity who went on the cocktail and survived. I just believe AIDS was the most salacious disease the tabs could come up with, so they gave it to him.

[Edited 6/15/18 11:50am]

1Sasha said:

"Sign of the Times" referenced HIV/AIDS. He knew about it. But very few people survived the initial years of the disease. I think Magic Johnson was the first celebrity who went on the cocktail and survived. I just think AIDS was the most salacious disease the tabs could come up with, so they gave it to him.

that's right, he was well aware, people were dropping like flies, one of his role models Liberace, several of his contemporaries, Jermain Taylor (who tried to say he gave it to magic), Dan Hartman, Eazy E (who was straight by all accounts) lots of inconsistencies with the disease. It's difficult for men to get from women, very difficult which is why many people didn't believe that Magic didn't get it from another man. I studied it with my limited understanding and lots of it still doesn't make sense.

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

I think in the mid to late 80's he would have been aware of the AIDS crisis. I was a teenager, and distinctly remember watching the announcement on TV where they discussed the official name of the disease, and confirmed Rock Hudson had AIDS. From that point forward, it was everywhere - news, talk shows, articles, etc. Yes, initially they suspected it was a disease only effecting homosexuals, but that quickly changed when they discovered those who had blood transfusions with tainted blood were diagnosed as well. Also, Prince actually spoke about being careful in the lyrics to one of his songs in the early 90's (can't remember the name, I'll have to look for it) where he says, "gotta see your papers first....okay you're clean" or something along those lines. I think he may have been more careful than most of us think - even back then...

Yes i hope so. There are so many diseases and infections out there. There is certainly a cost and risk in a promiscuous lifestyle. Sounded like his life was like Caligula..lol..sometimes I think that played into his JW conversion too...like living in that extreme...just it can have an effect on you spiritually, and that is no judgement on him either, I certainly was no angel either , but I see value in God's plan and am happier now and most at peace than I have EVER been in my life. Also it has been my understanding that HIV can take up to 6 months to show up in bloodwork. If that is the case "yo papers" mean nothing if someone just contracted the virus.

that's right, there is a heartbreaking docu on the porn industry where a beautiful latina gets HIV because of the boneheaded testing procedures giving a clean bill of health to some hiv infected guy. The Hiv tester was an old porn star, not a real doctor, all she had in common with a doctor was her little white jacket, and she is shown trying to deflect blame. so many misunderstandings of these diseases out there. Also, someone on here said astutely that a super religious lifestyle usually comes after a real hoedown of a youth, I think it's true, go to any church their will be people talking about how they fucked everyone before they found jesus, look at vanity, donna summer they overcompensate by becoming fanatically christian.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said: Yes i hope so. There are so many diseases and infections out there. There is certainly a cost and risk in a promiscuous lifestyle. Sounded like his life was like Caligula..lol..sometimes I think that played into his JW conversion too...like living in that extreme...just it can have an effect on you spiritually, and that is no judgement on him either, I certainly was no angel either , but I see value in God's plan and am happier now and most at peace than I have EVER been in my life. Also it has been my understanding that HIV can take up to 6 months to show up in bloodwork. If that is the case "yo papers" mean nothing if someone just contracted the virus.

that's right, there is a heartbreaking docu on the porn industry where a beautiful latina gets HIV because of the boneheaded testing procedures giving a clean bill of health to some hiv infected guy. The Hiv tester was an old porn star, not a real doctor, all she had in common with a doctor was her little white jacket, and she is shown trying to deflect blame. so many misunderstandings of these diseases out there.

Also, someone on here said astutely that a super religious lifestyle usually comes after a real hoedown of a youth, I think it's true, go to any church their will be people talking about how they fucked everyone before they found jesus, look at vanity, donna summer they overcompensate by becoming fanatically christian.

Yes so true. Big guilt complex involved, with so many of them. Prison inmates can get out quicker from being 'born-again', apparently. There's your incentive.

I believe P was using religion as a crutch in order to deal with another crutch [drug use], to deal with his discomfort let's say with celebrity. Examples, early American Bandstand (shy); Rolling Stone interview '85 (lonely); in journalist interviews no tape recordings or 'ad verbatim' note-taking (controlling); before one particular interview some other journo had remarked he didn't look 'natural' following photoshoot and he was mad later that day (vain). Most P fans probably won't agree but that's the way I see it. In the public eye, everything is magnified and celebrity status means having to worry about so many more people's opinions. And most musicians have those same issues - it was recently revealed on BBC Radio - so there's no shame.

Christ, even Leonardo DaVinci had a few different disorders 'wrong' with him. But take them away and you probably lose the genius- it being contingent on the whole package.

[Edited 6/15/18 13:12pm]

ya, i heard some judge say he'd seen nothing but "born again christians" in court, very basic attempt to get leniency. Also, i've noticed most of the people that make a big show of being christian are trying to hide something in themselves. I know from experience to distrust them.

fortuneandserendipity sai

Yes so true. Big guilt complex involved, with so many of them. Prison inmates can get out quicker from being 'born-again', apparently. There's your incentive.

fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

that's right, there is a heartbreaking docu on the porn industry where a beautiful latina gets HIV because of the boneheaded testing procedures giving a clean bill of health to some hiv infected guy. The Hiv tester was an old porn star, not a real doctor, all she had in common with a doctor was her little white jacket, and she is shown trying to deflect blame. so many misunderstandings of these diseases out there.

