leec1 said:

disch said:

i agree. i'm skeptical of the claims of a serious/terminal underlying condition because they don't really jibe with the autopsy and the investigtion files. I don't doubt that insider(s) told people that at the time of his death, but perhaps what they maybe even truly believed at time wasn't actually accurate.

I also wonder if many of the insider(s) are not familiar with the changes of appearance in addicts when they have reached the point of a loss of control. The appearance changes can mirror other illnesses and this may have been confusing to them. I have seen this situation with addicts many times as well as the aftermath: overdosing.....

I am excluding Tyka from what I am stating above because I just don't believe anything she says.

At this point, I trust "my gut" more than I would the "insider(s)".

Yes

disch said:

Well we definitely know that right after prince's death source(s) were saying that prince's immune system was compromised due to some condition and/or treatment, and that "people close to him were very concerned for his health," because People magazine reported that allegation.

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It's just hard to line that up with everything that came out from the investigation in the months/years after that. I mean, at the time People reported the immune-system story, the official word from his camp was still that "the flu" caused the Moline emergency.

benni said:

disch, what I am saying is, that we just don't know. What I mean by "under control" is that Prince felt like it was under control, perhaps, whether it was or wasn't. Or Prince had just come to some kind of acceptance of it, and wasn't willing to undergo whatever treatment might be necessary, so just didn't mention it, knowing that if he did, Dr. S would try to treat him for that condition. OR perhaps, Prince felt like the most immediate concern was what he mentioned to Dr. S, that any other underlying condition was not of immediate concern to him. Who knows? All of that is speculation. However, I don't think that one person would tell me that Prince was "ready" and that "he had prepared them" from that inner circle, and someone else tell TC whatever he was told from that inner circle, if there isn't something to it. Tyka was saying she was told about 2 or 3 years earlier....and then backtracked. It's interesting that the 2 to 3 years came about not long after Prince had passed, when emotions were still raw, when she probably still wasn't thinking things through clearly and was under immense pressure and that she backtracked later, by several months to a year, after she had calmed down emotionally, had time to think things through, and decide what she truly wanted, and didn't want, to share with the world.

POSSIBLE Factors (re: people in general -- not P specific)

1) possible interactions of opiates and immune system ("Prescripton opioids increase risk for serious infections"): https://www.medscape.com/...cle/892586

2) As most people know, not treating/undertreating some relatively common infections can lead to more serious situations.

leec1 said:

disch said:

i agree. i'm skeptical of the claims of a serious/terminal underlying condition because they don't really jibe with the autopsy and the investigtion files. I don't doubt that insider(s) told people that at the time of his death, but perhaps what they maybe even truly believed at time wasn't actually accurate.

I also wonder if many of the insider(s) are not familiar with the changes of appearance in addicts when they have reached the point of a loss of control. The appearance changes can mirror other illnesses and this may have been confusing to them. I have seen this situation with addicts many times as well as the aftermath: overdosing.....

I am excluding Tyka from what I am stating above because I just don't believe anything she says.

At this point, I trust "my gut" more than I would the "insider(s)".

What about the picture Tyka said Prince sent her? She also said she sent it to Andre. He never denied it.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

leec1 said:

I also wonder if many of the insider(s) are not familiar with the changes of appearance in addicts when they have reached the point of a loss of control. The appearance changes can mirror other illnesses and this may have been confusing to them. I have seen this situation with addicts many times as well as the aftermath: overdosing.....

I am excluding Tyka from what I am stating above because I just don't believe anything she says.

At this point, I trust "my gut" more than I would the "insider(s)".

What about the picture Tyka said Prince sent her? She also said she sent it to Andre. He never denied it.

I wasn't trusting of remarks from Tyka even before the release of the investigation files. This was because of what she said, body language..... When the investigation files were released and Tyka didn't tell Law Enforcement there were any issues, I felt this just reinforced my opinion that she wasn't trustworthy.

Regarding Andre, I haven't seen many comments/statements from him. The only specific statement I remember seeing was the HLN show: Prince the End and Andre said that Prince had sustained injuries and had to take drugs. He didn't elaborate; just made the statement. The impression I get from Andre is that he would prefer to maintain Prince's privacy.

rednblue said:

leec1 said:

I also wonder if many of the insider(s) are not familiar with the changes of appearance in addicts when they have reached the point of a loss of control. The appearance changes can mirror other illnesses and this may have been confusing to them. I have seen this situation with addicts many times as well as the aftermath: overdosing.....

