PeteSilas said:

nelcp777 said:

Bassette said:

20 minutes ago I woke up, because of stomach-ache . And while drinking water, reading some WhatsApps, and reading this thread I had this strange surprise. If he was in such agonizing pain, how on earth could he become 57 years? What was his drive to continue, to continue and to continue? Life is so fragile, and yet he made 57 years! How did he do that?

how did he overcome his pain? obviously by taking and becoming addicted to pain pills. duh.

nelcp777 said:

After finally reading Judith Hill's transcript, she does descibe Prince being in a darker/deprerssed manner. She states that he made remarks about if he was not there for the summer concerts to make sure she will be there (paraphrasing). Even the detective asked about suicisde or depression, Judith stated 50/50. Interesting.

So, Prince did not use a credit card. We now know he used cash. So, I would assume it would have been difficult for Prince to purchase pills online with out a credit card. Paypal type of accounts could be traced to banks, that would have left some trail. Prince could have gave cash to someone in his inner circle to procure the pills, or Prince could have sent cash via fedex/ups to receive the pills in the same manner.

Cash is hard to trace, but if Prince paid via an account, there would be some odd transactions that may stand out, on a pattern (ie every 2 months or 4 months).

Judith said he took 2 pills from the bayer bottle on the plane. Prince blames the narcan for his condition. She also said Prince told her he mixed the pills. He never said percocets, only what was in the bayer. We do not know if Prince had fentanyl in his system in Moline, no bloodwork was done per Prince. Could he have taken 1 pill from the aleve bottle (no fentanyl) and 1 from the bayer (fentanyl) and this caused the od?

Was there any confirmation that the black bag only had the bayer bottle and not any other bottles during the Moline flight?

I have a suspicion these pills came from the Dark Web.

You use bit coins which are encripted, and everything on the Dark Web is encrypted.

There would be no way to trace any transactions.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

After finally reading Judith Hill's transcript, she does descibe Prince being in a darker/deprerssed manner. She states that he made remarks about if he was not there for the summer concerts to make sure she will be there (paraphrasing). Even the detective asked about suicisde or depression, Judith stated 50/50. Interesting.

So, Prince did not use a credit card. We now know he used cash. So, I would assume it would have been difficult for Prince to purchase pills online with out a credit card. Paypal type of accounts could be traced to banks, that would have left some trail. Prince could have gave cash to someone in his inner circle to procure the pills, or Prince could have sent cash via fedex/ups to receive the pills in the same manner.

Cash is hard to trace, but if Prince paid via an account, there would be some odd transactions that may stand out, on a pattern (ie every 2 months or 4 months).

Judith said he took 2 pills from the bayer bottle on the plane. Prince blames the narcan for his condition. She also said Prince told her he mixed the pills. He never said percocets, only what was in the bayer. We do not know if Prince had fentanyl in his system in Moline, no bloodwork was done per Prince. Could he have taken 1 pill from the aleve bottle (no fentanyl) and 1 from the bayer (fentanyl) and this caused the od?

Was there any confirmation that the black bag only had the bayer bottle and not any other bottles during the Moline flight?

I have a suspicion these pills came from the Dark Web.

You use bit coins which are encripted, and everything on the Dark Web is encrypted.

There would be no way to trace any transactions.

I can see that, the use of the Dark Web. I am not sure how bitcoins work, but have heard of them and they are associated with the dark web. I also believe that the order was shipped to the Inn (and quite possibly PP).

Some pills contained the new synthetic U-44700. Do you think these pills were ordered specifically with the contents or that Vicodine was ordered and the supplier just used what was "on-hand"?

Judith was adament that she did not see any bottles after the Moline incident during her short stay at PP.

Trying to make sense of this is like a revolving door.

My guess is that he had a human supplier (maybe someone who was supplying him for a while, maybe a new person. But someone he trusted). From what I've read about him, it doesn't seem like he was personally tech savvy enough to use bitcoins to buy off the dark web (that requires a certain level of tech knowhow).

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His human supplier may have used those methods to get their stuff

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

nelcp777 said:

After finally reading Judith Hill's transcript, she does descibe Prince being in a darker/deprerssed manner. She states that he made remarks about if he was not there for the summer concerts to make sure she will be there (paraphrasing). Even the detective asked about suicisde or depression, Judith stated 50/50. Interesting.

So, Prince did not use a credit card. We now know he used cash. So, I would assume it would have been difficult for Prince to purchase pills online with out a credit card. Paypal type of accounts could be traced to banks, that would have left some trail. Prince could have gave cash to someone in his inner circle to procure the pills, or Prince could have sent cash via fedex/ups to receive the pills in the same manner.

Cash is hard to trace, but if Prince paid via an account, there would be some odd transactions that may stand out, on a pattern (ie every 2 months or 4 months).

