CooperC62057 said:

herb4 said:

Wait...are you calling ME an asshole? If so, guilty as charged on occassion. But I haven't been banned.

Oh, wait. No. I got you now. I think.

I'd say the forums are better overall that she's gone. She dominated every discussion, set every tone for every thread and was like a person at a party that wouldn't shut the fuck up no matter what the topic or whether she knew the knew the first thing about it. I THOUGHT the forums seemed less idiotic, spastic, obnoxious and slightly more chill but I couldn't put my finger on it, but now it makes sense. And to whoever said "don't pick on someone on someone who's not here to defend herself"...

Jesus Christ.

She damn near made a fucking CAREER out of posting insufferable noise 24/7 and had constant opportunies to "defend" herself from the deserved blowback she recieved. A lot of which was from from me. Like, how much of an obnoxious shitposter and how large does the signal to noise have to get before you get BANNED from this fucking place? Assuming that's what happened. Maybe I'll find out since I talk a lot of shit. I wouldn't worry about her. She can probably find a job in the Trump cabinet.

Moving on...

Prince grew addicted to painkillers over time, may or may not have had a liver problem that affected his appearance and health towards the end (I buy this theory) , and accidentally overdosed on some counterfeit pills that he didn't know were "laced" or "hot" and that he likely procured through nefarious means; probably througha trusted friend. It wasn't his fault and nobody intentionally murdered him.

He refused help and was left alone because that's how Prince fucking was and what he wanted. He always made his own rules and if you didn't follow them you were right out of his Paisley Planet. Period. He wasn't a "junkie" in any traditional or binary sense and, in all likelihood, his addiction grew very gradually over time. Doesn't make him weak, pathetic, a hypocrite, a loser or tarnish his legacy ONE BIT, no matter what your personal feelings about drug usage or anecdotal evidence to their obvious drawbacks. He accomplished more in 5 years than I have in my enitre lifetime and, IMO, shame on anyone who has to do mental backflips, self rationalize and seek out made up mysteries, conspiracies and "unanswered questions!!!" to make his death fit their predetermined worldview of who is and who is not a "hero" or a "loser" or whatever it is you think "righteous people" do. Or should do.

He lived human and he died human. Like we all do. Some of you folks here need to check yourself and realize he was just a man.

