disch said:

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for? - What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god. PeteSilas said:

I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

[Edited 5/28/18 12:56pm] [Edited 5/28/18 12:57pm]

MMJas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Perhaps tha just shows you how close Tyka really was.

As a whole KJ's cell phone record(s) reflect calls to the same people: Phaedra, Merone, his ex-wife, sister, daughter, and girlfriend. No Tyka (even in Moline).

PeteSilas said:

Regarding any possible illness: keep in mind the FULL autopsy report remains sealed under Minnesota law and can generally remain private for at least 30 years. This means, we do not know if he had any other illnesses at the time of his death. All that has come out thus far is data classified as public in the autopsy report.

TrevorAyer said:

bondno9 said:

disch said:

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for? - What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god. PeteSilas said:

I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

[Edited 5/28/18 12:56pm] [Edited 5/28/18 12:57pm]

Why? He's dead, if he has to be dead and he does, then I'd rather it have been for a better reason than another overdose because he was another rockstar who had no friends, who no one could say no to, who couldn't control himself, it's just tired. I've had too many heroes who either od'd or drugs and alcohol were co-factors in their deaths. Prince was never like the rest of those guys in most ways. He never let the work ethic slip, he conducted his business under any and all circumstances and never let anything stop him, not the things most artists say cripple them, deaths of family, loss of finance, artistic stifling, none of that stopped the man so I really do have a hard time with his "od". It didn't make sense and still doesn't.

I know it is but how much pain was he really in? we've seen the judith hill video where he's running like he doesn't feel a thing and he looks fine walking into the docs office. Most people in that much pain show it in their gate, old or young. And if football players can do it, I think prince was as mentally tough as anyone, he could have too. The case isn't over in my mind, for those who accept the official od story, that's fine by me really, you have the report there and your own minds to work with.

TrevorAyer said:

PeteSilas said:

i've already been dissapointed, i already mentioned it's a most likely cause, i just don't think it's that open and shut. we've been through this, y'all have been slapping yourselves on the back for the last couple mos because you've been saying he was an addict, i'm saying i think it may have also been suicide too, and he may have had other conditions, they are all pretty dissapointing really. I remember Norman Mailer describing how losing Hemingway, the mans man, to suicide made him feel. It's a very bitter pill.

Constant pain is very depressing .. if he took pills to play most likely the pain when the pills wore off was unbearable ... knowing you can’t do anything you love ... including holding a guitar apparently or even standing up very long, without suffering horribly for hours or days afterwards can be very depressing .. if he was suckered into antidepressants by these wack job doctors .. he likely considered suicide since antidepressants cause suicidal thoughts ... even without antidepressants he was on enough pills to cloud his judgement .. most likely the decades of constant pain wore him down emotionally ... and there may not have been enough honest people in his life to support him in his struggle .. or anyone he could truly call a friend ... the number one cause of addiction is loneliness .. the difference between an addict and someone who recovers from an injury or operation involving pain pills is usually the person who does not get addicted has family and friends ... and dont ever forget that botched surgeries and adverse reaction to pills from doctors is in fact THE number One cause of death in the usa

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for? - What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god. PeteSilas said:

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

[Edited 5/28/18 12:56pm] [Edited 5/28/18 12:57pm]

Why? He's dead, if he has to be dead and he does, then I'd rather it have been for a better reason than another overdose because he was another rockstar who had no friends, who no one could say no to, who couldn't control himself, it's just tired. I've had too many heroes who either od'd or drugs and alcohol were co-factors in their deaths. Prince was never like the rest of those guys in most ways. He never let the work ethic slip, he conducted his business under any and all circumstances and never let anything stop him, not the things most artists say cripple them, deaths of family, loss of finance, artistic stifling, none of that stopped the man so I really do have a hard time with his "od". It didn't make sense and still doesn't.

You're in denial Pete.

