ya, that was really heartbreaking to read.

MMJas said:

peggyon said:

It is my understanding an HIV/Aids + person can have safe sex if they use a condom and are taking anti-retrovirals which render their viral load low.

I am not certain the lab results were given to us in a truthful manner. It would be interesting to acutually see the lab paperwork.

There has been a fair amount of secrecy within the family and it is possible they had a discussion with the police and the release of the "labs" may be a way to quell "the masses" and protect the legacy.

Personally, I feel he had untreated AIDS. He may have had treatment in the past though.

Any other condition/disease does not have that stigma and would have been shared long ago IMHO

If he did have AIDS, he likely experienced shame, especially within his JW belief-structure. He was not likely an IV drug user and it is much more difficult to be infected by women, so....This is where I feel the family is struggling with management of the legacy. They may feel this will "turn-off' segment of his fan base.

TC states it is not HIV/AIDS but is not coming up with an alternative that would explain so much secrecy.

In the Police records, it shows that Prince had accessed the Org and that trashy site (can't recall the name) where they published that story about him having AIDS the week prior to his death, I believe.

TrcikyChristopher said:

peggyon said:

One thing I forgot to say. I was entralled by Prince and his transcendent brilliance. I still am. It has been a rocky course at times, though, to wade through some of his behaviors/secrecy.

I do not like hypocrisy or "spinning" the truth and want to reassure the family if they are reading this thread, that the truth will eventually come out and the majority of us will still love him and his music.

Something Pete mentioned yesterday caught my eye. Pete said he heard that Prince had AIDS which then devolved into leukemia. This makes sense to me.

uhh, i was quoting what mulefunk had said, i didn't "say" that and i'm still open to all other options including the "official" finding. Mule was supposedly writing a book but homeboy made himself scarce since the official report came out, he was pushing the murder theory too I believe, (unless i'm getting org names mixed up, forgive me if i am.).

TrcikyChristopher said:

MMJas said:

Listen. Tricky? Come on. First you said you did not know what it was. Now you are saying you do. So just spit it out. No need for names. No need to blow the lid on anyone. Just say what the ilness was. You yourself said it would not affect his reputation or estate. Just say it.

You said a physical ilness. You said we were close with our assumptions. And you said it was not Aids/HIV. So that leaves:

- organ canc

- artritis

There were no other ilnesses proposed, i don't think? Which one was it?

And what do you mean about asociates alluding to certain things? Like what?

I want to apologize first to anyone who thinks I'm being manipulative or going through a song and dance about something that is serious. It's not my intention to seem obtuse.

.

I'm going to answer a few things under the confines of what I've been allowed to discuss. Please bear in mind the following: while I don't know myself what happened because I wasn't there, I've been given info that was specific enough for me to believe them. After this, I'm not bringing it up again because it's become more trouble than it's worth to "say things without saying them".

To clarify: according to what I was told, these are the alleged health problems I can talk about. I'm saying "alleged" profusely from now on (sorry), not because I don't necessarily believe it or because it's false, but to cover my own ass and the people who told me the info 2 years ago and told me what I could and could not divulge. My sources are still around. My reluctance to publicly relay specifics is out of loyalty to them - not the estate, not the fans, not even Prince himself because his intense need for privacy at all costs led to this confusion to begin with. I will love Prince and his music forever, but these past 2 years of "I know but won't tell" is draining.

Anything that I don't divulge is for my sources to divulge in their own time and on their own terms.

1) I was told that there were allegedly significant health issues (re-occurring) that were unrelated to his pain med use and that he was actively fighting them. My sources had no knowledge of any pain med abuse. Regarding his actual pain med abuse, the alleged OD in 2010/2011 where he almost died was completely unrelated to his other alleged health issues. Those came later.

2) I was told that it was NOT HIV/AIDS but allegedly mimicked some of the symptoms and may have explained other alleged symptoms or diagnoses, including symptoms most recently revealed. My sources only referred to one alleged diagnosis. The blind item that went out 3 days before he passed (as "close, but no cigar" as it was) cannot be challenged nor can tabloids be held accountable because once he DID pass, under the law, the deceased cannot be defamed. That is the reason for the lack of libel lawsuits. In my case, I choose not to say more because my sources are still lurking about.

