PennyPurple said:

CooperC62057 said:

Thank you all for allowing me to speak and share with freedom. While I have my instincts of what and how things were in the end days of Prince’s life, I do not mean to project based on my experiences. I think it’s a wonderful thing that honest, open and candid conversations can now be had around here and even a little bantering now and then does no harm

CooperC62057 said:

PennyPurple said:

I went thru the pictures on zipfile 4 again last night. I'm sorry folks, but PP was a mess. The toilet and floor in his bathroom was disgusting. PP was in dire need of a face lift.

The cars in the garage What a shame. I did notice that the light blue Bentley was registered to PP Enterprises but the Insurance on the Bentley was in Kirk's name.

Sad.

The condition of the bathroom. Also makes you wonder who was overlooking this? Who thought this was okay? Who was turning their heads to this? To most people this sets off alarms that something isn’t quite right but, and I hate to say this, others with similar issues might not notice it either. Looking at the photos of PP and remembering some descriptions of the place in the Rolling Stone article it’s as though time stood still in many areas. Eerily still.

Just now downloading Zip 4 (for the past few HOURS) and haven't seen the bathroom pix yet...but it made me wonder if that's why Judith checked into a motel!?

In the Zipfile 4, Warrant issued 5/11/16: Picture #160 & 161 are the restroom pics. Pic 161 zoom into the bottom of the toiled and look at the floor all around the toilet. Disgusting.

Pic #20 & 38 shows the cars, and #41 shows the title to the Bentely and Insurance in KJ's name for the Bentely.

I've tried and tried to get the photos over here to the forum, and can't get them to post.

There is also a picture of a syringe still in the packet, I'm trying to find that pic again but with over 600 pictures in just this 1 part, it is proving difficult.

PennyPurple said:

There is also a picture of a syringe still in the packet, I'm trying to find that pic again but with over 600 pictures in just this 1 part, it is proving difficult.

All those pics are already posted on previous threads.

luv4u said:

PennyPurple said:

There is also a picture of a syringe still in the packet, I'm trying to find that pic again but with over 600 pictures in just this 1 part, it is proving difficult.

All those pics are already posted on previous threads.

Thanks, I'll stop trying to put them here, it'll save me lots of time.

Billie and Pete, you might want to find those pics that have already been posted here, somewhere in part 1-10, since both of you were asking for them.

Lovejunky said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said: Out of all of them, she is blunt and up front

She mentions hip surgery and knowing he was in pain..

then later...around 11:00

Her voice broke when she said this:

"Quote" He was in a lot of pain..that I knew"

Hurts to know that he was hurting...

I think he thought that he was covering it up pretty well,

so everyone pretended they didnt know...

He looked for help too late....

Didnt Kirk say, somewhere in his sttement that Prince said to him

"I cant kick this?"

It does really hurt to hear.

In her interview, Manuela stated that Kirk told her that Prince told him this the night before he died. The quote in the interview report is "I can't kick this. I need a drink."

Investigation Files p. 169, item 274

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rednblue said:

In her interview, Manuela stated that Kirk told her that Prince told him this the night before he died. The quote in the interview report is "I can't kick this. I need a drink."

Investigation Files p. 169, item 274

Funny how KJ told Mani things and not the Police.

PennyPurple said:

In the Zipfile 4, Warrant issued 5/11/16: Picture #160 & 161 are the restroom pics. Pic 161 zoom into the bottom of the toiled and look at the floor all around the toilet. Disgusting.

Pic #20 & 38 shows the cars, and #41 shows the title to the Bentely and Insurance in KJ's name for the Bentely.

I've tried and tried to get the photos over here to the forum, and can't get them to post.

I dont think it looks that disgusting.

It could just be old tile and the caulking needs to be re-done.

PennyPurple said:

rednblue said:

In her interview, Manuela stated that Kirk told her that Prince told him this the night before he died. The quote in the interview report is "I can't kick this. I need a drink."

Investigation Files p. 169, item 274

Funny how KJ told Mani things and not the Police.

That was double hearsay.

M2 also told Omarr things that were not true and triple hearsay.

M2 needs to take a seat.

PennyPurple said:

rednblue said:

In her interview, Manuela stated that Kirk told her that Prince told him this the night before he died. The quote in the interview report is "I can't kick this. I need a drink."

Investigation Files p. 169, item 274

Funny how KJ told Mani things and not the Police.

As most of us here know, Manuela stated that Kirk said he answered, "Prince, you can't" because he'd cleaned out the studio. I was surprised that this exchange wasn't mentioned in his police interview.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

Funny how KJ told Mani things and not the Police.

That was double hearsay.

M2 also told Omarr things that were not true and triple hearsay.

