Genesia said:

Could Prince's addiction have played a role in how Paisley Park had deteriorated? Of course. But here's another thing to consider. Paisley Park was HUGE - with a shit ton of stuff in it. Even if he'd been 100%, there's a good chance Prince would have found its upkeep daunting.

Hell - right now, I have two closets in a 1500 square foot condo that are in desperate need of purging. And because it is a big job and I have no idea where to even start, and because I am so terrified of throwing out something I will miss if I do, I just gimp along with the overstuffed closets.

My storage lockers in the basement are disorganized and very dusty. (Have you ever tried to keep a storage locker attached to a garage dust free?) If I manage to keep my toilets (I have three) ring free, I feel like I'm doing a pretty good job.

If you looked at me right now at work, you would think I was the most put-together person around. If you looked at my house, you'd probably think I had a drug problem. But the fact of the matter is, I am a woman with a full-time job who doesn't have a lot of time to spend cleaning and who can't afford to pay someone to do her cleaning for her.

Even if I could, I probably woundn't want a comparative stranger to be in close contact with my stuff. And I don't have the valuables Prince did.

Just something to think about.

The difference is, he was a millionaire and hired people to work for him all the time. And Meron & Kirk were also working there.

i think it's much ado about nothing, so far from what i see. People's priorities aren't always the same, i don't care a thing about neatness, nothing, i don't care about impressions about neatness either. People are judgemental, they will judge you no matter what. I took a friend of mine to introduce him to other friends, weeks later he complained about the dust and mess, I kinda question how he judges me now and don't really trust being around him alot. I do my best with what I have, I'm alone, I'm not trying to impress anyone but I don't need friends who judge either. Donald Trump (ya I know) once said that the most successful businessmen he knew all had messy desks while the failures had neat desks, he said he didn't understand that but that he did observe it. People judge too much by looks anyway, it's one reason i'm wary of people.

PennyPurple said:

Genesia said:

Could Prince's addiction have played a role in how Paisley Park had deteriorated? Of course. But here's another thing to consider. Paisley Park was HUGE - with a shit ton of stuff in it. Even if he'd been 100%, there's a good chance Prince would have found its upkeep daunting.

Hell - right now, I have two closets in a 1500 square foot condo that are in desperate need of purging. And because it is a big job and I have no idea where to even start, and because I am so terrified of throwing out something I will miss if I do, I just gimp along with the overstuffed closets.

My storage lockers in the basement are disorganized and very dusty. (Have you ever tried to keep a storage locker attached to a garage dust free?) If I manage to keep my toilets (I have three) ring free, I feel like I'm doing a pretty good job.

If you looked at me right now at work, you would think I was the most put-together person around. If you looked at my house, you'd probably think I had a drug problem. But the fact of the matter is, I am a woman with a full-time job who doesn't have a lot of time to spend cleaning and who can't afford to pay someone to do her cleaning for her.

Even if I could, I probably woundn't want a comparative stranger to be in close contact with my stuff. And I don't have the valuables Prince did.

Just something to think about.

The difference is, he was a millionaire and hired people to work for him all the time. And Meron & Kirk were also working there.

bondno9 said:

So a bald head coud speak for P in the ambulance (Moline), determine P was experiencing withdrawal symptoms (after visit with Dr S 4/20) but couldn't hire someone to provide maid/cleaning services for Paisley?

Prince didn't want anyone in his private headquarters.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

bondno9 said:

So a bald head coud speak for P in the ambulance (Moline), determine P was experiencing withdrawal symptoms (after visit with Dr S 4/20) but couldn't hire someone to provide maid/cleaning services for Paisley?

Prince didn't want anyone in his private headquarters.

Judith was in them. The Chef was in them.

[Edited 6/4/18 13:55pm]

PennyPurple said:

Genesia said:

Could Prince's addiction have played a role in how Paisley Park had deteriorated? Of course. But here's another thing to consider. Paisley Park was HUGE - with a shit ton of stuff in it. Even if he'd been 100%, there's a good chance Prince would have found its upkeep daunting.