3) Given the release of information since April of 2016, especially the most recent, any officially released info or documentation does not necessarily discount what I was told.

4) Associates (and I use the word broadly) saying things like "I knew 2 years before he died" or things of that nature fall in line with everything I was told in 2016. Sidenote - in certain cases, that does not necessarily mean that they were as "associated" to Prince at the time as they currently make it out to be.

Again, the reason why I'm not saying much more than that is out of respect for the people who provided said info to me. I really hope people understand that I'm not trying to mindfuck anyone. I'm just trying to let people know that yes, according to my sources, allegedly, there were other issues. Serious issues that under other circumstances could have and should have been prevented. In the end, though, Prince's personal decisions outside of (and in tandem with) those alleged issues is why he's not here today. Don't shoot the messenger. It's the people within his circle that DO know that can easily confirm or deny things that keep this guessing going. As for me, I'm done.

Honestly.

I read your post twice.

And I still have no clue of what it adds to what we already now.

(There's a lot of 'i' and 'me' and self protection, but obviously I do understand that.)

No offence.

for me, in a strange way MJ's death prepped me for Prince, by the time april 21st came I had at least been through profound mourning before and kinda knew what to expect. I also lost my boxing hero Hector Camacho and it just didn't seem real, for months I was in that state. So, although, my grief for Prince is possibly greater, it's from the vantage point of experience and knowing what to expect.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

There's a difference. Prince didn't take drugs. Never was there a problem with Prince and drugs.

That's what we were spoonfed. Prince hated drugs, didn't like his band members taking them, was clean living, cared about his body and his image. Never any lawsuits that involved women, never in any kind of trouble except a few speeding tickets. Never smoked, drank on occasion.

With Bowie and the Stones, Amy, Curt. It didn't come as a surprise to us because we all knew they were on drugs, they didn't hide it. We weren't surprised.

With Prince we were and still are SHOCKED. He sure had us fooled. Does it change his legacy where I'm concerned. NO. It probably doesn't change his legacy with anybody in our age group. What my young nephews tell me is the only thing they know of him, is that he died because he was on drugs. And the facts as we know them, is he died because he was on drugs. Evidently his family is fine with that. If he had anything wrong with them, they really should come out and just say it.

We want his music to live forever to be passed down, and I'm doing my part to keep that going. But the kids my nephews age whose parents or grandparents that aren't into Prince only see drugs.

When MJ died and it was all over the news for days, of course I was upset. I told my kids then, If you think it's bad now, just wait, if anything ever happens to Prince you might as well put me in a home. All 3 of my kiddos called me the day we lost Prince. Worried about their Momma. Heck for any special occasions I get gifts of all things Prince.

So with us, his legacy is in tact, but I'm worried about the younger generations.

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The day Prince died, I immediately called my husband and I was shaking and crying and he knew it was something really, really bad -- like a death in the family -- THAT serious!!

Vannormal said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

I want to apologize first to anyone who thinks I'm being manipulative or going through a song and dance about something that is serious. It's not my intention to seem obtuse.

.

I'm going to answer a few things under the confines of what I've been allowed to discuss. Please bear in mind the following: while I don't know myself what happened because I wasn't there, I've been given info that was specific enough for me to believe them. After this, I'm not bringing it up again because it's become more trouble than it's worth to "say things without saying them".

To clarify: according to what I was told, these are the alleged health problems I can talk about. I'm saying "alleged" profusely from now on (sorry), not because I don't necessarily believe it or because it's false, but to cover my own ass and the people who told me the info 2 years ago and told me what I could and could not divulge. My sources are still around. My reluctance to publicly relay specifics is out of loyalty to them - not the estate, not the fans, not even Prince himself because his intense need for privacy at all costs led to this confusion to begin with. I will love Prince and his music forever, but these past 2 years of "I know but won't tell" is draining.

Anything that I don't divulge is for my sources to divulge in their own time and on their own terms.

