PennyPurple said:

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

Sometimes I think that people are planted here on the forum, to throw us off track. But the facts in the zip files speak volumes.

Stop reading my thoughts Penny!!!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MMJas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

I have been alerted to the fact that this thread has gotten way off track and very derailed.

It would be appreciated if you folks would just stick to the 'investigation' rather going off in left field.

Thanks.


Do not derail the thread, stick to the topic. TROLLING will be dealt with harshly.

Be civil. All rules apply.

Thanks.

Carver County Sheriff's Office link: https://www.co.carver.mn....estigation

WARNING: Do NOT post the death picture of Prince (blurred or not), show respect. Those that do will be dealt with harshly.

Press Conference video:
http://video.startribune....480279253/

Those are just the people who want this thread locked for some reason.

We are sticking to the death investigation. Everything we talk about on this thread is related to the death of Prince.

funksterr said:

We've been talking about this ish, mostly on code of course, for decades. Pills and old FUNNY MOODS. He tried to get better, but on his own terms, and tragedy struck. My theory is that he just wanted to Dance, play music, sex, romance and try his best to NEVER GET BORED. That and maybe he was just being a bratty man-child, playing a dangerous game for attention and at some point he was in too deep, surrounded by people who didn't know how to reach him and fate took it's course. He had pain issues but I don't think they were debilitating to the point of the addiction. I just think the pills were a way of fast-tracking his day and at some point he was in over his head. I think he asked for help, in his own prideful way, but he needed a professional. MJ at least had the dentist to gas him up. Prince tried to finesse his addiction with amatuers. Just like the records! 5-0 said it was an accident though, so... there ya go, there ya go!

Y'all want the family to speak, and the protoges, but shti... he was closer to the fans, than any of them. Everytime they speak they get MOLLY-WHOPPED, by some nugget of truth Prince spread to us, but never shared with them. That's how that worked. We often times knew how he was doing more than they did. A lot of them got/get their info off the Org. A lot of them put stuff on the Org. Dude was hip to it and part of what I think attracted him here so much, was to see what the HELL they was up to behind his back. That was part of my thing for him. He'd point: Hulk SMASH! Me: Aww sh!!!

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To the bolded: I was thinking the exact same thing while having my cup of morning coffee. Maybe Prince wasn't in as much pain as we think; maybe he just enjoyed the feeling the opioids gave him, and he got hooked? It happens.

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The way he was walking into Dr. Schulenberg's office on April 20th, did not look like a 57 year-old Man with hip problems or a man who was in any pain; he didn't even have his cane with him, and he was walking fine, from what I could tell.

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I think Prince was a strong-willed man who was not going to let any physical ailments or pain get in his way. I will always remember his words: "Cry for love, not for pain." In his mind, he was probably like: "Fuck you, pain -- you're not gonna bring me down." He probably took a little pill here and a little pill there, to take the edge off (as Kirk described), so there ya go!!

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For Prince, it was the music -- always the music. He died doing what meant the most to him; his music was his babies--love for music; music for love! Always&4Ever.

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Vannormal said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Everyone has their own take on Prince's demise. Yes, he was a man of small stature, and that is why I don't believe he was a long-term user of opioids, because it would have done organ damage a long time ago, and he would have not been able to keep going for as long as he did, imo.

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We all know Prince was a strong-minded person and taking any type of medication was probably very hard for him to do. He knew he was in trouble and thought he could handle it on his own. He had enablers around him, who ultimately contributed to his early demise. People would not say NO to him, because they wanted the $$$$. Now, Prince is gone and everyone's trying to hide the truth. Their choice.

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In my opinion, Prince's death was an accident, because he died of illegal Fentanyl toxicity. He had plenty of other Rx's in his home that he could have overdosed on, and didn't need to buy illegal street drugs.

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He would not want to die in an elevator either.

Prince started using painkillers before 1984.

Imagine that.

After a while, no ordinary painkiller will help. Especially when you won't stop jumping off a stack of speakers for instance. So you build up, slowly the intensification of the use of painkillers.

If you don't do anything about the cause, the basic problem, you end up where he was.

I do believe that the strong-minded Prince sas able to cope with opioids longer than we might think.

Ask any medical authority around you. They'll tell you what's possible and what not.

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No it wasn't hard for him to take any type of medication. He started very very early, and was a master in being Prince, meaning, he was somehow relentless and straigtforward, din't want to look back. Avoided all confrontations of the emotional and social sorts. Didn't listen to anyone, not even to his own body. Thought he was as strong as his ambitions, kept everyone away from him, didn't trust no one, never seeked for emotional help or therapy, was stuborn to the bone, and prefered to suffer, in secret.

