fortuneandserendipity said:

Mumio said:

But Mumio , you shook your head in disagreement when I remarked, referring to a previous thread, you and a couple others were supportive of the terminal illness theory.

Opinions are based on evidence, not facts. The evidence strongly suggests P developed some health issues from being an opiate user. Further, if people actually research the harm often done to the body from taking opiates long term, then maybe they can get off the terminal illness wagon. Watch all the Dr Drew videos, as he's consistent on the opiate subject. And, as I recall, Dr Drew 'drew' special attention to the parasympathetic/digestive issues. I'm confident in 28 years nothing else will come to light.

Go blab away to someone who wants to hear it. I want nothing to do with you.

rednblue said:

I agree that whether P had an additional serious, or even terminal, medical condition is something we don't know with certainty.

That said, for people thinking about this idea and/or struggling to reconcile "hero" and "addiction," it might help to remember that addiction can have big effects on many medical conditions.

Addiction can make people more vulnerable to acquiring other conditions in the first place (and vice versa, of course). In addition to making other diagnoses more likely, addiction can affect course and treatment.

Some of this is probably obvious, e.g., toll of substances on organs. Some maybe not so obvious, e.g., opiates interact significantly with the immune system.

So allowing that we don't know for sure, I'm still at the place of what I said before (and thank you for the cosign, 206Michelle):

The culture's old, tired, stigma-laden ideas make it painful for some to put "addiction" and "hero" in the same space.

In truth, most medical conditions result from a combination of interacting factors. Alongside predisposition and environment, there are personal choices.

Addiction in particular is saddled with simplistic notions of character flaws and longing for a binary of good people and bad people.

Reality is nuanced. Equating medical conditions with character flaws is false and destructive.

May I also add that addiction is a medical condition in and of itself, and it requires treatment just like other medical conditions.

peggyon said:

Yes, we have been allowed some information, but my concern is that we are rushing to judgment based on limited knowedge.The investigative results are relatively new to us and I feel that emotions are running high.

I am asking that we slow down and use language that is more open and tolerant of other voices.

Prince and his family were/are masters of obfuscation. Knowing this about them, let's be a little more

patient and see what unfolds.

Can we forsee additional reputable information that will, in the near future, shed more light on Prince's death?

206Michelle said:

peggyon said:

Yes, we have been allowed some information, but my concern is that we are rushing to judgment based on limited knowedge.The investigative results are relatively new to us and I feel that emotions are running high.

I am asking that we slow down and use language that is more open and tolerant of other voices.

Prince and his family were/are masters of obfuscation. Knowing this about them, let's be a little more

patient and see what unfolds.

Can we forsee additional reputable information that will, in the near future, shed more light on Prince's death?

Not unless, IMO, he comes back and tells us himself how it went down.

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:

Yes, we have been allowed some information, but my concern is that we are rushing to judgment based on limited knowedge.The investigative results are relatively new to us and I feel that emotions are running high.

I am asking that we slow down and use language that is more open and tolerant of other voices.

Prince and his family were/are masters of obfuscation. Knowing this about them, let's be a little more

patient and see what unfolds.

Peggyon you really have been the voice of reason throughout this thread. I wonder if the rumors of opioid use and cocaine off and on for a quarter century is true how much that may have damaged his liver. I just don't understand how someone could use that stuff for so long and it not adversely affect your health. Maybe the weight loss could be explained due to some kind of damage to his liver. I do have the feeling he felt like he was on borrowed time in 2016.

Hmm, that's an interesting thought about liver damage.

.......

I'm not a physician and I didn't know Prince, so I can't possibly diagnose him with anything. However, I do wonder if I he was experiencing depression during the last months of his life. See excerpts from the AP article below.

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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — After Prince had to be revived from a drug overdose a week before his death, one friend told the musical superstar that he needed to stop taking painkillers. But Prince said he couldn’t — his hands hurt so much that if he quit, he’d have to stop performing.

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“This piano tour I think was getting to his hands,” singer Judith Hill told investigators, according to a transcript of her interview.

