herb4 said:

PennyPurple said:

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

This.

I'm still surprised after 10 threads, a lot of intense research and very informative posts and links about teh subject that people remain confused about the real nature of these drugs and how they work. They're highly addictive, REALLY work and induce a calm, blissful feeling in the user that diminishes over time.

The incredibly frustrating thing for me (aside from the stubborn, bull headed conspiracy theory die hards) has been watching this conversation unfold for two years now, over 10 threads, and people still chiming in to talk about how "drug addicts" behave, as if it's binary and it's always "fucked up junkie" or "totally functional straight guy". Functional addiction is a real thing. Not everyone who uses drugs turns into Sly Stone, Amy Whinehouse or John Frusciante. It's like nobody has learned anything about drugs since Nancy Reagan went on "Different Strokes".

People use drugs (prescribed or otherwise), drink alcohol, smoke weed and any number of things without crashing their cars into telephone polls, getting fired, passing out in public restrooms. pissing thier pants daily or ruining their lives and becoming dysfunctional drooling retards. There's a fucking SCALE to it and varying degrees of "intensity" or dependency. Same way not everone who joins a church stands on a street corner waving a "JOHN:316/The End is Nigh/Repent" sign or becomes a fanatic about it. Or that any NRA member stockpiles an arsenal in his bomb shelter and waits for the government. It's not always a Nikki Sixx/Scott Weiland/Sid Vicous level of depravity and despair that signifies an addict or even defines a drug user.

Your accountant, banker, doctor, boss, brother, mechanic, Uber driver, bellhop, waiter, lawyer, gardener, mailman, babysitter, nurse, lifeguard, priest, professor, weather man, pro atheletes...a larger percentage than any of you might think...have used drugs at one point or another and often function perfectly fine. Several of them are proabably on drugs RIGHT NOW. This idea that "drugs always ruin your life and anyone who uses them ever winds up on skid row" is outdated, D.A.R.E. level, baby school shit (designed to keep young minds away from things that might possibly cause them trouble) manifested into adult thinking that never moved past that level of critical thought or advanced past TV commercial platitudes about the nature of medication. People take anti depressants, diet pills, LSD, XTC, xanax, lithium, pain meds, ADHD meds, melatonin, adderall...STEROIDS...

You meet them every day and most of them are NOT living out of a shopping cart in a cardboard box. Most of them, by FAR, live in homes, are not criminals, have jobs and contribute to society. Why does the idea that Prince could (and did) function at an extremely high level over a period of years while taking pain meds and ultimately becoming addicted to them have to be an anathema simply because people don't understand this issue past a 3rd grade level? Why is it so difficult to grasp? If Prince's general level of pain killer intake, over time, is what I think it was there's nothing in that level of medication that would preclude him of acheiving what he did. Nothing whatsoever. Especially for an artist.

I can rattle off a hundred of publicly admitted "drug users" that are a-OK and perfectly fine, often highly accomplished people. Some of them had trouble, sure.

*Cue Laura Richardson or some other idiot claiming that I wrote that "all drug users are highly functional".*

Which I've never said. Prince was.

The reason that it seems disproportinate and so "out of whack" - an "epidemic" - is that most people aren't public about thier use (for legal and medically personal reasons) and that you only hear about the out of control cases and high level celebrities or out of control folks that wound up over enabled, in over their heads and ultimately shitting the bed with it all or making a fool out of themselves in public. Also, doctors LEGALLY over prescribed this shit and CREATED addicts while the government locked up pot smokers and drug testing made them unemployable, but that's another discussion.

Maybe we need a "drug/painkiller/weed/alcohol" thread.

I agree Herb, but add Big Pharma to the list of helping create this epidemic, too.

