What is an "addiction narrative"? Asking because it seems like an odd term. Will try to explain why with a question, and these examples aren't about anyone in particular.

Is there an "MS narrative" and a "diabetes narrative" and an "epilepsy narrative"? Are these terms things?

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disch said:

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep, nothing at all.

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

Exactly and that's why the Midwest Medical Examiner released a statement back in March 2018 stating "The Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office (MMEO) released all data available to the public regarding the death investigation of Prince Rogers Nelson on June 2, 2016. Under Minnesota law, all other medical examiner data is considered private or nonpublic data. MMEO has not and cannot release any further informationabout this case."

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§13.83

Subd. 8. Access to nonpublic data.

The data made nonpublic by this section are accessible to the physician who attended the decedent at the time of death, the legal representative of the decedent's estate and to the decedent's surviving spouse, parents, children, and siblings and their legal representatives.

Thanks, Pete, for having my back. It is a bit nerve-wracking to post my sincere sentiments on this thread as I feel there is a certain amount of rigidity and dare I say, hostility to differing viewpoints but I have to say no one has directly attacked me. Whew!

Rebeljuice said:

If Prince had some chronic underlying illness that had been diagnosed, then it would have come out in the reports one way or another. There would be a whole medical history and specialist doctors involved. There would also have been legitimate prescripsions found related to any illness.

However, that is not to rule out something undiagnosed. What strikes me as possibly telling is the comment he allegedly made to JH about his hands hurting. Now that could just be from overplaying the piano, both in concert and in practice, but it could point to other things. There are many illnesses that often go undiagnosed that cause joint pain. One of those is called Fibromyalgia. Some doctors do not even recognise it as a real thing. It can be excruciatingly painful and incredibly difficult to diagnose. There is also things like Lupus, Rhumatoid Arthritis and many other types of arthritis. These things can be subtle and painful.

If prince was adverse to seeing doctors, which it seems he was, getting these things checked out may not have been an option for him. Testing for many of these diseases can take months, even years. In many cases they are diagnosed by a process of elimination of other diseases rather than directly observing the disease itself. I know, I have one of them but have yet to get to the bottom of it.

I can see how someone who relies on their hands for their entire existence doing whatever it takes to keep them working. Combined with other aches and pains he had, a one-pill-fixes-all solution may have been the easiest solution.

Having said all that, whatever was going on in his life, he got caught up in an epidemic that is consuming the US and like thousands of people before him, died because of these "miracle" drugs. And until we find a better way of elleviating pain in a less addictive way, or find ways to prevent the addiction itself, many more thousands are going to die from these drugs.

Big pharma today are what tobacco companies were 20 years ago - They are manufacturing drugs that get people hooked and denying the consequences because the income they make is collosal. They are then using chunks of that massive income to lobby government who in turn surround them in a protective shield. Until that cycle gets broken, many more thousands, maybe millions will die in the meantime.

As for Prince, I think he has been on and off opioids for many years. The fact that he was able to kick the habit for a while between stints of falling off the wagon is what made it easy to tell himself he is ok and can kick the habit again.

YES...that was the slippery slope that took him down.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

here is the audio from Crystal Zehetner interview on youtube

Crystal Zehetner

Out of all of them, she is blunt and up front

She mentions hip surgery and knowing he was in pain..

then later...around 11:00

Her voice broke when she said this:

"Quote" He was in a lot of pain..that I knew"

Hurts to know that he was hurting...

I think he thought that he was covering it up pretty well,

so everyone pretended they didnt know...

He looked for help too late....

Didnt Kirk say, somewhere in his sttement that Prince said to him

"I cant kick this?"

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep, nothing at all.

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

bond9 said
Exactly and that's why the Midwest Medical Examiner released a statement back in March 2018 stating "The Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office (MMEO) released all data available to the public regarding the death investigation of Prince Rogers Nelson on June 2, 2016. Under Minnesota law, all other medical examiner data is considered private or nonpublic data. MMEO has not and cannot release any further informationabout this case."

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§13.83

Subd. 8. Access to nonpublic data.

The data made nonpublic by this section are accessible to the physician who attended the decedent at the time of death, the legal representative of the decedent's estate and to the decedent's surviving spouse, parents, children, and siblings and their legal representatives.

I went thru the pictures on zipfile 4 again last night. I'm sorry folks, but PP was a mess. The toilet and floor in his bathroom was disgusting. PP was in dire need of a face lift.

The cars in the garage What a shame. I did notice that the light blue Bentley was registered to PP Enterprises but the Insurance on the Bentley was in Kirk's name.