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Johnson and Hill were on Prince’s plane when he overdosed on the way back from an April 14, 2016, concert in Atlanta. Hill said that Prince told her he was depressed, enjoyed sleeping more than usual and was incredibly bored. He told her after his show that he thought he was going to fall asleep on stage.

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Source:

Investigation says Prince was isolated, addicted and in pain

By The Associated Press April 20, 2018 6:31 pm

https://wtop.com/national/2018/04/as-princes-health-waned-alarm-grew-in-inner-circle/

.......

Whether there was another underlying condition that lead to his death doesn't matter to me. I would like to know the truth as to why he died. As of right now, I accept that he had an addiction to painkillers and died from accidental fentanyl ingestion, until compelling evidence tells me otherwise.

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Depression and addiction (to painkillers, in Prince’s case), while distinct conditions, are often comorbid. Again, I'm not trying to diagnose him with anything, but just trying to share some information.

Here are some sources regarding comorbidity between depression/mood disorders and addiction.

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"Comorbidity: Addiction and Other Mental Illnesses", Research Report Series, National Institute for Drug Addiction

Link: https://www.drugabuse.gov...bidity.pdf

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Brady, K.T., and Verduin, M.L. Pharmacotherapy of comorbid mood, anxiety, and substance use disorders. Subst Use Misuse 40:2021–2041; 2043–2048, 2005.

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Conway, K.P.; Compton, W.; Stinson, F.S.; and Grant, B.F. Lifetime comorbidity of DSM-IV mood and anxiety disorders and specific drug use disorders: Results from the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions. J Clin Psychiatry 67(2):247–257, 2006.

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Quello, S.B.; Brady, K.T.; and Sonne, S.C. Mood disorders and substance abuse disorders: A complex comorbidity. Science & Practic

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Volkow, N.D. The reality of comorbidity: Depression and drug abuse. Biol Psychiatry 56(10):714– 717, 2004.

Krystalkisses said:

rednblue said:

As far as documents released...

I think it's reasonable to say there may be evidence pointing to possibility of depression, and depression can be a serious condition.

I .

Im glad you said this. Depression and substance abuse are often conditions that coexist together.

Others have also been wondering about the possibility of depression, as shown above.

[Edited 5/29/18 20:22pm]

206Michelle said:

Krystalkisses said:

rednblue said: Im glad you said this. Depression and substance abuse are often conditions that coexist together.

Others have also been wondering about the possibility of depression, as shown above.

[Edited 5/29/18 20:22pm]

Glad to see flashes of insight, intelligence and reality here, always appreciated. I have lost track of how many times I was attacked, scoffed at and scorned here for suggesting he was self-medicating his DEPRESSION with pain meds because OPIOIDS work so efficiently and almost instantly to relieve DEPRESSION, ANXIETY and STRESS. It gave him instant relief from his self-inflicted life-long mania for control. Sorry for shouting.

Stop effing with Pete!!!

Y'all sound condescending because Pete has has a different viewpoint than you.

Lawdy.

None of us know the truth anymore.

We have been handed nothing but lies.

Its no wonder people are confused

DEPRESSION< ANXIETY<STRESS and PHYSICAL PAIN can all become intermingled. I don't recall anyone attacking you for those first three possible Prince issues. If I was harsh, it was for other things that I considered to be harsh generalizations.

