all i can do is speak for myself, it doesn't motivate me and why should it? the desire to excel should be enough to motivate you, all lusting after money does is make you a weak pawn for whoever can pay you, usually some company owner of some kind. I've seen people totally changed by it and I've also seen how money/capitalism tears us all apart and keeps us at each others throats, i've never been like that, i never liked it in myself when i felt jealousy, i never liked it when I felt compelled to push somebody down to make myself appear better. And most of all, the folks i've known, as i've said, who had the most are definitely the unhappiest, by far, i can't even be around them they are so uptight, stressed out, angry and that's not to get into addiction issues which they have too. It all makes me sick to my stomach, literally. we could go into a long debate about it but i'll just say this, whenever some asshole in my life was putting oppurtunity vs. my soul/integrity, i always made the conscious choice to just leave. People are so impressed by bullshit, buy bullshit to impress who? No one who even cares about you and the people who have all those things, even when they do, they don't tell you how they got them, I know a "successful" dentist who sold a lot of drugs for a lot of money, maybe that's how he got his offices started, point is, you don't see anything but the surface and nothing that goes on underneath unless they slip. Just look at cosby, created himself in the image of the white man, made himself some sort of black ideal and look at who he really was all along, the shit means nothing, nada.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

those things aren't, i isolate myself because of it because honestly they all turn my stomach. It's a seductive thing, I have an east indian friend, when he first got here, he took the bus, he worked all the time at a demeaning job, never talked about money or material things, then.., i taught him to drive, he spent 50 thousand on two cars, now he wants a house (the so called american dream) I've been trying to tell him that that isn't the way to go but it's too late. His son now is always showing me cars on his iphone, so that's how it happens, its' seductive, just like a drug, people who start out one way end up another. Do I care? Not really, I don't have a problem with envy or jealousy but I also don't get impressed by those things. I can honestly say, i've been around all strata of this society and the most miserable have definitely, definitely been the ones with nicest houses, the money etc.., I've had friends abandon me because I don't care about all that, but that's ok with me, or it'll have to be. If i have a dream, it would only be to have facilities like Prince did on a much, much smaller scale to work on my craft. Anything would be for vanity.

I don't agree at all. I think material success can be a great motivator and demonstration to others you are funxtional/capable or talented. Sometimes it is an outward result of inner qualities. And sometimes it isn't. Sometimes materialism is used to fool people in thinking you are a better person than you are or a more valuable person. Prince should be Damn proud of how financially successful he was. He also chose to help others AND help his community and young people. He used his wealth for good. I think wealth and material possessions only make you unhappy when you don't like how you received it, are using it as a distraction or trying to artificially enhance your ego. Not saying Prince never fell prey to this, but he was no dummy , intellectually I'm sure he knew it wouldn't feed his soul.

Krystalkisses said:

206Michelle said:

I wonder if Prince tried to hide his painkiller addiction because he worried that his fans and others might stop loving him (abandon him) if they knew of his painkiller use. I suspect that because of Prince’s insecure relationships with his parents, he was always searching for unconditional love, and ended up sabotaging his relationships with his girlfriends or wives.

You are smart Michelle.

could be, but I think it was more a control thing, controlling what people know about him like he always did so they couldn't hurt him with what they know. I was like that when i was young, so i understood him and it's one of the things that drew me too him, but i grew out of that, I think he should have too but that life stunts personal growth in so many ways, stars are actually pretty retarded in ways that most of us aren't.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

206Michelle said:

Krystalkisses said:

Oh wow I guess that could be interpreted as about Manuela. Also that line about Cinderella in Future Baby Mama I think referenced her. I think all these girls after Mani couldn't handle his addiction, I think Prince was probably salty about any girl that wasn't going to enable his addiction because perhaps he felt like he had everything under control. For a long time it DID appear that way. However things are sometimes not what they appear. It sounds like there were more than a few close calls. This is just heartbreaking to me. It is so bizarre to think of Prince as an addict. He had so many of us fooled.

I wonder if Prince tried to hide his painkiller addiction because he worried that his fans and others might stop loving him (abandon him) if they knew of his painkiller use. I suspect that because of Prince’s insecure relationships with his parents, he was always searching for unconditional love, and ended up sabotaging his relationships with his girlfriends or wives.

