i'm not saying he didn't various health issues (including ones caused by drug use), but what I don't see is how those contributed to his fatal OD on counterfeit pills. Do you think some other diseases led to his OD somehow?

herb4 said:

disch said:

Right — personally I’m not averse to the idea of him (or anyone) having a serious or terminal illness; I just haven’t seen any evidence that he did,

His physical appearance. The incident on the plane...

Liver problems would not surprise me at all and make perfect sense, given what we know. Not saying it was TERMINAL but the idea that it may have been a PROBLEM fits for me.

PennyPurple said:

MMJas said:

Because there is nothing in the investigation files that suggests it.

Yep, nothing at all.

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

luv4u said:

: barf : =

Thanks luv4u! You run a full service shop here!!!

YES. She really really does. And makes certain to keep an eye on things and people while doing so

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Strawberrylova123 said:

Mumio said:

Excellent. And thank you. There are many who are with you, but can't be bothered dealing with the trolls here to say anything more

Wait..we're the one's who are trolling because we are sticking to the the facts and not making up fan theories so it can fit people's own personal fantasies about prince's life?

Weren't you the one who was pushing the pancreatic cancer theory? Maybe I'm wrong about that......

Mumio said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks luv4u! You run a full service shop here!!!

YES. She really really does. And makes certain to keep an eye on things and people while doing so

Her is on you, also.

The purpose of the investigation was to find the source of his illegal drugs.

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If he had a terminal/dire illness, that WOULD absolutely have something to do with the investigation. It might very well tell us why and even who provided the illegal drugs (perhaps a shady doctor involved treating him for the disease? Perhaps another patient he met?) The idea that no investigator would mention a terminal illness, no warrant would be issue, no attempt would be made to find out when and where he was treated or diagnosed, anywhere in the investigation seems highly unlikely to me.

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Not to mention tht Prince sought help from Dr S for his health concerns in his final month of life, but apparently didn't bother to mention to Dr S that he had a terminal disease, even after agreeing to blood tests and physical examinations (none of which apparently provided a hint to Dr S that Prince was in a terminal/dire state with some disease).

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep, nothing at all.

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

Your BFF LR was the biggest pancreatic-cancer theorist on this site. I mean, in between her other various theories that she picked up and dropped seemingly at random. I remember well because she lashed out at me when I expressed skepticism about her sources.

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I'm loath to mention LR at all but I also don't think we should engage in revisionist history.

Mumio said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Mumio said: Wait..we're the one's who are trolling because we are sticking to the the facts and not making up fan theories so it can fit people's own personal fantasies about prince's life?

Weren't you the one who was pushing the pancreatic cancer theory? Maybe I'm wrong about that......

disch said:

disch said:

The purpose of the investigation was to find the source of his illegal drugs.

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If he had a terminal/dire illness, that WOULD absolutely have something to do with the investigation. It might very well tell us why and even who provided the illegal drugs (perhaps a shady doctor involved treating him for the disease? Perhaps another patient he met?) The idea that no investigator would mention a terminal illness, no warrant would be issue, no attempt would be made to find out when and where he was treated or diagnosed, anywhere in the investigation seems highly unlikely to me.

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Not to mention tht Prince sought help from Dr S for his health concerns in his final month of life, but apparently didn't bother to mention to Dr S that he had a terminal disease, even after agreeing to blood tests and physical examinations (none of which apparently provided a hint to Dr S that Prince was in a terminal/dire state with some disease).

Mumio said:

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

disch: I thought I told you to stop with the logic...

disch said:

The purpose of the investigation was to find the source of his illegal drugs.

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If he had a terminal/dire illness, that WOULD absolutely have something to do with the investigation. It might very well tell us why and even who provided the illegal drugs (perhaps a shady doctor involved treating him for the disease? Perhaps another patient he met?) The idea that no investigator would mention a terminal illness, no warrant would be issue, no attempt would be made to find out when and where he was treated or diagnosed, anywhere in the investigation seems highly unlikely to me.

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Not to mention tht Prince sought help from Dr S for his health concerns in his final month of life, but apparently didn't bother to mention to Dr S that he had a terminal disease, even after agreeing to blood tests and physical examinations (none of which apparently provided a hint to Dr S that Prince was in a terminal/dire state with some disease).

Mumio said:

Because there would be no reason at all to divulge anything else he may have had going on if it wasn't a direct cause of death. The cause of death was a fentanyl overdose. We all know it. The obvious was divulged. Still doesn't mean there wasn't something else going on.

Nope. And I am not gonna argue this out with you.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

YES. She really really does. And makes certain to keep an eye on things and people while doing so

Her is on you, also.

Do look like I am worried about that? Nope. No reason to be.

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Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Her is on you, also.

Do look like I am worried about that? Nope. No reason to be.

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I know, you guys are besties.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Do look like I am worried about that? Nope. No reason to be.

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I know, you guys are besties.

