PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Jealousy

(noun)

envy, covetousness;

resentment, resentfulness, bitterness, spite;

informalthe green-eyed monster.

?Jealous? that you're wrong and demand apologies from others, but won't apologize yourself?


Why didn't you try to help him? You're part of circle...

What are you going to do? Go back and edit and erase all of your posts, like you used to? You make statements and can't stand behind them, so you erase them all, like none of us seen them.

Shoo Cat Shoo.

Ahhh..yes, Cat you are vindictive. You do seek revenge.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

?Jealous? that you're wrong and demand apologies from others, but won't apologize yourself?


Why didn't you try to help him? You're part of circle...

What are you going to do? Go back and edit and erase all of your posts, like you used to? You make statements and can't stand behind them, so you erase them all, like none of us seen them.

Shoo Cat Shoo.

Vindictive

(adjective)

having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.

"the criticism was both vindictive and personalized"

vengeful, revengeful, unforgiving, resentful, acrimonious, bitter;

spiteful, mean, rancorous, venomous, malicious, malevolent, nasty, mean-spirited, cruel, unkind;

informalcatty

"in her memoirs she revealed that ------ had been a vindictive ex-lover"

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Krystal - I do believe that Prince revealed much of his life -however cryptic - within his song lyrics. He was honest about his feelings on love, sex, relationships, politics, war, race, etc. and how those things applied to his personal life, which is a big part of why his music is so special. I think there are levels to the "dark" part of sexuality, and while I'm sure he did experience some things I doubt those situations were on the higher end of "dark" and/or unlawful. I think he craved the love and positive intimacy with sex more than the raunchy side; however, I'm sure he did battle with the temptations.

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Sorry you had some bad experiences, and hope you've been able to fully recover

Violetcrush, thank u for your kind concern and I appreciate your insight. I agree with you, my problem really isn't with who Prince was as a person , just kind of a revultion with human nature sometimes. Everything is all good now though, I am married to a good guy who loves my heart and soul and not just my looks so that has been a healing experience for me. I don't think I could have handled the reality of knowing what Prince's life was really like ten years ago, for my own reasons, at the time I needed to believe and have hope, it got me through tough times. Just to believe in what a man COULD be. Yes I think Prince's complexity is one of the most powerful and attractive things about him that drew so many of us to him. He explored the dark recesses of his mind and shared them. That takes tremendous courage. I will always have a love, respect and deep affection for him and his music. <3

....and being so in touch with his feminine side VALIDATED those emotions for women and enpowered them in their sexuality...would love to see a whole thread about how Prince's sexuality impacted both men and women and opened them up to the possibilities of broader and deeper emotions as a human being WITHOUT being constrained by gender norms.

I have never been one of those people who twinned song lyrics with my life. I am from the American Bandstand generation - if it has a good beat, I can dance to it. That being said, Prince was, IMO, more open than most songwriters about putting his heart and his life into his lyrics. I never doubted for a minute that he was telling the truth. That is why I think AOA is his goodbye to his fans and the world. He was looking at the end and letting it all go.

I can relate to your "need to believe" in something or someone, my heroes like Springsteen was a major one but I now think a big part of my own maturity realizing Bruce isn't what he puts out that he is and it's ok with me. He's still my hero but I don't need him to be the saint I once saw him as. The dissapointment I felt at one time was a very long time ago, but growing up meant realizing he was just a guy.

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Krystal - I do believe that Prince revealed much of his life -however cryptic - within his song lyrics. He was honest about his feelings on love, sex, relationships, politics, war, race, etc. and how those things applied to his personal life, which is a big part of why his music is so special. I think there are levels to the "dark" part of sexuality, and while I'm sure he did experience some things I doubt those situations were on the higher end of "dark" and/or unlawful. I think he craved the love and positive intimacy with sex more than the raunchy side; however, I'm sure he did battle with the temptations.

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Sorry you had some bad experiences, and hope you've been able to fully recover

Violetcrush, thank u for your kind concern and I appreciate your insight. I agree with you, my problem really isn't with who Prince was as a person , just kind of a revultion with human nature sometimes. Everything is all good now though, I am married to a good guy who loves my heart and soul and not just my looks so that has been a healing experience for me. I don't think I could have handled the reality of knowing what Prince's life was really like ten years ago, for my own reasons, at the time I needed to believe and have hope, it got me through tough times. Just to believe in what a man COULD be. Yes I think Prince's complexity is one of the most powerful and attractive things about him that drew so many of us to him. He explored the dark recesses of his mind and shared them. That takes tremendous courage. I will always have a love, respect and deep affection for him and his music. <3

PeteSilas said:

Well, if we want the material put out there - live shows, vault stuff, etc -SOMEONE is going to need to profit from it. I don't pretend to know who that should be - at all - but it's gotta be somebody. And I know this, death adn money bring out the worst in pretty much everybody. Prince doesn't care any more either.