MUSIC was ultimately what he was addicted to..the drugs were a symptom of that in my opinion. Music was his panacea (for better and for worse) and if he was unable to do it as well as he thought he needed to, his other emotional issues were intensified due to (I believe) a fear that the one constant in his life (MUSIC) would have to end in order to attend to the other issues. Scary prospect. I do think there were physical issues. He didn't look as though those physical issues were holding him back entirely (..although he did elimate certain things like splits and eventually guitar playing) , but that is what the drugs partly were for. Even he stated in a much older interview, that his physical pains werent as bad on stage due to the energy and endorphins. Its in the limo on the way home after playing all day that his leg would stiffen and all sorts of pains (physical and probably emotional) set in. Many artists complain of the depression after performance is done. Add physical pain to that and its almost unbearable. Its only people ignoring the physicality and constant work ethics of his 40 years in the limelight who act as those physical pains was not there. a body can only take so much. He may have only really complained to that doctor on the 20th about tingling in his hands and legs and painful hands...but the week before his hip was bothering him. (prince seemed most concerned with pains that interfered with his piano and microphone performances.) Most of us can attend to those physical pains by taking it easy and reclining in our easy chairs...he never allowed himself that option. MUSIC was a double edged sword. But I must reinterate, it wasn't all bleak..There were many fun moments in PRince's life in the last 20 years--and ignoring those humor times and funny stories is a disservice to the man. In the right situations, the man could really enjoy himself. He was a funny charismatic man in many ways despite all of his issues. He didn't just have one bleak personality. He had many personalities. He had bursts of happiness, humor, and fun--he just didn't seem to have a consistent sense of contentment..And that is a whole other thing.

As for control issues, my dad is a control freak...he is a good-hearted man but a control freak. But his childhood was eratic and his siblings and parents feel into alchohol and drug abuse. His dad was a prideful Catholic WWII veteran and his mom was eratic and tempermantal. Two brothers died from alchoholism. Everyone was poor. My dad wanted more with his life and for his family and eventually owned his own construction company hiring his brothers (among other folks) to work for hiim... He could be tough verbally on his employees (but also quite generous). He was even once physically assaulted by one of his employees. He didn't understand why folks working for him didn't take the same kind of pride in their work that he did and took it personally when they didn't. I understand where that need is coming from. But my dad, luckily for him, had a devoted wife of 42 years (too devoted in some ways..LOL). I can only imagine how angry Prince was at himself for losing control to drugs. No wonder he was ashamed and in denial===telling himself that he needed the pills to work (which in a way he probably did) and saying he needed to work because it was what he was put on earth to do..I see vulnerabilty under the surface of both these men..even more so for Prince obviously because my dad's only real vices were food and work, and he outgrew the food addiction (for lack of a better word) due to health issues, had people he knew he could trust in his life,and was comfortable enough with himself to take breaks and not compartmentalize his life/personality like P did.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

206Michelle said:

Others have also been wondering about the possibility of depression, as shown above.

[Edited 5/29/18 20:22pm]

Glad to see flashes of insight, intelligence and reality here, always appreciated. I have lost track of how many times I was attacked, scoffed at and scorned here for suggesting he was self-medicating his DEPRESSION with pain meds because OPIOIDS work so efficiently and almost instantly to relieve DEPRESSION, ANXIETY and STRESS. It gave him instant relief from his self-inflicted life-long mania for control. Sorry for shouting.

[Edited 5/29/18 22:20pm]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch said:

What do you mean, “none of us know the truth anymore” and “we’ve been handed nothing but lies”? - Do you think his death being caused by fentanyl toxicity is one of those lies? Who exactly is feeding us all these lies? The medical examiner? ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Stop effing with Pete!!!

Y'all sound condescending because Pete has has a different viewpoint than you.

Lawdy.

None of us know the truth anymore.

We have been handed nothing but lies.

Its no wonder people are confused

disch...stop it with the logic, intelligence, lack of paranoia, constancy and eloquence....you know ISLIJAG doesn't like or appreciate any of that.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

What do you mean, “none of us know the truth anymore” and “we’ve been handed nothing but lies”? - Do you think his death being caused by fentanyl toxicity is one of those lies? Who exactly is feeding us all these lies? The medical examiner? ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

disch...stop it with the logic, intelligence, lack of paranoia, constancy and eloquence....you know ISLIJAG doesn't like or appreciate any of that.

I have never interacted with you so your words are meaningless to me.

disch said:

What do you mean, “none of us know the truth anymore” and “we’ve been handed nothing but lies”? - Do you think his death being caused by fentanyl toxicity is one of those lies? Who exactly is feeding us all these lies? The medical examiner? ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Stop effing with Pete!!!

Y'all sound condescending because Pete has has a different viewpoint than you.