Wait, I thought you and I were besties?

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

I know, you guys are besties.

Wait, I thought you and I were besties?

Yeah, I know and after every dig you took at me, you signed your posts....but I still love you.

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Wait, I thought you and I were besties?

Yeah, I know and after every dig you took at me, you signed your posts....but I still love you.

Hmmmm, now you've confused me.

But that's okay. I still love you too

PennyPurple said:

Mumio said:

Do look like I am worried about that? Nope. No reason to be.

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I know, you guys are besties.

She kicked my azz to the curb recently and snipped me. Besties don't do that to each other.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah, I know and after every dig you took at me, you signed your posts....but I still love you.

Hmmmm, now you've confused me.

But that's okay. I still love you too

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Mumio said:

Hmmmm, now you've confused me.

But that's okay. I still love you too

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thanks sonshine!

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I have to admit: I'm not sure why I'm still in this thread. I honestely don't know why, 2 years after the fact, I still feel some kind of need to continue talking about this (and admittedly, rehashing the same stuff we've all picked apart ad nauseum).

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If I being perfectly honest: I think I might feel like if I stop talking about it, that means it's over. Done. And he's just dead and that's the way it is and will always be.

sonshine said:

I agree Luv4U is grrrreat! Plus, shout out to Bod and Disch for hanging in here Oh heck, you're all more or less great

disch said:

thanks sonshine!

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I have to admit: I'm not sure why I'm still in this thread. I honestely don't know why, 2 years after the fact, I still feel some kind of need to continue talking about this (and admittedly, rehashing the same stuff we've all picked apart ad nauseum).

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If I being perfectly honest: I think I might feel like if I stop talking about it, that means it's over. Done. And he's just dead and that's the way it is and will always be.

sonshine said:

I agree Luv4U is grrrreat! Plus, shout out to Bod and Disch for hanging in here Oh heck, you're all more or less great

Thanks from me too Sonshine....and disch...so moving...that's how I feel too. I keep writing RIP about Prince...but part of me doesn't want him resting forever...a big part of me wants him back. Comeback.

here is the audio from Crystal Zehetner interview on youtube

Crystal Zehetner

disch said:

thanks sonshine!

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I have to admit: I'm not sure why I'm still in this thread. I honestely don't know why, 2 years after the fact, I still feel some kind of need to continue talking about this (and admittedly, rehashing the same stuff we've all picked apart ad nauseum).

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If I being perfectly honest: I think I might feel like if I stop talking about it, that means it's over. Done. And he's just dead and that's the way it is and will always be.

sonshine said:

I agree Luv4U is grrrreat! Plus, shout out to Bod and Disch for hanging in here Oh heck, you're all more or less great

SAME

If Prince had some chronic underlying illness that had been diagnosed, then it would have come out in the reports one way or another. There would be a whole medical history and specialist doctors involved. There would also have been legitimate prescripsions found related to any illness.

However, that is not to rule out something undiagnosed. What strikes me as possibly telling is the comment he allegedly made to JH about his hands hurting. Now that could just be from overplaying the piano, both in concert and in practice, but it could point to other things. There are many illnesses that often go undiagnosed that cause joint pain. One of those is called Fibromyalgia. Some doctors do not even recognise it as a real thing. It can be excruciatingly painful and incredibly difficult to diagnose. There is also things like Lupus, Rhumatoid Arthritis and many other types of arthritis. These things can be subtle and painful.

If prince was adverse to seeing doctors, which it seems he was, getting these things checked out may not have been an option for him. Testing for many of these diseases can take months, even years. In many cases they are diagnosed by a process of elimination of other diseases rather than directly observing the disease itself. I know, I have one of them but have yet to get to the bottom of it.

I can see how someone who relies on their hands for their entire existence doing whatever it takes to keep them working. Combined with other aches and pains he had, a one-pill-fixes-all solution may have been the easiest solution.

Having said all that, whatever was going on in his life, he got caught up in an epidemic that is consuming the US and like thousands of people before him, died because of these "miracle" drugs. And until we find a better way of elleviating pain in a less addictive way, or find ways to prevent the addiction itself, many more thousands are going to die from these drugs.

Big pharma today are what tobacco companies were 20 years ago - They are manufacturing drugs that get people hooked and denying the consequences because the income they make is collosal. They are then using chunks of that massive income to lobby government who in turn surround them in a protective shield. Until that cycle gets broken, many more thousands, maybe millions will die in the meantime.

As for Prince, I think he has been on and off opioids for many years. The fact that he was able to kick the habit for a while between stints of falling off the wagon is what made it easy to tell himself he is ok and can kick the habit again.

RJP1205 said:

PeteSilas said:

i told you peggy, they'll carve you up like a thanksgiving turkey.

Lol! Pete, I enjoy your posts. I was shaking my head yesterday thinking everybody got sprayed with chemtrails before they came on here! I personally don't think Prince had a terminal illness but I am not gonna be like a bully on a playground to anyone who has a different opinion. This site would be pretty boring if we all thought the same thing on every topic.