Someone could gather up a bunch of shit and just put it out there for free I suppose.

herb4 said:

Stay on topic folks

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

I can relate to your "need to believe" in something or someone, my heroes like Springsteen was a major one but I now think a big part of my own maturity realizing Bruce isn't what he puts out that he is and it's ok with me. He's still my hero but I don't need him to be the saint I once saw him as. The dissapointment I felt at one time was a very long time ago, but growing up meant realizing he was just a guy.

Yes I think the shock will wear off for most of us. I don't really fault Prince for trying to keep all of this quiet. Even up until the end he was committed to his fans and wanted to give his all that is mind blowing to me he was able to do that without getting sloppy or lazy as you stated previously, with all he was going through.

that part makes zero sense, zero, so i still say (I don't care who it pisses off) that none of us has all the answers.

nelcp777 said:

herb4 said:

Well, if we want the material put out there - live shows, vault stuff, etc -SOMEONE is going to need to profit from it. I don't pretend to know who that should be - at all - but it's gotta be somebody. And I know this, death adn money bring out the worst in pretty much everybody. Prince doesn't care any more either.

Someone could gather up a bunch of shit and just put it out there for free I suppose.

It’s kinda a catch 22. I want more music. I don’t care who profits from it. I know that if fans stop buying, the river of music will dry up. Hope that makes sense.

I want Prince's music sang by Prince. Of course the Estate will profit from it, but I don't need or want anything the ASSociates are selling.

nelcp777 said:

herb4 said:

Well, if we want the material put out there - live shows, vault stuff, etc -SOMEONE is going to need to profit from it. I don't pretend to know who that should be - at all - but it's gotta be somebody. And I know this, death adn money bring out the worst in pretty much everybody. Prince doesn't care any more either.

Someone could gather up a bunch of shit and just put it out there for free I suppose.

It’s kinda a catch 22. I want more music. I don’t care who profits from it. I know that if fans stop buying, the river of music will dry up. Hope that makes sense.

Agreed. Someone always has to profit, but the most important thing is getting the music out. I do believe that Prince knew how this would play out. During his last interview with The View, when asked about all of the unreleased music in his Vault, he responded, "well, someone will release it. I don't know that I'll get to release it."

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Krystal - I do believe that Prince revealed much of his life -however cryptic - within his song lyrics. He was honest about his feelings on love, sex, relationships, politics, war, race, etc. and how those things applied to his personal life, which is a big part of why his music is so special. I think there are levels to the "dark" part of sexuality, and while I'm sure he did experience some things I doubt those situations were on the higher end of "dark" and/or unlawful. I think he craved the love and positive intimacy with sex more than the raunchy side; however, I'm sure he did battle with the temptations.

*

Sorry you had some bad experiences, and hope you've been able to fully recover

Violetcrush, thank u for your kind concern and I appreciate your insight. I agree with you, my problem really isn't with who Prince was as a person , just kind of a revultion with human nature sometimes. Everything is all good now though, I am married to a good guy who loves my heart and soul and not just my looks so that has been a healing experience for me. I don't think I could have handled the reality of knowing what Prince's life was really like ten years ago, for my own reasons, at the time I needed to believe and have hope, it got me through tough times. Just to believe in what a man COULD be. Yes I think Prince's complexity is one of the most powerful and attractive things about him that drew so many of us to him. He explored the dark recesses of his mind and shared them. That takes tremendous courage. I will always have a love, respect and deep affection for him and his music. <3

Since Anthony Bourdain died, CNN has been posting the suicide hotline number. Dave Navarro and numerous stars have spoken on suicide and they are giving the hotline number, urging people to get help.

My question is, why hasn't Prince's people done the same for the drug crisis? Why can't they provide where to get help, give the list of rehab centers and the phone numbers, why can't they speak out against the drug crisis? Just do something to save a life.

