Bodhitheblackdog said:

Strive said:

Come on people. Prince was multi-millionaire working in the highest stratosphere of the entertainment industry. You think the only drug connections he had was his best friend and his sister?

You're right: REALITY CHECK!!! or a dark web site in China?

So many people, & places where he could've gotten it at.

I don't believe anything that comes from the mouth of any Rev member. Let's remember Dr. Fink isn't a real Dr.

Former associates want to put a spin on things, now that Prince is gone because he can't refute them.

No Dr., no medical records, no police report, no investigation records show any heart murmur, cancer, nothing other then slight anemia, he had his wisdom teeth pulled, and surgery on his hip.

I will no longer believe anything his family says, or past associates. I will no longer support any of them. They are liars and fakes.

yes and he also interacted with many people we undoubtedly know nothing about.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You're right: REALITY CHECK!!! or a dark web site in China?

So many people, & places where he could've gotten it at.

disch said:

yes and he also interacted with many people we undoubtedly know nothing about.

PennyPurple said:

So many people, & places where he could've gotten it at.

What about the owner of Electric Fetus' son who went to Atlanta to see the show and also met with P backsage, alone?

What was it CeeLo said after he seen Prince in Atlanta?

PennyPurple said:

I don't believe anything that comes from the mouth of any Rev member. Let's remember Dr. Fink isn't a real Dr.

Former associates want to put a spin on things, now that Prince is gone because he can't refute them.

No Dr., no medical records, no police report, no investigation records show any heart murmur, cancer, nothing other then slight anemia, he had his wisdom teeth pulled, and surgery on his hip.

I will no longer believe anything his family says, or past associates. I will no longer support any of them. They are liars and fakes.

PREACH!!!!!

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said:

So many people, & places where he could've gotten it at.

Still think someone intentionally got him those fentanyl laced pills to do him harm. He had no idea and he was not in withdrawals.

Not sure if there was intent to Harm..

but for sure

there is 1 person who KNOWS how those pills got into Princes possession

and you can bet THAT person is suffering a lot..

Holding ON to the TRUTH is more than an uncomfortable feeling..

I dont envy them...

disch said:

I think in the shock of the moment (and I accept that KJ was shocked at that time) you might not be thinking 100% clearly and you might just want to hear the voice of someone you're personally close to. It might take a certain amount of time just to get your head together. It doesn't seem that off-the-wall to me.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah, but I'd still call them first. :/

Exactly. I'd call my dad first, that's for sure.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

So much shock that he was already in touch with a lawyer, and a news station, before Tyka even knew.

Perhaps tha just shows you how close Tyka really was.

PennyPurple said:

Now for Meron's phone records. Meron's phone records regarding minutes or seconds are a little confusing, it doesn't say which. just 9 or 40.

9;20 and 9;21am Hazelton Addiction Center was calling Meron.

9;46 was a call from Phaedra for 9 minutes or 9 seconds?

9;47 Meron called Hannah Ford 3rd Eye Girl

9;48 Hannah called Meron back. It says 40 seconds.

10;20 and 10;21 Meron called Phaedra 1 minute, or 1 second, and then for 33 seconds.

That's Minnesota. So they did look for help locally.

Strive said:

PeteSilas said:

what got me intrigued was what mani said, a well known producer? I thought that it's possible that he may have met a well known producer in atlanta. It's obvious though that there is or was a trail and any oppurtunity to find it has been bungled. Maybe once a day I still shake my head at Prince, I never thought he'd be so stupid, sorry but i'm still pissed.

Didn't he meet with Cee-Lo Green and (somebody else famous I'm forgetting) after the show before leaving? Still there's a million ways he could have gotten his hands on it. The thing to try to take solace is, however this happened, it was mostly likely an accident. And although he's no longer here, he's at peace and there's a giant archive of material that will allow him to continue to speak far into the future.

It was Janelle Monae'.

PennyPurple said:

What was it CeeLo said after he seen Prince in Atlanta?

Below is the link to the interview CeeLo gave shortly after Prince died that mentions the Atlanta show.

http://www.hlntv.com/shows/morning-express-robin-meade/articles/2016/04/25/ceelo-green-remembers-mentor-and-music-icon-prince/

MMJas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Perhaps tha just shows you how close Tyka really was.