PennyPurple said:

TrevorAyer said:

Pain killers get u high as fuck ... it was 3 years before i found out on my own ... not from doctors ... that pills ruin your organs ... and quit listens ng to my doctors after that ... the purple rain tour was run on coke .. commom knowledge .. a rock star can’t move 5 feet without being offered any drug they want ... i am sure there was a period prior to lovesexy ... maybe even prior to purple rain when prince was drug free .. but sorry ... dude was on recreational and otherwise drugs most of his life ... the only other person i know notorious for staying up many days in a row is kieth richards ... he never had a pristine image to lie about and at least he admits it ... i find larry renato and kj to be questionable at best but p could walk into any theatre at any time and there would be new or familiar suppliers available ... dark web my ass

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

I got myself a cracked disk in my spine from hauling granite countertops and was on painkillers for 3 years. hydrocodone aka vicaden .. 1 pill did nothing .. 2 pills killed my pain for 2 hours of a 6 hour stretch .. only supposed to take 2 every 6 hours ... so 4 hours of pain 2 of complete relief .. and when i say relief i mean high as fuck .. but no pain .. I am a musician so I would play shows .. haul gear and all that which combined with other stupid shit I did made my spine worse .. I know many pill addicts that are out of control take up to 60 pills a day and mix them with all sorts of shit .. I cant even imagine but I mixed mine with celebrex and muscle relaxers .. per doctors recommendation .. and overdosed .. passed out ... fell into a corner wall .. cracked my head open ... woke up .. puked .. lived .. doctor laughed it off and said oops ... the whole medical industry is a fucking concentration camp designed to experiment on dumb ass public sheep ... doctors are dumber than shit and just write scripts to get their funding .. you should always be smarter than your doctor .. do your own research .. they are pushers .. I only took 2 pills and was high as fuck ... I was also super paranoid so I never took more than prescribed but I have plenty of personal experience to know and not guess .. btw .. when you are pain free and super high .. music is very easy to play and enjoy ... you can be very functional in that sense .. eventually I got sick of being in a pill daze and found out about the damage they were doing .. so I quit it all and do a lot of yoga and don't lift anything heavy and don't play out live much anymore ... prince did not take that route .. he had to keep going ...

PeteSilas said:

TrevorAyer said:

Pain killers get u high as fuck ... it was 3 years before i found out on my own ... not from doctors ... that pills ruin your organs ... and quit listens ng to my doctors after that ... the purple rain tour was run on coke .. commom knowledge .. a rock star can’t move 5 feet without being offered any drug they want ... i am sure there was a period prior to lovesexy ... maybe even prior to purple rain when prince was drug free .. but sorry ... dude was on recreational and otherwise drugs most of his life ... the only other person i know notorious for staying up many days in a row is kieth richards ... he never had a pristine image to lie about and at least he admits it ... i find larry renato and kj to be questionable at best but p could walk into any theatre at any time and there would be new or familiar suppliers available ... dark web my ass

he used coke during Purple Rain? Do you have a good source other than it being "common knowledge"? People as close to him at the time, Susan Rogers and several others insist there were no drugs around at the time. either they are lying, were fooled are....there were no drugs going on with P.

I don't know if prince did coke .. I suspect he did but that aside .. I have read in numerous books that the crew .. roadies tech .. the guys that move all the equipment .. were all on coke the whole tour .. its honestly the only way those tours function .. they are so exhausting and intense ... don't be fooled by the lights and bullshit .. it is a rare music tour that is not full of every drug imaginable .. I don't think the prince tours were much different ... saying you need the pills to perform is a common excuse up there with .. i need it to take the edge off ...and other excuses addicts make ... point is .. prince never had to look on any dark web to find drugs .. they were and still are laying around everywhere in the music industry ... consider morris and vanity .. prince 2 closest buds were on coke I find it hard to believe he stayed clean .. its not uncommon for addicts to cut people out of their life .. and then there is george clinton who admits being a crack addict during the time he was on prince label .. not saying they smoked together but just saying .. prince never had to look far and you can tell a lot by the company people keep

I don't doubt that drugs in the biz are rife but people who were there said prince didn't partake, several people have said that. I don't put it past him I'd really like to see just the truth whatever it is. Susan and the leeds bros were right there so they should know if prince was coked out i would think. Problem is, there are always rumours, always so they kinda lose their potency after awhile.

TrevorAyer said:

PeteSilas said:

he used coke during Purple Rain? Do you have a good source other than it being "common knowledge"? People as close to him at the time, Susan Rogers and several others insist there were no drugs around at the time. either they are lying, were fooled are....there were no drugs going on with P.