According to Kate Spade's sister ,she did not want to deal with her mental issues lest it hurt her brand..I can see Prince thinking the same

nelcp777 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign

Again, it was not 1 incident that triggered this, but multiple. I am not debating on which marriage was more or less. Each one had an impact.

I also believe that Prince himself could not or was not able to allow himself to be content/happy deep down. I mean, he had times of happiness and had fun, but deep down, I believe Prince could not "let go". Tony M mentioned the time they went to the beach and Prince stayed in the car. Prince could not let go of the image and just have fun.

We are all "wired" differently. Prince is no exception. My logic of Prince not have the ability for true happiness is kinda a reflection of my life. At some point, I made the conscious decision to let go or as I like to call it, jump of the cliff.And I am glad I jumped.

Prince was so consumed with his image, brand and music, I believe, he could not have inate happiness. During the 1st marriage at the end, he turned to music, Mayte alludes to vicodin missing. Same with the second marriage. But it is not only about marriages, but life. For a long time, music was his escape and therapy.

I look at it this way, this shy, tiny kid from MPLS, picked on in school, lonely, etc. Music was his way of overcoming all that. People respecting him, asking him for a handout. He was not sitting outside McDonalds smelling the food anymore. Right? But over time, fame, loneliness all that affected Prince's wiring. Anytime, like us all, we could make a different decision. Not focus on an upcoming album and focus on the marriage and loss for example. Or not worry about what people think and get help with an addiction.

Prince, I believe, hard a hard time letting go emotionally to people. Not all people around him wanted something. I am sure there were people (maybe only a few) who genuinely cared for him, not as Prince, but as Prince Rogers Nelson.

Lastly, until Prince was willing and wanting help, no one could help him. The most important step to help is seeking and wanting it. Otherwise, it is useless and falls on deaf ears.

These are all relevant insights and most likely accurate based upon what many of those in his inner circle - and even Prince himself - have said throughout the years. I think Prince's own statement from his 1990 RS interview of: "what if everyone around me split? Then I'd be left with only me, and I'd have to fend for me. That's why I have to protect me" supports his need to control every aspect of his life, both personally and professionally. I think, sadly, on some level he probably knew that his social and emotional detachment or quirks would inevitably cause those close to him to leave. I read, either in a Biography or interview with one of his associates, that Prince had said, "I didn't think being famous would be so lonely". I think some of his songs also expressed his loneliness - "Solo", "Somebody's Somebody", "Let It Go", etc. Steve Parke has talked about an unreleased song called "Mind Blow" where Prince sang, "It's so quiet, I can hear my hair grow". Susannah Melvoin has talked about his inability to be vulnerable in any way around anyone - including those in personal relationships with him. He could not show weakness of any kind in public - physical or emotional. I think there were only a select few who saw his vulnerable side, and I'm sure those times were very rare. No doubt his vulnerable and emotional moments were spent alone, a la "In This Bed I Scream".

*

Consequently, it is understandable that an addiction to potentially lethal pain medication would not end well. The call for help was too little, and came too late. Terribly sad and heartbreaking.

bondno9 said:

First of all I’m aware of MN law. I’ve been posting it throughout this thread. The point is that we do not know ALL the info contained in the report. Anything outside “public” was classified as “private.” The Anoka court issued a protective order on the private data back in March. The autopsy contains private info that was only released to his family. For the upteenth time if there was a disease present the family knows but not the public. disch said:

Agreed. Only info pertinent to the investigation is out there. Rightfully so.

In the autopsy summary, what is not clear is what the ME determined to be pertinent info. It is not definitive whether a major/terminal underlying disease would be considered a secondary/contributing cause (to be listed on the short form), although many of the general guidelines for how these forms are filled out say it would be (because it could be directly tied to why he took the pills he ODed on).

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Of course the investigation docs are different and contain a broad range of info including medical info about prince that would normally be hipaa-protected.

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If trying to deduce what, if any, diseases Prince had (in addition to addiction) is important to you, I'd definitely recommend reading the investigation docs in addition to the autopsy summary.