This. Before the ME released the Fentanyl overdose, I prayed that the cause of death would not come back as an opioid overdose and was crushed when it did. Having lived with and through the experience of a family member with an opioid addiction (who is now 3 years into recovery), I’ve seen first hand the devastation and effects of opioid addiction on the substance abuser and those close to them and I can tell you it is extremely difficult for everyone involved. I was devastated because in my mind, Prince was not just a “man” ..... he was my idol, and idols can do no wrong - they are perfect. So, slowly, reality set in. Some will disagree, but reading Mayte’s book humanized Prince for me - in my world I had fallen for all of the mystery he had created around himself and reading her story helped to lift that veil and bring me to the reality that he was a person just like any of us. That being said, early on I posted many times about addiction and became intimidated by LR’s constant badgering to the point that I stopped engaging in conversation here. I never left though, and know all of you by your “user names” and thoroughly enjoy reading the threads and watching the interaction. I just want to say that in my experience of dealing with the family member and through that, interacting with many other addicts, depression is extremely common. Look, these are good people who got caught up in something that they never intended. They didn’t wake up and think that today they are going to become an addict. Many begin this journey from physical pain of some degree. And, I believe that Prince was “old school” and in his mind, was not using “drugs” but using “medication”. Unfortunately, opioids don’t allow you to just stop and therein lies the “addiction”. Opioids cause thought processes to change - ask any addict in recovery and they will tell you stories of things they can’t recall clearly (even if they were functional), stories of how their reasoning was not always cognitive, how their pain actually increased and how LONG it took them to stand up and say I am an addict. Because in their mind, they are not. And those around them. Let me tell you, they go through it. Crazy, unexplainable behaviors which, especially if you have no hard evidence, leave you questioning if it’s your imagination gone wild because this is not “drug use” like you’ve been conditioned to expect. There is no “high off your ass” as LR used to describe it. It’s subtle and deceiving. They can appear totally normal. It’s in the unusual behavior and thought processes. Many dealing with this convince themselves that it can’t be drug related, that it must be a behavioral disorder like anxiety, depression, etc. My family member had me convinced he was bipolar. And for many they become enablers because they are trying to help and out of love. Others because they are in denial. I will say though, based on the photos and inventory of items found in Princes personal space, all the signs were there of his addiction and someone absolutely KNEW the truth. Whether they were in denial in their own minds, I cannot say and why they hadn’t reached the point where reality stepped in and they said no more will probably never be known. They did him no favors and assisted in his death. I look at the photos of Prince in his last months and can see it - that, is addiction. He had lost weight, his fro was unkempt, his makeup was sloppy, the clothes were somber and simple. I question if the man was bathing regularly - because, to be frank, personal hygeiene becomes unimportant. Honestly take a look at him - this was a man who was impeccable over his hair, make-up and style his entire life. And for the depression, yes, I’m sure he was. I believe when associates made the statements about the “whole story” it was in reference to something that may have happened in his personal life that we are not privy to. Who knows what that may be - Prince was coming into an age of reflection where people his age were passing away and you begin to look back as much as you look forward. It is a humbling time, and not all memories leave you feeling good about yourself. Combine that with his own realization of his addiction, although he probably denied it to others - those are some heavy realizations. I also just want to say that the ER doctor asked the question if he wanted to kill himself because a statement had been made, I believe by Judith, about depression. Doctors will routinely ask that question. If he had said yes, they would have held him involuntarily. If he had ever overdosed previously, he would have known that and would have said no because he was aware of that possibility. My family member announced to the doctor in ER that he wanted to kill himself and was immediately admitted to a facility after discharge from the ER. Sorry for the long post, just releasing my thoughts. Prince will still be my favorite artist of all time, I will remember the music; the performances and the entertainment but his passing will always be a reminder of the pain and sorrow of addiction and the reality of the end result.

Thank you for sharing and your insight.

RJP1205 said:

PeteSilas said:

i told you peggy, they'll carve you up like a thanksgiving turkey.

Lol! Pete, I enjoy your posts. I was shaking my head yesterday thinking everybody got sprayed with chemtrails before they came on here! I personally don't think Prince had a terminal illness but I am not gonna be like a bully on a playground to anyone who has a different opinion. This site would be pretty boring if we all thought the same thing on every topic.

You have opinions and then you have FACTS. For 2 years it's been nothing but opinions, .. he was murdered, poisoned, cancer, suicide, etc. We have FACTS now. We are trying to stick to the FACTS....or at least SOME of us are.

fortuneandserendipity said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

how come he was taken OUT of the elevator BEFORE he was photographed dead?

This has been discussed a lot. He was brought out of the elevator by the first responder (I believe the fire department guy) because they needed space to attempt the resuscitation efforts on him (which were futile, of course, because his heart had been stopped for a while at that point). It's described in the investigation docs.

luvsexy4all said:

how come he was taken OUT of the elevator BEFORE he was photographed dead?

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

RJP1205 said:

PeteSilas said: Lol! Pete, I enjoy your posts. I was shaking my head yesterday thinking everybody got sprayed with chemtrails before they came on here! I personally don't think Prince had a terminal illness but I am not gonna be like a bully on a playground to anyone who has a different opinion. This site would be pretty boring if we all thought the same thing on every topic.

You have opinions and then you have FACTS. For 2 years it's been nothing but opinions, .. he was murdered, poisoned, cancer, suicide, etc. We have FACTS now. We are trying to stick to the FACTS....or at least SOME of us are.