M2 needs to take a seat.

Just now saw your comment, ISLIJAG. Do you mean when Manuela said Omarr told her that Kirk told him that Shawn found Prince?

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

In the Zipfile 4, Warrant issued 5/11/16: Picture #160 & 161 are the restroom pics. Pic 161 zoom into the bottom of the toiled and look at the floor all around the toilet. Disgusting.

Pic #20 & 38 shows the cars, and #41 shows the title to the Bentely and Insurance in KJ's name for the Bentely.

I've tried and tried to get the photos over here to the forum, and can't get them to post.

I dont think it looks that disgusting.

It could just be old tile and the caulking needs to be re-done.

Huh? What about the urine on the bottom of the stool and on the floor around it? Caulking, that shit needed to be cleaned.

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont think it looks that disgusting.

It could just be old tile and the caulking needs to be re-done.

Huh? What about the urine on the bottom of the stool and on the floor around it? Caulking, that shit needed to be cleaned.

Just a wild guess...

but I think the cleaners probably came immediately before a PP Event....

Prince had probably never been into the Public Rest Rooms..

WHy would he...? he relied on his estate managers to keep things in ship shape...

I also doubt Prince even visited the Garage or other rooms in Paisley other then his recording and private facilities...

regrding his Personal Bathroom...

It was not dirty, perhaps a little untidy..

but you should see MY Bathroom when I dont have guests coming over...LOL

and regarding the Toilet Cistern..

Those toilets are over 20 years old...

Take to top off yours and have a look inside it...

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont think it looks that disgusting.

It could just be old tile and the caulking needs to be re-done.

Huh? What about the urine on the bottom of the stool and on the floor around it? Caulking, that shit needed to be cleaned.

But, Penny, the man was a performer; all the work he did was for the outside world, meanwhile he neglected his inner world. We weren't supposed to see his bathroom.

The place was in disrepair in 2014 according to the Rolling Stone interviewer. He said that Prince's affairs were being handled by 20-something girls with no business experience at that time. JMO but that means he was in the downward spiral before 2014, so the people around him had to have known, had to have seen it happening ... I don't believe anyone who said they didn't know after he died.

And those young women, that was his other addiction.

1Sasha said:

The place was in disrepair in 2014 according to the Rolling Stone interviewer. He said that Prince's affairs were being handled by 20-something girls with no business experience at that time. JMO but that means he was in the downward spiral before 2014, so the people around him had to have known, had to have seen it happening ... I don't believe anyone who said they didn't know after he died.

co-sign

Lovejunky said:

PennyPurple said:

Huh? What about the urine on the bottom of the stool and on the floor around it? Caulking, that shit needed to be cleaned.

Just a wild guess...

but I think the cleaners probably came immediately before a PP Event....

Prince had probably never been into the Public Rest Rooms..

WHy would he...? he relied on his estate managers to keep things in ship shape...

I also doubt Prince even visited the Garage or other rooms in Paisley other then his recording and private facilities...

regrding his Personal Bathroom...

It was not dirty, perhaps a little untidy..

but you should see MY Bathroom when I dont have guests coming over...LOL

and regarding the Toilet Cistern..

Those toilets are over 20 years old...

Take to top off yours and have a look inside it...

No, this was HIS bathroom that I'm talking about. Have you seen the pics? His bathroom was dirty. I'm not talking about taking the top off the stool, (mine is clean by the way), I'm talking the outside of the stool.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

In the Zipfile 4, Warrant issued 5/11/16: Picture #160 & 161 are the restroom pics. Pic 161 zoom into the bottom of the toiled and look at the floor all around the toilet. Disgusting.

Pic #20 & 38 shows the cars, and #41 shows the title to the Bentely and Insurance in KJ's name for the Bentely.

I've tried and tried to get the photos over here to the forum, and can't get them to post.

I dont think it looks that disgusting.

It could just be old tile and the caulking needs to be re-done.

It does look uncleaned. It's dark yellow in the tiles unions. If it were just the caulking it would be dark.

Prince probably did not want anyone cleaning his personal quarters, which is understandable if he had all those enemas and pills laying about.

Its also typical of people who regard such things as secondary. I know a few older artists who live by themselves and just don't feel the need to keep things cleaned and tidy, they have bigger concerns.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

PennyPurple said: The condition of the bathroom. Also makes you wonder who was overlooking this? Who thought this was okay? Who was turning their heads to this? To most people this sets off alarms that something isn’t quite right but, and I hate to say this, others with similar issues might not notice it either. Looking at the photos of PP and remembering some descriptions of the place in the Rolling Stone article it’s as though time stood still in many areas. Eerily still.