Hell - right now, I have two closets in a 1500 square foot condo that are in desperate need of purging. And because it is a big job and I have no idea where to even start, and because I am so terrified of throwing out something I will miss if I do, I just gimp along with the overstuffed closets.

My storage lockers in the basement are disorganized and very dusty. (Have you ever tried to keep a storage locker attached to a garage dust free?) If I manage to keep my toilets (I have three) ring free, I feel like I'm doing a pretty good job.

If you looked at me right now at work, you would think I was the most put-together person around. If you looked at my house, you'd probably think I had a drug problem. But the fact of the matter is, I am a woman with a full-time job who doesn't have a lot of time to spend cleaning and who can't afford to pay someone to do her cleaning for her.

Even if I could, I probably woundn't want a comparative stranger to be in close contact with my stuff. And I don't have the valuables Prince did.

Just something to think about.

The difference is, he was a millionaire and hired people to work for him all the time. And Meron & Kirk were also working there.

Are you suggesting that Meron and Kirk (or Judith and the chef) were cleaning bathrooms at Paisley Park? GTFO

The days of a full-time staff at Paisley (for cleaning or anything else) were looooooong gone. And I'm guessing that any expenditures - not to mention the presence of anyone outside of a known core of employees - had to be personally approved by Prince.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince didn't want anyone in his private headquarters.

Judith was in them. The Chef was in them.

[Edited 6/4/18 13:55pm]

The Chef was only allowed in the Chef kitchen. I'm talking about staff weren't allowed in his private apartment area. Judith when invited.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Judith was in them. The Chef was in them.

[Edited 6/4/18 13:55pm]

The Chef was only allowed in the Chef kitchen. I'm talking about staff weren't allowed in his private apartment area. Judith when invited.

You didn't say staff. You said 'anyone'.

Lots of reasonable points...about privacy and the upkeep of a big facility.

Genesia said:

Could Prince's addiction have played a role in how Paisley Park had deteriorated? Of course. But here's another thing to consider. Paisley Park was HUGE - with a shit ton of stuff in it. Even if he'd been 100%, there's a good chance Prince would have found its upkeep daunting.

Hell - right now, I have two closets in a 1500 square foot condo that are in desperate need of purging. And because it is a big job and I have no idea where to even start, and because I am so terrified of throwing out something I will miss if I do, I just gimp along with the overstuffed closets.

My storage lockers in the basement are disorganized and very dusty. (Have you ever tried to keep a storage locker attached to a garage dust free?) If I manage to keep my toilets (I have three) ring free, I feel like I'm doing a pretty good job.

If you looked at me right now at work, you would think I was the most put-together person around. If you looked at my house, you'd probably think I had a drug problem. But the fact of the matter is, I am a woman with a full-time job who doesn't have a lot of time to spend cleaning and who can't afford to pay someone to do her cleaning for her.

Even if I could, I probably woundn't want a comparative stranger to be in close contact with my stuff. And I don't have the valuables Prince did.

Just something to think about.

Genesia said:

PennyPurple said:

The difference is, he was a millionaire and hired people to work for him all the time. And Meron & Kirk were also working there.

Are you suggesting that Meron and Kirk (or Judith and the chef) were cleaning bathrooms at Paisley Park? GTFO

The days of a full-time staff at Paisley (for cleaning or anything else) were looooooong gone. And I'm guessing that any expenditures - not to mention the presence of anyone outside of a known core of employees - had to be personally approved by Prince.

I agree with you. Kirk said Meron was responsible for the arrangements of cleaning, whether that was the public or private side, I do not know. Kirk was responsible for PP property. It sounds like Kirk and Meron weren't on top of things. However, maybe Prince was not approving payment for such expenditures. If Prince thought his living areas needed cleaning, did he tell Meron? It seems that those employed were not up to task and Prince was not focused like in the past.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

The Chef was only allowed in the Chef kitchen. I'm talking about staff weren't allowed in his private apartment area. Judith when invited.