Lawdy.

None of us know the truth anymore.

We have been handed nothing but lies.

Its no wonder people are confused

No, I dont think the ME was lying.

PeteSilas said:

MMJas said:

Wanting him to have a terminal disease instead of a painkiller addiction is exactly the type of denial which led Prince to this point. That's how big the stigma is. I've actually seen mothers state they would prefer their kids to be terminally ill than have a drug addiction. We have a long way to go...

you have a long way to go, as for me i hate drugs/alcohol, absolutely hate them. I hate how people crave them, i hate how they project onto you because they feel shame, i hate how they isolate, steal, stress loved ones, put themselves in vulnerable positions for rapists and killers, i hate it. so there is no ambivalence on my part for drugs, sometimes you need them, most times people take them because we live in such a fucked up society, that has to be dealt with with a clear head, not a drug addled one. I'm Indian BTW so I know all about how fucked up people act when they try to escape reality.

I understand. But that hate you have for drugs is affecting your perception to the point of prefering Prince to have a terminal ilness just so that you feel better about it. That's basically what it comes down to.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

206Michelle said:

Others have also been wondering about the possibility of depression, as shown above.

[Edited 5/29/18 20:22pm]

Glad to see flashes of insight, intelligence and reality here, always appreciated. I have lost track of how many times I was attacked, scoffed at and scorned here for suggesting he was self-medicating his DEPRESSION with pain meds because OPIOIDS work so efficiently and almost instantly to relieve DEPRESSION, ANXIETY and STRESS. It gave him instant relief from his self-inflicted life-long mania for control. Sorry for shouting.

I don't think that is necessarily the wrong way of looking at it, but there is no way he didn't have pain issues too. I also think the depression is rooted in some other things and control is rooted in all of that. With that said, it 's still not ven as simple as just that, from what I've, ahem, heard over the years.

I've been, in the fan community forever, since PML, since AOL, etc. I talked to um, somebody (wink) about these issues, to the point that... IDK, I just felt he was handling all of it, like it was a joke and for a very long time. There were some people in the know, on the inside (shit a bunch of them on them BANISHED ONES too who knew what was up) back then that really wanted the best for him, but by the time he passed.... all that remained were, well JH's statement to investigators kind of speaks for itself no? 'Aye, NO BLOODTEST mane'. I hated every one of them at the time he was still alive, for that type of shit. I said before it worked similar online: he say 'the sky is red' and they say 'the sky is red', he say 'up is down' and they say 'up been down muffaka don't you know??" NPG baby! 'Yeah people who used to be down with the npg, but now when they come around to the concerts, they stand around in the back, because they know what they said' Un huh, and cut to him OD'D laying dead by the elevator. Famous last words. Another one: I'd like to thank everyone for their concern, but I've got it all under contro--- yadayadaydada 'wiff an accurate understanding of God's lllllaaaawwwww.... Reva-la-tion.

The cover up been going on. I think the biggest concern people had on the inside was having to go, SELL INSURANCE, or something if they got on Prince bad side. And that's sad, because all they really had to do the week before he passed was sound the alarm online, and he would have been alright, imo. We mighta patched him up a time or two before in the past 'You da greatest mane, the world needs you'. It was never that hard. Honestly the magic word was L.O.V.E. 'We love you' 'Those who love me without condition, this is MY WEALTH/ All understand and all stand under this affirmation now/By the power invested in me BY GOD/All negativity bows/All negativity bows'... That's not rooted in TAFKAP is it? It's a factor in why I knew what was up in those FINAL YEARS. What they had that we didn't is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of an OD that he couldn't spin his way out of. He had to have thought it was fukked up that he found himself right back where he started after the drama of the plane incident: trapped in his own secrecy and web of: Aye, get freeky, let ya head bob! wwhhho you gonna blame when 'nem spyders get next to you'.