Just now downloading Zip 4 (for the past few HOURS) and haven't seen the bathroom pix yet...but it made me wonder if that's why Judith checked into a motel!?

Who knows? Could very well be.

Like I said on the previous post, I know a few older artists who live by themselves and don't pay any attention to cleanliness and tidyness. They are amazing artists, painters, mucisians, writers, but their houses are a mess. I would not stay over for the night.

Bassette said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign

And so, statements like “why don’t you tell them the whole story” (Damaris?) and “heard he wasn’t doing well” (Mayte), etc. could all have been in relation to substance abuse issues though many were searching for some terminal disease. Not one single doubt in my mind that any and all who spent any substantial amount of time with him did not know. So many reasons that people hold back and don’t intervene but in the end, whether they accept the burden or not, they failed him and anyone of them could have changed the outcome if they had just TRIED.

My question since these files have been released is this: What did those know who haven't had contact to Prince for years? Did they hear something through the grapevine? If so, they could've tried to do something. Like Mani, she couldn't go to PP to try to help Prince but she booked a flight as soon as she heard the news to claim the Charity.

As for Mayte, one thing that always kind of bothered me was IF someone really called her and told her that "he wasn't doing well", why didn't she just go to PP? She said she wanted to, but why waiting? She said it was because of Gia, but it wasn't necessary to bring her over, was it? She said she didn't expect him to die, so she thought there was no hurry at all.

And I want to state, she was being honest about some incidents in her book, especially regarding the rumor of the OD in 1996, she confirmed it. Was he already addicted back then? Did she ignore it or was she just naive? She said she can't be sure IF the other incidents actually had something to do with pills, but is it true?

I don't know what to believe anymore. It's just all a big f***ng mess.

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[Edited 6/2/18 12:02pm]

CooperC62057 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign

And so, statements like “why don’t you tell them the whole story” (Damaris?) and “heard he wasn’t doing well” (Mayte), etc. could all have been in relation to substance abuse issues though many were searching for some terminal disease. Not one single doubt in my mind that any and all who spent any substantial amount of time with him did not know. So many reasons that people hold back and don’t intervene but in the end, whether they accept the burden or not, they failed him and anyone of them could have changed the outcome if they had just TRIED.

Just burned through zip file 4 and am far more disturbed than when I saw the death shots.The chaos, disorder and dirt were overwhelmingly cray to me...IMO, if anyone in their right mind walked through PP, they would have known he was done.
He had pleanty of money and resources to have everything cleaned, repaired. curated, organized...no wonder people stole from him...he had no idea what he owned and obviously never threw anything away...The guitars in a storeroom with drum set and electronic parts? The hats on a cheap shelf?His shoes on a $29.99 rack from Target? I'm sick to my stomach.

The disintegration was there in plain view. I respectfully disagree with what someone wrote here about musicians or artists being messy or untidy bc they had better things to do...this HAD been a man meticulous about his persona...WTF?And the disorganization seeped deep into his personal luggage and space

So totally freaking SAD...Prince, at the end, was living in a cold, messy warehouse with no family or friends to help him when he obviously needed help.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said: And so, statements like “why don’t you tell them the whole story” (Damaris?) and “heard he wasn’t doing well” (Mayte), etc. could all have been in relation to substance abuse issues though many were searching for some terminal disease. Not one single doubt in my mind that any and all who spent any substantial amount of time with him did not know. So many reasons that people hold back and don’t intervene but in the end, whether they accept the burden or not, they failed him and anyone of them could have changed the outcome if they had just TRIED.

Just burned through zip file 4 and am far more disturbed than when I saw the death shots.The chaos, disorder and dirt were overwhelmingly cray to me...IMO, if anyone in their right mind walked through PP, they would have known he was done.
He had pleanty of money and resources to have everything cleaned, repaired. curated, organized...no wonder people stole from him...he had no idea what he owned and obviously never threw anything away...The guitars in a storeroom with drum set and electronic parts? The hats on a cheap shelf?His shoes on a $29.99 rack from Target? I'm sick to my stomach.

The disintegration was there in plain view. I respectfully disagree with what someone wrote here about musicians or artists being messy or untidy bc they had better things to do...this HAD been a man meticulous about his persona...WTF?And the disorganization seeped deep into his personal luggage and space

So totally freaking SAD...Prince, at the end, was living in a cold, messy warehouse with no family or friends to help him when he obviously needed help.

Exactly Bod, I also can't imagine that PP always looked like this. This looks like a house of a person who's clearly on a downward spiral. People who were there didn't want to see it. It was on purpose, because they didn't care. I bet they couldn't wait for him to die to grab the money.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Krystalkisses said: