violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

Hey, how many women can honestly say they wouldn't have been on board for the "scandalous sex suite" with Prince??!! Not many. Don't think I myself would have had too many reservations about it. I was totally his type back then!! Too bad I wasn't into the stalker/groupie behavior

Heck yeah!!! I was totally in lust with my Prince back in the day. Don't know about having it filmed though.

No problem with that, as long as I had the only copy

violetcrush said:

Krystalkisses said:

violetcrush said:

No problem with that, as long as I had the only copy

I'm sure a lot of the girls were flattered at the thought of him enjoying it later privately and so they agreed 😄 But what if some of those women are now married, have vanilla careers, are moms now??? I'm sure a lot of them out there!

Well, per "Insatiable", he did say he would erase the "naughty bits" Of course, that effort may have only been reserved for the special ones

violetcrush said:

DD55 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

MMJas said:

I can't believe no conspiracy theorist has come out and said this was a plot to make sure wordwould reach all Prince female associates and girlfriends at the same time, as as warning to keep their mouths shut with regards to anything they might know and are thinking of divulging about him...

Ya know stranger things have happened.

fortuneandserendipity said:

It's amazing just how super-clairvoyant Dr D has proven to be with his 'predictions' of Prince's fentanyl and hydromorphone use. But lemme guess, the deniers/naysayers will keep pushing any theory that distracts from the truth. Including bogus theories such as...

Shots fired at Paisley Park, heard on April 21. Actually they were FILM shots - as in 'ready to shoot' - going back years

Pancreatic cancer

Leukaemia

Murdered by Judith Hill (or someone at Warners with a grudge)

AIDS

Death by seizure, and surprisingly never given correct medication

Death by carrier pigeon (ok i'm making this one up BUT THOSE DODGY PILLS had to have reached him somehow)

All of which amounts to JACK. SHIT.

And yet most everyone is not prepared to even contemplate the veracity of DR D's account of his drug use (which even i was hugely sceptical about on first reading).

What about liver damage? I'm willing to entertain that possibility and he had several of the symptoms. It's a well known side of effect from long term opiod usage too.

rednblue said:

PeteSilas said:

i believe addiction is universal, i never touched drugs or alcohol, i hate even taking prescriptions but my thoughts are obsessive, angry, also sex is an addiction, maybe the worst as far as creating problems for a lot of men (myself included) but.., my personal belief is that money and power are the biggest addictions in this country, how many idiots running around in petty positions acting like they are king of the world? A lot of them, more of them than all the drug addicts combined.

Thanks for all of your thoughts, Pete! As for money and power, Prince seemed to do some painful wrestling with these issues as well. NOT that he was power or money hungry. Just that he'd experienced poverty and abuse. It seems these experiences always stay with a person.

P sure did have some great songs that could remind himself, and all of us, that power and money are not keys to happiness. The music is such a gift, in countless ways. Every day brings me many reminders.

Disagree there. He seemed quite interested in money and, if not "power", certainly "control"

herb4 said:

rednblue said:

Thanks for all of your thoughts, Pete! As for money and power, Prince seemed to do some painful wrestling with these issues as well. NOT that he was power or money hungry. Just that he'd experienced poverty and abuse. It seems these experiences always stay with a person.

P sure did have some great songs that could remind himself, and all of us, that power and money are not keys to happiness. The music is such a gift, in countless ways. Every day brings me many reminders.

Disagree there. He seemed quite interested in money and, if not "power", certainly "control"

He was not interested in money the way some obsess about it in a very materialistic way. Yes, he no doubt enjoyed no longer being poor, and also the perks and some of the material things money can buy, but many of his associates have said that money was not his driving factor. It was always the music, and staying competitive as a performer, which is why he spent so much of the money on PP and making it a state of the art facility for himself and others to record there.

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Alan Leeds and other Managers have said they would talk to him about the money he was losing during the LoveSexy tour. He didn't care. He wanted the show a certain way, and he wanted the experience for the fans.