Someday I will talk about it. I'm still thinking it through though, because it's all truly his own fault, and I don't really want to blame anybod else. Maybe that one piece of chickn mf. 'It all MAKES SENSE'. Did ir really 'do? Imean basicaly The G.O.A.T, err, The Pope just OD'd ('right in front of yo' azz!/ she helped me once again), but it all makes SO MUCH sense that you ahhh fugg it ('a loop there's a loop, there's a loop, uhn)

206Michelle said:

rednblue said:

I agree that whether P had an additional serious, or even terminal, medical condition is something we don't know with certainty.

That said, for people thinking about this idea and/or struggling to reconcile "hero" and "addiction," it might help to remember that addiction can have big effects on many medical conditions.

Addiction can make people more vulnerable to acquiring other conditions in the first place (and vice versa, of course). In addition to making other diagnoses more likely, addiction can affect course and treatment.

Some of this is probably obvious, e.g., toll of substances on organs. Some maybe not so obvious, e.g., opiates interact significantly with the immune system.

So allowing that we don't know for sure, I'm still at the place of what I said before (and thank you for the cosign, 206Michelle):

The culture's old, tired, stigma-laden ideas make it painful for some to put "addiction" and "hero" in the same space.

In truth, most medical conditions result from a combination of interacting factors. Alongside predisposition and environment, there are personal choices.

Addiction in particular is saddled with simplistic notions of character flaws and longing for a binary of good people and bad people.

Reality is nuanced. Equating medical conditions with character flaws is false and destructive.

May I also add that addiction is a medical condition in and of itself, and it requires treatment just like other medical conditions.

Thank you so much! That's one of the main things at the heart of the larger point I was trying to make. Thank you for helping it to come through loud and clear.

Was trying to point something out, for those who might feel that other serious medical conditions in the mix would make it easier to come to terms with it all. There's a very good chance that equating addiction with character flaws would still pose a challenge to making it easier to take.

Just one reason is that in many cases, the addiction condition may well have upped the odds of getting those other conditions in the first place, and and/or affected their course and treatment.

Better to recognize that it is all medical illness, not to be equated with character flaws.

[Edited 5/30/18 5:55am]

Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

But Mumio , you shook your head in disagreement when I remarked, referring to a previous thread, you and a couple others were supportive of the terminal illness theory.

Opinions are based on evidence, not facts. The evidence strongly suggests P developed some health issues from being an opiate user. Further, if people actually research the harm often done to the body from taking opiates long term, then maybe they can get off the terminal illness wagon. Watch all the Dr Drew videos, as he's consistent on the opiate subject. And, as I recall, Dr Drew 'drew' special attention to the parasympathetic/digestive issues. I'm confident in 28 years nothing else will come to light.

Go blab away to someone who wants to hear it. I want nothing to do with you.

But the screenshot allusions (illusions really) to pancreatic cancer, the ad campaign propagated by the Nelsons? That is, according to LR who you praised for her powers of logic. Presumably for putting 2 and 2 together?! lol

You can admit you're wrong at any time, or you can wait 28 years

funksterr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Glad to see flashes of insight, intelligence and reality here, always appreciated. I have lost track of how many times I was attacked, scoffed at and scorned here for suggesting he was self-medicating his DEPRESSION with pain meds because OPIOIDS work so efficiently and almost instantly to relieve DEPRESSION, ANXIETY and STRESS. It gave him instant relief from his self-inflicted life-long mania for control. Sorry for shouting.

I don't think that is necessarily the wrong way of looking at it, but there is no way he didn't have pain issues too. I also think the depression is rooted in some other things and control is rooted in all of that. With that said, it 's still not ven as simple as just that, from what I've, ahem, heard over the years.

I've been, in the fan community forever, since PML, since AOL, etc. I talked to um, somebody (wink) about these issues, to the point that... IDK, I just felt he was handling all of it, like it was a joke and for a very long time. There were some people in the know, on the inside (shit a bunch of them on them BANISHED ONES too who knew what was up) back then that really wanted the best for him, but by the time he passed.... all that remained were, well JH's statement to investigators kind of speaks for itself no? 'Aye, NO BLOODTEST mane'. I hated every one of them at the time he was still alive, for that type of shit. I said before it worked similar online: he say 'the sky is red' and they say 'the sky is red', he say 'up is down' and they say 'up been down muffaka don't you know??" NPG baby! 'Yeah people who used to be down with the npg, but now when they come around to the concerts, they stand around in the back, because they know what they said' Un huh, and cut to him OD'D laying dead by the elevator. Famous last words. Another one: I'd like to thank everyone for their concern, but I've got it all under contro--- yadayadaydada 'wiff an accurate understanding of God's lllllaaaawwwww.... Reva-la-tion.