1) I was told that there were allegedly significant health issues (re-occurring) that were unrelated to his pain med use and that he was actively fighting them. My sources had no knowledge of any pain med abuse. Regarding his actual pain med abuse, the alleged OD in 2010/2011 where he almost died was completely unrelated to his other alleged health issues. Those came later.

2) I was told that it was NOT HIV/AIDS but allegedly mimicked some of the symptoms and may have explained other alleged symptoms or diagnoses, including symptoms most recently revealed. My sources only referred to one alleged diagnosis. The blind item that went out 3 days before he passed (as "close, but no cigar" as it was) cannot be challenged nor can tabloids be held accountable because once he DID pass, under the law, the deceased cannot be defamed. That is the reason for the lack of libel lawsuits. In my case, I choose not to say more because my sources are still lurking about.

3) Given the release of information since April of 2016, especially the most recent, any officially released info or documentation does not necessarily discount what I was told.

4) Associates (and I use the word broadly) saying things like "I knew 2 years before he died" or things of that nature fall in line with everything I was told in 2016. Sidenote - in certain cases, that does not necessarily mean that they were as "associated" to Prince at the time as they currently make it out to be.

Again, the reason why I'm not saying much more than that is out of respect for the people who provided said info to me. I really hope people understand that I'm not trying to mindfuck anyone. I'm just trying to let people know that yes, according to my sources, allegedly, there were other issues. Serious issues that under other circumstances could have and should have been prevented. In the end, though, Prince's personal decisions outside of (and in tandem with) those alleged issues is why he's not here today. Don't shoot the messenger. It's the people within his circle that DO know that can easily confirm or deny things that keep this guessing going. As for me, I'm done.

Honestly.

I read your post twice.

And I still have no clue of what it adds to what we already now.

(There's a lot of 'i' and 'me' and self protection, but obviously I do understand that.)

No offence.

It may have not "added to what you already know" but it detailed what I was told and allowed to discuss in one fell swoop for everyone. I actually clarified a few things if you paid attention over the past 2 years. I can't, and won't, discuss anything else publicly.

[Edited 5/18/18 13:48pm]

TrcikyChristopher said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

1Sasha said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No terminal disease........Opioids made him look that way.

Really - you think it was only the opioids? Then why did he seem to be wasting away the last six months or so? He had been using for a while to treat for pain. JMO but I can't see it that simply.

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Yes, that is what I believe. He was barely eating or sleeping, from what was told. If his diet only consisted of 5-Hour Energy drinks and pain pills, it would make sense why he was looking gaunt.

Vannormal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Sure, Prince was stubborn as a Mule!! I have no doubt he used pain killers before 1984, but he took them in low doses; just enough to ease the pain and make him feel good. Drugs are so addictive because they make you feel GOOD. And, who doesn't want to feel good, 24/7, right? I know I do; but that is not reality. Sometimes, life sucks; sometimes life is painful.

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What led to Prince's downfall was being a rock star and having any drug easily available to you, at any given time. Instead of Prince getting proper medical treatment; he went straight for the pills--and the hard stuff; and where do you go from there? You get my point.

I get your point. And I absolutely fully agree.

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The thing is nowadays, people try to protect themselves, their loved ones and their children from basically evertyhing in life, from dissapointments and bad luck, and then call themselves free and happy.

Unfortunately they are deadwrong !

Life comes with it all ! The whole package is super interesting.

Don't be affraid to deal with it. DARE !

Like you say: 'Life sucks" (half of the time), and can be damn painful. And that's how it should be. Deal with it, don't run off in religion or anything else.

THINK, be critical, and LISTEN to the ones you can recognise yourself with. Less opinions too. (what am I doing here? )

Build up a life of all things involved. And that includes death, pain, loss, heartbreak, whatever.

That's what all these artists like Prince write songs about too.

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The internet ins't very helpful either. Every moment of our lives need to be 'great', and if not, clearly all the big highs and the lower lows spread out to un-asked-for opinions, likes and emojis.

After ten years I closed my facebook acount some while ago, and I never felt happier and relieved.