I don't know if prince did coke .. I suspect he did but that aside .. I have read in numerous books that the crew .. roadies tech .. the guys that move all the equipment .. were all on coke the whole tour .. its honestly the only way those tours function .. they are so exhausting and intense ... don't be fooled by the lights and bullshit .. it is a rare music tour that is not full of every drug imaginable .. I don't think the prince tours were much different ... saying you need the pills to perform is a common excuse up there with .. i need it to take the edge off ...and other excuses addicts make ... point is .. prince never had to look on any dark web to find drugs .. they were and still are laying around everywhere in the music industry ... consider morris and vanity .. prince 2 closest buds were on coke I find it hard to believe he stayed clean .. its not uncommon for addicts to cut people out of their life .. and then there is george clinton who admits being a crack addict during the time he was on prince label .. not saying they smoked together but just saying .. prince never had to look far and you can tell a lot by the company people keep

herb4 said:

PennyPurple said:

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

This.

I'm still surprised after 10 threads, a lot of intense research and very informative posts and links about teh subject that people remain confused about the real nature of these drugs and how they work. They're highly addictive, REALLY work and induce a calm, blissful feeling in the user that diminishes over time.

The incredibly frustrating thing for me (aside from the stubborn, bull headed conspiracy theory die hards) has been watching this conversation unfold for two years now, over 10 threads, and people still chiming in to talk about how "drug addicts" behave, as if it's binary and it's always "fucked up junkie" or "totally functional straight guy". Functional addiction is a real thing. Not everyone who uses drugs turns into Sly Stone, Amy Whinehouse or John Frusciante. It's like nobody has learned anything about drugs since Nancy Reagan went on "Different Strokes".

People use drugs (prescribed or otherwise), drink alcohol, smoke weed and any number of things without crashing their cars into telephone polls, getting fired, passing out in public restrooms. pissing thier pants daily or ruining their lives and becoming dysfunctional drooling retards. There's a fucking SCALE to it and varying degrees of "intensity" or dependency. Same way not everone who joins a church stands on a street corner waving a "JOHN:316/The End is Nigh/Repent" sign or becomes a fanatic about it. Or that any NRA member stockpiles an arsenal in his bomb shelter and waits for the government. It's not always a Nikki Sixx/Scott Weiland/Sid Vicous level of depravity and despair that signifies an addict or even defines a drug user.

Your accountant, banker, doctor, boss, brother, mechanic, Uber driver, bellhop, waiter, lawyer, gardener, mailman, babysitter, nurse, lifeguard, priest, professor, weather man, pro atheletes...a larger percentage than any of you might think...have used drugs at one point or another and often function perfectly fine. Several of them are proabably on drugs RIGHT NOW. This idea that "drugs always ruin your life and anyone who uses them ever winds up on skid row" is outdated, D.A.R.E. level, baby school shit (designed to keep young minds away from things that might possibly cause them trouble) manifested into adult thinking that never moved past that level of critical thought or advanced past TV commercial platitudes about the nature of medication. People take anti depressants, diet pills, LSD, XTC, xanax, lithium, pain meds, ADHD meds, melatonin, adderall...STEROIDS...

You meet them every day and most of them are NOT living out of a shopping cart in a cardboard box. Most of them, by FAR, live in homes, are not criminals, have jobs and contribute to society. Why does the idea that Prince could (and did) function at an extremely high level over a period of years while taking pain meds and ultimately becoming addicted to them have to be an anathema simply because people don't understand this issue past a 3rd grade level? Why is it so difficult to grasp? If Prince's general level of pain killer intake, over time, is what I think it was there's nothing in that level of medication that would preclude him of acheiving what he did. Nothing whatsoever. Especially for an artist.

I can rattle off a hundred of publicly admitted "drug users" that are a-OK and perfectly fine, often highly accomplished people. Some of them had trouble, sure.

*Cue Laura Richardson or some other idiot claiming that I wrote that "all drug users are highly functional".*

Which I've never said. Prince was.