Sad.

PennyPurple said:

I went thru the pictures on zipfile 4 again last night. I'm sorry folks, but PP was a mess. The toilet and floor in his bathroom was disgusting. PP was in dire need of a face lift.

The cars in the garage What a shame. I did notice that the light blue Bentley was registered to PP Enterprises but the Insurance on the Bentley was in Kirk's name.

Sad.

You're one of the few that paint a more precise picture in regards to his state of mind. Nothing to do with pain. Everything you see and read corresponds with someone who was far more gone than imagined. Keep up the good work.

PennyPurple said:

The CDC is not an agency of the state of Minnseota. I honestly fail to understand how they have anything to do with the state of Minnesota regarding private/public medical examiner data. The investigation files do not contain the private medical examiner data of Prince Rogers Nelson. There is private data but MMEO cannot release the information. Based upon this and from a legal standpoint I believe there is information regarding his health in the data. If the data didn't contain such information MMEO would not have stressed Minnesota law.

disch said:

Yes you’ve repeated this post quite a few times now. - Did you get a chance to look at - the guidelines I linked to from the CDC about how contributing prmsecobdary causes of death can be determined? - - the investigation files? - Curious to hear your thoughts on any of those (or any other documents you feel she’s light on this case) if you’re willing to share/engage

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep, nothing at all.

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

bond9 said Exactly and that's why the Midwest Medical Examiner released a statement back in March 2018 stating "The Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office (MMEO) released all data available to the public regarding the death investigation of Prince Rogers Nelson on June 2, 2016. Under Minnesota law, all other medical examiner data is considered private or nonpublic data. MMEO has not and cannot release any further informationabout this case."

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§13.83

Subd. 8. Access to nonpublic data.

The data made nonpublic by this section are accessible to the physician who attended the decedent at the time of death, the legal representative of the decedent's estate and to the decedent's surviving spouse, parents, children, and siblings and their legal representatives.

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disch said:

Your BFF LR was the biggest pancreatic-cancer theorist on this site. I mean, in between her other various theories that she picked up and dropped seemingly at random. I remember well because she lashed out at me when I expressed skepticism about her sources.

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I'm loath to mention LR at all but I also don't think we should engage in revisionist history.

Mumio said:

Weren't you the one who was pushing the pancreatic cancer theory? Maybe I'm wrong about that......

Yes it caused quite a stir among those clinging on to some (any) illness theory. Ya see, the Nelson family have proven SO trustworthy since his untimely passing

And bondno9 can say whatever about privacy laws. If P had been suffering from terminal cancer, it's unlikely it would be kept secret. With a dead celebrity, info's easily spread and leaks almost certain to happen. Besides, cancer situation would justify taking the palliative substance, fentanyl for sure.

And mumio, you were the one praising the screenshot campaign so you were in with it too.

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PennyPurple said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

I am VERY jealous I didn't write such a kick ass sentence!

Missed you!!!

[Edited 5/30/18 15:06pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

[Wrong person snip - luv4u]

bondno9 said:

rednblue said:

What is an "addiction narrative"? Asking because it seems like an odd term. Will try to explain why with a question, and these examples aren't about anyone in particular.

Is there an "MS narrative" and a "diabetes narrative" and an "epilepsy narrative"? Are these terms things?

[Edited 6/1/18 8:09am]

I think you're being facetious, i think it means drugs/addiction were the one and only cause of P's death. that somewhere along the line he took something, got hooked, couldn't stop himself anymore and od'd.

peggyon said:

Thanks, Pete, for having my back. It is a bit nerve-wracking to post my sincere sentiments on this thread as I feel there is a certain amount of rigidity and dare I say, hostility to differing viewpoints but I have to say no one has directly attacked me. Whew!

that's quite allright, i have thick skin at least online, so it doesn't bother me a bit. They've been beating on me like a pinata, they love it, they high five each other, kiss each others booties, they should all get together for a drink they love each other so much. I don't need all that, I just want my Laura back.

it's still interesting how much of the leaked info was correct huh? the backwords clothes etc.., there are always rats around.

fortuneandserendipity said:

disch said:

Your BFF LR was the biggest pancreatic-cancer theorist on this site. I mean, in between her other various theories that she picked up and dropped seemingly at random. I remember well because she lashed out at me when I expressed skepticism about her sources.

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I'm loath to mention LR at all but I also don't think we should engage in revisionist history.