PeteSilas said:

TrevorAyer said:

Constant pain is very depressing .. if he took pills to play most likely the pain when the pills wore off was unbearable ... knowing you can’t do anything you love ... including holding a guitar apparently or even standing up very long, without suffering horribly for hours or days afterwards can be very depressing .. if he was suckered into antidepressants by these wack job doctors .. he likely considered suicide since antidepressants cause suicidal thoughts ... even without antidepressants he was on enough pills to cloud his judgement .. most likely the decades of constant pain wore him down emotionally ... and there may not have been enough honest people in his life to support him in his struggle .. or anyone he could truly call a friend ... the number one cause of addiction is loneliness .. the difference between an addict and someone who recovers from an injury or operation involving pain pills is usually the person who does not get addicted has family and friends ... and dont ever forget that botched surgeries and adverse reaction to pills from doctors is in fact THE number One cause of death in the usa

If he was in severe chronic pain, he would've hurt bad enough to see any Dr. that could help him.

Have you read the documents? Because if you had, you'd know the prescriptions that he had and did or did not take.

bondno9 said:

MMJas said:

Perhaps tha just shows you how close Tyka really was.

As a whole KJ's cell phone record(s) reflect calls to the same people: Phaedra, Merone, his ex-wife, sister, daughter, and girlfriend. No Tyka (even in Moline).

He called Tyka 1 time on 4/21

Have you read any of the documents Pete?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for? - What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god. PeteSilas said:

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

[Edited 5/28/18 12:56pm] [Edited 5/28/18 12:57pm]

Disch and Bodhitheblackdog- I cosign your opinion. Every person that I have lost to addiction is a great loss and very unfortunate. I feel the same sadness for the loss of addicts that I do for those that I have lost due to terminal illnesses.

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone is suffering from emotional or physical pain.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

Why? He's dead, if he has to be dead and he does, then I'd rather it have been for a better reason than another overdose because he was another rockstar who had no friends, who no one could say no to, who couldn't control himself, it's just tired. I've had too many heroes who either od'd or drugs and alcohol were co-factors in their deaths. Prince was never like the rest of those guys in most ways. He never let the work ethic slip, he conducted his business under any and all circumstances and never let anything stop him, not the things most artists say cripple them, deaths of family, loss of finance, artistic stifling, none of that stopped the man so I really do have a hard time with his "od". It didn't make sense and still doesn't.

You're in denial Pete.

You're being too diplomatic, Penny.

disch said:

Sorry Pete that’s f’ed up. He did die of an od; he did not die of a terminal illness. - If that’s something that upsets and disappoints YOU because it doesn’t jibe with YOUR world view or need for heroes who behave in a specific way, that’s YOUR problem to deal with. - Wishing that he endured a terminal diagnosis and the pain and trauma that would probably came with it? I wouldn’t wish that on someone I love and respect, sorry. And how exactly would that make you feel better about his death by od on illegally acquired laced opioids anyway? - PeteSilas said:

Why? He's dead, if he has to be dead and he does, then I'd rather it have been for a better reason than another overdose because he was another rockstar who had no friends, who no one could say no to, who couldn't control himself, it's just tired. I've had too many heroes who either od'd or drugs and alcohol were co-factors in their deaths. Prince was never like the rest of those guys in most ways. He never let the work ethic slip, he conducted his business under any and all circumstances and never let anything stop him, not the things most artists say cripple them, deaths of family, loss of finance, artistic stifling, none of that stopped the man so I really do have a hard time with his "od". It didn't make sense and still doesn't.

co-sign...IF he had a terminal illness he could have been cared for with tenderness and dignity at his T&C mansion, for example; had the time to say goodby to friends and family with dignity, and he could have been kept pain free with legit drugs so he could die in his beautiful bed overlooking the Caribbean sea...but that's a fucked up fantasy.

He died alone in an elevator from an OD of street drugs with his clothes on backwards and none of your BS about wishing he had a terminal illness bc he was your'hero' (?????WTF) will make your dream come true.

You DISHONOR his memory, Pete, with your denial bc denial is what killed him.

leec1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Disch and Bodhitheblackdog- I cosign your opinion. Every person that I have lost to addiction is a great loss and very unfortunate. I feel the same sadness for the loss of addicts that I do for those that I have lost due to terminal illnesses.

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone is suffering from emotional or physical pain.

God bless you for saying this. You should post this here every day until they get it.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

leec1 said:

Disch and Bodhitheblackdog- I cosign your opinion. Every person that I have lost to addiction is a great loss and very unfortunate. I feel the same sadness for the loss of addicts that I do for those that I have lost due to terminal illnesses.