Or it shows nothing more than Kirk didn't have the number and was calling his family to ask them to find Tyka's number. I don't have my Friends' family's phone numbers programmed in my phone. Just a thought. ~~DD55

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leec1 said:

PennyPurple said:

What was it CeeLo said after he seen Prince in Atlanta?

Below is the link to the interview CeeLo gave shortly after Prince died that mentions the Atlanta show.

http://www.hlntv.com/shows/morning-express-robin-meade/articles/2016/04/25/ceelo-green-remembers-mentor-and-music-icon-prince/

I love to hear Cee-Lo speak. He has a gift of gab. He's an excellent speaker.

leec1 said:

PennyPurple said:

What was it CeeLo said after he seen Prince in Atlanta?

Below is the link to the interview CeeLo gave shortly after Prince died that mentions the Atlanta show.

http://www.hlntv.com/shows/morning-express-robin-meade/articles/2016/04/25/ceelo-green-remembers-mentor-and-music-icon-prince/

Thanks Leec1.

What I don't understand is how people are trying to turn Prince into a junkie. Those pills don't really get you high. The relieve pain and can relax you but getting high is something they really can't do. And using them long long term like some people claim is hard to do. They will get you sick long before then.

justalongtimefan said:

What I don't understand is how people are trying to turn Prince into a junkie. Those pills don't really get you high. The relieve pain and can relax you but getting high is something they really can't do. And using them long long term like some people claim is hard to do. They will get you sick long before then.

I think they mean in the sense that they're addictive (re: "junkie")

And, YES, they CAN and DO induce a europhoric like feeling in the user most of the time.

Second thing I bolded is simply not true. You can use them a LONG time if taken as prescribed. Problem is, that users enjoy the europhoria and, after building up a tolerance, can't get that "high" with their usual dose so they keep upping it. It's not an Amy Whinehouse/Keith Richards level of effect, where you're slurring, stumbling and incompetent. If you take 10-30 mg of Hydro a day, no one would ever even know you were taking anything.

I guarantee you that you run into people taking these things every day and interact with tehm constantly without any noticable odd behavior or impairment.

herb4 said:

justalongtimefan said:

What I don't understand is how people are trying to turn Prince into a junkie. Those pills don't really get you high. The relieve pain and can relax you but getting high is something they really can't do. And using them long long term like some people claim is hard to do. They will get you sick long before then.

I think they mean in the sense that they're addictive (re: "junkie")

And, YES, they CAN and DO induce a europhoric like feeling in the user most of the time.

Second thing I bolded is simply not true. You can use them a LONG time if taken as prescribed. Problem is, that users enjoy the europhoria and, after building up a tolerance, can't get that "high" with their usual dose so they keep upping it. It's not an Amy Whinehouse/Keith Richards level of effect, where you're slurring, stumbling and incompetent. If you take 10-30 mg of Hydro a day, no one would ever even know you were taking anything.

I guarantee you that you run into people taking these things every day and interact with tehm constantly without any noticable odd behavior or impairment.

herb4...MISSED YOU LOTS!!! xoxoxo

I agree with you. What I mean is some people are making it seem like he was out there smoking crack or something. Bret Farve was hooked on pain meds and America still loved him. Prince I'm sure was in a lot of pain because be performed often and hard. There is a video of him doing doing the splits with a mike between his legs. That has to hurt doing it for 30 years or so. Jazz musicians take Metroprol for years just to relax and get that grove they're looking for. By no means are they drug addicts. Somebody laced those pills and gave them to Prince. This is why the police are saying it was an Accidental overdose. They know someone laced themand gavethe to Prince but they can't prove or find out who. They know Prince wasn't trying to kill himself. One thing people don't know is those type of things are hard to get from doctors even when you're in pain. If they didn't make them so hard to get, there wouldn't be much value for them on the streets. They are so regulated that they have made a market for them underground.