You didn't say staff. You said 'anyone'.

Hush!

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, it is, but IT WASN'T GIVEN TO PRINCE FOR HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. IT HAS MULTI-USES.

Prince didn't have cancer pain nor ADHD, it's really not that hard to understand.the clonidine was more than likely prescribed to prince because he was going through withdrawal symptoms thus giving him high BP

NO, this drug was not given to him for high blood pressure, just like it has been said time & time again. Let's not keep muddying the waters.

Page 58, #12: Per Dr. S. Clonidine was given for withdrawel symptoms. Dr. S said "clonidine was a blood pressure medication, that for years has been used to treat opiate addiction."

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

You didn't say staff. You said 'anyone'.

Hush!

PennyPurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said: Prince didn't have cancer pain nor ADHD, it's really not that hard to understand.the clonidine was more than likely prescribed to prince because he was going through withdrawal symptoms thus giving him high BP

NO, this drug was not given to him for high blood pressure, just like it has been said time & time again. Let's not keep muddying the waters.

Page 58, #12: Per Dr. S. Clonidine was given for withdrawel symptoms. Dr. S said "clonidine was a blood pressure medication, that for years has been used to treat opiate addiction."

Penny hits the nail on the head again!!!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

NO, this drug was not given to him for high blood pressure, just like it has been said time & time again. Let's not keep muddying the waters.

Page 58, #12: Per Dr. S. Clonidine was given for withdrawel symptoms. Dr. S said "clonidine was a blood pressure medication, that for years has been used to treat opiate addiction."

Penny hits the nail on the head again!!!

It's just muddying the waters up. Prince wasn't diagnosed with high blood pressure, and clonidine wasn't given for high blood pressure.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Judith was in them. The Chef was in them.

[Edited 6/4/18 13:55pm]

The Chef was only allowed in the Chef kitchen. I'm talking about staff weren't allowed in his private apartment area. Judith when invited.

Hush chile, wrong again.

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Roberts stated, "he would normally go to Prince's private living area".

He didn't that night because Prince was not feeling well.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

The Chef was only allowed in the Chef kitchen. I'm talking about staff weren't allowed in his private apartment area. Judith when invited.

Hush chile, wrong again.

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Roberts stated, "he would normally go to Prince's private living area".

He didn't that night because Prince was not feeling well.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

NO, this drug was not given to him for high blood pressure, just like it has been said time & time again. Let's not keep muddying the waters.

Page 58, #12: Per Dr. S. Clonidine was given for withdrawel symptoms. Dr. S said "clonidine was a blood pressure medication, that for years has been used to treat opiate addiction."

Penny hits the nail on the head again!!!

Penny, how many uppercuts are you going to deliver in one day? Your poor knuckles must be sore.

Someone got a quasi- laura beatdown! Clearly birds of a feather , flock together. We always tormented that poor soul with facts . Have we noticed that all to familiar pattern of someone spouting off what they "heard"/"believe" in an attempt to turn it into an investigative saga? Though the documents support nothing of the sort, they insist on presenting a failed narrative in order to curry favor with a very small sample of newbies who don't know the pattern.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Penny hits the nail on the head again!!!

Penny, how many uppercuts are you going to deliver in one day? Your poor knuckles must be sore.

Someone got a quasi- laura beatdown! Clearly birds of a feather , flock together. We always tormented that poor soul with facts . Have we noticed that all to familiar pattern of someone spouting off what they "heard"/"believe" in an attempt to turn it into an investigative saga? Though the documents support nothing of the sort, they insist on presenting a failed narrative in order to curry favor with a very small sample of newbies who don't know the pattern.

I just don't understand why people are trying to change the facts. I realize before the documents came out we didn't have the facts. Now that they are in black and white, I don't understand why they want to put a different narrative out there, and that includes the associates.