But another aspect of being able to mull over the FACTS, AND enjoy and learn from each other and some recent very generous and informative posts is that we can do it without someone who shall not be named screeching at everyone that "he wasn't high out of his ass" every 10 minutes as if that was received truth from God. People are really opening up and sharing more and having some GREAT conversations. For whatever reasons the bullying has been addressed: THANKS MODS!!! xoxoxo

disch said:

Huh? I knew he allegedly posted here but how do you know specific threads? Do you know the screen name he used (one of the orgs eternal mysteries)? fortuneandserendipity said:

I never would have thought P bothered with this site, but like you say he was probably lonelier than people imagine. Hearsay indicates he was here quite a lot. He even appeared on one of Tame's infamous 'poem' (ode to Prince) threads. haha

If it is who I think it is, both TheNewWatcher2 and TheNewWatcher are Prince.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

You have opinions and then you have FACTS. For 2 years it's been nothing but opinions, .. he was murdered, poisoned, cancer, suicide, etc. We have FACTS now. We are trying to stick to the FACTS....or at least SOME of us are.

But another aspect of being able to mull over the FACTS, AND enjoy and learn from each other and some recent very generous and informative posts is that we can do it without someone who shall not be named screeching at everyone that "he wasn't high out of his ass" every 10 minutes as if that was received truth from God. People are really opening up and sharing more and having some GREAT conversations. For whatever reasons the bullying has been addressed: THANKS MODS!!! xoxoxo

I am enjoying mostly civil discussions.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

He lived human and he died human. Like we all do. Some of you folks here need to check yourself and realize he was just a man.

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

I am VERY jealous I didn't write such a kick ass sentence!

Missed you!!!

[Edited 5/30/18 15:06pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

You have opinions and then you have FACTS. For 2 years it's been nothing but opinions, .. he was murdered, poisoned, cancer, suicide, etc. We have FACTS now. We are trying to stick to the FACTS....or at least SOME of us are.

But another aspect of being able to mull over the FACTS, AND enjoy and learn from each other and some recent very generous and informative posts is that we can do it without someone who shall not be named screeching at everyone that "he wasn't high out of his ass" every 10 minutes as if that was received truth from God. People are really opening up and sharing more and having some GREAT conversations. For whatever reasons the bullying has been addressed: THANKS MODS!!! xoxoxo

laura wasn't no bully, i never got bullied by her or never interpreted as that although we used to disagree a lot before Prince died. What I liked about laura was that; my head is overfull with Prince trivia, I can't even remember most of it, somehow laura could and did and would remind me where to find something, and as I said, I like anyone who has heart, laura had heart, even though it was wrong sometimes and dull sometimes. I couldn't dislike her.

naw, he wasn't murdered, i highly, highly doubt it but it possible in some twisted way. If he'd pissed one of his own people off enough to get some pills, leave them around knowing he couldn't resist, that would be one way. However, I found it interesting that all those pills were left there, that was very interesting, why didn't kirk & co. get rid of all that stuff? that is how it almost always is with drug deaths, people get rid of the evidence, they left it everywhere, kind of unusual.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

I am VERY jealous I didn't write such a kick ass sentence!

Missed you!!!

[Edited 5/30/18 15:06pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

fortuneandserendipity said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

I am VERY jealous I didn't write such a kick ass sentence!

Missed you!!!

[Edited 5/30/18 15:06pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

How come there isn't a barf emogi here?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

[Snip - luv4u]

How come there isn't a barf emogi here?

: barf : =

luv4u said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

How come there isn't a barf emogi here?

: barf : =

Thanks luv4u! You run a full service shop here!!!

Actually, no.

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Hipaa laws provide exceptions for criminal investigations (you can read about those here). Hipaa covered entities are allowed (and in the case of a court order like subpoena, required) to provide private medical info to law enforcement. That's why Prince's investigators got all kinds of info from doctors and from medical records.

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And since Minnesota makes records from closed investigations public, that's how we've all seen lots of "private" medical info about prince at this point (for example, info directly from Dr S about Prince having mild anemia and his specific blood pressure).