I think there's an incredible touchiness about associating Prince's name with opioid addiction and all the issues involved in that. There are still a chunk of fans who almost lose their minds when people mention "addiction" in the same sentence.

PennyPurple said:

Since Anthony Bourdain died, CNN has been posting the suicide hotline number. Dave Navarro and numerous stars have spoken on suicide and they are giving the hotline number, urging people to get help.

My question is, why hasn't Prince's people done the same for the drug crisis? Why can't they provide where to get help, give the list of rehab centers and the phone numbers, why can't they speak out against the drug crisis? Just do something to save a life.

PennyPurple said:

Since Anthony Bourdain died, CNN has been posting the suicide hotline number. Dave Navarro and numerous stars have spoken on suicide and they are giving the hotline number, urging people to get help.

My question is, why hasn't Prince's people done the same for the drug crisis? Why can't they provide where to get help, give the list of rehab centers and the phone numbers, why can't they speak out against the drug crisis? Just do something to save a life.

For all the reasons you've been writing about for a long time: ignorance, self-centerdness, never really cared about Prince except as a meal ticket, afraid such a public service campaign might leave them with $5 less than what they can otherwise scoop up, no imagination, no vision, no soul.

And I just scratched the surface.

disch said:

I think there's an incredible touchiness about associating Prince's name with opioid addiction and all the issues involved in that. There are still a chunk of fans who almost lose their minds when people mention "addiction" in the same sentence.

PennyPurple said:

Since Anthony Bourdain died, CNN has been posting the suicide hotline number. Dave Navarro and numerous stars have spoken on suicide and they are giving the hotline number, urging people to get help.

My question is, why hasn't Prince's people done the same for the drug crisis? Why can't they provide where to get help, give the list of rehab centers and the phone numbers, why can't they speak out against the drug crisis? Just do something to save a life.

I don't disagree but this was a once-in-a-generation break out moment where the stars aligned because of how loved Prince was/is world-wide...they should have just bitten-the-bullet and done the right thing...for a change, or a start.

I think that's incredibly unrealistic. Who in Prince's orbit could you picture doing this work around addiction issues? His family? His former bandmates?

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Bourdain definitely committed suicide; that was determined. While Prince definitely ODed, whether or not he was "addicted" still causes an intense, stigma-driven reaction in many fans. I don't agree with that, but I cannot see his family or friends trying to draw attention to addiction using Prince as an example without opening them to the sort of vicious attacks that we know would come their way.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I think there's an incredible touchiness about associating Prince's name with opioid addiction and all the issues involved in that. There are still a chunk of fans who almost lose their minds when people mention "addiction" in the same sentence.

I don't disagree but this was a once-in-a-generation break out moment where the stars aligned because of how loved Prince was/is world-wide...they should have just bitten-the-bullet and done the right thing...for a change, or a start.

If they would've come out from the very start, like Tom Petty's family did and nip the past 2 years of nothing but rumors in the bud, it would've made all the difference. Make a statement, give rehab places for each area of the country put it on all the Prince facebook pages, etc. Show somebody they care about the drug crisis. For goodness sakes, Chaka went and got help, Tyka went and got help. We know there is a crisis in this country. Speak out against it, maybe it will help at least 1 person.

I just don't get it. If they cared what us fans thought, then they would've listened to us about the music we want, instead we get him banging on a piano with a cold.

disch said:

I think that's incredibly unrealistic. Who in Prince's orbit could you picture doing this work around addiction issues? His family? His former bandmates?

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Bourdain definitely committed suicide; that was determined. While Prince definitely ODed, whether or not he was "addicted" still causes an intense, stigma-driven reaction in many fans. I don't agree with that, but I cannot see his family or friends trying to draw attention to addiction using Prince as an example without opening them to the sort of vicious attacks that we know would come their way.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I don't disagree but this was a once-in-a-generation break out moment where the stars aligned because of how loved Prince was/is world-wide...they should have just bitten-the-bullet and done the right thing...for a change, or a start.

I'm not totally convinced that Bourdain was a suicide, I've heard nothing about a note, it could have been a sexual thing like David Carradine.

I know it's unrealistic that they would even consider it. But maybe if they did it would help someone. They could say something like, we want you to be a Prince fan for a looong time, if you need help please reach out to these rehab centers.

But alas, it will never happen.