*

The need for control was always there from the beginning - both in his professional and personal life.

[Edited 6/9/18 10:46am]

Not for nothing, but people who say "why didn't someone HELP him?" and "why was he left ALONE?"..."I would have done THIS...x, y, z."

Can flip right off.

Two things real quick:

- Prince did what Prince wanted. It was part of what made him Prince. And his subordinates did what they were told or else they were out.

- "Helping" an addict (or even, say, someone who is bipolar or depressed) is tremendously difficult and, most times, impossible. I speak from experience. Not saying Prince had a mental illness but addiction is a disease of the mind. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can "cure" or even really "help" an addict unless that person wants the help.

Lastly, Jesus Christ, some of the junk I read posted here about his ex wives and girlfriends is ghoulish, jealous and weird. None of you fucking knw the nature of thier relationship or the amount of mutual ove that went into it. Get over your damned selves.

violetcrush said:

herb4 said:

Disagree there. He seemed quite interested in money and, if not "power", certainly "control"

He was not interested in money the way some obsess about it in a very materialistic way.

[Edited 6/9/18 10:46am]

Respectfully disagree.

His clothes, his cars, his posh lifestyle, his obsession with getting paid and the war with the labels. He seemed to care about money a great deal to me. At the time of the name change or thereabouts, the whole god damned thing seemed to be about money.

And don't get me wrong, I don't fault him for it. He deserved all he could get and more power to him but to say he wasn't money driven strikes me as somewhat naive and a bit of a broad mischaracterization.

herb4 said:

violetcrush said:

He was not interested in money the way some obsess about it in a very materialistic way.

[Edited 6/9/18 10:46am]

Respectfully disagree.

His clothes, his cars, his posh lifestyle, his obsession with getting paid and the war with the labels. He seemed to care about money a great deal to me. At the time of the name change or thereabouts, the whole god damned thing seemed to be about money.

And don't get me wrong, I don't fault him for it. He deserved all he could get and more power to him but to say he wasn't money driven strikes me as somewhat naive and a bit of a broad mischaracterization.

I hear what you're saying, but I think his main motivation for wanting to keep the income was so that he could continue to run PP and put out music. The $100 million deal thing in the earlyl 90's was more about competition with Madonna and a few others who had just signed huge record deals. He wanted a bigger headline than them. The clothes and the cars were nothing eccentric or extravagant compared to the other big musicians during that time in my opinion - based on the mega millions he had made.

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I think the fighting with the record company was, at first, more tied to his record sales declining, and him blaming them for not releasing and/or marketing the music the way he thought it should be done, which some say translates to "my records aren't selling, but it's your fault, not mine". Then, it became more about Prince owning his master recordings, which I actually agree with completely.

herb4 said:

violetcrush said:

He was not interested in money the way some obsess about it in a very materialistic way.

[Edited 6/9/18 10:46am]

Respectfully disagree.

His clothes, his cars, his posh lifestyle, his obsession with getting paid and the war with the labels. He seemed to care about money a great deal to me. At the time of the name change or thereabouts, the whole god damned thing seemed to be about money.

And don't get me wrong, I don't fault him for it. He deserved all he could get and more power to him but to say he wasn't money driven strikes me as somewhat naive and a bit of a broad mischaracterization.

as with anything with P, there are contradictions. Prince eschewed commercial followups, post Purple Rain when he could have cleaned up. In those years he really seemed to mean it when he said "I wouldn't mind if I went broke". However, the Slave years seemed to change him in that regard and maybe it was because he couldn't afford to ignore money or maybe it was just plain greed, either way it seemed to change him and all he seemed to talk about in business interviews is all the shenanigans (but let's face it, he was right with most of what he said) that go into a music career and an artist like him. My favorite stories however are always the stories of the guy who gave away money to strangers to help them with problems, to silently help old associates with medical issues or even musical legends like, who was it? the james brown sideman who had some health problems? to me that says a lot about his priorities and how necessary it was for him to be "a businessman" as he once called what he did after his failed debut album which he followed up with the commercial Prince.