I call friends for dinner, a drink, whatever, but specifically ask them to NOT use their cellphones. No selfies, no recording, no video, just use your plain brains to remember 'it'.

I have lively and very vivid memories of Prince concerts from over the last 30 years. I really do.

I don't need all live shows on DVD or whatever. Music and my imagination is more than fullfiling 2 me.

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But then again i'm a bit of a hypocrit. Nowadays we can enjoy all things purple and funk thanks to the WW(Purple)W. Yeah i'm a 'just another sucker' like all the others purples.

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Very wise words, indeed.

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Life can be cruel; but it is a beautiful life; it is a precious gift to treasure.

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I am very much like you; I consider myself to be old skool, so I guess I have that in common with Prince. I am an old soul. I am not big into technology and I don't care much about social media or feel the need to keep up with celebrities and such -- EXCEPT for Prince, of course!

bondno9 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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She flat-out said she knew for 2-3 years that Prince was dying. Do you not remember that? What she told the investigators is another story.

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I think after the incident in Moline, Tyka spoke to Judith about what happened on that plane, and Tyka used her words and took that as a sign that Prince was dying.

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You can believe whatever you want, but I won't believe anything Tyka says anymore. She has not been truthful to the fans.

Tyka is not trustworthy. She appears to be about the $$$ and status. Her most recent post on IG are photos of a Louis Vuitton handbag that Omarr and his wife gave her for her birthday. Who does that??? It's like she's saying "look at us we in the $$$ now, look what I got."

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I just don't get a good vibe from Tyka, and my gut-instincts are usually right about people.

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I have not seen Tyka's IG in a while. So, she upgraded from the Michael Kors now?

PeteSilas said:

for me, in a strange way MJ's death prepped me for Prince, by the time april 21st came I had at least been through profound mourning before and kinda knew what to expect. I also lost my boxing hero Hector Camacho and it just didn't seem real, for months I was in that state. So, although, my grief for Prince is possibly greater, it's from the vantage point of experience and knowing what to expect.

cloveringold85 said:

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The day Prince died, I immediately called my husband and I was shaking and crying and he knew it was something really, really bad -- like a death in the family -- THAT serious!!

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I knew weird things were going on with MJ, but his sudden death still stunned me.

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With Prince: I never saw it coming. I was in a complete state of shock.

peggyon said:

Though a long-term Prince fan, I new to posting as it can be somewhat intimidating.

I hope I am not the person being referred to as a plant.

I am completly sincere in my thoughts. I am a medical professional (long-term RN) and some of the "facts" of this case do not make sense to me from a medical stand-point. This is the only reason I post.

In my profession as an ICU nurse, I work closely with with Intensivists (ICU MD's) everyday to discuss pathophysiology, symptoms, presentation, etc of the patients we are caring for. The MD's require us to operate at this level as these patients are often unstable and need us to be competent.

After many years of this practice, one starts to see patterns, ie. cardiac patients present differently than cancer patients who also present differently than those with cirrhosis etc. One starts to get a sense, it may seen as an educated instinct. We have to develop this trait as it helps us repsond proactively when symptoms are not yet overt.

I have never said that I am right , though it is a sense I have had consistently. This sense as well as the secrecy and spin- control exhibited by the family guide me to this idea.

In my mind, I have been evaluating different sorts of diseases for their "stigma-quotient". The sorts of diseases that have been promoted, ie., cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. do not generate judgement. Also,

Please look up cachexia. It is the physical state that Prince exhibited to me. To me, he looked like someone with a wasting disease such as cancer or untreated AIDS.

I would like us to talk to each other in a more respectful tone. We are all trying to figure this out or we would not be on this thread nor would there be so many threads dedicated to finding out what happerned.

I wish we could, as a group, become less judgemental about AIDS. There shoul be no stigma. It is a disease, period.

Prince DID NOT have AIDS! I've seen many people suffering from it and I know what it looks like. If U are a "supposed" ICU nurse, U would know ANYONE diagnosed with any disease like AIDS is automatically registered with the Center for Disease Control. The news would have leaked like quick sand if it was Prince.