The reason that it seems disproportinate and so "out of whack" - an "epidemic" - is that most people aren't public about thier use (for legal and medically personal reasons) and that you only hear about the out of control cases and high level celebrities or out of control folks that wound up over enabled, in over their heads and ultimately shitting the bed with it all or making a fool out of themselves in public. Also, doctors LEGALLY over prescribed this shit and CREATED addicts while the government locked up pot smokers and drug testing made them unemployable, but that's another discussion.

Maybe we need a "drug/painkiller/weed/alcohol" thread.

THANK YOU! The binary take is immature and dangerous.

FWIW, I say this as someone who doesn't smoke or drink. Also, nothing "harder." Added as I can hear that joke coming: "You don't smoke or drink, but..." For some people, including me, it's best to abstain.

YES!

Also, I hope chronic pain patients get improved everything: better information, better access to decent care, and better treatment possibilities. So much has been abysmal.

PeteSilas said:

everybody is different, every drug is different, put the two together and everyone is different on them. The loose definition of addiction is; anything or substance that has negative life altering effects. that can include anything really but personally, i'm just tired of them, all of them and I don't mean what a good doctor knows you must take, i'm talking about everything else, i'm tired of it because it fucks people up, it fucks them up when they are on them and when they are off them. If you've ever been around a dry drunk or someone with a bad hangover you'd know. I understand it though, probably better than most addicts ever will, it's this consumer, capitalist, competitive bullshit we think we are supposed to live in, no one is happy, whether they have good homes and cars or not, they aren't happy. It's why i live off grid as possible for a city dweller and keep people out of my life. everyone I've ever known for the most part has got some kind of serious imbalance, some need alcohol, some need power, some need money,women,sex,religion,drugs and it's too hard keeping ones own head on straight when you have nothing but stressed out, raving addicts, pissed off at their lives and trying to drag you into their unhappy situation. Is there a need for drugs? of course, is it the very embodiment of the old symbol of the two snakes? "the cure can also kill"? yes and most of our drug/alcohol/relationship abuse is because of other things being out of balance for us as human beings.

herb4 said:

This.

I'm still surprised after 10 threads, a lot of intense research and very informative posts and links about teh subject that people remain confused about the real nature of these drugs and how they work. They're highly addictive, REALLY work and induce a calm, blissful feeling in the user that diminishes over time.

The incredibly frustrating thing for me (aside from the stubborn, bull headed conspiracy theory die hards) has been watching this conversation unfold for two years now, over 10 threads, and people still chiming in to talk about how "drug addicts" behave, as if it's binary and it's always "fucked up junkie" or "totally functional straight guy". Functional addiction is a real thing. Not everyone who uses drugs turns into Sly Stone, Amy Whinehouse or John Frusciante. It's like nobody has learned anything about drugs since Nancy Reagan went on "Different Strokes".

People use drugs (prescribed or otherwise), drink alcohol, smoke weed and any number of things without crashing their cars into telephone polls, getting fired, passing out in public restrooms. pissing thier pants daily or ruining their lives and becoming dysfunctional drooling retards. There's a fucking SCALE to it and varying degrees of "intensity" or dependency. Same way not everone who joins a church stands on a street corner waving a "JOHN:316/The End is Nigh/Repent" sign or becomes a fanatic about it. Or that any NRA member stockpiles an arsenal in his bomb shelter and waits for the government. It's not always a Nikki Sixx/Scott Weiland/Sid Vicous level of depravity and despair that signifies an addict or even defines a drug user.

Your accountant, banker, doctor, boss, brother, mechanic, Uber driver, bellhop, waiter, lawyer, gardener, mailman, babysitter, nurse, lifeguard, priest, professor, weather man, pro atheletes...a larger percentage than any of you might think...have used drugs at one point or another and often function perfectly fine. Several of them are proabably on drugs RIGHT NOW. This idea that "drugs always ruin your life and anyone who uses them ever winds up on skid row" is outdated, D.A.R.E. level, baby school shit (designed to keep young minds away from things that might possibly cause them trouble) manifested into adult thinking that never moved past that level of critical thought or advanced past TV commercial platitudes about the nature of medication. People take anti depressants, diet pills, LSD, XTC, xanax, lithium, pain meds, ADHD meds, melatonin, adderall...STEROIDS...