PeteSilas said:

herb4 said:

Respectfully disagree.

His clothes, his cars, his posh lifestyle, his obsession with getting paid and the war with the labels. He seemed to care about money a great deal to me. At the time of the name change or thereabouts, the whole god damned thing seemed to be about money.

And don't get me wrong, I don't fault him for it. He deserved all he could get and more power to him but to say he wasn't money driven strikes me as somewhat naive and a bit of a broad mischaracterization.

as with anything with P, there are contradictions. Prince eschewed commercial followups, post Purple Rain when he could have cleaned up. In those years he really seemed to mean it when he said "I wouldn't mind if I went broke". However, the Slave years seemed to change him in that regard and maybe it was because he couldn't afford to ignore money or maybe it was just plain greed, either way it seemed to change him and all he seemed to talk about in business interviews is all the shenanigans (but let's face it, he was right with most of what he said) that go into a music career and an artist like him. My favorite stories however are always the stories of the guy who gave away money to strangers to help them with problems, to silently help old associates with medical issues or even musical legends like, who was it? the james brown sideman who had some health problems? to me that says a lot about his priorities and how necessary it was for him to be "a businessman" as he once called what he did after his failed debut album which he followed up with the commercial Prince.

It is very difficult to reconcile "altruism" with those who are rich, but he did help. The word itself may be a misnomer. It is rare that people do anything to help while not expecting something in return...even if it's non tangible.

Being homeless at one point in life, and then dabbling deep into the material world (once you struck it rich), is usually a better yard stick to gauge ones understanding of how a person may view and use money.

people have said those kinds of things when I mention how much Elvis gave away, as in "it didn't mean anything to him he had so much money" thing is, you don't have to give shit, people criticized Nicki Minaj for giving to some kind of educational fund and i thought it was ridiculous because you don't have to give shit. So, ya, Nicki might be a devil worshipping, sex peddling or whatever else but god bless her for that. People are always going to say something I tell you.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

as with anything with P, there are contradictions. Prince eschewed commercial followups, post Purple Rain when he could have cleaned up. In those years he really seemed to mean it when he said "I wouldn't mind if I went broke". However, the Slave years seemed to change him in that regard and maybe it was because he couldn't afford to ignore money or maybe it was just plain greed, either way it seemed to change him and all he seemed to talk about in business interviews is all the shenanigans (but let's face it, he was right with most of what he said) that go into a music career and an artist like him. My favorite stories however are always the stories of the guy who gave away money to strangers to help them with problems, to silently help old associates with medical issues or even musical legends like, who was it? the james brown sideman who had some health problems? to me that says a lot about his priorities and how necessary it was for him to be "a businessman" as he once called what he did after his failed debut album which he followed up with the commercial Prince.

It is very difficult to reconcile "altruism" with those who are rich, but he did help. The word itself may be a misnomer. It is rare that people do anything to help while not expecting something in return...even if it's non tangible.

Being homeless at one point in life, and then dabbling deep into the material world (once you struck it rich), is usually a better yard stick to gauge ones understanding of how a person may view and use money.

PeteSilas said:

people have said those kinds of things when I mention how much Elvis gave away, as in "it didn't mean anything to him he had so much money" thing is, you don't have to give shit, people criticized Nicki Minaj for giving to some kind of educational fund and i thought it was ridiculous because you don't have to give shit. So, ya, Nicki might be a devil worshipping, sex peddling or whatever else but god bless her for that. People are always going to say something I tell you.

Menes said:

It is very difficult to reconcile "altruism" with those who are rich, but he did help. The word itself may be a misnomer. It is rare that people do anything to help while not expecting something in return...even if it's non tangible.