Which specific sibing do you picture taking on the topic of Prince's drug addiction publicly? He barely had relationships with these peopel (even Tyka was minimal); how can they speak to the role addiciton played in his life? they have no insight into that. Tom Petty actually had a fairly tight relationship with the close family members who spoke about his death (as far as I can tell) -- and to be honest, I'm not sure they shared the whole story about what Petty was struggling with.

PennyPurple said:

If they would've come out from the very start, like Tom Petty's family did and nip the past 2 years of nothing but rumors in the bud, it would've made all the difference. Make a statement, give rehab places for each area of the country put it on all the Prince facebook pages, etc. Show somebody they care about the drug crisis. For goodness sakes, Chaka went and got help, Tyka went and got help. We know there is a crisis in this country. Speak out against it, maybe it will help at least 1 person.

I just don't get it. If they cared what us fans thought, then they would've listened to us about the music we want, instead we get him banging on a piano with a cold.

disch said:

Which specific sibing do you picture taking on the topic of Prince's drug addiction publicly? He barely had relationships with these peopel (even Tyka was minimal); how can they speak to the role addiciton played in his life? they have no insight into that. Tom Petty actually had a fairly tight relationship with the close family members who spoke about his death (as far as I can tell) -- and to be honest, I'm not sure they shared the whole story about what Petty was struggling with.

PennyPurple said:

If they would've come out from the very start, like Tom Petty's family did and nip the past 2 years of nothing but rumors in the bud, it would've made all the difference. Make a statement, give rehab places for each area of the country put it on all the Prince facebook pages, etc. Show somebody they care about the drug crisis. For goodness sakes, Chaka went and got help, Tyka went and got help. We know there is a crisis in this country. Speak out against it, maybe it will help at least 1 person.

I just don't get it. If they cared what us fans thought, then they would've listened to us about the music we want, instead we get him banging on a piano with a cold.

I know, it's just a pipe dream where his family is concerned. They didn't care when he was alive, they don't care now.

I wasn't here on the Org when he died, did the Org publish numbers you could call for help? Maybe if there was a sticky on the Org, of rehab centers people could reach out to, Or even on the Orgs facebook page. Even all the Prince facebook pages could post something.

Oh well, it's just a thought and seeing CNN and other people posting the suicide hotline just got me to thinking.

PennyPurple said:

If they would've come out from the very start, like Tom Petty's family did and nip the past 2 years of nothing but rumors in the bud, it would've made all the difference. Make a statement, give rehab places for each area of the country put it on all the Prince facebook pages, etc. Show somebody they care about the drug crisis. For goodness sakes, Chaka went and got help, Tyka went and got help. We know there is a crisis in this country. Speak out against it, maybe it will help at least 1 person.

I just don't get it. If they cared what us fans thought, then they would've listened to us about the music we want, instead we get him banging on a piano with a cold.

co-sign...

disch said:

I think that's incredibly unrealistic. Who in Prince's orbit could you picture doing this work around addiction issues? His family? His former bandmates?

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Bourdain definitely committed suicide; that was determined. While Prince definitely ODed, whether or not he was "addicted" still causes an intense, stigma-driven reaction in many fans. I don't agree with that, but I cannot see his family or friends trying to draw attention to addiction using Prince as an example without opening them to the sort of vicious attacks that we know would come their way.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I don't disagree but this was a once-in-a-generation break out moment where the stars aligned because of how loved Prince was/is world-wide...they should have just bitten-the-bullet and done the right thing...for a change, or a start.

They could have hired a kick-ass ad agency (like the one that did that mind-blowing LRC ad/poster for Chevy right after he passed) with just a tiny, dignified line of type at the bottom 'sponsored by the PRN Foundation or PP...in memory of Prince Rogers Nelson)...the 'family wouldn't have had to do a thing except stay out of the way of the professionals (not easy, I concede)...but it could have happened and it would have been monumental and brave and BOLD and very Prince-like IMO.

really? prince-like to publicly connect his name to a "weakness" and "failure" like addiction? Because he was so prone to speak openly about his personal struggles instead of hiding behind "privacy" (and demanding his associates do the same)?

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Honestly I've never heard of one celeb who died of an OD (and there have been a few, even more recently) whose family did that. Probably because they don't want the person's name to be associated with drugs rather than with all the accomplishments of their career etc. Not agreeing with it, just being reality-based.

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And in prince's case you have a fan base who is quick to lash out for any perceived transgressions by people close to Prince (see: this thread). Why would they put themselves on the line on a controversial topic like this when they know they would subject themselves to all manner of attacks?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I think that's incredibly unrealistic. Who in Prince's orbit could you picture doing this work around addiction issues? His family? His former bandmates?