The cover up been going on. I think the biggest concern people had on the inside was having to go, SELL INSURANCE, or something if they got on Prince bad side. And that's sad, because all they really had to do the week before he passed was sound the alarm online, and he would have been alright, imo. We mighta patched him up a time or two before in the past 'You da greatest mane, the world needs you'. It was never that hard. Honestly the magic word was L.O.V.E. 'We love you' 'Those who love me without condition, this is MY WEALTH/ All understand and all stand under this affirmation now/By the power invested in me BY GOD/All negativity bows/All negativity bows'... That's not rooted in TAFKAP is it? It's a factor in why I knew what was up in those FINAL YEARS. What they had that we didn't is IRREFUTABLE PROOF of an OD that he couldn't spin his way out of. He had to have thought it was fukked up that he found himself right back where he started after the drama of the plane incident: trapped in his own secrecy and web of: Aye, get freeky, let ya head bob! wwhhho you gonna blame when 'nem spyders get next to you'.

Someday I will talk about it. I'm still thinking it through though, because it's all truly his own fault, and I don't really want to blame anybod else. Maybe that one piece of chickn mf. 'It all MAKES SENSE'. Did ir really 'do? Imean basicaly The G.O.A.T, err, The Pope just OD'd ('right in front of yo' azz!/ she helped me once again), but it all makes SO MUCH sense that you ahhh fugg it ('a loop there's a loop, there's a loop, uhn)

Thank you, funksterr. If you are up to comment...

You said you think any "...depression is rooted in some other things and control is rooted in all of that." To get one thing out of the way, we all come into this world with predispositions for certain things. Beyond that, where do you see roots? Do you think of some things that happened early on? From the outside, we obviously know very little about P's childhood, but I think it's safe to say that it wasn't easy.

You also said that it's most likely "still not ven as simple as just that." Are you thinking here of how people undoubtedly didn't want to rock the boat for fear of losing their jobs?

He was the cash register, pure and simple. Family, friends, staffmembers, bandmembers. Present and former. How horribly sad to be suffering and not have one person who was there without a financial motive.

1Sasha said:

He was the cash register, pure and simple. Family, friends, staffmembers, bandmembers. Present and former. How horribly sad to be suffering and not have one person who was there without a financial motive.

And they are still using him.

1Sasha said:

He was the cash register, pure and simple. Family, friends, staffmembers, bandmembers. Present and former. How horribly sad to be suffering and not have one person who was there without a financial motive.

1Sasha said:

PeteSilas said:

I know it is but how much pain was he really in?

TrevorAyer said:

Constant pain

Enough to quit the splits, piano leaps and ditching the high heels in favor of "platform sneakers". He was also using a cane for a long time which I used to think was for show but now I'm not so sure.

Also, co-sign to whoever said that "addiction is a chronic disease". People need to get over the idea that addiction is a moral failing and a stain on a person's character. More so, they need to get over themselves.

[Edited 5/30/18 10:05am]

leec1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone is suffering from emotional or physical pain.

No, but drugs are BAAADDDD and only dirty, stinky, loser mud people use them, you see! Everyone who uses drugs is a loser, by definition, who winds up broken and on the street.

*injects steroids, takes an anti depressant, sips martini, light a cigar and pops a xanax*

herb4 said:

PeteSilas said:

I know it is but how much pain was he really in?

Enough to quit the splits, piano leaps and ditching the high heels in favor of "platform sneakers". He was also using a cane for a long time which I used to think was for show but now I'm not so sure.