Mumio said:

bondno9 said:

First of all I’m aware of MN law. I’ve been posting it throughout this thread. The point is that we do not know ALL the info contained in the report. Anything outside “public” was classified as “private.” The Anoka court issued a protective order on the private data back in March. The autopsy contains private info that was only released to his family. For the upteenth time if there was a disease present the family knows but not the public. disch said:

Agreed. Only info pertinent to the investigation is out there. Rightfully so.

violetcrush said:

nelcp777 said:

Again, it was not 1 incident that triggered this, but multiple. I am not debating on which marriage was more or less. Each one had an impact.

I also believe that Prince himself could not or was not able to allow himself to be content/happy deep down. I mean, he had times of happiness and had fun, but deep down, I believe Prince could not "let go". Tony M mentioned the time they went to the beach and Prince stayed in the car. Prince could not let go of the image and just have fun.

We are all "wired" differently. Prince is no exception. My logic of Prince not have the ability for true happiness is kinda a reflection of my life. At some point, I made the conscious decision to let go or as I like to call it, jump of the cliff.And I am glad I jumped.

Prince was so consumed with his image, brand and music, I believe, he could not have inate happiness. During the 1st marriage at the end, he turned to music, Mayte alludes to vicodin missing. Same with the second marriage. But it is not only about marriages, but life. For a long time, music was his escape and therapy.

I look at it this way, this shy, tiny kid from MPLS, picked on in school, lonely, etc. Music was his way of overcoming all that. People respecting him, asking him for a handout. He was not sitting outside McDonalds smelling the food anymore. Right? But over time, fame, loneliness all that affected Prince's wiring. Anytime, like us all, we could make a different decision. Not focus on an upcoming album and focus on the marriage and loss for example. Or not worry about what people think and get help with an addiction.

Prince, I believe, hard a hard time letting go emotionally to people. Not all people around him wanted something. I am sure there were people (maybe only a few) who genuinely cared for him, not as Prince, but as Prince Rogers Nelson.

Lastly, until Prince was willing and wanting help, no one could help him. The most important step to help is seeking and wanting it. Otherwise, it is useless and falls on deaf ears.

These are all relevant insights and most likely accurate based upon what many of those in his inner circle - and even Prince himself - have said throughout the years. I think Prince's own statement from his 1990 RS interview of: "what if everyone around me split? Then I'd be left with only me, and I'd have to fend for me. That's why I have to protect me" supports his need to control every aspect of his life, both personally and professionally. I think, sadly, on some level he probably knew that his social and emotional detachment or quirks would inevitably cause those close to him to leave. I read, either in a Biography or interview with one of his associates, that Prince had said, "I didn't think being famous would be so lonely". I think some of his songs also expressed his loneliness - "Solo", "Somebody's Somebody", "Let It Go", etc. Steve Parke has talked about an unreleased song called "Mind Blow" where Prince sang, "It's so quiet, I can hear my hair grow". Susannah Melvoin has talked about his inability to be vulnerable in any way around anyone - including those in personal relationships with him. He could not show weakness of any kind in public - physical or emotional. I think there were only a select few who saw his vulnerable side, and I'm sure those times were very rare. No doubt his vulnerable and emotional moments were spent alone, a la "In This Bed I Scream".

*

Consequently, it is understandable that an addiction to potentially lethal pain medication would not end well. The call for help was too little, and came too late. Terribly sad and heartbreaking.

great post, violetcrush, thanks

disch said:

In the autopsy summary, what is not clear is what the ME determined to be pertinent info. It is not definitive whether a major/terminal underlying disease would be considered a secondary/contributing cause (to be listed on the short form), although many of the general guidelines for how these forms are filled out say it would be (because it could be directly tied to why he took the pills he ODed on).

-

Of course the investigation docs are different and contain a broad range of info including medical info about prince that would normally be hipaa-protected.

-

If trying to deduce what, if any, diseases Prince had (in addition to addiction) is important to you, I'd definitely recommend reading the investigation docs in addition to the autopsy summary.

Mumio said:

Agreed. Only info pertinent to the investigation is out there. Rightfully so.

exactly...there's tons of into there...

violetcrush said:

nelcp777 said:

Again, it was not 1 incident that triggered this, but multiple. I am not debating on which marriage was more or less. Each one had an impact.