Prince DID NOT have an undisclosed illness. If so it would have leaked by now and the investigation showed no clues or signs whatsoever of him having ANYTHING but withdrawal symptoms and slight anemia. .

Also Prince looked GREAT going into the doctors office with Kirk the day before. That WAS NOT a man in the last stages of AIDS or any illness.

Prince just took a dose of a unknowingly laced fentanyl opiate. From the same batch of pills he took the week prior before the Moline plane landing .

Vannormal said:

Krystalkisses said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

I want to apologize first to anyone who thinks I'm being manipulative or going through a song and dance about something that is serious. It's not my intention to seem obtuse.

.

I'm going to answer a few things under the confines of what I've been allowed to discuss. Please bear in mind the following: while I don't know myself what happened because I wasn't there, I've been given info that was specific enough for me to believe them. After this, I'm not bringing it up again because it's become more trouble than it's worth to "say things without saying them".

To clarify: according to what I was told, these are the alleged health problems I can talk about. I'm saying "alleged" profusely from now on (sorry), not because I don't necessarily believe it or because it's false, but to cover my own ass and the people who told me the info 2 years ago and told me what I could and could not divulge. My sources are still around. My reluctance to publicly relay specifics is out of loyalty to them - not the estate, not the fans, not even Prince himself because his intense need for privacy at all costs led to this confusion to begin with. I will love Prince and his music forever, but these past 2 years of "I know but won't tell" is draining.

Anything that I don't divulge is for my sources to divulge in their own time and on their own terms.

1) I was told that there were allegedly significant health issues (re-occurring) that were unrelated to his pain med use and that he was actively fighting them. My sources had no knowledge of any pain med abuse. Regarding his actual pain med abuse, the alleged OD in 2010/2011 where he almost died was completely unrelated to his other alleged health issues. Those came later.

2) I was told that it was NOT HIV/AIDS but allegedly mimicked some of the symptoms and may have explained other alleged symptoms or diagnoses, including symptoms most recently revealed. My sources only referred to one alleged diagnosis. The blind item that went out 3 days before he passed (as "close, but no cigar" as it was) cannot be challenged nor can tabloids be held accountable because once he DID pass, under the law, the deceased cannot be defamed. That is the reason for the lack of libel lawsuits. In my case, I choose not to say more because my sources are still lurking about.

3) Given the release of information since April of 2016, especially the most recent, any officially released info or documentation does not necessarily discount what I was told.

4) Associates (and I use the word broadly) saying things like "I knew 2 years before he died" or things of that nature fall in line with everything I was told in 2016. Sidenote - in certain cases, that does not necessarily mean that they were as "associated" to Prince at the time as they currently make it out to be.

Again, the reason why I'm not saying much more than that is out of respect for the people who provided said info to me. I really hope people understand that I'm not trying to mindfuck anyone. I'm just trying to let people know that yes, according to my sources, allegedly, there were other issues. Serious issues that under other circumstances could have and should have been prevented. In the end, though, Prince's personal decisions outside of (and in tandem with) those alleged issues is why he's not here today. Don't shoot the messenger. It's the people within his circle that DO know that can easily confirm or deny things that keep this guessing going. As for me, I'm done.

Thank you TC. Now please lets stop hounding this man for any more info.

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I do not believe that Prince was battling any kind of life-threatening disease.

.

His cause of death was Fentanyl overdose, and nothing else.

.

Some believe that it was suicide, and Prince wanted to make it look like an accident -- OR, someone else wanted to make it look like an accident.

.

What I find very strange is that the day Prince was found deceased inside his elevator was the day Dr. Schulenberg was bringing Prince's blood test results. So, if Prince had decided to end his life due to pain/addiction/possible life-threatening disease, he did so without getting his test results??

.

.

Furthermore, according to the investigation, Andrew Kornfeld said he was not aware that Dr. Schulenberg was coming over on the 21st of April. Why is that? Dr. Schulenberg was in contact with Howard Kornfeld, so why wouldn't Andrew have this information?

.

It's just beyond crazy!

