Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't diagnosed with depression.

Well was he even evaluated for it?

and there is the possibility that some star struck doc wouldn't want to hurt the rock star's feelings by evaluating him as 'depressed.'....there's lots of anectdotal evidence that famous and/or wealthy people get sub-standard medical care both because of the star effect AND because they are used to getting their own way, having people who work for them (like a doc in this case) see things their way and making people do what they want them to do. Sounds like Prince to me.

peggyon said:

Yes, we have been allowed some information, but my concern is that we are rushing to judgment based on limited knowedge.The investigative results are relatively new to us and I feel that emotions are running high.

I am asking that we slow down and use language that is more open and tolerant of other voices.

Prince and his family were/are masters of obfuscation. Knowing this about them, let's be a little more

patient and see what unfolds.

I am one of the people who thinks he had a terminal medical condition. I can't prove it. I think he looked awful the last six months of his life. I will admit - when/if the autopsy report is released - that I was wrong if he did not have such a condition. However, it looks like I won't be around to read it since the wait is now about 28 years. But please allow other opinions to be heard. We aren't crackpots. We simply have different opinions.

1Sasha said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

1Sasha said:

I am one of the people who thinks he had a terminal medical condition. I can't prove it. I think he looked awful the last six months of his life. I will admit - when/if the autopsy report is released - that I was wrong if he did not have such a condition. However, it looks like I won't be around to read it since the wait is now about 28 years. But please allow other opinions to be heard. We aren't crackpots. We simply have different opinions.

There's opinions and than there are facts, the fact is that prince died from opiates and from the investigation files,prince was battling addiction. People can have all the different opinions if they want to but it's still not factual

Exactly Strawberry. We now have all the documents that were made public. We know have facts.

IMO there is no more need for any theories.

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't diagnosed with depression.

Well was he even evaluated for it?

In Moline the Dr was asking if he wanted to kill himself, he looked her straight in the eye and told her NO.

How many here are making comments that did NOT read any of the documents?

1Sasha said:

peggyon said:

Yes, we have been allowed some information, but my concern is that we are rushing to judgment based on limited knowedge.The investigative results are relatively new to us and I feel that emotions are running high.

I am asking that we slow down and use language that is more open and tolerant of other voices.

Prince and his family were/are masters of obfuscation. Knowing this about them, let's be a little more

patient and see what unfolds.

I am one of the people who thinks he had a terminal medical condition. I can't prove it. I think he looked awful the last six months of his life. I will admit - when/if the autopsy report is released - that I was wrong if he did not have such a condition. However, it looks like I won't be around to read it since the wait is now about 28 years. But please allow other opinions to be heard. We aren't crackpots. We simply have different opinions.

MMJas said:

disch said:

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for? - What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god. PeteSilas said:

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

[Edited 5/28/18 12:56pm] [Edited 5/28/18 12:57pm]

Wanting him to have a terminal disease instead of a painkiller addiction is exactly the type of denial which led Prince to this point. That's how big the stigma is. I've actually seen mothers state they would prefer their kids to be terminally ill than have a drug addiction. We have a long way to go...

you have a long way to go, as for me i hate drugs/alcohol, absolutely hate them. I hate how people crave them, i hate how they project onto you because they feel shame, i hate how they isolate, steal, stress loved ones, put themselves in vulnerable positions for rapists and killers, i hate it. so there is no ambivalence on my part for drugs, sometimes you need them, most times people take them because we live in such a fucked up society, that has to be dealt with with a clear head, not a drug addled one. I'm Indian BTW so I know all about how fucked up people act when they try to escape reality.

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

He wasn't diagnosed with depression.

Well was he even evaluated for it?

I've seen many quotes from unnamed peoples in the press that he "was depressed over his career" or some such but I haven't seen a lot of real sources for those stories. Elvis was obviously severely depressed at the end of his life too. I can only feel so much for those guys, I mean I know money doesn't buy happiness etc.., but when most of humanity is scrounging just for food to eat, many of them have to work under repressive conditions to survive and I just have to say about some of these guys that I just don't get it really. I do know depression however, I go through it too but mostly because my options are limited, not because I can do anything I want and it becomes empty meaning.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said: Well was he even evaluated for it?

I've seen many quotes from unnamed peoples in the press that he "was depressed over his career" or some such but I haven't seen a lot of real sources for those stories. Elvis was obviously severely depressed at the end of his life too. I can only feel so much for those guys, I mean I know money doesn't buy happiness etc.., but when most of humanity is scrounging just for food to eat, many of them have to work under repressive conditions to survive and I just have to say about some of these guys that I just don't get it really. I do know depression however, I go through it too but mostly because my options are limited, not because I can do anything I want and it becomes empty meaning.

Where's the link. Who are the unnamed people and why are they unnamed?