I also believe that Prince himself could not or was not able to allow himself to be content/happy deep down. I mean, he had times of happiness and had fun, but deep down, I believe Prince could not "let go". Tony M mentioned the time they went to the beach and Prince stayed in the car. Prince could not let go of the image and just have fun.

We are all "wired" differently. Prince is no exception. My logic of Prince not have the ability for true happiness is kinda a reflection of my life. At some point, I made the conscious decision to let go or as I like to call it, jump of the cliff.And I am glad I jumped.

Prince was so consumed with his image, brand and music, I believe, he could not have inate happiness. During the 1st marriage at the end, he turned to music, Mayte alludes to vicodin missing. Same with the second marriage. But it is not only about marriages, but life. For a long time, music was his escape and therapy.

I look at it this way, this shy, tiny kid from MPLS, picked on in school, lonely, etc. Music was his way of overcoming all that. People respecting him, asking him for a handout. He was not sitting outside McDonalds smelling the food anymore. Right? But over time, fame, loneliness all that affected Prince's wiring. Anytime, like us all, we could make a different decision. Not focus on an upcoming album and focus on the marriage and loss for example. Or not worry about what people think and get help with an addiction.

Prince, I believe, hard a hard time letting go emotionally to people. Not all people around him wanted something. I am sure there were people (maybe only a few) who genuinely cared for him, not as Prince, but as Prince Rogers Nelson.

Lastly, until Prince was willing and wanting help, no one could help him. The most important step to help is seeking and wanting it. Otherwise, it is useless and falls on deaf ears.

These are all relevant insights and most likely accurate based upon what many of those in his inner circle - and even Prince himself - have said throughout the years. I think Prince's own statement from his 1990 RS interview of: "what if everyone around me split? Then I'd be left with only me, and I'd have to fend for me. That's why I have to protect me" supports his need to control every aspect of his life, both personally and professionally. I think, sadly, on some level he probably knew that his social and emotional detachment or quirks would inevitably cause those close to him to leave. I read, either in a Biography or interview with one of his associates, that Prince had said, "I didn't think being famous would be so lonely". I think some of his songs also expressed his loneliness - "Solo", "Somebody's Somebody", "Let It Go", etc. Steve Parke has talked about an unreleased song called "Mind Blow" where Prince sang, "It's so quiet, I can hear my hair grow". Susannah Melvoin has talked about his inability to be vulnerable in any way around anyone - including those in personal relationships with him. He could not show weakness of any kind in public - physical or emotional. I think there were only a select few who saw his vulnerable side, and I'm sure those times were very rare. No doubt his vulnerable and emotional moments were spent alone, a la "In This Bed I Scream".

*

Consequently, it is understandable that an addiction to potentially lethal pain medication would not end well. The call for help was too little, and came too late. Terribly sad and heartbreaking.

I agree with your comments. Thanks!

nelcp777 said:

violetcrush said:

These are all relevant insights and most likely accurate based upon what many of those in his inner circle - and even Prince himself - have said throughout the years. I think Prince's own statement from his 1990 RS interview of: "what if everyone around me split? Then I'd be left with only me, and I'd have to fend for me. That's why I have to protect me" supports his need to control every aspect of his life, both personally and professionally. I think, sadly, on some level he probably knew that his social and emotional detachment or quirks would inevitably cause those close to him to leave. I read, either in a Biography or interview with one of his associates, that Prince had said, "I didn't think being famous would be so lonely". I think some of his songs also expressed his loneliness - "Solo", "Somebody's Somebody", "Let It Go", etc. Steve Parke has talked about an unreleased song called "Mind Blow" where Prince sang, "It's so quiet, I can hear my hair grow". Susannah Melvoin has talked about his inability to be vulnerable in any way around anyone - including those in personal relationships with him. He could not show weakness of any kind in public - physical or emotional. I think there were only a select few who saw his vulnerable side, and I'm sure those times were very rare. No doubt his vulnerable and emotional moments were spent alone, a la "In This Bed I Scream".

*

Consequently, it is understandable that an addiction to potentially lethal pain medication would not end well. The call for help was too little, and came too late. Terribly sad and heartbreaking.