I also have a problem with people who haven't bothered to read the documents, who want to come here and argue with the ones that have.

kmama07 said:

Menes said:

If one believes the dosage ingested was calculated accurately, the ME made it easier for you. Isn't there a thread floating around the org that calculates how far the elevator was from let's say , the bedroom? The kitchen? Take your "pic".<<<<< Hmm, I see what you did there. Where did he take the pills? Where was he found? Was the elevator going up or down? Did they find him upstairs or downstairs inside the elevator? How long would it take him to go from point a to b?

Many ions ago, I posted a video of the elevator and the "vault" in relation to, and proximity of, the lay out in the house. I wanted to post the distances from each point ( since square footage and dimensions are available + rate per second an elevator may descend or ascend with "x" amount of floors given. Its math, not emotion. Mods moved in and re-posted it in a hidden compartment in the nether regions of the org, thereby, killing the subtle hint into an inquiry. I did that for a reason, many many ions ago. All was revealed very early on. Seek.

Amen. Thank you for the reminder.It went so far away I'd forgotten about it. I am a seeker.

A seeker you are? You have the documents and other sources as a narrative for some guidance.

Find the elevator location in relation to the bedroom ( or anywhere else) where most of the pills were found.

Find out how long it will take the elevator to go down or up two floors( This will be in seconds).

Did the elevator go down or up when he was in it?

Find out if Prince was found downstairs or upstairs in that elevator.

Taking into consideration the amount of fentanyl ingested per the test , take a best guess estimate of how long it took for him to lose consciousness .

Narrow Prince's proximity to the elevator and take a best guess estimate of how much time it would take him to get into the elevator.

Compare your findings to conclude whether the elevator scenario was a means of escape or a final resting place.

It's a start.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Penny, how many uppercuts are you going to deliver in one day? Your poor knuckles must be sore.

Someone got a quasi- laura beatdown! Clearly birds of a feather , flock together. We always tormented that poor soul with facts . Have we noticed that all to familiar pattern of someone spouting off what they "heard"/"believe" in an attempt to turn it into an investigative saga? Though the documents support nothing of the sort, they insist on presenting a failed narrative in order to curry favor with a very small sample of newbies who don't know the pattern.

I just don't understand why people are trying to change the facts. I realize before the documents came out we didn't have the facts. Now that they are in black and white, I don't understand why they want to put a different narrative out there, and that includes the associates.

I also have a problem with people who haven't bothered to read the documents, who want to come here and argue with the ones that have.

it makes them feel smart, important, like they're adding 'something' to the narrative

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Penny, how many uppercuts are you going to deliver in one day? Your poor knuckles must be sore.

Someone got a quasi- laura beatdown! Clearly birds of a feather , flock together. We always tormented that poor soul with facts . Have we noticed that all to familiar pattern of someone spouting off what they "heard"/"believe" in an attempt to turn it into an investigative saga? Though the documents support nothing of the sort, they insist on presenting a failed narrative in order to curry favor with a very small sample of newbies who don't know the pattern.

I just don't understand why people are trying to change the facts. I realize before the documents came out we didn't have the facts. Now that they are in black and white, I don't understand why they want to put a different narrative out there, and that includes the associates.

I also have a problem with people who haven't bothered to read the documents, who want to come here and argue with the ones that have.

Well, when you consider whom you gave that proper beating to, that one has no credibility. They went from peddling pancreatic cancer ( sources were "legit) to HBP? Can we agree that "denial" is not a river in Egypt? It's as if LR has been reincarnated on the org.

Is there an emoji for ignorance?

Unless I missed something, I don't know how the info in the documents could answer the questions about Prince's sequence of actions directly before he lost consciousness.

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All we know is that he was found in the elevator, by people located on the ground floor. We don't know he was heading up or down when he got in (if he was in fact doing either), and what floor he entered on. We don't know where he was when he swallowed the pills (was he in the elevator? just outside it? someplace else?).