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Nowhere in the 200+ pages of the invesigation report is there any mention of a terminal disease. That inclues the Dr S interview, which was unredacted, and the investigator's documentation of a discussion with the medical examiner (also unredacted), where she only discussed drug levels.

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If there had been a terminal illness, that would have undoubtedly triggered an investigative response as that could have been a big clue to where he got his illegal drugs. But there's nothing in the investigation docs AT ALL that indicate anything like that -- no interview, no warrrant, etc.

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Finally, the idea that the medical examiner would definitely not consider a terminal illness a contributing cause of death is not true. It very well could be; read the CDC medical examiner handbook for more.

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So to say that it's all just "speculation" and we have absolutely no idea is not true. There's information within all the investigation documents that gives us a lot of insight. Have you had a chance to read any of those documents?

bondno9 said:

The HIPAA Privacy Rule applies to the individually identifiable health information of a decedent for 50 years following the date of death of the individual.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

luv4u said:

: barf : =

Thanks luv4u! You run a full service shop here!!!

PeteSilas said:

what never made sense to LR or I was that he kept the mask from slipping well enough that most of us knew nothing about the drug abuse, that's not easy to do, it just isn't.

You'd be surprised. Thing is, you only ever hear about the tragic cases that end badly. I know you're knee deep in the "Drugs are evil and bad" camp and have some weird ideas about Prince's death relating to that, but you seem to center your entire opinion of the subject around your personal experience and the shit that went on with your family. Not all drug users or addicts are like that. You probably know at least one or two and don't suspect a thing.

Also, and not for nothing, but if you somehow managed to get banned TWICE from this site, maybe some self reflection is in order and you should check yourself a bit and figure out how that happened. I shoot off my mouth a lot around here, talk some shit on occasion, call out bullshit when I read it and catch a warning every so often but this website, by and large, gives folks a pretty wide berth.

herb4 said:

PeteSilas said:

what never made sense to LR or I was that he kept the mask from slipping well enough that most of us knew nothing about the drug abuse, that's not easy to do, it just isn't.

You'd be surprised. Thing is, you only ever hear about the tragic cases that end badly. I know you're knee deep in the "Drugs are evil and bad" camp and have some weird ideas about Prince's death relating to that, but you seem to center your entire opinion of the subject around your personal experience and the shit that went on with your family. Not all drug users or addicts are like that. You probably know at least one or two and don't suspect a thing.

Also, and not for nothing, but if you somehow managed to get banned TWICE from this site, maybe some self reflection is in order and you should check yourself a bit and figure out how that happened. I shoot off my mouth a lot around here, talk some shit on occasion, call out bullshit when I read it and catch a warning every so often but this website, by and large, gives folks a pretty wide berth.

co-sign

disch said:

Right — personally I’m not averse to the idea of him (or anyone) having a serious or terminal illness; I just haven’t seen any evidence that he did,

His physical appearance. The incident on the plane...

Liver problems would not surprise me at all and make perfect sense, given what we know. Not saying it was TERMINAL but the idea that it may have been a PROBLEM fits for me.

Thanks disch, for explaining it again. I don't know why people don't get it.

disch said:

Actually, no.

-

Hipaa laws provide exceptions for criminal investigations (you can read about those here). Hipaa covered entities are allowed (and in the case of a court order like subpoena, required) to provide private medical info to law enforcement. That's why Prince's investigators got all kinds of info from doctors and from medical records.

-

And since Minnesota makes records from closed investigations public, that's how we've all seen lots of "private" medical info about prince at this point (for example, info directly from Dr S about Prince having mild anemia and his specific blood pressure).

-

Nowhere in the 200+ pages of the invesigation report is there any mention of a terminal disease. That inclues the Dr S interview, which was unredacted, and the investigator's documentation of a discussion with the medical examiner (also unredacted), where she only discussed drug levels.