Judith said he took 2 pills from the bayer bottle on the plane. Prince blames the narcan for his condition. She also said Prince told her he mixed the pills. He never said percocets, only what was in the bayer. We do not know if Prince had fentanyl in his system in Moline, no bloodwork was done per Prince. Could he have taken 1 pill from the aleve bottle (no fentanyl) and 1 from the bayer (fentanyl) and this caused the od?

Was there any confirmation that the black bag only had the bayer bottle and not any other bottles during the Moline flight?

I have a suspicion these pills came from the Dark Web.

You use bit coins which are encripted, and everything on the Dark Web is encrypted.

There would be no way to trace any transactions.

disch said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

disch said:

My guess is that he had a human supplier (maybe someone who was supplying him for a while, maybe a new person. But someone he trusted). From what I've read about him, it doesn't seem like he was personally tech savvy enough to use bitcoins to buy off the dark web (that requires a certain level of tech knowhow).

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His human supplier may have used those methods to get their stuff

Yes, in the files Manuela stated that a well known producer was his dealer in the past. That same person tried to attend her memorial service but she blocked him/her from attending

I didnt necessarily mean P ordered from the Dark Web. If P was savy enough to find the Org, Media Take Out, and how to Skype then he was tech savy enough for the Dark Web.
But it could have been P or someone else ordering for him.

I also believe the pills were delivered to the Country Inn which is why the detectives asked everyone they interviewed about deliveries being made there.

M2 waited 10 years too late to notify the police, eh?

to me, using bitcoins and accessing the dark web is a lot harder than visiting prince.org or similar sites. I come to this site fairly regularly but I have to admit i'd be stymied if I had to execute a dark-web bitcoin transaction!

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

disch said: Yes, in the files Manuela stated that a well known producer was his dealer in the past. That same person tried to attend her memorial service but she blocked him/her from attending

I didnt necessarily mean P ordered from the Dark Web. If P was savy enough to find the Org, Media Take Out, and how to Skype then he was tech savy enough for the Dark Web.
But it could have been P or someone else ordering for him.

I also believe the pills were delivered to the Country Inn which is why the detectives asked everyone they interviewed about deliveries being made there.

M2 waited 10 years too late to notify the police, eh?

disch said:

My guess is that he had a human supplier (maybe someone who was supplying him for a while, maybe a new person. But someone he trusted). From what I've read about him, it doesn't seem like he was personally tech savvy enough to use bitcoins to buy off the dark web (that requires a certain level of tech knowhow).

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His human supplier may have used those methods to get their stuff

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I have a suspicion these pills came from the Dark Web.

You use bit coins which are encripted, and everything on the Dark Web is encrypted.

There would be no way to trace any transactions.

Good point about the supplier utilizing the dark web. Do you think Prince's focus on the Narcan and wanting to study that was to find something that Narcan was not effective on? I am leaning this toward the suicide perspective juust for discussion. Personally, I do not think Prince had that much knowledge of pain meds to special order pills.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

disch said: Yes, in the files Manuela stated that a well known producer was his dealer in the past. That same person tried to attend her memorial service but she blocked him/her from attending

I didnt necessarily mean P ordered from the Dark Web. If P was savy enough to find the Org, Media Take Out, and how to Skype then he was tech savy enough for the Dark Web.
But it could have been P or someone else ordering for him.

I also believe the pills were delivered to the Country Inn which is why the detectives asked everyone they interviewed about deliveries being made there.

M2 waited 10 years too late to notify the police, eh?

+1

precioux said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I didnt necessarily mean P ordered from the Dark Web. If P was savy enough to find the Org, Media Take Out, and how to Skype then he was tech savy enough for the Dark Web.
But it could have been P or someone else ordering for him.

I also believe the pills were delivered to the Country Inn which is why the detectives asked everyone they interviewed about deliveries being made there.

M2 waited 10 years too late to notify the police, eh?

+1

I am in agreement, and that narrows down considerable the list of possible procurers, though, there is a level or degree of saying, I did not know what was in the packages.

Could law enforcement not contact fedex or ups and try to get a shipping list of shipments in a particular time frame?

nelcp777 said:

precioux said:

+1

I am in agreement, and that narrows down considerable the list of possible procurers, though, there is a level or degree of saying, I did not know what was in the packages.

Could law enforcement not contact fedex or ups and try to get a shipping list of shipments in a particular time frame?

Im sure they could get a list from FedEx and UPS, and it was probably the DEA who requested it since we dont see it in the Sheriff's investigation records. I am sure the return address would be fake.

I talked to a detective and was told ordering off the Dark Web is as easy as ordering off Amazon, and is just as easy to manuever. The police are lurking on the Dark Web but cannot make arrests because of the encryption.

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I'm taking another look at the phone records. Wonder why SheilaE was calling KJ at 2:35 am on 4/21?

Zip file 5 page 8

Looks like KJ called Phaedra and his girlfriend 1st, then his ex-wife. He then had incoming and outgoing calls to an attorney that works with Phaedra. THEN calls Tyka, who he did not reach.

Gets call from Fox News 9 and calls them back.

Calls his brother, and Larry Graham.

Strange that KJ's family knew he had passed before Prince's family knew.