Wow, those chemtrails might have affected your reading skills, cause all I saw was people replying there nos nothing in the investigation files that suggested an ilness, and actually a member stating she was not averse to him having an ilness, just did not any clues to an ilness in the files. So i really don't understand Pete's comment, as if Peggy got her head ripped off...

Strawberrylova123 said:

here is the audio from Crystal Zehetner interview on youtube

Crystal Zehetner

Thanks. It's quite telling...

"The most important thing now is to get him out of the house". I wish they had done what she suggested. This seems to mean tha she knew he had stuff in the house so they should get him away from it.

Her vagueness in that sentence makes me think it implies to more than just drugs. (Though drugs were definitely a part of what she was referring to). I think it might also mean his self-imposed isolation and bubble. Paisley Park was a massive double edged sword...at times, a place of music, creativity, humor and fellowship and at other times, a crutch and psychological prison where Prince obsessed, overworked, popped pills, and dwelled too much in his own demons and delusions.. Part of the reason the Celebrations and Museum like environment of the place now seems so tacky or wrong-minded to me.. Its like they are trying to make Paisley look like sunshine and lolipops rather than the complicated place that it was and the "crime" scene (For lack of a better phrase) that it became. I don't know maybe people are just not wanting to look at the tragic flip side of that coin.

MMJas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

here is the audio from Crystal Zehetner interview on youtube

Crystal ...

Thanks. It's quite telling...

"The most important thing now is to get him out of the house". I wish they had done what she suggested. This seems to mean tha she knew he had stuff in the house so they should get him away from it.

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It is interesting that Crystal did not mention Andy Allo as someone the detective should speak with since she was supposedly intimate with P at this time.

rednblue said:

peggyon said:

I have been away for a few days and wanted to clarify my sentiments. I do in fact, feel Prince had a serious addiction to opiates. This may have been an intermittent issue for him for many years. In my opinion, there is no shame in this. He had so little support and love from his family as a child and young adult and was still able to lead an extraordinary life. I think one of his greatests traits was his courage. His cousin Chazz said in one of his early interviews, he was concerned that Prince was out there on his own. How stressful it must have been to "cross-over" to a larger audience, to play in massive stadiums in his early to mid-20's, to continually open himself to critiques both from critics and fans, to deal with the vississitudes of fame etc., I think the opiates offered comfort and relief both emotionally and physically.

I have no "horse in this race" as to how he died. I personally think he had a serious addiction as well as an underlying health "issue".( There was a profile photo of Prince wearing his Prince cap, sitting on his piano bench during one of his P&M tours. He was smiling but alarmingly skeletal. It looked like he was missing one of his molars as well.) That is the photo which solidified my "take" on his condition.

I have read the investigative results from start to finish and also know that we have been given superficial information re: the autopsy results.

I would just like to gently suggest that we are open to the idea that he was dealing with something more difficult than addiction alone. I see this stance as a sign of respect for a man who was stoic and private and would never have shared his vulnerabilties with us.

IMHO we need to be patient as the truth comes out in dribs and drabs, much like panning for gold; there will be little nuggets of information that feel "true" over time. And,I would not look to the family for the truth.

We are all frustrated and craving closure and as a reult I am concerned we are coming to early conclusions. I seem to have a need to understand the man in his entirety and do not feel I am there yet.

It's always possible that a person can have multiple serious conditions, especially as we get older. Also, health conditions can affect the potential for other health conditions. For example, as I mentioned before, addiction makes diagnosis with other conditions more likely, and it can affect the course and treatment of other conditions. Vice versa to all that, as well. I noted how I think there are comments in document interviews that might lead doctors to investigate the possibility of depression diagnosis.

People often have multiple conditions with varying degrees of seriousness. I do think it's important to consider the information in the investigation documents re: descriptions of medical reports and other things that may shed light.

I think it's possible that Prince had another serious condition. Also, I think it's worth asking something. If the story went that a person died from a different serious medical condition, like cancer or a heart attack, would people find the story so unsatisfactory? Would they feel as much of a need for a larger story, for information about other medical conditions the person may have had? Why or why not?

Peggyon, I really appreciate your way with words, and I honestly don't want to be difficult. I, myself, am usually curious about larger stories. Very likely more so than you.I often want to know them. For better or worse, I'm "nosy." : ) I'm just asking if the story were different, would there be the same degree of dissatisfaction and longing for more?

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Peggyon, Because of Pete's comment, I want to say I hope I didn't upset you.

I am like you in being curious to hear more of people's stories. As long as people in general stay away from the false and destructive idea that there is a binary of good and bad people (or, to describe it another way, wanting a person to be one of "these" people vs. one of "those" people), I think larger stories very often humanize people (not a surprise, given that a binary of human nature is false), and I think that's a good thing.