Have you read the paperwork?

The associates are trying to re-write history, you can't believe a single associate or family member.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

I've seen many quotes from unnamed peoples in the press that he "was depressed over his career" or some such but I haven't seen a lot of real sources for those stories. Elvis was obviously severely depressed at the end of his life too. I can only feel so much for those guys, I mean I know money doesn't buy happiness etc.., but when most of humanity is scrounging just for food to eat, many of them have to work under repressive conditions to survive and I just have to say about some of these guys that I just don't get it really. I do know depression however, I go through it too but mostly because my options are limited, not because I can do anything I want and it becomes empty meaning.

Where's the link. Who are the unnamed people and why are they unnamed?

Have you read the paperwork?

The associates are trying to re-write history, you can't believe a single associate or family member.

backup for sec, i was answering a question, i don't know if those were good sources or not, i would think that would be obvious in my wording. Calm down, and I have read 75 pages, not the whole report, i've seen the vids, listened to some of the interviews, I'll make my way through it, it just isn't something I need to rush through with my hectic life.

That's what I thought.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

I've seen many quotes from unnamed peoples in the press that he "was depressed over his career" or some such but I haven't seen a lot of real sources for those stories. Elvis was obviously severely depressed at the end of his life too. I can only feel so much for those guys, I mean I know money doesn't buy happiness etc.., but when most of humanity is scrounging just for food to eat, many of them have to work under repressive conditions to survive and I just have to say about some of these guys that I just don't get it really. I do know depression however, I go through it too but mostly because my options are limited, not because I can do anything I want and it becomes empty meaning.

Where's the link. Who are the unnamed people and why are they unnamed?

Have you read the paperwork?

The associates are trying to re-write history, you can't believe a single associate or family member.

Exactly! Some people make it like Prince was a losing it or something . He was right in the middle of renovating Paisley Park into a museum and planning a summer residency there..

[Edited 5/29/18 13:53pm]

PennyPurple said:

That's what I thought.

I'll make my way through it, I don't answer to you and i'm not trying to change your mind. My life is hard, i only have so much time to spend online. It's important but it's not a priority, prince'll be just as dead no matter what's in those papers.

Just to be clear, and as I'm guessing everyone knows, not everyone with depression, even serious depression, attempts suicide. Some do. Many don't.


Also, depression is a complex condition. A good diagnosis involves a detailed evaluation.

After reading the document, my impressions included striking interview descriptions of POSSIBLE symptoms of depression. I noted this in response to the notion that the documents contained no hint of any other medical condition.

Most important, Prince died of an opiate overdose.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

That's what I thought.

I'll make my way through it, I don't answer to you and i'm not trying to change your mind. My life is hard, i only have so much time to spend online. It's important but it's not a priority, prince'll be just as dead no matter what's in those papers.

I was actually talking about you not having links and the 'unnamed' people making the depression statements.

But what ever floats your boat....You are in denial.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

I'll make my way through it, I don't answer to you and i'm not trying to change your mind. My life is hard, i only have so much time to spend online. It's important but it's not a priority, prince'll be just as dead no matter what's in those papers.

I was actually talking about you not having links and the 'unnamed' people making the depression statements.

But what ever floats your boat....You are in denial.

look, how are you not understanding what i'm saying? I just told you what are you a 3rd grader, i get the feeling i could speak easier to my buddies seven year old daughter than you. I'm gone for a bit, i don't have time for this right now.

I'm not sure what's meant by "basket case."

If it implies lack of function or accomplishment, it doesn't tell you one way or another as to whether someone has a psychiatric disorder.

But I digress, and my point is not to say P had any such disorder. Only saying that the documents contained interview comments that many professionals would consider when doing an evaluation. I've worked in the field. Again, a response to the characterization of the documents as containing no hint of any other condition.

As far as credibility of those interviewed, that is also something professionals would have to do their best to assess and consider. When evaluating for conditions related to brain and nervous system, it is common to interview family and friends that claim to be close. Another part of the work is considering the source. I personally don't know enough to speak to the relative credibility of all of P's friends, family and coworkers. Some people believe the evidence demonstrates that all of these people have zero credibility. I respect that belief, and I sure do understand frustration about quality of some of the information that's been put out there. Some believe the truth should all be told, some believe none of us are entitled to any information, some believe things in between. Wherever a person stands on that question, bad information and cryptic references are beyond frustrating.

[Edited 5/29/18 13:33pm]

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

I was actually talking about you not having links and the 'unnamed' people making the depression statements.