I am excluding Tyka from what I am stating above because I just don't believe anything she says.

At this point, I trust "my gut" more than I would the "insider(s)".

Yes

Yes, the loss of control aspect would def have a major impact on ones' appearance....as well as be equally emotionally horrific to someone whose whole life was defined by control.

benni said:

leec1 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

What about the picture Tyka said Prince sent her? She also said she sent it to Andre. He never denied it.

I wasn't trusting of remarks from Tyka even before the release of the investigation files. This was because of what she said, body language..... When the investigation files were released and Tyka didn't tell Law Enforcement there were any issues, I felt this just reinforced my opinion that she wasn't trustworthy.

Regarding Andre, I haven't seen many comments/statements from him. The only specific statement I remember seeing was the HLN show: Prince the End and Andre said that Prince had sustained injuries and had to take drugs. He didn't elaborate; just made the statement. The impression I get from Andre is that he would prefer to maintain Prince's privacy.

Actually I couldn't say anything more nicer about Andre. He's the epitome of a CLASS ACT. I will FOREVER support him and have even before Prince transitioned.

Lovejunky said:

benni said:

Or it was Kirk that had the rash, not Prince. Kirk is asking the doctor if he is supposed to take all 3 of the medications prescribed. Because later he asks if they are able to come in earlier because Prince is asking for fluids.

No Idea...

either way..theres never been any mention of it

IF that was Kirk...then Kirk didnt mention in his Statment that he was also asking for scripts at the same time as Prince

And If that was Prince using Kirks phone, where is the picture of the Bottle of Valacyclovir ?

When the Police had pictures Pill bottles from the scripts Kirk got filled at Wallgreens ?

The Text Clearly mentions THREE BOTTLES

here are the three Bottles recovered from Kirk

once again something doesnt add up...

EDITED TO INCLUDE ABOVE PICTURE

[Edited 5/19/18 0:39am]

[Edited 5/19/18 0:46am]

The script for herpes and /or shingles was given to KJ on the 19th. That script along with others were found in the trash, all accounted for. See Electronic Records.

luv4u said:

cloveringold85 said:

Prince would have turned 60 next month. Saw this on a magazine rack the other day.

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[Edited 5/18/18 17:34pm]

Prince don't look a day over 40

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He had a baby face.

leec1 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

Or it was Kirk that had the rash, not Prince. Kirk is asking the doctor if he is supposed to take all 3 of the medications prescribed. Because later he asks if they are able to come in earlier because Prince is asking for fluids.

Agree Kirk seemed to have issues and Dr S was Kirks dr it's possible not all meds and discussions were about Prince. This was Kirks phone. [Edited 5/19/18 9:43am]

THANK YOU ALL..

TrcikyChristopher said:

MMJas said:

Listen. Tricky? Come on. First you said you did not know what it was. Now you are saying you do. So just spit it out. No need for names. No need to blow the lid on anyone. Just say what the ilness was. You yourself said it would not affect his reputation or estate. Just say it.

You said a physical ilness. You said we were close with our assumptions. And you said it was not Aids/HIV. So that leaves:

- organ canc

- artritis

There were no other ilnesses proposed, i don't think? Which one was it?

And what do you mean about asociates alluding to certain things? Like what?

I want to apologize first to anyone who thinks I'm being manipulative or going through a song and dance about something that is serious. It's not my intention to seem obtuse.

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I'm going to answer a few things under the confines of what I've been allowed to discuss. Please bear in mind the following: while I don't know myself what happened because I wasn't there, I've been given info that was specific enough for me to believe them. After this, I'm not bringing it up again because it's become more trouble than it's worth to "say things without saying them".

To clarify: according to what I was told, these are the alleged health problems I can talk about. I'm saying "alleged" profusely from now on (sorry), not because I don't necessarily believe it or because it's false, but to cover my own ass and the people who told me the info 2 years ago and told me what I could and could not divulge. My sources are still around. My reluctance to publicly relay specifics is out of loyalty to them - not the estate, not the fans, not even Prince himself because his intense need for privacy at all costs led to this confusion to begin with. I will love Prince and his music forever, but these past 2 years of "I know but won't tell" is draining.

Anything that I don't divulge is for my sources to divulge in their own time and on their own terms.