PennyPurple said:

I'm taking another look at the phone records. Wonder why SheilaE was calling KJ at 2:35 am on 4/21?

Zip file 5 page 8

Looks like KJ called Phaedra and his girlfriend 1st, then his ex-wife. He then had incoming and outgoing calls to an attorney that works with Phaedra. THEN calls Tyka, who he did not reach.

Gets call from Fox News 9 and calls them back.

Calls his brother, and Larry Graham.

Strange that KJ's family knew he had passed before Prince's family knew.

What? And what time did Fox News call? That's kind of weird......

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm taking another look at the phone records. Wonder why SheilaE was calling KJ at 2:35 am on 4/21?

Zip file 5 page 8

Looks like KJ called Phaedra and his girlfriend 1st, then his ex-wife. He then had incoming and outgoing calls to an attorney that works with Phaedra. THEN calls Tyka, who he did not reach.

Gets call from Fox News 9 and calls them back.

Calls his brother, and Larry Graham.

Strange that KJ's family knew he had passed before Prince's family knew.

What? And what time did Fox News call? That's kind of weird......

Starting at 10:57 am, Inez Perez started calling and KJ was calling them back. Lot's of calls between Inez Perez and KJ.

Lot's of incoming and outgoing calls from/to Janelle Monae,

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Starting at 10:57 am, Inez Perez started calling and KJ was calling them back. Lot's of calls between Inez Perez and KJ.

Okay, so Fox News calling isn't really odd. But KJ calling his own Family before Prince's still is.

Yeah and Phaedra's lawyer calling KJ, and KJ calling her back too.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Starting at 10:57 am, Inez Perez started calling and KJ was calling them back. Lot's of calls between Inez Perez and KJ.

Okay, so Fox News calling isn't really odd. But KJ calling his own Family before Prince's still is.

it shows you how 'close' Prince was to his family... his closest friend of decades knew they were insignificant in his life.

Even if PRince wasn't super tight with his siblings (more than half of them were way older than him and didnt grow up with him), they were still family. Weltons said they only saw Tyka twice. Even if Prince only physically saw Tyka twice in the four years that the Weltons knew him...that's not that abnormal (and Weltons were not around 24 hours a day or necessarily present when he made a phone call. ) The reports said he called her every 2 or 4 months and he generally kept the conversations positive. Sadly, he wasn't tight with Omarr due to religious conflicts or with her kids for whatever reason. Anyhow, despite the distance, Tyka still knew him all her life. Maybe, KJ called his own family first to ask them how to deal with telling others. Maybe he was trying to figure out what to say to Tyka. His family saw his body, then wanted a blanket to cover it but removed the blanket to see his face again. Those do sound like the actions of those mourning a loss. Tyka's been weird about her brother and far from consistent...mourning can look that way (with conflicted and confusing feelings). I don't know what's in that woman's heart but i am not going to assume she is indifferent or unfeeling.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said: Okay, so Fox News calling isn't really odd. But KJ calling his own Family before Prince's still is.

it shows you how 'close' Prince was to his family... his closest friend of decades knew they were insignificant in his life.

[Edited 5/24/18 21:17pm]

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said: Okay, so Fox News calling isn't really odd. But KJ calling his own Family before Prince's still is.

Yeah and Phaedra's lawyer calling KJ, and KJ calling her back too.

Yeah, these people rub me the wrong way.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said: Okay, so Fox News calling isn't really odd. But KJ calling his own Family before Prince's still is.

it shows you how 'close' Prince was to his family... his closest friend of decades knew they were insignificant in his life.

Yeah, but I'd still call them first. :/

I think in the shock of the moment (and I accept that KJ was shocked at that time) you might not be thinking 100% clearly and you might just want to hear the voice of someone you're personally close to. It might take a certain amount of time just to get your head together. It doesn't seem that off-the-wall to me.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

it shows you how 'close' Prince was to his family... his closest friend of decades knew they were insignificant in his life.

Yeah, but I'd still call them first. :/

disch said:

I think in the shock of the moment (and I accept that KJ was shocked at that time) you might not be thinking 100% clearly and you might just want to hear the voice of someone you're personally close to. It might take a certain amount of time just to get your head together. It doesn't seem that off-the-wall to me.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah, but I'd still call them first. :/

Agree. Would like to think I'd call them first, but can easily see someone doing that when sad and distressed in such a situation.

disch said:

I think in the shock of the moment (and I accept that KJ was shocked at that time) you might not be thinking 100% clearly and you might just want to hear the voice of someone you're personally close to. It might take a certain amount of time just to get your head together. It doesn't seem that off-the-wall to me.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah, but I'd still call them first. :/

co-sign

disch said:

I think in the shock of the moment (and I accept that KJ was shocked at that time) you might not be thinking 100% clearly and you might just want to hear the voice of someone you're personally close to. It might take a certain amount of time just to get your head together. It doesn't seem that off-the-wall to me.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah, but I'd still call them first. :/