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I don't know about the length of time it took him to lose consciousness after swallowing the pills, but it was probably pretty quick (I haven't researched how long it takes fentanyl to absorb from the stomach to the blood/brain. While we don't know how many pills he swallowed, the info we do have indicates that it's likely there was enough fentanyl in one counterfeit pill to kill him). But regardless, I don't think we have enough facts to deduce anything all that meaningful about the sequence.

Menes said:

kmama07 said:

Menes said: Amen. Thank you for the reminder.It went so far away I'd forgotten about it. I am a seeker.

A seeker you are? You have the documents and other sources as a narrative for some guidance.

Find the elevator location in relation to the bedroom ( or anywhere else) where most of the pills were found.

Find out how long it will take the elevator to go down or up two floors( This will be in seconds).

Did the elevator go down or up when he was in it?

Find out if Prince was found downstairs or upstairs in that elevator.

Taking into consideration the amount of fentanyl ingested per the test , take a best guess estimate of how long it took for him to lose consciousness .

Narrow Prince's proximity to the elevator and take a best guess estimate of how much time it would take him to get into the elevator.

Compare your findings to conclude whether the elevator scenario was a means of escape or a final resting place.

It's a start.

PennyPurple said:

Does anybody know what Meron is doing now? Does she live in MN, or did she move some where else?

Have a look: https://www.instagram.com/m3rona/

kmama07 said:

Menes said:

You're one of the few that paint a more precise picture in regards to his state of mind. Nothing to do with pain. Everything you see and read corresponds with someone who was far more gone than imagined. Keep up the good work.

Agreed on state of PP. And as someone who grew up with a father who is a huge car enthusiast, I was shocked to see the condition and storage methods of the cars. No covers, dusty as hell...

If anyone believes that Prince went from being meticulous and immaculate to unorganized and not caring about the state of his personal abode, that would mean that either he was never really that person that was portrayed to us in public, or, something changed dramatically.


We never saw the man in what could be interpreted as an untidy fashion. Everything was planned out by the man himself. Far be it for him to not want his abode to be in pristine condition. That would not the fit image, no?

OTO, I have dated women that appeared to be goddesses, yet had a bathroom that was fit for a pig to wallow in. They were promptly dismissed without so much as a whisper.That is usually the room that tells you a lot about someone.

disch said:

Unless I missed something, I don't know how the info in the documents could answer the questions about Prince's sequence of actions directly before he lost consciousness.

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All we know is that he was found in the elevator, by people located on the ground floor. We don't know he was heading up or down when he got in (if he was in fact doing either), and what floor he entered on. We don't know where he was when he swallowed the pills (was he in the elevator? just outside it? someplace else?).

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I don't know about the length of time it took him to lose consciousness after swallowing the pills, but it was probably pretty quick (I haven't researched how long it takes fentanyl to absorb from the stomach to the blood/brain. While we don't know how many pills he swallowed, the info we do have indicates that it's likely there was enough fentanyl in one counterfeit pill to kill him). But regardless, I don't think we have enough facts to deduce anything all that meaningful about the sequence.

Menes said:

A seeker you are? You have the documents and other sources as a narrative for some guidance.

Find the elevator location in relation to the bedroom ( or anywhere else) where most of the pills were found.

Find out how long it will take the elevator to go down or up two floors( This will be in seconds).

Did the elevator go down or up when he was in it?

Find out if Prince was found downstairs or upstairs in that elevator.

Taking into consideration the amount of fentanyl ingested per the test , take a best guess estimate of how long it took for him to lose consciousness .

Narrow Prince's proximity to the elevator and take a best guess estimate of how much time it would take him to get into the elevator.

Compare your findings to conclude whether the elevator scenario was a means of escape or a final resting place.

It's a start.

You may not= means absolutely nothing to someone who may.