Being homeless at one point in life, and then dabbling deep into the material world (once you struck it rich), is usually a better yard stick to gauge ones understanding of how a person may view and use money.

I have no idea what you were trying to convey as it relates to altruism... um , how is laura?

PeteSilas said:

herb4 said:

Respectfully disagree.

His clothes, his cars, his posh lifestyle, his obsession with getting paid and the war with the labels. He seemed to care about money a great deal to me. At the time of the name change or thereabouts, the whole god damned thing seemed to be about money.

And don't get me wrong, I don't fault him for it. He deserved all he could get and more power to him but to say he wasn't money driven strikes me as somewhat naive and a bit of a broad mischaracterization.

as with anything with P, there are contradictions. Prince eschewed commercial followups, post Purple Rain when he could have cleaned up. In those years he really seemed to mean it when he said "I wouldn't mind if I went broke". However, the Slave years seemed to change him in that regard and maybe it was because he couldn't afford to ignore money or maybe it was just plain greed, either way it seemed to change him and all he seemed to talk about in business interviews is all the shenanigans (but let's face it, he was right with most of what he said) that go into a music career and an artist like him. My favorite stories however are always the stories of the guy who gave away money to strangers to help them with problems, to silently help old associates with medical issues or even musical legends like, who was it? the james brown sideman who had some health problems? to me that says a lot about his priorities and how necessary it was for him to be "a businessman" as he once called what he did after his failed debut album which he followed up with the commercial Prince.

I agree. I'm sure he gave away much more than has been publicized - either to past associates, friends, family, or charity. Steve Parke wrote in his book, that keeping his staff employed also weighed heavily on him. I can only imagine the stress and anxiety he had during the 90's when he was trying to do it all himself. He knew he needed cash flow in order to keep his music going the way he wanted to, and also to keep afloat what he had built.

herb4 said:

Not for nothing, but people who say "why didn't someone HELP him?" and "why was he left ALONE?"..."I would have done THIS...x, y, z."

Can flip right off.

Two things real quick:

- Prince did what Prince wanted. It was part of what made him Prince. And his subordinates did what they were told or else they were out.

- "Helping" an addict (or even, say, someone who is bipolar or depressed) is tremendously difficult and, most times, impossible. I speak from experience. Not saying Prince had a mental illness but addiction is a disease of the mind. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can "cure" or even really "help" an addict unless that person wants the help.

Lastly, Jesus Christ, some of the junk I read posted here about his ex wives and girlfriends is ghoulish, jealous and weird. None of you fucking knw the nature of thier relationship or the amount of mutual ove that went into it. Get over your damned selves.

Agreed, on all points.....

1Sasha said:

Camila said:

1. Yes, “girlfriends“ by THEIR claims only. Most of these publicly vocal women (and some men too) making claims of their “close relationships” (remarkably the occasional celebrity included) are WAY over-exaggerating at best. Some are downright lying and they know well who they are. 2. He was alone at that last moment by his choice. He chose. And not because good people who loved him weren’t there for him. They WERE there for him. Sometimes all the love and caring in the world just isn’t enough. 3. He was understandably careful when it came to who he could trust and who he could not. He surrounded himself with those few he trusted as was evidenced by the people who have been documented in the investigation report as actually being real constants in his current life, not by the FLIES that quickly arrived after his passing - flies that he had chased out long ago who are now back attempting to DRIVE/ride that gravy train. 4. He understood how his fame changed and affected the people around him. Most people weren’t big enough to handle it. The few that treated him like a regular person, he loved and valued. And he knew they loved and valued him right back. He had a great AND JOYFUL life, in the end a life of his choosing. 5. Much in this aftermath is a product of cheap, small people who could not handle HIS fame when he was alive, who are now clearly proving by their bloodsucking, spotlight-seeking actions and overboard public social media posts that they were never capable of being either a true peer or a loved one in his life - weak, pedestrian people who would have never DARED to behave this way when he was alive. He controlled what he could (and quite well), while he was here. The unfortunate behaviors we are witnessing in the vacuum of his absence aren’t a reflection on him (for the most part), they’re a reflection on the people who all along just wanted a piece of his fame, people who will assuredly never achieve greatness, even with the help of his epic coattails, because honestly, they possess neither greatness nor basic goodness.