-

If there had been a terminal illness, that would have undoubtedly triggered an investigative response as that could have been a big clue to where he got his illegal drugs. But there's nothing in the investigation docs AT ALL that indicate anything like that -- no interview, no warrrant, etc.

-

Finally, the idea that the medical examiner would definitely not consider a terminal illness a contributing cause of death is not true. It very well could be; read the CDC medical examiner handbook for more.

-

So to say that it's all just "speculation" and we have absolutely no idea is not true. There's information within all the investigation documents that gives us a lot of insight. Have you had a chance to read any of those documents?

bondno9 said:

The HIPAA Privacy Rule applies to the individually identifiable health information of a decedent for 50 years following the date of death of the individual.

peggyon said:

I have been away for a few days and wanted to clarify my sentiments. I do in fact, feel Prince had a serious addiction to opiates. This may have been an intermittent issue for him for many years. In my opinion, there is no shame in this. He had so little support and love from his family as a child and young adult and was still able to lead an extraordinary life. I think one of his greatests traits was his courage. His cousin Chazz said in one of his early interviews, he was concerned that Prince was out there on his own. How stressful it must have been to "cross-over" to a larger audience, to play in massive stadiums in his early to mid-20's, to continually open himself to critiques both from critics and fans, to deal with the vississitudes of fame etc., I think the opiates offered comfort and relief both emotionally and physically.

I have no "horse in this race" as to how he died. I personally think he had a serious addiction as well as an underlying health "issue".( There was a profile photo of Prince wearing his Prince cap, sitting on his piano bench during one of his P&M tours. He was smiling but alarmingly skeletal. It looked like he was missing one of his molars as well.) That is the photo which solidified my "take" on his condition.

I have read the investigative results from start to finish and also know that we have been given superficial information re: the autopsy results.

I would just like to gently suggest that we are open to the idea that he was dealing with something more difficult than addiction alone. I see this stance as a sign of respect for a man who was stoic and private and would never have shared his vulnerabilties with us.

IMHO we need to be patient as the truth comes out in dribs and drabs, much like panning for gold; there will be little nuggets of information that feel "true" over time. And,I would not look to the family for the truth.

We are all frustrated and craving closure and as a reult I am concerned we are coming to early conclusions. I seem to have a need to understand the man in his entirety and do not feel I am there yet.

Excellent. And thank you. There are many who are with you, but can't be bothered dealing with the trolls here to say anything more

peggyon said:

These are just my intuitions.

Just to play Devil's Advocate: Why are so many adamantly opposed to the suggestion of an underlying health issue? I feel it is very emotionally-laden here.

Because they want to push the drug addict theory as far as possible. No questions allowed about anything else although it's pretty clear the truth STILL isn't out there. Crystal clear when you see what they say and it's been that way since the start. Lol, you'd think these people had money invested on the addiction story.

Mumio said:

PeteSilas said:

Laura used to really get on my nerves years ago, you couldn't say anything honestly critical about P without her rushing to his defense. But I learned to like her and respect her and don't we all wish we had a ride or die motherfucker in our lives? I don't and I'm smart enough to know it. Those kinds are rare, good bad or indifferent.

Lol Pete. You are the only man here who wasn't intimidated nor verbally thrashed on more than one occasion by her. Many of the haters are men who feel emasculated. Rightfully so lol. So emasculated that they decided laura is a man when she is most definitely a woman. More the shame by the beat down lol.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Mumio said:

Excellent. And thank you. There are many who are with you, but can't be bothered dealing with the trolls here to say anything more

Wait..we're the one's who are trolling because we are sticking to the the facts and not making up fan theories so it can fit people's own personal fantasies about prince's life?

Yep. Now you're gettin it.

The majority of posters here are tolerant of other's ideas, it's just a select few who enjoy bullying others

PeteSilas said:

peggyon said:

These are just my intuitions.

Just to play Devil's Advocate: Why are so many adamantly opposed to the suggestion of an underlying health issue? I feel it is very emotionally-laden here.

it's group think, be careful they'll jump your bones peggy.