ChocolateBox3121 said:

peggyon said:

Though a long-term Prince fan, I new to posting as it can be somewhat intimidating.

I hope I am not the person being referred to as a plant.

I am completly sincere in my thoughts. I am a medical professional (long-term RN) and some of the "facts" of this case do not make sense to me from a medical stand-point. This is the only reason I post.

In my profession as an ICU nurse, I work closely with with Intensivists (ICU MD's) everyday to discuss pathophysiology, symptoms, presentation, etc of the patients we are caring for. The MD's require us to operate at this level as these patients are often unstable and need us to be competent.

After many years of this practice, one starts to see patterns, ie. cardiac patients present differently than cancer patients who also present differently than those with cirrhosis etc. One starts to get a sense, it may seen as an educated instinct. We have to develop this trait as it helps us repsond proactively when symptoms are not yet overt.

I have never said that I am right , though it is a sense I have had consistently. This sense as well as the secrecy and spin- control exhibited by the family guide me to this idea.

In my mind, I have been evaluating different sorts of diseases for their "stigma-quotient". The sorts of diseases that have been promoted, ie., cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. do not generate judgement. Also,

Please look up cachexia. It is the physical state that Prince exhibited to me. To me, he looked like someone with a wasting disease such as cancer or untreated AIDS.

I would like us to talk to each other in a more respectful tone. We are all trying to figure this out or we would not be on this thread nor would there be so many threads dedicated to finding out what happerned.

I wish we could, as a group, become less judgemental about AIDS. There shoul be no stigma. It is a disease, period.

Prince DID NOT have AIDS! I've seen many people suffering from it and I know what it looks like. If U are a "supposed" ICU nurse, U would know ANYONE diagnosed with any disease like AIDS is automatically registered with the Center for Disease Control. The news would have leaked like quick sand if it was Prince.

Prince DID NOT have an undisclosed illness. If so it would have leaked by now and the investigation showed no clues or signs whatsoever of him having ANYTHING but withdrawal symptoms and slight anemia. .

Also Prince looked GREAT going into the doctors office with Kirk the day before. That WAS NOT a man in the last stages of AIDS or any illness.

Prince just took a dose of a unknowingly laced fentanyl opiate. From the same batch of pills he took the week prior before the Moline plane landing .

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TrcikyChristopher said:

Thank you TC.

^^^^^^^^

So Prince, who fought for his first record deal & got it, who fought for a movie deal when he was completely out of his element and got it, who fought for freedom from his WB contract and got it, who fought for his masters and got them...gets a curable illness and says to himself ok, I'm done ...

^^^^^

RJP1205: Those were some of the most beautiful words I've read here in a long time! Thanks for keeping it real!!

cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Krystalkisses said:

TrcikyChristopher said: Thank you TC. Now please lets stop hounding this man for any more info.

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I do not believe that Prince was battling any kind of life-threatening disease.

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His cause of death was Fentanyl overdose, and nothing else.

.

Some believe that it was suicide, and Prince wanted to make it look like an accident -- OR, someone else wanted to make it look like an accident.

.

What I find very strange is that the day Prince was found deceased inside his elevator was the day Dr. Schulenberg was bringing Prince's blood test results. So, if Prince had decided to end his life due to pain/addiction/possible life-threatening disease, he did so without getting his test results??

.

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Furthermore, according to the investigation, Andrew Kornfeld said he was not aware that Dr. Schulenberg was coming over on the 21st of April. Why is that? Dr. Schulenberg was in contact with Howard Kornfeld, so why wouldn't Andrew have this information?

.

It's just beyond crazy!

Actually Dr. S wasn't supposed to be there to deliver the results, when he spoke with KJ, he was going to fax them over, but KJ said that they didn't have a fax, just to drop them by. When KJ spoke with Dr. S, they didn't know that Prince was already gone.

TC, you said before that if all the fans knew the details of this mystery condition, all their questions about Prince's death would be immeditely answered and they would get "closure."

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In your latest post, however, you say this mystery condition was unrelated to his opioid use. But it was the opioids that killed him. So... huh?