You meet them every day and most of them are NOT living out of a shopping cart in a cardboard box. Most of them, by FAR, live in homes, are not criminals, have jobs and contribute to society. Why does the idea that Prince could (and did) function at an extremely high level over a period of years while taking pain meds and ultimately becoming addicted to them have to be an anathema simply because people don't understand this issue past a 3rd grade level? Why is it so difficult to grasp? If Prince's general level of pain killer intake, over time, is what I think it was there's nothing in that level of medication that would preclude him of acheiving what he did. Nothing whatsoever. Especially for an artist.

I can rattle off a hundred of publicly admitted "drug users" that are a-OK and perfectly fine, often highly accomplished people. Some of them had trouble, sure.

*Cue Laura Richardson or some other idiot claiming that I wrote that "all drug users are highly functional".*

Which I've never said. Prince was.

The reason that it seems disproportinate and so "out of whack" - an "epidemic" - is that most people aren't public about thier use (for legal and medically personal reasons) and that you only hear about the out of control cases and high level celebrities or out of control folks that wound up over enabled, in over their heads and ultimately shitting the bed with it all or making a fool out of themselves in public. Also, doctors LEGALLY over prescribed this shit and CREATED addicts while the government locked up pot smokers and drug testing made them unemployable, but that's another discussion.

Maybe we need a "drug/painkiller/weed/alcohol" thread.

[Edited 5/27/18 18:35pm]

PeteSilas said:

I don't doubt that drugs in the biz are rife but people who were there said prince didn't partake, several people have said that. I don't put it past him I'd really like to see just the truth whatever it is. Susan and the leeds bros were right there so they should know if prince was coked out i would think. Problem is, there are always rumours, always so they kinda lose their potency after awhile.

Alex Hahn's book also said that the crew was on drugs and Prince didn't know until almost the end of the tour, but he was pissed.

You can't believe anything coming from any former associate including susan and the Leeds. They lie and of course they'd say no.

TrevorAyer said:

PeteSilas said:

he used coke during Purple Rain? Do you have a good source other than it being "common knowledge"? People as close to him at the time, Susan Rogers and several others insist there were no drugs around at the time. either they are lying, were fooled are....there were no drugs going on with P.

I don't know if prince did coke .. I suspect he did but that aside .. I have read in numerous books that the crew .. roadies tech .. the guys that move all the equipment .. were all on coke the whole tour .. its honestly the only way those tours function .. they are so exhausting and intense ... don't be fooled by the lights and bullshit .. it is a rare music tour that is not full of every drug imaginable .. I don't think the prince tours were much different ... saying you need the pills to perform is a common excuse up there with .. i need it to take the edge off ...and other excuses addicts make ... point is .. prince never had to look on any dark web to find drugs .. they were and still are laying around everywhere in the music industry ... consider morris and vanity .. prince 2 closest buds were on coke I find it hard to believe he stayed clean .. its not uncommon for addicts to cut people out of their life .. and then there is george clinton who admits being a crack addict during the time he was on prince label .. not saying they smoked together but just saying .. prince never had to look far and you can tell a lot by the company people keep

If it's true that this is what it takes for crews to accomplish most tours, then who would argue against the need for change? Everyone who profits, every boss/person up the chain of command...all of those people aren't working hard enough. They need to do what they can, including cutting their own pay if necessary, to change things.

Subjecting people to working conditions where health is ruined by (sometimes drug-fueled) sleep deprivation, isn't glamorous. It's irresponsible and stupid.

Won't leave myself out of it, as I've probably contributed to the problem by purchasing tickets to tours subjecting crews to this.

Speaking more generally, if this is true, it sounds like an industry with an ethic that often works against the chances of anyone (star, tech, crew, etc., etc.) getting off of a harmful substance.

[Edited 5/27/18 16:55pm]

Sorry for all the negative. It's just kinda sad to think that Prince, and so many others on the tours, were under even MORE stress than I'd imagined when on the road. They brought us so much joy.

I've read that industry changes have pressured some artists to focus on touring. Hope that especially in later years, P didn't feel pushed to travel far more than he wanted.

P did find much joy in performing. There's some comfort in that.