But what ever floats your boat....You are in denial.

look, how are you not understanding what i'm saying? I just told you what are you a 3rd grader, i get the feeling i could speak easier to my buddies seven year old daughter than you. I'm gone for a bit, i don't have time for this right now.

disch said:

It’s fine for you to feel that way about drugs. It’s still deeply messed up that you “hope” prince endured the trauma of a terminal diagnosis. - I for one hope that his final months he experienced as many good things as possible, such as feeling that he was loved and appreciated by people close to him and by fans, and that his work was valued highly, and that he has much to offer the world. I do not hope he endured a doctor informing him he had a terminal disease or any other profoundly traumatizing event. No matter how much I “hate drugs.” PeteSilas said:

you have a long way to go, as for me i hate drugs/alcohol, absolutely hate them. I hate how people crave them, i hate how they project onto you because they feel shame, i hate how they isolate, steal, stress loved ones, put themselves in vulnerable positions for rapists and killers, i hate it. so there is no ambivalence on my part for drugs, sometimes you need them, most times people take them because we live in such a fucked up society, that has to be dealt with with a clear head, not a drug addled one. I'm Indian BTW so I know all about how fucked up people act when they try to escape reality.

[Edited 5/29/18 12:51pm]

OH GOD YES!!!!! If you loved Prince and his glorious music was the soundtrack of your life how could you not wish for him what disch wrote???

PennyPurple said:

That's what I thought.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

I was actually talking about you not having links and the 'unnamed' people making the depression statements.

But what ever floats your boat....You are in denial.

look, how are you not understanding what i'm saying? I just told you what are you a 3rd grader, i get the feeling i could speak easier to my buddies seven year old daughter than you. I'm gone for a bit, i don't have time for this right now.

Jesus, Pete, you sound like you're channeling your buddy LR.

Mumio said:

1Sasha said:

I am one of the people who thinks he had a terminal medical condition. I can't prove it. I think he looked awful the last six months of his life. I will admit - when/if the autopsy report is released - that I was wrong if he did not have such a condition. However, it looks like I won't be around to read it since the wait is now about 28 years. But please allow other opinions to be heard. We aren't crackpots. We simply have different opinions.

But Mumio , you shook your head in disagreement when I remarked, referring to a previous thread, you and a couple others were supportive of the terminal illness theory.

Opinions are based on evidence, not facts. The evidence strongly suggests P developed some health issues from being an opiate user. Further, if people actually research the harm often done to the body from taking opiates long term, then maybe they can get off the terminal illness wagon. Watch all the Dr Drew videos, as he's consistent on the opiate subject. And, as I recall, Dr Drew 'drew' special attention to the parasympathetic/digestive issues. I'm confident in 28 years nothing else will come to light.

disch said:

Um you seriously think that theres some lab out there where people can pay to take their illegally acquired drugs to, the lab will test them for their exact chemical composition, and then the lab will politely hand the illegal drugs back to their owner with the information? That sounds like a realistic process that people who acquire illegal drugs (and drug labs) would engage in? Astasheiks said:

Prince should have tested his medicene that he got undercover. Wonder how costly that would have been? I think he was set up to have that much Fentanyl!

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!

Astasheiks said:

disch said:

Um you seriously think that theres some lab out there where people can pay to take their illegally acquired drugs to, the lab will test them for their exact chemical composition, and then the lab will politely hand the illegal drugs back to their owner with the information? That sounds like a realistic process that people who acquire illegal drugs (and drug labs) would engage in? Astasheiks said:

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!

OMG, Please tell me we're not in Woo Woo Land again...

206Michelle said:

I just want to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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This is just my opinion, but I feel that those orgers who want Prince to have had a terminal illness may be fearful that Prince's death will be lumped in with the deaths of other famous musicians who died from substance abuse/overdoses: Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin, Elvis Presley, and Jimi Hendrix, among others. I feel that this fear is understandable.

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So true. They don't want to believe the 'flawed genius' narrative. Let's face it though, most geniuses in history are said to have had psychological issues. Take Leonardo Da Vinci for instance. Widely considered to be the greatest ever all round genius, nevertheless he reputedly had major psychological problems.

Leonardo also died at 57. The same age as Prince. I hope some here aren't offended by the comparison. But you never know

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

I was actually talking about you not having links and the 'unnamed' people making the depression statements.

But what ever floats your boat....You are in denial.

look, how are you not understanding what i'm saying? I just told you what are you a 3rd grader, i get the feeling i could speak easier to my buddies seven year old daughter than you. I'm gone for a bit, i don't have time for this right now.

Oh look, Pete is being disrespectful again. Penny wanted you to provide a source and that's how you react?

Astasheiks said:

disch said:

Um you seriously think that theres some lab out there where people can pay to take their illegally acquired drugs to, the lab will test them for their exact chemical composition, and then the lab will politely hand the illegal drugs back to their owner with the information? That sounds like a realistic process that people who acquire illegal drugs (and drug labs) would engage in? Astasheiks said:

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!

LMAO, a lab? Walter White Style or what?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Astasheiks said:

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!