TrevorAyer said:

Pain killers get u high as fuck ... it was 3 years before i found out on my own ... not from doctors ... that pills ruin your organs ... and quit listens ng to my doctors after that ... the purple rain tour was run on coke .. commom knowledge .. a rock star can’t move 5 feet without being offered any drug they want ... i am sure there was a period prior to lovesexy ... maybe even prior to purple rain when prince was drug free .. but sorry ... dude was on recreational and otherwise drugs most of his life ... the only other person i know notorious for staying up many days in a row is kieth richards ... he never had a pristine image to lie about and at least he admits it ... i find larry renato and kj to be questionable at best but p could walk into any theatre at any time and there would be new or familiar suppliers available ... dark web my ass

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

justalongtimefan said:

I agree with you. What I mean is some people are making it seem like he was out there smoking crack or something. Bret Farve was hooked on pain meds and America still loved him. Prince I'm sure was in a lot of pain because be performed often and hard. There is a video of him doing doing the splits with a mike between his legs. That has to hurt doing it for 30 years or so. Jazz musicians take Metroprol for years just to relax and get that grove they're looking for. By no means are they drug addicts. Somebody laced those pills and gave them to Prince. This is why the police are saying it was an Accidental overdose. They know someone laced themand gavethe to Prince but they can't prove or find out who. They know Prince wasn't trying to kill himself. One thing people don't know is those type of things are hard to get from doctors even when you're in pain. If they didn't make them so hard to get, there wouldn't be much value for them on the streets. They are so regulated that they have made a market for them underground.

Sorry, I disagree. Nobody intentionally set out to kill Prince. He bought street drugs, street drugs are dangerous, he thought he was buying the real thing.

PennyPurple said:

I don't believe anything that comes from the mouth of any Rev member. Let's remember Dr. Fink isn't a real Dr.

Former associates want to put a spin on things, now that Prince is gone because he can't refute them.

No Dr., no medical records, no police report, no investigation records show any heart murmur, cancer, nothing other then slight anemia, he had his wisdom teeth pulled, and surgery on his hip.

I will no longer believe anything his family says, or past associates. I will no longer support any of them. They are liars and fakes.

True words. And good luck, Nelson family with suing Moline hospital?! I mean, if they had actually held Prince there against his will like you all wanted...

[Edited 5/27/18 9:47am]

TrevorAyer said:

Pain killers get u high as fuck ... it was 3 years before i found out on my own ... not from doctors ... that pills ruin your organs ... and quit listens ng to my doctors after that ... the purple rain tour was run on coke .. commom knowledge .. a rock star can’t move 5 feet without being offered any drug they want ... i am sure there was a period prior to lovesexy ... maybe even prior to purple rain when prince was drug free .. but sorry ... dude was on recreational and otherwise drugs most of his life ... the only other person i know notorious for staying up many days in a row is kieth richards ... he never had a pristine image to lie about and at least he admits it ... i find larry renato and kj to be questionable at best but p could walk into any theatre at any time and there would be new or familiar suppliers available ... dark web my ass

he used coke during Purple Rain? Do you have a good source other than it being "common knowledge"? People as close to him at the time, Susan Rogers and several others insist there were no drugs around at the time. either they are lying, were fooled are....there were no drugs going on with P.

DD55 said:

MMJas said:

Perhaps tha just shows you how close Tyka really was.

Or it shows nothing more than Kirk didn't have the number and was calling his family to ask them to find Tyka's number. I don't have my Friends' family's phone numbers programmed in my phone. Just a thought. ~~DD55

.

We know Tyka had to go through Kirk to talk to Prince. So he had her number, most likely.

PennyPurple said:

TrevorAyer said:

Pain killers get u high as fuck ... it was 3 years before i found out on my own ... not from doctors ... that pills ruin your organs ... and quit listens ng to my doctors after that ... the purple rain tour was run on coke .. commom knowledge .. a rock star can’t move 5 feet without being offered any drug they want ... i am sure there was a period prior to lovesexy ... maybe even prior to purple rain when prince was drug free .. but sorry ... dude was on recreational and otherwise drugs most of his life ... the only other person i know notorious for staying up many days in a row is kieth richards ... he never had a pristine image to lie about and at least he admits it ... i find larry renato and kj to be questionable at best but p could walk into any theatre at any time and there would be new or familiar suppliers available ... dark web my ass

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

This.

I'm still surprised after 10 threads, a lot of intense research and very informative posts and links about teh subject that people remain confused about the real nature of these drugs and how they work. They're highly addictive, REALLY work and induce a calm, blissful feeling in the user that diminishes over time.

The incredibly frustrating thing for me (aside from the stubborn, bull headed conspiracy theory die hards) has been watching this conversation unfold for two years now, over 10 threads, and people still chiming in to talk about how "drug addicts" behave, as if it's binary and it's always "fucked up junkie" or "totally functional straight guy". Functional addiction is a real thing. Not everyone who uses drugs turns into Sly Stone, Amy Whinehouse or John Frusciante. It's like nobody has learned anything about drugs since Nancy Reagan went on "Different Strokes".

People use drugs (prescribed or otherwise), drink alcohol, smoke weed and any number of things without crashing their cars into telephone polls, getting fired, passing out in public restrooms. pissing thier pants daily or ruining their lives and becoming dysfunctional drooling retards. There's a fucking SCALE to it and varying degrees of "intensity" or dependency. Same way not everone who joins a church stands on a street corner waving a "JOHN:316/The End is Nigh/Repent" sign or becomes a fanatic about it. Or that any NRA member stockpiles an arsenal in his bomb shelter and waits for the government. It's not always a Nikki Sixx/Scott Weiland/Sid Vicous level of depravity and despair that signifies an addict or even defines a drug user.

Your accountant, banker, doctor, boss, brother, mechanic, Uber driver, bellhop, waiter, lawyer, gardener, mailman, babysitter, nurse, lifeguard, priest, professor, weather man, pro atheletes...a larger percentage than any of you might think...have used drugs at one point or another and often function perfectly fine. Several of them are proabably on drugs RIGHT NOW. This idea that "drugs always ruin your life and anyone who uses them ever winds up on skid row" is outdated, D.A.R.E. level, baby school shit (designed to keep young minds away from things that might possibly cause them trouble) manifested into adult thinking that never moved past that level of critical thought or advanced past TV commercial platitudes about the nature of medication. People take anti depressants, diet pills, LSD, XTC, xanax, lithium, pain meds, ADHD meds, melatonin, adderall...STEROIDS...

You meet them every day and most of them are NOT living out of a shopping cart in a cardboard box. Most of them, by FAR, live in homes, are not criminals, have jobs and contribute to society. Why does the idea that Prince could (and did) function at an extremely high level over a period of years while taking pain meds and ultimately becoming addicted to them have to be an anathema simply because people don't understand this issue past a 3rd grade level? Why is it so difficult to grasp? If Prince's general level of pain killer intake, over time, is what I think it was there's nothing in that level of medication that would preclude him of acheiving what he did. Nothing whatsoever. Especially for an artist.

I can rattle off a hundred of publicly admitted "drug users" that are a-OK and perfectly fine, often highly accomplished people. Some of them had trouble, sure.

*Cue Laura Richardson or some other idiot claiming that I wrote that "all drug users are highly functional".*

Which I've never said. Prince was.

The reason that it seems disproportinate and so "out of whack" - an "epidemic" - is that most people aren't public about thier use (for legal and medically personal reasons) and that you only hear about the out of control cases and high level celebrities or out of control folks that wound up over enabled, in over their heads and ultimately shitting the bed with it all or making a fool out of themselves in public. Also, doctors LEGALLY over prescribed this shit and CREATED addicts while the government locked up pot smokers and drug testing made them unemployable, but that's another discussion.

Maybe we need a "drug/painkiller/weed/alcohol" thread.

everybody is different, every drug is different, put the two together and everyone is different on them. The loose definition of addiction is; anything or substance that has negative life altering effects. that can include anything really but personally, i'm just tired of them, all of them and I don't mean what a good doctor knows you must take, i'm talking about everything else, i'm tired of it because it fucks people up, it fucks them up when they are on them and when they are off them. If you've ever been around a dry drunk or someone with a bad hangover you'd know. I understand it though, probably better than most addicts ever will, it's this consumer, capitalist, competitive bullshit we think we are supposed to live in, no one is happy, whether they have good homes and cars or not, they aren't happy. It's why i live off grid as possible for a city dweller and keep people out of my life. everyone I've ever known for the most part has got some kind of serious imbalance, some need alcohol, some need power, some need money,women,sex,religion,drugs and it's too hard keeping ones own head on straight when you have nothing but stressed out, raving addicts, pissed off at their lives and trying to drag you into their unhappy situation. Is there a need for drugs? of course, is it the very embodiment of the old symbol of the two snakes? "the cure can also kill"? yes and most of our drug/alcohol/relationship abuse is because of other things being out of balance for us as human beings.

herb4 said:

PennyPurple said:

Pain killers will not get you 'high as fuck' if you use them like you are supposed to. Chronic pain patients are on them and they aren't 'high as fuck'. When you ABUSE them is when you get 'high as fuck'.

This.

I'm still surprised after 10 threads, a lot of intense research and very informative posts and links about teh subject that people remain confused about the real nature of these drugs and how they work. They're highly addictive, REALLY work and induce a calm, blissful feeling in the user that diminishes over time.

The incredibly frustrating thing for me (aside from the stubborn, bull headed conspiracy theory die hards) has been watching this conversation unfold for two years now, over 10 threads, and people still chiming in to talk about how "drug addicts" behave, as if it's binary and it's always "fucked up junkie" or "totally functional straight guy". Functional addiction is a real thing. Not everyone who uses drugs turns into Sly Stone, Amy Whinehouse or John Frusciante. It's like nobody has learned anything about drugs since Nancy Reagan went on "Different Strokes".

People use drugs (prescribed or otherwise), drink alcohol, smoke weed and any number of things without crashing their cars into telephone polls, getting fired, passing out in public restrooms. pissing thier pants daily or ruining their lives and becoming dysfunctional drooling retards. There's a fucking SCALE to it and varying degrees of "intensity" or dependency. Same way not everone who joins a church stands on a street corner waving a "JOHN:316/The End is Nigh/Repent" sign or becomes a fanatic about it. Or that any NRA member stockpiles an arsenal in his bomb shelter and waits for the government. It's not always a Nikki Sixx/Scott Weiland/Sid Vicous level of depravity and despair that signifies an addict or even defines a drug user.

Your accountant, banker, doctor, boss, brother, mechanic, Uber driver, bellhop, waiter, lawyer, gardener, mailman, babysitter, nurse, lifeguard, priest, professor, weather man, pro atheletes...a larger percentage than any of you might think...have used drugs at one point or another and often function perfectly fine. Several of them are proabably on drugs RIGHT NOW. This idea that "drugs always ruin your life and anyone who uses them ever winds up on skid row" is outdated, D.A.R.E. level, baby school shit (designed to keep young minds away from things that might possibly cause them trouble) manifested into adult thinking that never moved past that level of critical thought or advanced past TV commercial platitudes about the nature of medication. People take anti depressants, diet pills, LSD, XTC, xanax, lithium, pain meds, ADHD meds, melatonin, adderall...STEROIDS...

You meet them every day and most of them are NOT living out of a shopping cart in a cardboard box. Most of them, by FAR, live in homes, are not criminals, have jobs and contribute to society. Why does the idea that Prince could (and did) function at an extremely high level over a period of years while taking pain meds and ultimately becoming addicted to them have to be an anathema simply because people don't understand this issue past a 3rd grade level? Why is it so difficult to grasp? If Prince's general level of pain killer intake, over time, is what I think it was there's nothing in that level of medication that would preclude him of acheiving what he did. Nothing whatsoever. Especially for an artist.

I can rattle off a hundred of publicly admitted "drug users" that are a-OK and perfectly fine, often highly accomplished people. Some of them had trouble, sure.

*Cue Laura Richardson or some other idiot claiming that I wrote that "all drug users are highly functional".*

Which I've never said. Prince was.

The reason that it seems disproportinate and so "out of whack" - an "epidemic" - is that most people aren't public about thier use (for legal and medically personal reasons) and that you only hear about the out of control cases and high level celebrities or out of control folks that wound up over enabled, in over their heads and ultimately shitting the bed with it all or making a fool out of themselves in public. Also, doctors LEGALLY over prescribed this shit and CREATED addicts while the government locked up pot smokers and drug testing made them unemployable, but that's another discussion.

Maybe we need a "drug/painkiller/weed/alcohol" thread.

fortuneandserendipity said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't believe anything that comes from the mouth of any Rev member. Let's remember Dr. Fink isn't a real Dr.

Former associates want to put a spin on things, now that Prince is gone because he can't refute them.

No Dr., no medical records, no police report, no investigation records show any heart murmur, cancer, nothing other then slight anemia, he had his wisdom teeth pulled, and surgery on his hip.

I will no longer believe anything his family says, or past associates. I will no longer support any of them. They are liars and fakes.

True words. And good luck, Nelson family with suing Moline hospital?! I mean, if they had actually held Prince there against his will like you all wanted...

[Edited 5/27/18 9:47am]

I bet his family found out about the landing in Moline, when we, the fans found out. They just want money.