TrevorAyer said:

PennyPurple said:

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

I got myself a cracked disk in my spine from hauling granite countertops and was on painkillers for 3 years. hydrocodone aka vicaden .. 1 pill did nothing .. 2 pills killed my pain for 2 hours of a 6 hour stretch .. only supposed to take 2 every 6 hours ... so 4 hours of pain 2 of complete relief .. and when i say relief i mean high as fuck .. but no pain .. I am a musician so I would play shows .. haul gear and all that which combined with other stupid shit I did made my spine worse .. I know many pill addicts that are out of control take up to 60 pills a day and mix them with all sorts of shit .. I cant even imagine but I mixed mine with celebrex and muscle relaxers .. per doctors recommendation .. and overdosed .. passed out ... fell into a corner wall .. cracked my head open ... woke up .. puked .. lived .. doctor laughed it off and said oops ... the whole medical industry is a fucking concentration camp designed to experiment on dumb ass public sheep ... doctors are dumber than shit and just write scripts to get their funding .. you should always be smarter than your doctor .. do your own research .. they are pushers .. I only took 2 pills and was high as fuck ... I was also super paranoid so I never took more than prescribed but I have plenty of personal experience to know and not guess .. btw .. when you are pain free and super high .. music is very easy to play and enjoy ... you can be very functional in that sense .. eventually I got sick of being in a pill daze and found out about the damage they were doing .. so I quit it all and do a lot of yoga and don't lift anything heavy and don't play out live much anymore ... prince did not take that route .. he had to keep going ...

Thank you for this...very moving and insightful.

purplerabbithole said:

Prince said he wouldn't mix them again - meaning Percocet (from Dr S) and contents of the Bayern bottle - which he thought was Vicodin Both Percocet and vicodin are opiates that contain acephetamin i.e. Tylenol

fuck, that sounds like a nightmare, don't doubt a word of it. I hurt my back a year ago, i was just lucky it wasn't that serious and of course my demanding fucking customers actually had the nerve to say i was faking it. People are vile, all of them. sometimes you need meds, sometimes you don't. If i can suffer without them, i do, if i feel like i should take them I do. those docs aren't going to be around when you crack your fucking head and die, which my mom did after open heart surgery.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

TrevorAyer said:

I got myself a cracked disk in my spine from hauling granite countertops and was on painkillers for 3 years. hydrocodone aka vicaden .. 1 pill did nothing .. 2 pills killed my pain for 2 hours of a 6 hour stretch .. only supposed to take 2 every 6 hours ... so 4 hours of pain 2 of complete relief .. and when i say relief i mean high as fuck .. but no pain .. I am a musician so I would play shows .. haul gear and all that which combined with other stupid shit I did made my spine worse .. I know many pill addicts that are out of control take up to 60 pills a day and mix them with all sorts of shit .. I cant even imagine but I mixed mine with celebrex and muscle relaxers .. per doctors recommendation .. and overdosed .. passed out ... fell into a corner wall .. cracked my head open ... woke up .. puked .. lived .. doctor laughed it off and said oops ... the whole medical industry is a fucking concentration camp designed to experiment on dumb ass public sheep ... doctors are dumber than shit and just write scripts to get their funding .. you should always be smarter than your doctor .. do your own research .. they are pushers .. I only took 2 pills and was high as fuck ... I was also super paranoid so I never took more than prescribed but I have plenty of personal experience to know and not guess .. btw .. when you are pain free and super high .. music is very easy to play and enjoy ... you can be very functional in that sense .. eventually I got sick of being in a pill daze and found out about the damage they were doing .. so I quit it all and do a lot of yoga and don't lift anything heavy and don't play out live much anymore ... prince did not take that route .. he had to keep going ...

Thank you for this...very moving and insightful.

rednblue said:

Sorry for all the negative. It's just kinda sad to think that Prince, and so many others on the tours, were under even MORE stress than I'd imagined when on the road. They brought us so much joy.

I've read that industry changes have pressured some artists to focus on touring. Hope that especially in later years, P didn't feel pushed to travel far more than he wanted.