I agree with your comments. Thanks!

And here we go........................

http://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/was-prince-a-secret-porn-star

two years after the “Purple Rain” star’s fatal fentanyl overdose at 57, sources close to the investigation dished about the secrets contained within the vaults at Prince’s Minneapolis-area estate.

“Prince videotaped himself having sex with lots of his lovers and was quite kinky in his porn tastes,” said one source, who stressed none of the material was illegal. “The evidence is in his vaults and on the computers seized by police.”

The stunning disclosure comes weeks after cops announced no charges would be filed in connection with Prince’s death — as well as the release of a chilling video taken inside Paisley Park after his lifeless body was found.

One former flame, 46-year-old Charlene Friend, claimed, “I was filmed having sex with Prince — without my permission.”

She also described “sex parties” with “cages, chains and whips,” and added: “Prince would make me watch videos of him with other women.”

PennyPurple said:

And here we go........................

http://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/was-prince-a-secret-porn-star

two years after the “Purple Rain” star’s fatal fentanyl overdose at 57, sources close to the investigation dished about the secrets contained within the vaults at Prince’s Minneapolis-area estate.

“Prince videotaped himself having sex with lots of his lovers and was quite kinky in his porn tastes,” said one source, who stressed none of the material was illegal. “The evidence is in his vaults and on the computers seized by police.”

The stunning disclosure comes weeks after cops announced no charges would be filed in connection with Prince’s death — as well as the release of a chilling video taken inside Paisley Park after his lifeless body was found.

One former flame, 46-year-old Charlene Friend, claimed, “I was filmed having sex with Prince — without my permission.”

She also described “sex parties” with “cages, chains and whips,” and added: “Prince would make me watch videos of him with other women.”

LIES!

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

And here we go........................

http://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/was-prince-a-secret-porn-star

LIES!

Either way it makes no difference to me, he's still my guy.

It just ticks me off that this is out there and people will take it as gospel.

it was published in radar (a gossip rag) and then picked up by canoe. I think people will take it as seriously as they take anything in tabloids (if "people" actually even see and care about this kind of stuff). That Charlene Friend story has already been out for years for example, and I don't know if it made much impact.

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As for if any of this is true, who knows? Prince wasn't exactly a monk sexually for most of his life, as we all know.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

LIES!

Either way it makes no difference to me, he's still my guy.

It just ticks me off that this is out there and people will take it as gospel.

Who cares about this? What goes on between two consenting adults is their business, not mine. But who could verify what anyone says in this regard.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

LIES!

Either way it makes no difference to me, he's still my guy.

It just ticks me off that this is out there and people will take it as gospel.

Well why post it up on here then?

disch said:

it was published in radar (a gossip rag) and then picked up by canoe. I think people will take it as seriously as they take anything in tabloids (if "people" actually even see and care about this kind of stuff). That Charlene Friend story has already been out for years for example, and I don't know if it made much impact.

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As for if any of this is true, who knows? Prince wasn't exactly a monk sexually for most of his life, as we all know.

PennyPurple said:

Either way it makes no difference to me, he's still my guy.

It just ticks me off that this is out there and people will take it as gospel.

Right Disch. If you go by Prince's own words of "If you want to know about my life, just listen to my music", along with many of his explicit songs, well....it would be no surprise at all that he may have been into raunchy and racey "sexcapades". Nothing wrong with that if he wanted to partake in those activities with some women. I agree, the validity of the statements made by Charlene Friend is unclear; however, it is a fact that she was a "girlfriend" of sorts back in the day. She is thanked as "Charlie Friend" on his Love Symbol album. I would not be surprised about any type of sex videos being made. He had the resources and the women available to him....

Whatever was deleted from the hard drive itself on his laptop was resurrected by the forensic examiner the investigators brought it. It was only the emails that someone deleted from his gmail account via that laptop that they weren't able to retrieve. But there were a whole bunch of computers around PP (you can see them in many photos, including a desktop computer in his office that was apparenty his main computer when he was home) in addition to that one laptop.

kmama07 said:

The porn thing-true or not- makes no difference to me. Plenty of people have viewed porn. Plenty of people have filmed themselves in a sexual situation. Hell, even kids are "sexting " these days on their phones. It only sounds bigger because this story is tied to Prince. What is interesting is how the story claims along with what was in the vault, there were things found on his computers. But I was under the impression his computer was wiped clean before the detectives got ahold of it. One would think that would include the porn (if this story is in fact true). Fucking tabloids...