Thank you! Everything you've said here resonates truthfully.Thank you for your succinct commentary, and especially for the sentence I bolded. I hope others see it for what it is.

[Edited 6/9/18 18:07pm]

Camila said:

1. Yes, “girlfriends“ by THEIR claims only. Most of these publicly vocal women (and some men too) making claims of their “close relationships” (remarkably the occasional celebrity included) are WAY over-exaggerating at best. Some are downright lying and they know well who they are. 2. He was alone at that last moment by his choice. He chose. And not because good people who loved him weren’t there for him. They WERE there for him. Sometimes all the love and caring in the world just isn’t enough. 3. He was understandably careful when it came to who he could trust and who he could not. He surrounded himself with those few he trusted as was evidenced by the people who have been documented in the investigation report as actually being real constants in his current life, not by the FLIES that quickly arrived after his passing - flies that he had chased out long ago who are now back attempting to DRIVE/ride that gravy train. 4. He understood how his fame changed and affected the people around him. Most people weren’t big enough to handle it. The few that treated him like a regular person, he loved and valued. And he knew they loved and valued him right back. He had a great AND JOYFUL life, in the end a life of his choosing. 5. Much in this aftermath is a product of cheap, small people who could not handle HIS fame when he was alive, who are now clearly proving by their bloodsucking, spotlight-seeking actions and overboard public social media posts that they were never capable of being either a true peer or a loved one in his life - weak, pedestrian people who would have never DARED to behave this way when he was alive. He controlled what he could (and quite well), while he was here. The unfortunate behaviors we are witnessing in the vacuum of his absence aren’t a reflection on him (for the most part), they’re a reflection on the people who all along just wanted a piece of his fame, people who will assuredly never achieve greatness, even with the help of his epic coattails, because honestly, they possess neither greatness nor basic goodness.

I think I love you.

Menes said:

PeteSilas said:

people have said those kinds of things when I mention how much Elvis gave away, as in "it didn't mean anything to him he had so much money" thing is, you don't have to give shit, people criticized Nicki Minaj for giving to some kind of educational fund and i thought it was ridiculous because you don't have to give shit. So, ya, Nicki might be a devil worshipping, sex peddling or whatever else but god bless her for that. People are always going to say something I tell you.

I have no idea what you were trying to convey as it relates to altruism... um , how is laura?

OMG Menes, you made me pee in my pants again...

Camila said:

1Sasha said:

When this man died, he had more widows and girlfriends than anyone I have ever "known." And he still died alone, with nearly everyone he knew at one point or another climbing aboard the post-mortem gravy train. It is still, two years on, a very sad situation for someone who brought such joy to the world.

1. Yes, “girlfriends“ by THEIR claims only. Most of these publicly vocal women (and some men too) making claims of their “close relationships” (remarkably the occasional celebrity included) are WAY over-exaggerating at best. Some are downright lying and they know well who they are. 2. He was alone at that last moment by his choice. He chose. And not because good people who loved him weren’t there for him. They WERE there for him. Sometimes all the love and caring in the world just isn’t enough. 3. He was understandably careful when it came to who he could trust and who he could not. He surrounded himself with those few he trusted as was evidenced by the people who have been documented in the investigation report as actually being real constants in his current life, not by the FLIES that quickly arrived after his passing - flies that he had chased out long ago who are now back attempting to DRIVE/ride that gravy train. 4. He understood how his fame changed and affected the people around him. Most people weren’t big enough to handle it. The few that treated him like a regular person, he loved and valued. And he knew they loved and valued him right back. He had a great AND JOYFUL life, in the end a life of his choosing. 5. Much in this aftermath is a product of cheap, small people who could not handle HIS fame when he was alive, who are now clearly proving by their bloodsucking, spotlight-seeking actions and overboard public social media posts that they were never capable of being either a true peer or a loved one in his life - weak, pedestrian people who would have never DARED to behave this way when he was alive. He controlled what he could (and quite well), while he was here. The unfortunate behaviors we are witnessing in the vacuum of his absence aren’t a reflection on him (for the most part), they’re a reflection on the people who all along just wanted a piece of his fame, people who will assuredly never achieve greatness, even with the help of his epic coattails, because honestly, they possess neither greatness nor basic goodness.