P did find much joy in performing. There's some comfort in that.

admittedly, i know nothing about touring even though i'm a musician but, with a tour that big, money would solve a lot of problems, hire more people, hire better people, people take drugs as a personal decision in those cases. I recall when i was a young musician, i realized that if I wanted any kind of shot, I would have to skew the odds in my favor by working harder, as a result, i would get 3 to 5 hours sleep and I'd be miserable, working my ass off, cranky, mean, and i realized that any more of an edge would be me taking something but that was out of the question for me. Never, never never.

dreamer5 said:

Thank you SO much for that interview with Susan.

Krystalkisses said:

dreamer5 said:

Here is an interview of Susan Rogers that was released a couple weeks ago. If you listen to last 7 minutes she relfects on her thoughts on past drug abuse and what she believes happened based on multiple discussions with the people who were around him in the last year of his life.

This is the most directly I've heard anyone discuss the topic on record.

http://thegoodamericancol...ineer.html

[Edited 5/13/18 22:05pm]

Thank you SO much for that interview with Susan.

ya, that was a great one, i have to keep a link for that on my comps. however, i wonder how accurate her impresssions are? no one is 100 percent, none of us.

PeteSilas said:

Right. I only really put stock in what she said when she actually knew him. This I talked to people ...they said he was done...i don't know...Prince always seemed so strong to me, he was always such a fighter, It is just hard for me to imagine him losing the will to live. But it does seem like his was depressed and it is undeniable how much weight he lost toward the end. All of this still shocks me.
[Edited 5/27/18 23:39pm]

What do musicians sacrifice for their passion? It's blood, sweat and tears.
[Edited 5/28/18 14:28pm]

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, that was a great one, i have to keep a link for that on my comps. however, i wonder how accurate her impresssions are? no one is 100 percent, none of us.

Right. I only really put stock in what she said when she actually knew him. This I talked to people ...they said he was done...i don't know...Prince always seemed so strong to me, he was always such a fighter, It is just hard for me to imagine him losing the will to live. But it does seem like his was depressed and it is undeniable how much weight he lost toward the end. All of this still shocks me. [Edited 5/27/18 23:39pm]

me too, none of it makes sense. as i've said from the start, a guy who pushed himself like that, who had that kind of drive? kinda don't make sense that he'd quit. I still really don't know, i go bakc and forth over it, i don't even think murder is out of the question, although i think it's the least possible scenario.

PennyPurple said:

. Now that he is gone, it's extremely easy for them to rewrite the narrative.
[Edited 5/28/18 4:00am]

PennyPurple said:

Agreed. Just recently there was a story in my area (Detroit) where a dealer was busted with a huge amount of fentanyl laced pills which were being sold as other pills, etc. (I keep trying to post link and can't get it to work). Along with that other stories about people selling straight fentanyl at parties ( 3 for $25 ...). I had no idea fentanyl was even a thing. One story from this area was from way back in 2009. A 19 year old girl actually died and the woman who sold it to her did prison time. I guess what I'm saying is if kids can get this shit at house parties (and have been doing so for quite some time) Prince didn't have to look all that far.

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't believe anything that comes from the mouth of any Rev member. Let's remember Dr. Fink isn't a real Dr.

Former associates want to put a spin on things, now that Prince is gone because he can't refute them.

No Dr., no medical records, no police report, no investigation records show any heart murmur, cancer, nothing other then slight anemia, he had his wisdom teeth pulled, and surgery on his hip.

I will no longer believe anything his family says, or past associates. I will no longer support any of them. They are liars and fakes.

. Now that he is gone, it's extremely easy for them to rewrite the narrative. [Edited 5/28/18 4:00am]

Yes, I believe that is what they are doing.

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Sorry, I disagree. Nobody intentionally set out to kill Prince. He bought street drugs, street drugs are dangerous, he thought he was buying the real thing.

Agreed. Just recently there was a story in my area (Detroit) where a dealer was busted with a huge amount of fentanyl laced pills which were being sold as other pills, etc. (I keep trying to post link and can't get it to work). Along with that other stories about people selling straight fentanyl at parties ( 3 for $25 ...). I had no idea fentanyl was even a thing. One story from this area was from way back in 2009. A 19 year old girl actually died and the woman who sold it to her did prison time. I guess what I'm saying is if kids can get this shit at house parties (and have been doing so for quite some time) Prince didn't have to look all that far.

ya, no one killed him, but it is possible, a million things are possible, so there is a chance. I just don't think a very realistic or good one barring some new bombshell info.