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Either way it makes no difference to me, he's still my guy.

It just ticks me off that this is out there and people will take it as gospel.

Well why post it up on here then?

Because I can.

kmama07 said:

The porn thing-true or not- makes no difference to me. Plenty of people have viewed porn. Plenty of people have filmed themselves in a sexual situation. Hell, even kids are "sexting " these days on their phones. It only sounds bigger because this story is tied to Prince. What is interesting is how the story claims along with what was in the vault, there were things found on his computers. But I was under the impression his computer was wiped clean before the detectives got ahold of it. One would think that would include the porn (if this story is in fact true). Fucking tabloids...

Phaedra must've forgot to wipe it totally. LOL

TO THE RED BOLDED: WTF?? Why can't they just leave him alone? Seriously I don't want to hear anything from anyone no more, I'm done. Why didn't she say this when he was alive?

This was first on Radar? Then it's not really credible. But people will believe that crap anyway.

PennyPurple said:

And here we go........................

http://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/was-prince-a-secret-porn-star

two years after the “Purple Rain” star’s fatal fentanyl overdose at 57, sources close to the investigation dished about the secrets contained within the vaults at Prince’s Minneapolis-area estate.

“Prince videotaped himself having sex with lots of his lovers and was quite kinky in his porn tastes,” said one source, who stressed none of the material was illegal. “The evidence is in his vaults and on the computers seized by police.”

The stunning disclosure comes weeks after cops announced no charges would be filed in connection with Prince’s death — as well as the release of a chilling video taken inside Paisley Park after his lifeless body was found.

One former flame, 46-year-old Charlene Friend, claimed, “I was filmed having sex with Prince — without my permission.”

She also described “sex parties” with “cages, chains and whips,” and added: “Prince would make me watch videos of him with other women.”

^^^and seriously, no better timing tho. Right before his birthday tomorrow. I'm afraid this is going to overshadow it just like publishing the files did with the celebration.

who really give a fuck? good for him, i hope he enjoyed every minute of it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

TO THE RED BOLDED: WTF?? Why can't they just leave him alone? Seriously I don't want to hear anything from anyone no more, I'm done. Why didn't she say this when he was alive?

This was first on Radar? Then it's not really credible. But people will believe that crap anyway.

PennyPurple said:

And here we go........................

http://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/was-prince-a-secret-porn-star

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Well why post it up on here then?

Because I can.

You're being VERY messy by posting that article link on here and U know it. If it was ANY porn footage of Prince having sex it would have been leaked by now. Since he was at one point a very well known sex symbol. That was with some of the most beautiful women in the world.

ThatWhiteDude said:

TO THE RED BOLDED: WTF?? Why can't they just leave him alone? Seriously I don't want to hear anything from anyone no more, I'm done. Why didn't she say this when he was alive?

This was first on Radar? Then it's not really credible. But people will believe that crap anyway.

PennyPurple said:

And here we go........................

http://canoe.com/entertainment/celebrity/was-prince-a-secret-porn-star

I don't know if it's true or not, don't really care. But who is leaking info from the PD?

I'm not mad about the porn thing tho, but the woman is claiming he filmed her without her permission. I'm mad about the claim.

PeteSilas said:

who really give a fuck? good for him, i hope he enjoyed every minute of it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

TO THE RED BOLDED: WTF?? Why can't they just leave him alone? Seriously I don't want to hear anything from anyone no more, I'm done. Why didn't she say this when he was alive?

This was first on Radar? Then it's not really credible. But people will believe that crap anyway.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

TO THE RED BOLDED: WTF?? Why can't they just leave him alone? Seriously I don't want to hear anything from anyone no more, I'm done. Why didn't she say this when he was alive?

This was first on Radar? Then it's not really credible. But people will believe that crap anyway.

I don't know if it's true or not, don't really care. But who is leaking info from the PD?

That's a really good question.