It shouldn't make any difference whether someone is suffering from emotional or physical pain.

God bless you for saying this. You should post this here every day until they get it.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

Sorry Pete that’s f’ed up. He did die of an od; he did not die of a terminal illness. - If that’s something that upsets and disappoints YOU because it doesn’t jibe with YOUR world view or need for heroes who behave in a specific way, that’s YOUR problem to deal with. - Wishing that he endured a terminal diagnosis and the pain and trauma that would probably came with it? I wouldn’t wish that on someone I love and respect, sorry. And how exactly would that make you feel better about his death by od on illegally acquired laced opioids anyway? - PeteSilas said:

co-sign...IF he had a terminal illness he could have been cared for with tenderness and dignity at his T&C mansion, for example; had the time to say goodby to friends and family with dignity, and he could have been kept pain free with legit drugs so he could die in his beautiful bed overlooking the Caribbean sea...but that's a fucked up fantasy.

He died alone in an elevator from an OD of street drugs with his clothes on backwards and none of your BS about wishing he had a terminal illness bc he was your'hero' (?????WTF) will make your dream come true.

You DISHONOR his memory, Pete, with your denial bc denial is what killed him.

I totally agree with Penny, Disch and Bod, but don’t be too hard on Pete, I think he is still struggling with the reality/concept of ‘this didn’t need to happen’ and seeking an answer, any answer as to why it all had to end this way.

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Denial, acceptance, anger, loss…. this entire case has dragged on for over two years. Personally it’s left me with little respect for the ‘estate’, associates, and those in the know who could have given the public real facts and still can if they truly cared about P’s fans.

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respectfully, DD55

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...IF he had a terminal illness he could have been cared for with tenderness and dignity at his T&C mansion, for example; had the time to say goodby to friends and family with dignity, and he could have been kept pain free with legit drugs so he could die in his beautiful bed overlooking the Caribbean sea...but that's a fucked up fantasy.

He died alone in an elevator from an OD of street drugs with his clothes on backwards and none of your BS about wishing he had a terminal illness bc he was your'hero' (?????WTF) will make your dream come true.

You DISHONOR his memory, Pete, with your denial bc denial is what killed him.

I totally agree with Penny, Disch and Bod, but don’t be too hard on Pete, I think he is still struggling with the reality/concept of ‘this didn’t need to happen’ and seeking an answer, any answer as to why it all had to end this way.

.

Denial, acceptance, anger, loss…. this entire case has dragged on for over two years. Personally it’s left me with little respect for the ‘estate’, associates, and those in the know who could have given the public real facts and still can if they truly cared about P’s fans.

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respectfully, DD55

well said,DD55...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

You're in denial Pete.

You're being too diplomatic, Penny.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for? - What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god. PeteSilas said:

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

[Edited 5/28/18 12:56pm] [Edited 5/28/18 12:57pm]

Pete, I understand how you feel, but Prince was a man who got addicted to his pain pills and he died because of it. He did not have a terminal illness. It hurts me to say that and I never thought that Prince's story would end the way that it did, but that's the reality.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You're being too diplomatic, Penny.

Well, that's Penny (I didn't mean this in a bad way, sorry if it seems like that)

[Edited 5/28/18 17:56pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

Sorry Pete that’s f’ed up. He did die of an od; he did not die of a terminal illness. - If that’s something that upsets and disappoints YOU because it doesn’t jibe with YOUR world view or need for heroes who behave in a specific way, that’s YOUR problem to deal with. - Wishing that he endured a terminal diagnosis and the pain and trauma that would probably came with it? I wouldn’t wish that on someone I love and respect, sorry. And how exactly would that make you feel better about his death by od on illegally acquired laced opioids anyway? - PeteSilas said:

co-sign...IF he had a terminal illness he could have been cared for with tenderness and dignity at his T&C mansion, for example; had the time to say goodby to friends and family with dignity, and he could have been kept pain free with legit drugs so he could die in his beautiful bed overlooking the Caribbean sea...but that's a fucked up fantasy.