PeteSilas said:

I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

me too, none of it makes sense. as i've said from the start, a guy who pushed himself like that, who had that kind of drive? kinda don't make sense that he'd quit. I still really don't know, i go bakc and forth over it, i don't even think murder is out of the question, although i think it's the least possible scenario.

I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

PeteSilas said:

Well prepare to be disappointed ( you shouldn't be) prince was an addict. The denial is one of the reasons he's not here with us

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said: I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

Chronic pain and addiction to painkillers could be chronic illnesses.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Well prepare to be disappointed ( you shouldn't be) prince was an addict. The denial is one of the reasons he's not here with us

So true.

TrevorAyer said:

PennyPurple said:

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

I got myself a cracked disk in my spine from hauling granite countertops and was on painkillers for 3 years. hydrocodone aka vicaden .. 1 pill did nothing .. 2 pills killed my pain for 2 hours of a 6 hour stretch .. only supposed to take 2 every 6 hours ... so 4 hours of pain 2 of complete relief .. and when i say relief i mean high as fuck .. but no pain .. I am a musician so I would play shows .. haul gear and all that which combined with other stupid shit I did made my spine worse .. I know many pill addicts that are out of control take up to 60 pills a day and mix them with all sorts of shit .. I cant even imagine but I mixed mine with celebrex and muscle relaxers .. per doctors recommendation .. and overdosed .. passed out ... fell into a corner wall .. cracked my head open ... woke up .. puked .. lived .. doctor laughed it off and said oops ... the whole medical industry is a fucking concentration camp designed to experiment on dumb ass public sheep ... doctors are dumber than shit and just write scripts to get their funding .. you should always be smarter than your doctor .. do your own research .. they are pushers .. I only took 2 pills and was high as fuck ... I was also super paranoid so I never took more than prescribed but I have plenty of personal experience to know and not guess .. btw .. when you are pain free and super high .. music is very easy to play and enjoy ... you can be very functional in that sense .. eventually I got sick of being in a pill daze and found out about the damage they were doing .. so I quit it all and do a lot of yoga and don't lift anything heavy and don't play out live much anymore ... prince did not take that route .. he had to keep going ...

And that's just the thing...he may have felt like he did not have that option. Had to keep going until he could no longer; for the music, himself, and his fans.

PennyPurple said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Well prepare to be disappointed ( you shouldn't be) prince was an addict. The denial is one of the reasons he's not here with us

So true.

i've already been dissapointed, i already mentioned it's a most likely cause, i just don't think it's that open and shut. we've been through this, y'all have been slapping yourselves on the back for the last couple mos because you've been saying he was an addict, i'm saying i think it may have also been suicide too, and he may have had other conditions, they are all pretty dissapointing really. I remember Norman Mailer describing how losing Hemingway, the mans man, to suicide made him feel. It's a very bitter pill.

You “hold out hope” that he had a terminal illness?? Why would him enduring the anguish and pain of a terminal diagnosis be something you “hope” for?
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What that says to me is that it’s more important to you that you can maintain whatever narrative you constructed in your own mind than the actual pain and suffering of another person. I hope that whatever struggles he faced in his last months did not include grappling with a terminal diagnosis. Good god.


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Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

me too, none of it makes sense. as i've said from the start, a guy who pushed himself like that, who had that kind of drive? kinda don't make sense that he'd quit. I still really don't know, i go bakc and forth over it, i don't even think murder is out of the question, although i think it's the least possible scenario.

I still don't know what to think. I don't think he was murdered. These counterfeit pills sometimes are laced it is not uncommon I think. You really are playing Russian Roulette when you take these channels. It is so risky. Prince had to have realised that. I think maybe like Tricky Christopher said something else was going on with him...his health. That weight loss just didn't seem normal to me even though he was always a small build.

i'm really holding out hope that he had a terminal or serious illness, the thought that he was just another addict or committed suicide, the most likely reasons, is really dissapointing to me.

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