1) I was told that there were allegedly significant health issues (re-occurring) that were unrelated to his pain med use and that he was actively fighting them. My sources had no knowledge of any pain med abuse. Regarding his actual pain med abuse, the alleged OD in 2010/2011 where he almost died was completely unrelated to his other alleged health issues. Those came later.

2) I was told that it was NOT HIV/AIDS but allegedly mimicked some of the symptoms and may have explained other alleged symptoms or diagnoses, including symptoms most recently revealed. My sources only referred to one alleged diagnosis. The blind item that went out 3 days before he passed (as "close, but no cigar" as it was) cannot be challenged nor can tabloids be held accountable because once he DID pass, under the law, the deceased cannot be defamed. That is the reason for the lack of libel lawsuits. In my case, I choose not to say more because my sources are still lurking about.

3) Given the release of information since April of 2016, especially the most recent, any officially released info or documentation does not necessarily discount what I was told.

4) Associates (and I use the word broadly) saying things like "I knew 2 years before he died" or things of that nature fall in line with everything I was told in 2016. Sidenote - in certain cases, that does not necessarily mean that they were as "associated" to Prince at the time as they currently make it out to be.

Again, the reason why I'm not saying much more than that is out of respect for the people who provided said info to me. I really hope people understand that I'm not trying to mindfuck anyone. I'm just trying to let people know that yes, according to my sources, allegedly, there were other issues. Serious issues that under other circumstances could have and should have been prevented. In the end, though, Prince's personal decisions outside of (and in tandem with) those alleged issues is why he's not here today. Don't shoot the messenger. It's the people within his circle that DO know that can easily confirm or deny things that keep this guessing going. As for me, I'm done.

How could he actively fight significant recurring health issues if he wasn't seeing a physician on a regular basis? Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg, who was Kirk's physician, not Prince's physician.

Lovejunky said:

Dimitri10 said:

symptoms he had seem to point to Rheumatoid Arthritis

YES..

not unusual for any man of 57...not to mention one who perfomed like an elite althlete

for most of his life

I'm not a physician so I don't want to diagnose him with anything, but rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis are not far-fetched at all.

[Edited 5/19/18 17:42pm]

zenarose said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

It might be possible that Prince was trying to get Kirk help and Kirk was not wanting to get sent away...

Uh...NO.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

Or it was Kirk that had the rash, not Prince. Kirk is asking the doctor if he is supposed to take all 3 of the medications prescribed. Because later he asks if they are able to come in earlier because Prince is asking for fluids.

Agree Kirk seemed to have issues and Dr S was Kirks dr it's possible not all meds and discussions were about Prince. This was Kirks phone. [Edited 5/19/18 9:43am]

I believe the texts about the rash are for Kirk. If I remember correctly, Kirk filled scripts at CVS and Walgreens. I believe the CVS scripts were his.

206Michelle said:

Lovejunky said:

YES..

not unusual for any man of 57...not to mention one who perfomed like an elite althlete

for most of his life

I'm not a physician so I don't want to diagnose him with anything, but rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis are not far-fetched at all.

[Edited 5/19/18 17:42pm]

Me niether, Dr S may know.....

presents in those between the ages of 40-60

• Hands
• Feet
• Wrists
• Elbows
• Knees
• Ankles
• Anemia
• Dry eyes
• Fatigue
• Minor fever
• Loss of appetite
• Skin rash
• Muscle aches
• Neck pain (if the RA is in the cervical spine)
• Morning stiffness
• Weight loss
• depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, and feelings of helplessness

206Michelle said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

I want to apologize first to anyone who thinks I'm being manipulative or going through a song and dance about something that is serious. It's not my intention to seem obtuse.

.

I'm going to answer a few things under the confines of what I've been allowed to discuss. Please bear in mind the following: while I don't know myself what happened because I wasn't there, I've been given info that was specific enough for me to believe them. After this, I'm not bringing it up again because it's become more trouble than it's worth to "say things without saying them".

To clarify: according to what I was told, these are the alleged health problems I can talk about. I'm saying "alleged" profusely from now on (sorry), not because I don't necessarily believe it or because it's false, but to cover my own ass and the people who told me the info 2 years ago and told me what I could and could not divulge. My sources are still around. My reluctance to publicly relay specifics is out of loyalty to them - not the estate, not the fans, not even Prince himself because his intense need for privacy at all costs led to this confusion to begin with. I will love Prince and his music forever, but these past 2 years of "I know but won't tell" is draining.