He died alone in an elevator from an OD of street drugs with his clothes on backwards and none of your BS about wishing he had a terminal illness bc he was your'hero' (?????WTF) will make your dream come true.

You DISHONOR his memory, Pete, with your denial bc denial is what killed him.

disch said:

200+ pages of investigation documents are also public and, in addition to the autopsy summary not listin any terminal illness as a secondary factor, nothing in those docs even alludes to a serious illness other than addiction and injury related pain issue; nothing points to anything terminal, including the interview with the doctor prince met with twice, dr s. bondno9 said:

Regarding any possible illness: keep in mind the FULL autopsy report remains sealed under Minnesota law and can generally remain private for at least 30 years. This means, we do not know if he had any other illnesses at the time of his death. All that has come out thus far is data classified as public in the autopsy report.

The investigation documents are separate from the medical examiner data. ME data classified as public was released via the autopsy summary. Secondary factors are considered private data. Under MN law the public is not entitled to any private data that was released to Prince's next of kin. As the public all we have been given is toxicology but not health.

[Edited 5/28/18 17:52pm]

[Edited 5/28/18 17:54pm]

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Well, that's Penny (I didn't mean this in a bad way, sorry if it seems like that)

[Edited 5/28/18 17:56pm]

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Well, that's Penny (I didn't mean this in a bad way, sorry if it seems like that)

[Edited 5/28/18 17:56pm]

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...IF he had a terminal illness he could have been cared for with tenderness and dignity at his T&C mansion, for example; had the time to say goodby to friends and family with dignity, and he could have been kept pain free with legit drugs so he could die in his beautiful bed overlooking the Caribbean sea...but that's a fucked up fantasy.

He died alone in an elevator from an OD of street drugs with his clothes on backwards and none of your BS about wishing he had a terminal illness bc he was your'hero' (?????WTF) will make your dream come true.

You DISHONOR his memory, Pete, with your denial bc denial is what killed him.

I totally agree with Penny, Disch and Bod, but don’t be too hard on Pete, I think he is still struggling with the reality/concept of ‘this didn’t need to happen’ and seeking an answer, any answer as to why it all had to end this way.

.

Denial, acceptance, anger, loss…. this entire case has dragged on for over two years. Personally it’s left me with little respect for the ‘estate’, associates, and those in the know who could have given the public real facts and still can if they truly cared about P’s fans.

.

respectfully, DD55

The culture's old, tired, stigma-laden ideas make it painful for some to put "addiction" and "hero" in the same space.

In truth, most medical conditions result from a combination of interacting factors. Alongside predisposition and environment, there are personal choices.

Addiction in particular is saddled with simplistic notions of character flaws and longing for a binary of good people and bad people.

Reality is nuanced. Equating medical conditions with character flaws is false and destructive.

[Edited 5/28/18 19:13pm]

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said: I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

I just want to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

.

This is just my opinion, but I feel that those orgers who want Prince to have had a terminal illness may be fearful that Prince's death will be lumped in with the deaths of other famous musicians who died from substance abuse/overdoses: Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin, Elvis Presley, and Jimi Hendrix, among others. I feel that this fear is understandable.

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However, there were some complexities to the life that he was leading in his final weeks and months. From what Judith stated, he was lonely. Throughout his life, he didn't like being told "no"/not getting his way. As the Moline incident indicates, he was often fearful of getting help/medical attention due to concerns about his privacy. At the same time, Bodhitheblackdog, has said, he was a Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style. He had within him the seeds of his own greatness and his own destruction.

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His destruction has a lot to do with his trust/abandonment/attachment issues, rooted in childhood. He had a hard time trusting people. He was incredibly guarded about his privacy. As far as I know, he used his music as therapy instead of going to a therapist or other professional in order to help him with major traumas in his life (e.g., childhood abuse, the death of his son). So instead of drowing his sorrows with drug use, he basically just worked and made music all of the time, which took an enormous toll on his body. The breakdown of his body lead to pain and his use of painkillers.

.