Also, someone on here said astutely that a super religious lifestyle usually comes after a real hoedown of a youth, I think it's true, go to any church their will be people talking about how they fucked everyone before they found jesus, look at vanity, donna summer they overcompensate by becoming fanatically christian.

Yes so true. Big guilt complex involved, with so many of them. Prison inmates can get out quicker from being 'born-again', apparently. There's your incentive.

I believe P was using religion as a crutch in order to deal with another crutch [drug use], to deal with his discomfort let's say with celebrity. Examples, early American Bandstand (shy); Rolling Stone interview '85 (lonely); in journalist interviews no tape recordings or 'ad verbatim' note-taking (controlling); before one particular interview some other journo had remarked he didn't look 'natural' following photoshoot and he was mad later that day (vain). Most P fans probably won't agree but that's the way I see it. In the public eye, everything is magnified and celebrity status means having to worry about so many more people's opinions. And most musicians have those same issues - it was recently revealed on BBC Radio - so there's no shame.

Christ, even Leonardo DaVinci had a few different disorders 'wrong' with him. But take them away and you probably lose the genius- it being contingent on the whole package.

[Edited 6/15/18 13:12pm]

Prince was always a believer in God based on being raised in the 7th Day Adventist community; however, at the same time he was also exposed to the raunchy side with his Dad playing at strip clubs, and his Mom, according to him, being quite wild. He also spoke about finding all of her porn and "dirty" books when he was pretty young, so he was struggling with the "Christian" vs. "Raunchy" behavior from his teen years forward. He recited the Lord's Prayer in the middle of the song Controversy during that tour in '81/'82 - even Dez said he was like, "what the heck?" During the PR tour he added the whole section at the Piano where God appears and he talks to God about trying to be "good", but they like it when he's "bad". Then you've got the Black album vs. LoveSexy. Then I do think he went deeper into a period of the "raunchy" behavior in the early 90's (especially based on his song lyrics). He emotionally lost it there for awhile - both personally and professionally.

*

My feeling is that he was drawn to the JW religion after the death of his Son. Not a whole lot that is more tragic than losing a child, especially at birth. He connected with Larry Graham right around this time. He was also a strong believer in "signs" from God. I think there is a possiblity that he felt it was a consequence of his past actions/ behaviors - don't know though. I think he needed that connection and he was extremely emotionally vulnerable at that time. He really started talking publicly about it in the '97/'98 time frame. He and Larry appeared on Sinbad's talk show in '98 and talked at length about it. People who are feeling lost or who are deep in grief tend to turn to religion, and usually go much deeper into it.

[Edited 6/15/18 14:09pm]

1Sasha said:

"Sign of the Times" referenced HIV/AIDS. He knew about it. But very few people survived the initial years of the disease back then. I think Magic Johnson was the first celebrity who went on the cocktail and survived. I just believe AIDS was the most salacious disease the tabs could come up with, so they gave it to him.

[Edited 6/15/18 11:50am]

Right, of course - SOTT is a direct reference to the AIDS epidemic - the first song to ever mention it. Susannah also talked about him seeing the headline on the front page of the paper the day before he recorded the song. This was 1986....

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

I think in the mid to late 80's he would have been aware of the AIDS crisis. I was a teenager, and distinctly remember watching the announcement on TV where they discussed the official name of the disease, and confirmed Rock Hudson had AIDS. From that point forward, it was everywhere - news, talk shows, articles, etc. Yes, initially they suspected it was a disease only effecting homosexuals, but that quickly changed when they discovered those who had blood transfusions with tainted blood were diagnosed as well. Also, Prince actually spoke about being careful in the lyrics to one of his songs in the early 90's (can't remember the name, I'll have to look for it) where he says, "gotta see your papers first....okay you're clean" or something along those lines. I think he may have been more careful than most of us think - even back then...

Yes i hope so. There are so many diseases and infections out there. There is certainly a cost and risk in a promiscuous lifestyle. Sounded like his life was like Caligula..lol..sometimes I think that played into his JW conversion too...like living in that extreme...just it can have an effect on you spiritually, and that is no judgement on him either, I certainly was no angel either , but I see value in God's plan and am happier now and most at peace than I have EVER been in my life. Also it has been my understanding that HIV can take up to 6 months to show up in bloodwork. If that is the case "yo papers" mean nothing if someone just contracted the virus.

Yes, I'm guessing Prince knew about the 6 month time frame for a positive diagnosis, so I think he would have required a very recent test, or waited until she brought him results. Or, used protection with any "questionable" women before they brought him results. Was he ever careless? Probably, but may not have been any more careless than most at that time. I was in college during the late 80's, and I can tell you there was an abundance of unprotected sex happening, but I guess the odds of contracting are considerably less at that age....

He didn't have HIV or AIDS.