Anything that I don't divulge is for my sources to divulge in their own time and on their own terms.

1) I was told that there were allegedly significant health issues (re-occurring) that were unrelated to his pain med use and that he was actively fighting them. My sources had no knowledge of any pain med abuse. Regarding his actual pain med abuse, the alleged OD in 2010/2011 where he almost died was completely unrelated to his other alleged health issues. Those came later.

2) I was told that it was NOT HIV/AIDS but allegedly mimicked some of the symptoms and may have explained other alleged symptoms or diagnoses, including symptoms most recently revealed. My sources only referred to one alleged diagnosis. The blind item that went out 3 days before he passed (as "close, but no cigar" as it was) cannot be challenged nor can tabloids be held accountable because once he DID pass, under the law, the deceased cannot be defamed. That is the reason for the lack of libel lawsuits. In my case, I choose not to say more because my sources are still lurking about.

3) Given the release of information since April of 2016, especially the most recent, any officially released info or documentation does not necessarily discount what I was told.

4) Associates (and I use the word broadly) saying things like "I knew 2 years before he died" or things of that nature fall in line with everything I was told in 2016. Sidenote - in certain cases, that does not necessarily mean that they were as "associated" to Prince at the time as they currently make it out to be.

Again, the reason why I'm not saying much more than that is out of respect for the people who provided said info to me. I really hope people understand that I'm not trying to mindfuck anyone. I'm just trying to let people know that yes, according to my sources, allegedly, there were other issues. Serious issues that under other circumstances could have and should have been prevented. In the end, though, Prince's personal decisions outside of (and in tandem with) those alleged issues is why he's not here today. Don't shoot the messenger. It's the people within his circle that DO know that can easily confirm or deny things that keep this guessing going. As for me, I'm done.

How could he actively fight significant recurring health issues if he wasn't seeing a physician on a regular basis? Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg, who was Kirk's physician, not Prince's physician.

If he had been seeing a doctor for his supposed ilness and now decided to see Kirk's doctor for the pain issues, perhaps because the other doctor would not give him pain medication, wanting him to detox, whatever, a doctor abroad even, wouldn't that doctor have to bo contacted by the Police for the investigation?
Just a supposition.

MMJas said:

206Michelle said:

How could he actively fight significant recurring health issues if he wasn't seeing a physician on a regular basis? Prince saw Dr. Schulenberg, who was Kirk's physician, not Prince's physician.

If he had been seeing a doctor for his supposed ilness and now decided to see Kirk's doctor for the pain issues, perhaps because the other doctor would not give him pain medication, wanting him to detox, whatever, a doctor abroad even, wouldn't that doctor have to bo contacted by the Police for the investigation?
Just a supposition.

There was no other doctors. Because Prince like most men didn't like going to the doctor. Only for B-12 injections and for IV treatment for dehydration.

Murder is the weakest theory of the three in my opinion. Its a theory based on a lack of information and the money made after his death...no more. In other words, because stuff was destroyed and covered up and becuase folks made money after he died...he must have been murdered?? But deleting stuff and removing files could be motivated a myriad of reasons and I am not sure people had the foresight to know that folks would react strongly to his death to such a degree. WB had bigger fish to fry than Prince (sadly) so I don't see with them. The folks around him didn't seem to hate him to that degree. Even if they were the worst of enablers, I still not see that as premediated murder. There are people much more dysfunctional, powerful, revenue-producing and scary than Prince who aren't murdered by their staff.

RJP1205 said:

I've come to the conclusion that we will never know what happened to our sweet Prince. With all the information we have over 2 years there seems to be 3 trains of thought - accidental OD, suicide or murder - and 'evidence' that supports and disproves each theory. It's extremely frustrating for anyone searching for some sort of closure to this whole tragedy. Our Prince was a great mystery in life and in death. For me, I will continue to look on with my purple colored glasses because I think the world of him and none of this changes that.

He was getting help for opioid dependence. In spite of that, he couldn't resist the impulse to self-medicate with illegally obtained pills. We know what happened next. I'm predicting no one will be arrested and the lawsuit the estate has filed against WalGreens and the Moline Hospital will be dismissed by a federal judge.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

MMJas said:

If he had been seeing a doctor for his supposed ilness and now decided to see Kirk's doctor for the pain issues, perhaps because the other doctor would not give him pain medication, wanting him to detox, whatever, a doctor abroad even, wouldn't that doctor have to bo contacted by the Police for the investigation?
Just a supposition.