Yes it caused quite a stir among those clinging on to some (any) illness theory. Ya see, the Nelson family have proven SO trustworthy since his untimely passing

And bondno9 can say whatever about privacy laws. If P had been suffering from terminal cancer, it's unlikely it would be kept secret. With a dead celebrity, info's easily spread and leaks almost certain to happen. Besides, cancer situation would justify taking the palliative substance, fentanyl for sure.

And mumio, you were the one praising the screenshot campaign so you were in with it too.

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BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:

I went thru the pictures on zipfile 4 again last night. I'm sorry folks, but PP was a mess. The toilet and floor in his bathroom was disgusting. PP was in dire need of a face lift.

The cars in the garage What a shame. I did notice that the light blue Bentley was registered to PP Enterprises but the Insurance on the Bentley was in Kirk's name.

Sad.

Can you upload the pic?

ya, upload, one of the reasons i haven't read and seen any all files is because it's been a headache to do on my old Mac, i can't update my mac because i need the software on it and my other laptop has no memory so i'm getting the info as I can. I can't sit in a coffee shop all day reading the shit.

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

Thanks, Pete, for having my back. It is a bit nerve-wracking to post my sincere sentiments on this thread as I feel there is a certain amount of rigidity and dare I say, hostility to differing viewpoints but I have to say no one has directly attacked me. Whew!

that's quite allright, i have thick skin at least online, so it doesn't bother me a bit. They've been beating on me like a pinata, they love it, they high five each other, kiss each others booties, they should all get together for a drink they love each other so much. I don't need all that, I just want my Laura back.

bondno9 said:

The CDC is not an agency of the state of Minnseota. I honestly fail to understand how they have anything to do with the state of Minnesota regarding private/public medical examiner data. The investigation files do not contain the private medical examiner data of Prince Rogers Nelson. There is private data but MMEO cannot release the information. Based upon this and from a legal standpoint I believe there is information regarding his health in the data. If the data didn't contain such information MMEO would not have stressed Minnesota law.

Mumio said:

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

bond9 said Exactly and that's why the Midwest Medical Examiner released a statement back in March 2018 stating "The Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office (MMEO) released all data available to the public regarding the death investigation of Prince Rogers Nelson on June 2, 2016. Under Minnesota law, all other medical examiner data is considered private or nonpublic data. MMEO has not and cannot release any further informationabout this case."

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§13.83

Subd. 8. Access to nonpublic data.

The data made nonpublic by this section are accessible to the physician who attended the decedent at the time of death, the legal representative of the decedent's estate and to the decedent's surviving spouse, parents, children, and siblings and their legal representatives.

[Edited 6/1/18 7:30am]

People apparently don't get HIPAA law either and how it applies here.

disch said:

Pete she’s posting up a storm over on lipstick alley and I’m sure plenty of Facebook pages as well. Seriously you’ve brought her up a lot here and you seem genuinely to miss her. Why not go visit her where she “lives” now rather than talking about her here? PeteSilas said:

that's quite allright, i have thick skin at least online, so it doesn't bother me a bit. They've been beating on me like a pinata, they love it, they high five each other, kiss each others booties, they should all get together for a drink they love each other so much. I don't need all that, I just want my Laura back.

lipstick alley is a sewer and i get get through over there to find her or the prince posts very easily. i have seen some of the posts when i can get through though. nursey is over there too, another one who i never had issue with.

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Lovejunky said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said: Out of all of them, she is blunt and up front

She mentions hip surgery and knowing he was in pain..

then later...around 11:00

Her voice broke when she said this:

"Quote" He was in a lot of pain..that I knew"

Hurts to know that he was hurting...

I think he thought that he was covering it up pretty well,

so everyone pretended they didnt know...

He looked for help too late....

Didnt Kirk say, somewhere in his sttement that Prince said to him

"I cant kick this?"

funny how those minnesotans sound so much like canadians to me.

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Snip - luv4u]

remind me who said that?

[Bait snip - luv4u]

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:

I went thru the pictures on zipfile 4 again last night. I'm sorry folks, but PP was a mess. The toilet and floor in his bathroom was disgusting. PP was in dire need of a face lift.

The cars in the garage What a shame. I did notice that the light blue Bentley was registered to PP Enterprises but the Insurance on the Bentley was in Kirk's name.

Sad.

Can you upload the pic?

I tried last night to post the pic and it wouldn't post.

Please don't quote lipstick alley gossip over here. Thanks.

Please keep this thread on track. Let's not derail the topic, thanks.

luv4u said:

Please don't quote lipstick alley gossip over here. Thanks.

Please keep this thread on track. Let's not derail the topic, thanks.