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Anyway, you claim to be tremendously disturbed by "2 years of confusion." But the REASON that there is "confusion" on sites like this one is precidely because of posts like yours, from people who claim "insider access" and proceed to volunteer vague, confusing info, then refuse to answer questions out of "respect" for "sources." And guess what: If you in fact do have relevant non-public info that you feel should be widely known, and you choose not to share, then you ARE one of those "insiders" who annoy you so much.

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Perhaps someday you'll be less fearful of your alleged "sources" (people who apparently disgust you with their publc silence yet you still feel beholden to obey, because... why again? Whatever, doesn't matter). Until then, bye and take care.

kmama07 said:

Vannormal said:

Honestly.

I read your post twice.

And I still have no clue of what it adds to what we already now.

(There's a lot of 'i' and 'me' and self protection, but obviously I do understand that.)

No offence.

Agreed. That post says absolutely nothing.

[Edited 5/18/18 15:55pm]

RJP1205 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

It may have not "added to what you already know" but it detailed what I was told and allowed to discuss in one fell swoop for everyone. I actually clarified a few things if you paid attention over the past 2 years. I can't, and won't, discuss anything else publicly.

[Edited 5/18/18 13:48pm]

So Prince, who fought for his first record deal & got it, who fought for a movie deal when he was completely out of his element and got it, who fought for freedom from his WB contract and got it, who fought for his masters and got them...gets a curable illness and says to himself ok, I'm done ...

That is not what I said. At all. What I said is that he did die of an overdose.

That does NOT negate anything else.

I did not say that he said to himself "I'm done". Far from it.

As I stated years ago, he was allegedly prohibited due to his allegedly wavering beliefs from specific ways to help himself. Those beliefs also allegedly prohibited him from getting a full hip replacement years earlier. Compound that with supposed "faith healing", and there's a perfect storm of trouble.
As such, he allegedly used what seemed to be his usual methods of pain regulation which ended up killing him.

The 2 alleged issues were not necessarily correlated.

PennyPurple said:

Thank you TC.

You're welcome. I tried.

disch said:

TC, you said before that if all the fans knew the details of this mystery condition, all their questions about Prince's death would be immeditely answered and they would get "closure."

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In your latest post, however, you say this mystery condition was unrelated to his opioid use. But it was the opioids that killed him. So... huh?

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Anyway, you claim to be tremendously disturbed by "2 years of confusion." But the REASON that there is "confusion" on sites like this one is precidely because of posts like yours, from people who claim "insider access" and proceed to volunteer vague, confusing info, then refuse to answer questions out of "respect" for "sources." And guess what: If you in fact do have relevant non-public info that you feel should be widely known, and you choose not to share, then you ARE one of those "insiders" who annoy you so much.

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Perhaps someday you'll be less fearful of your alleged "sources" (people who apparently disgust you with their publc silence yet you still feel beholden to obey, because... why again? Whatever, doesn't matter). Until then, bye and take care.

kmama07 said:

Vannormal said: Agreed. That post says absolutely nothing.

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co-sign...what are they gonna do to TC, break kneecaps?, not give them any more juicy inside info to tease and bother people on the org.?I think if he/she burns his 'sources' he's going to have to find another way to get his/her jollies. Tricky my ass...how about jusr annoying...and immature.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

for me, in a strange way MJ's death prepped me for Prince, by the time april 21st came I had at least been through profound mourning before and kinda knew what to expect. I also lost my boxing hero Hector Camacho and it just didn't seem real, for months I was in that state. So, although, my grief for Prince is possibly greater, it's from the vantage point of experience and knowing what to expect.

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I knew weird things were going on with MJ, but his sudden death still stunned me.

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With Prince: I never saw it coming. I was in a complete state of shock.

ya, mj for me, was the first of my childhood heroes, from my own era (ie, not elvis, jimi) to go and it made me feel old and very sad of course. however, i worried about MJ for years, i thought he really was a broken man after the trials/molestation stuff and I really didn't think the rest of his life would go smoothly. Prince? really just blindsided me, as i said, the only positive was that I'd had experience with losing heroes before. As a musician, these guys mean a little different a thing than they do to the rest of you, not to say i'm better or anything like that, it's when one of your key influences go, it really does feel a bit like a parent dying.

disch said:

TC, you said before that if all the fans knew the details of this mystery condition, all their questions about Prince's death would be immeditely answered and they would get "closure."