-

Bourdain definitely committed suicide; that was determined. While Prince definitely ODed, whether or not he was "addicted" still causes an intense, stigma-driven reaction in many fans. I don't agree with that, but I cannot see his family or friends trying to draw attention to addiction using Prince as an example without opening them to the sort of vicious attacks that we know would come their way.

They could have hired a kick-ass ad agency (like the one that did that mind-blowing LRC ad/poster for Chevy right after he passed) with just a tiny, dignified line of type at the bottom 'sponsored by the PRN Foundation or PP...in memory of Prince Rogers Nelson)...the 'family wouldn't have had to do a thing except stay out of the way of the professionals (not easy, I concede)...but it could have happened and it would have been monumental and brave and BOLD and very Prince-like IMO.

PennyPurple said:

Since Anthony Bourdain died, CNN has been posting the suicide hotline number. Dave Navarro and numerous stars have spoken on suicide and they are giving the hotline number, urging people to get help.

My question is, why hasn't Prince's people done the same for the drug crisis? Why can't they provide where to get help, give the list of rehab centers and the phone numbers, why can't they speak out against the drug crisis? Just do something to save a life.

disch said:

really? prince-like to publicly connect his name to a "weakness" and "failure" like addiction? Because he was so prone to speak openly about his personal struggles instead of hiding behind "privacy" (and demanding his associates do the same)?

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Honestly I've never heard of one celeb who died of an OD (and there have been a few, even more recently) whose family did that. Probably because they don't want the person's name to be associated with drugs rather than with all the accomplishments of their career etc. Not agreeing with it, just being reality-based.

-

And in prince's case you have a fan base who is quick to lash out for any perceived transgressions by people close to Prince (see: this thread). Why would they put themselves on the line on a controversial topic like this when they know they would subject themselves to all manner of attacks?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

They could have hired a kick-ass ad agency (like the one that did that mind-blowing LRC ad/poster for Chevy right after he passed) with just a tiny, dignified line of type at the bottom 'sponsored by the PRN Foundation or PP...in memory of Prince Rogers Nelson)...the 'family wouldn't have had to do a thing except stay out of the way of the professionals (not easy, I concede)...but it could have happened and it would have been monumental and brave and BOLD and very Prince-like IMO.

YOU'RE RIGHT.I'M BACKING OFF MY POSITION. I WAS HAVING A 'MOMENT.'

Bodhitheblackdog said:

They could have hired a kick-ass ad agency (like the one that did that mind-blowing LRC ad/poster for Chevy right after he passed) with just a tiny, dignified line of type at the bottom 'sponsored by the PRN Foundation or PP...in memory of Prince Rogers Nelson)...the 'family wouldn't have had to do a thing except stay out of the way of the professionals (not easy, I concede)...but it could have happened and it would have been monumental and brave and BOLD and very Prince-like IMO.

That was really a kick ass ad. I even had it printed off, and have it hanging up in my office. That ad spoke for itself, they didn't even need to reference Prince.

So much opportunity has been lost. It's a shame.

disch said:

really? prince-like to publicly connect his name to a "weakness" and "failure" like addiction? Because he was so prone to speak openly about his personal struggles instead of hiding behind "privacy" (and demanding his associates do the same)?

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Honestly I've never heard of one celeb who died of an OD (and there have been a few, even more recently) whose family did that. Probably because they don't want the person's name to be associated with drugs rather than with all the accomplishments of their career etc. Not agreeing with it, just being reality-based.

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And in prince's case you have a fan base who is quick to lash out for any perceived transgressions by people close to Prince (see: this thread). Why would they put themselves on the line on a controversial topic like this when they know they would subject themselves to all manner of attacks?

Tom Petty's family did.

On the day he died he was informed his hip had graduated to a full on break and it is our feeling that the pain was simply unbearable and was the cause for his over use of medication.

We knew before the report was shared with us that he was prescribed various pain medications for a multitude of issues including Fentanyl patches and we feel confident that this was, as the coroner found, an unfortunate accident.

As a family we recognize this report may spark a further discussion on the opioid crisis and we feel that it is a healthy and necessary discussion and we hope in some way this report can save lives. Many people who overdose begin with a legitimate injury or simply do not understand the potency and deadly nature of these medications.