Having said all of that, I feel that it's more important to focus on the life that Prince led instead of how he died. This man experienced a lot of setbacks and traumas in his life--his parents divorcing, abuse by his stepfather, his dad kicking him out of the home, the death of his son, the miscarriage of another baby, and two divorces. And yet, he left us with such an incredible musical legacy and he is remembered by the overwhelming majority of people who new him as a really good human being. The man was making music, good music, until the very end. He received rave reviews for his P&M tour.

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He gave millions upon millions of dollars to charitable causes...quietly. He mentored dozens of men and women in the music business. His legacy is largely scandal-free. No accusations of child abuse. No accusations of domestic violence. No accusations of sexual harrassment. No accusations of anything like that except from Sinead O'Connor (who has been sued by Arsenio Hall for accusations she made about him and who has a history of attention-seeking behaviors, e.g. ripping up a photo of the pope on television). No multiple babies mamas and delinquent child support payments. No disfiguring of himself with plastic surgery. No history of recreational drug use (cocaine, marijuana).

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He had his flaws. He died from an overdose of fentanyl because he had an addiction to painkillers since he basically worked himself to death. But at least his demons were personal. He didn't abuse children. He didn't introduce anyone else to "hard drugs". He was never an absentee father. Having said that, let's focus on the positive. He was a brilliant musician who has left an incredible legacy. He wore lace better than any man in the history of humanity. He wore high heels and make-up better than just about any man in history. And he was, overall, a really good human being, a great guy.

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See: https://www.usatoday.com/.../85314450/

206Michelle said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

I just want to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

.

This is just my opinion, but I feel that those orgers who want Prince to have had a terminal illness may be fearful that Prince's death will be lumped in with the deaths of other famous musicians who died from substance abuse/overdoses: Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin, Elvis Presley, and Jimi Hendrix, among others. I feel that this fear is understandable.

.

However, there were some complexities to the life that he was leading in his final weeks and months. From what Judith stated, he was lonely. Throughout his life, he didn't like being told "no"/not getting his way. As the Moline incident indicates, he was often fearful of getting help/medical attention due to concerns about his privacy. At the same time, Bodhitheblackdog, has said, he was a Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style. He had within him the seeds of his own greatness and his own destruction.

.

His destruction has a lot to do with his trust/abandonment/attachment issues, rooted in childhood. He had a hard time trusting people. He was incredibly guarded about his privacy. As far as I know, he used his music as therapy instead of going to a therapist or other professional in order to help him with major traumas in his life (e.g., childhood abuse, the death of his son). So instead of drowing his sorrows with drug use, he basically just worked and made music all of the time, which took an enormous toll on his body. The breakdown of his body lead to pain and his use of painkillers.

.

Having said all of that, I feel that it's more important to focus on the life that Prince led instead of how he died. This man experienced a lot of setbacks and traumas in his life--his parents divorcing, abuse by his stepfather, his dad kicking him out of the home, the death of his son, the miscarriage of another baby, and two divorces. And yet, he left us with such an incredible musical legacy and he is remembered by the overwhelming majority of people who new him as a really good human being. The man was making music, good music, until the very end. He received rave reviews for his P&M tour.

.

He gave millions upon millions of dollars to charitable causes...quietly. He mentored dozens of men and women in the music business. His legacy is largely scandal-free. No accusations of child abuse. No accusations of domestic violence. No accusations of sexual harrassment. No accusations of anything like that except from Sinead O'Connor (who has been sued by Arsenio Hall for accusations she made about him and who has a history of attention-seeking behaviors, e.g. ripping up a photo of the pope on television). No multiple babies mamas and delinquent child support payments. No disfiguring of himself with plastic surgery. No history of recreational drug use (cocaine, marijuana).

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He had his flaws. He died from an overdose of fentanyl because he had an addiction to painkillers since he basically worked himself to death. But at least his demons were personal. He didn't abuse children. He didn't introduce anyone else to "hard drugs". He was never an absentee father. Having said that, let's focus on the positive. He was a brilliant musician who has left an incredible legacy. He wore lace better than any man in the history of humanity. He wore high heels and make-up better than just about any man in history. And he was, overall, a really good human being, a great guy.

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See: https://www.usatoday.com/.../85314450/

WOW 206Michelle...OMG...OUTSTANDING...what a beautiful, heartfelt poem of unconditional love...thank you from the bottom of my heart...I'm weeping.