Camila: welcome, blessings and thanks...your voice of reason is desperately needed here. I also appreciate your eloquence and your clear and comprehensive overview...it's apparent that you have chosen your words carefully to reflect an anguish you have been struggling with.Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OMG Menes, you made me pee in my pants again...

...AGAIN??......

Camila said:

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

OMG Menes, you made me pee in my pants again...

...AGAIN??......

clean up on isle 4!

BTW, Penny, did the reports say if any of the other oxycodone pills (385) were tested and came back positive for fentanyl in them?

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

...AGAIN??......

clean up on isle 4!

BTW, Penny, did the reports say if any of the other oxycodone pills (385) were tested and came back positive for fentanyl in them?

I will have to go back and look.

I'm seeing the 853's but not the 385 (yet)

[Edited 6/9/18 21:32pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I have no idea what you were trying to convey as it relates to altruism... um , how is laura?

OMG Menes, you made me pee in my pants again...

get some depends. as for you menes, i think it was clear what i was saying. some people like to shit on anything someone else says or does, some people are just hypercritical. as was that lady I mentioned, i said elvis gave away cars and did a lot of good things, aside from that that no one really ever heard about, she said "when you have that much money it's nothing" like that diminishes what he did. It doesn't because as I said, he didn't have to do shit and neither did Prince or whoever else gives.

Camila said:

1Sasha said:

When this man died, he had more widows and girlfriends than anyone I have ever "known." And he still died alone, with nearly everyone he knew at one point or another climbing aboard the post-mortem gravy train. It is still, two years on, a very sad situation for someone who brought such joy to the world.

1. Yes, “girlfriends“ by THEIR claims only. Most of these publicly vocal women (and some men too) making claims of their “close relationships” (remarkably the occasional celebrity included) are WAY over-exaggerating at best. Some are downright lying and they know well who they are. 2. He was alone at that last moment by his choice. He chose. And not because good people who loved him weren’t there for him. They WERE there for him. Sometimes all the love and caring in the world just isn’t enough. 3. He was understandably careful when it came to who he could trust and who he could not. He surrounded himself with those few he trusted as was evidenced by the people who have been documented in the investigation report as actually being real constants in his current life, not by the FLIES that quickly arrived after his passing - flies that he had chased out long ago who are now back attempting to DRIVE/ride that gravy train. 4. He understood how his fame changed and affected the people around him. Most people weren’t big enough to handle it. The few that treated him like a regular person, he loved and valued. And he knew they loved and valued him right back. He had a great AND JOYFUL life, in the end a life of his choosing. 5. Much in this aftermath is a product of cheap, small people who could not handle HIS fame when he was alive, who are now clearly proving by their bloodsucking, spotlight-seeking actions and overboard public social media posts that they were never capable of being either a true peer or a loved one in his life - weak, pedestrian people who would have never DARED to behave this way when he was alive. He controlled what he could (and quite well), while he was here. The unfortunate behaviors we are witnessing in the vacuum of his absence aren’t a reflection on him (for the most part), they’re a reflection on the people who all along just wanted a piece of his fame, people who will assuredly never achieve greatness, even with the help of his epic coattails, because honestly, they possess neither greatness nor basic goodness.

Bam...well said

SOunds about right to me...