Also, co-sign to whoever said that "addiction is a chronic disease". People need to get over the idea that addiction is a moral failing and a stain on a person's character. More so, they need to get over themselves.

[Edited 5/30/18 10:05am]

no need to get upset herbie. I was just asking honey.

Don't be such a jealous harpy over laurarichardson. If you had one ounce of integrity you wouldn't be so desperate to pick on someone who is no longer on the site to defend herself. But that's how cowards like yourself always behave so no surprise there. Nothing like a good verbal beat-down from a woman like laura, is there? I know it provided plenty of amusement for many here. It's pretty clear she isn't missing you or the others who are turning this forum into a hater's paradise.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Mumio said:

Go blab away to someone who wants to hear it. I want nothing to do with you.

But the screenshot allusions (illusions really) to pancreatic cancer, the ad campaign propagated by the Nelsons? That is, according to LR who you praised for her powers of logic. Presumably for putting 2 and 2 together?! lol

You can admit you're wrong at any time, or you can wait 28 years :hmm2

[Edited 5/30/18 10:15am]

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

We've been given all of the investigative info. Have you read all of it yet? There is no rushing to judgement, it's been 2 years now. There was no murder, no disease, no poison food....

Folks should just let it go, he didn't have an illness! What's with up the obsession with making prince have a disease

Well. he died, for one. And addiction is a disease for two.

It's mainly a certain subset of well intentioned but ignorant posters who think that drug using equates to a moral failing or lack of character and whose understanding of the topic is essentially at the level of what thye learned on an afterschool special or Lifetime movie.

Astasheiks said:

disch said:

Um you seriously think that theres some lab out there where people can pay to take their illegally acquired drugs to, the lab will test them for their exact chemical composition, and then the lab will politely hand the illegal drugs back to their owner with the information? That sounds like a realistic process that people who acquire illegal drugs (and drug labs) would engage in? Astasheiks said:

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!

LOL. Yeah, fuck no. Hahaha...the secret pill manufacturing lab in Paisley Park's secret Bat Cave. Holy shit! That's why he was in the elevator! It's all coming together!

PeteSilas said:

herb4 said:

Enough to quit the splits, piano leaps and ditching the high heels in favor of "platform sneakers". He was also using a cane for a long time which I used to think was for show but now I'm not so sure.

Also, co-sign to whoever said that "addiction is a chronic disease". People need to get over the idea that addiction is a moral failing and a stain on a person's character. More so, they need to get over themselves.

[Edited 5/30/18 10:05am]

no need to get upset herbie. I was just asking honey.

WTF? Did I sound upset?

Thought you were going away for a while? Take a break.

"Petey"

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RE: Terminal illness: Liver damage is a side effect of long term painkiller use, especially the ones with higher level of acetometaphine (or however you spell it) that Prince would have been taking. Some of the side effects ring some also:

• Abdominal pain (located on the right side of the body, beneath the ribs)
• Flu-like symptoms (e.g., fatigue, nausea, vomiting, muscle or joint pain, fever)
• Loss of appetite
• Swelling of abdomen and/or legs

Symptoms that are more specific to liver problems include the following:

• Bleeding and bruising more easily
• Dark urine
• Jaundice (i.e., yellowing of skin/eyes)
• Sensitivity to medications (e.g., experiencing stronger side effects)

• Difficulty concentrating
• Memory loss
• Mental confusion
• Sleep disturbances

[Edited 5/30/18 10:36am]

herb4 said:

leec1 said:

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone is suffering from emotional or physical pain.

No, but drugs are BAAADDDD and only dirty, stinky, loser mud people use them, you see! Everyone who uses drugs is a loser, by definition, who winds up broken and on the street.

*injects steroids, takes an anti depressant, sips martini, light a cigar and pops a xanax*

90% of people are addicted to caffeine to a greater or lesser degree. Us coffee drinkers eh? We're all bad people. How dare we increase our dopamine and noradrenaline levels? Who here is willing to chastise us for our sinful ways; whether it's for getting an extra energy kick, staying awake or performing better? Especially now the resident drug expert has departed.