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In your latest post, however, you say this mystery condition was unrelated to his opioid use. But it was the opioids that killed him. So... huh?

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Anyway, you claim to be tremendously disturbed by "2 years of confusion." But the REASON that there is "confusion" on sites like this one is precidely because of posts like yours, from people who claim "insider access" and proceed to volunteer vague, confusing info, then refuse to answer questions out of "respect" for "sources." And guess what: If you in fact do have relevant non-public info that you feel should be widely known, and you choose not to share, then you ARE one of those "insiders" who annoy you so much.

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Perhaps someday you'll be less fearful of your alleged "sources" (people who apparently disgust you with their publc silence yet you still feel beholden to obey, because... why again? Whatever, doesn't matter). Until then, bye and take care.

kmama07 said:

Vannormal said: Agreed. That post says absolutely nothing.

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His alleged illness compounded an already existing issue with pain meds.

I've explained why I'm not elaborating multiple times.

cloveringold85 said:

1Sasha said:

Really - you think it was only the opioids? Then why did he seem to be wasting away the last six months or so? He had been using for a while to treat for pain. JMO but I can't see it that simply.

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Yes, that is what I believe. He was barely eating or sleeping, from what was told. If his diet only consisted of 5-Hour Energy drinks and pain pills, it would make sense why he was looking gaunt.

was he really looking that skinny? to me, the stated 112 pounds wasn't far off from what he always weighed, that's only a few pounds however, autopsy results have been known to be way off. to me it's his eyes that don't look right, prince was always clear eyed and he just didn't look right, his makeup didn't look right either but he always was small, some have said things like you could see his backbones through his clothes but compared to how whitney houston looked at the mj thing, he looked ok.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I do not believe that Prince was battling any kind of life-threatening disease.

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His cause of death was Fentanyl overdose, and nothing else.

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Some believe that it was suicide, and Prince wanted to make it look like an accident -- OR, someone else wanted to make it look like an accident.

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What I find very strange is that the day Prince was found deceased inside his elevator was the day Dr. Schulenberg was bringing Prince's blood test results. So, if Prince had decided to end his life due to pain/addiction/possible life-threatening disease, he did so without getting his test results??

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Furthermore, according to the investigation, Andrew Kornfeld said he was not aware that Dr. Schulenberg was coming over on the 21st of April. Why is that? Dr. Schulenberg was in contact with Howard Kornfeld, so why wouldn't Andrew have this information?

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It's just beyond crazy!

Actually Dr. S wasn't supposed to be there to deliver the results, when he spoke with KJ, he was going to fax them over, but KJ said that they didn't have a fax, just to drop them by. When KJ spoke with Dr. S, they didn't know that Prince was already gone.

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Thanks for refreshing my memory!

TrcikyChristopher said:

RJP1205 said:

TrcikyChristopher said: So Prince, who fought for his first record deal & got it, who fought for a movie deal when he was completely out of his element and got it, who fought for freedom from his WB contract and got it, who fought for his masters and got them...gets a curable illness and says to himself ok, I'm done ...

That is not what I said. At all. What I said is that he did die of an overdose.

That does NOT negate anything else.

I did not say that he said to himself "I'm done". Far from it.

As I stated years ago, he was allegedly prohibited due to his allegedly wavering beliefs from specific ways to help himself. Those beliefs also allegedly prohibited him from getting a full hip replacement years earlier. Compound that with supposed "faith healing", and there's a perfect storm of trouble.
As such, he allegedly used what seemed to be his usual methods of pain regulation which ended up killing him.

The 2 alleged issues were not necessarily correlated.

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TC: There is a technical glitch with these posts; sometimes when someone replies to another person, it does not quote properly.

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It was RJP1205 that made the comment about "I'm done".