There was no other doctors. Because Prince like most men didn't like going to the doctor. Only for B-12 injections and for IV treatment for dehydration.

So many assumption over what Prince liked/thought/felt/feared/loved...

Identity said:

He was getting help for opioid dependence. In spite of that, he couldn't resist the impulse to self-medicate with illegally obtained pills. We know what happened next. I'm predicting no one will be arrested and the lawsuit the estate has filed against WalGreens and the Moline Hospital will be dismissed by a federal judge.

He hadn't even begun to get help for opioid dependency. No one will be arrested because the case is closed unless new evidence comes to light. Which after 2 years, chances are probably nil.

MMJas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

There was no other doctors. Because Prince like most men didn't like going to the doctor. Only for B-12 injections and for IV treatment for dehydration.

So many assumption over what Prince liked/thought/felt/feared/loved...

Isn't that why U here reading it?

Identity said:

He was getting help for opioid dependence. In spite of that, he couldn't resist the impulse to self-medicate with illegally obtained pills. We know what happened next. I'm predicting no one will be arrested and the lawsuit the estate has filed against WalGreens and the Moline Hospital will be dismissed by a federal judge.

He hadn't even begun to get help for opioid dependency. No one will be arrested because the case is closed unless new evidence comes to light. Which after 2 years, chances are probably nil.

disch said:

Agree. Its a little strange to read some posts here that sound like it’s not clear that an official 2 year investigation was conducted, that the investigators came to a particular conclusion (that his death was an accident from of self administered Fentanyl contained in counterfeit pills he didn’t know were toxically laced), and that there was a lot of information revealed that shows that his opioid use was a major health problem for him toward the end of his life. - People can reject the investigators conclusions for a variety of reasons, but there isn’t any official ongoing investigation that’s going to reveal something different than that. For all intents and purposes It’s done. - PennyPurple said:

Identity said:

He was getting help for opioid dependence. In spite of that, he couldn't resist the impulse to self-medicate with illegally obtained pills. We know what happened next. I'm predicting no one will be arrested and the lawsuit the estate has filed against WalGreens and the Moline Hospital will be dismissed by a federal judge.

He hadn't even begun to get help for opioid dependency. No one will be arrested because the case is closed unless new evidence comes to light. Which after 2 years, chances are probably nil.

[Edited 5/20/18 10:42am]

I was just watching a follow up investigation on the death of Caylee Anthony. It showed that there were some major mistakes made in this investigation. As an example, it was reported 3 times to the police, just a few months after the child's disappearance by a utility worker of a suspicious trash bag (1/4 mile from the Anthony residence) that ended up being where the child's body was dumped. The child's body wasn't recovered for 6 months after the disappearance so it appears that a lot of forensic evidence was lost as the cause of death reported by the medical examiner couldn't be established.

I am bringing this up because it seems it may be more common than we think that major mistakes are made by LE that can make a difference in the outcome of investigations.

In Prince's case, I wonder if the DEA ever did their own forensic investigation of his laptop since they were given a copy of the hard drive and ended up recovering the lost data. We don't know if this is possibly happened since the DEA investigation information has not been released.

[Edited 5/20/18 11:08am]

leec1 said:

disch said:

The expert who did the forensic laptop analysis for carver country was, i believe, a federal expert flown in from Virginia. Personally I think the more important information might have been lost with the google server purge not on the hard drive itself. - I think investigators can definitely make mistakes and might have here.but my question would be, do those possible mistakes mean they missed, say, a first defeee murder plot? I think it’s doubtful. - I think if people reject the investigators findings and feel they can’t get closure until something more/different gets revealed they may be waiting for a very long time. They’ll probably need to find a way to closure on their own, even if some things about his death, like his life, remain a mystery to fans like us. leec1 said:

[Edited 5/20/18 11:08am]

I should clarify what I am stating about Prince as well as the Caylee Anthony case.

In the Caylee Anthony case, I think they lost the important evidence that may have lead them to be able to pinpoint who is responsible for the child's death because it seems it would be one or perhaps all the members of their household: Casey Anthony, her mother, her father.

In Prince's case, perhaps the evidence that was mishandled, may have lead to determining the source of the drugs. I know there is no guarantee of this and this is supposition on my part.

I don't reject the investigation findings that this is an accidental death. I agree that this was an accidental death.