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Imagine. I wish I was around late 1987, like a fly on the wall, when he spoosedly took that famous XTC or something like that right before he planned the release of The Black Album. On a control freak like Prince, what would influence would a simple drug lke this have? Of course a very very bad trip ! Because if you want to trip good you need to be relaxed, at ease, and relatively well-balanced to be able to enjoy it.

Painkillers on the contrary are a help at first, then after a while, they make you numb, and later on more numb.

Still Prince seemed very clear, basically always when he was in public. Make up helped big time of course.

But we heard from the people around him in the last year, that they thought he was skinn(y)(ier), pale(r), and didn't have much of an appetite. The documents found on his desk to have that much needed information in seeking help in a private clinic to become clean were there, but it was all to late for that matter.

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Sure, Prince was stubborn as a Mule!! I have no doubt he used pain killers before 1984, but he took them in low doses; just enough to ease the pain and make him feel good. Drugs are so addictive because they make you feel GOOD. And, who doesn't want to feel good, 24/7, right? I know I do; but that is not reality. Sometimes, life sucks; sometimes life is painful.

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What led to Prince's downfall was being a rock star and having any drug easily available to you, at any given time. Instead of Prince getting proper medical treatment; he went straight for the pills--and the hard stuff; and where do you go from there? You get my point.

Though a long-term Prince fan, I new to posting as it can be somewhat intimidating.

I hope I am not the person being referred to as a plant.

I am completly sincere in my thoughts. I am a medical professional (long-term RN) and some of the "facts" of this case do not make sense to me from a medical stand-point. This is the only reason I post.

In my profession as an ICU nurse, I work closely with with Intensivists (ICU MD's) everyday to discuss pathophysiology, symptoms, presentation, etc of the patients we are caring for. The MD's require us to operate at this level as these patients are often unstable and need us to be competent.

After many years of this practice, one starts to see patterns, ie. cardiac patients present differently than cancer patients who also present differently than those with cirrhosis etc. One starts to get a sense, it may seen as an educated instinct. We have to develop this trait as it helps us repsond proactively when symptoms are not yet overt.

I have never said that I am right , though it is a sense I have had consistently. This sense as well as the secrecy and spin- control exhibited by the family guide me to this idea.

In my mind, I have been evaluating different sorts of diseases for their "stigma-quotient". The sorts of diseases that have been promoted, ie., cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. do not generate judgement. Also,

Please look up cachexia. It is the physical state that Prince exhibited to me. To me, he looked like someone with a wasting disease such as cancer or untreated AIDS.

I would like us to talk to each other in a more respectful tone. We are all trying to figure this out or we would not be on this thread nor would there be so many threads dedicated to finding out what happerned.

I wish we could, as a group, become less judgemental about AIDS. There shoul be no stigma. It is a disease, period.

PennyPurple said:

The thing about these drugs is anyone who has to take them for long term, will be addicted and it doesn't matter why they take them. We can blame big Pharma for lying to us, lying to the Drs, and for paying off the Drs who prescribed them. Highly addictive and then when tolerence builds up, they need higher doses. Then with all these people addicted to them, suddenly the Drs. quit prescribing them, which leads to the black market.

disch said:

I agree -- I think it's good that there's much sympathy for people who use opioids (even black market) to try to relieve physical pain. I wish that sympathy could extend to people who use opioids to try to relieve emotional pain, as well. So many people in the U.S. are struggling this way -- childhood abuse survivors, war veterans, people with undiagnosed clinic depression or anxiety, etc. -- and I think that's really connected to the opioid crisis.

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It's been said that virtually everyone who develops an addiction has some underlying issue -- physical pain or emotional pain. Pretty much no one who develops an addiction to drugs or alchohol reaches that point simply because they're having so much fun.

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I have to say, the world has become so fucking depressing! You turn on the TV and what do you get? You get DRUG commercials being shoved in your face -- a drug for this and drug for that and Ads that say "can prevent early death", etc. I'm so sick of it, really!! Now, they are even doing it for pets -- advertising drugs for pets......Ask your doctor, ask your Vet!! Get on drugs, come on, were waiting!!

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This is the world we live in now; we have a drug for anything that ails you!!

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And, for every pill you put into your body; it's doing something to you; changing the chemisty.

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I know some drugs are very necessary, so don't get me wrong -- I just don't like the fear mongering bullshit that these drug companies are pushing!!

PennyPurple said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

brilliant point, add Bowie to the list who went through masses of drug abuse - coked to hell during the Thin White Duke phase & white soul boy eras - his legacy is also firmy in tact. Same with the Roling Stones.

There's a difference. Prince didn't take drugs. Never was there a problem with Prince and drugs.

That's what we were spoonfed. Prince hated drugs, didn't like his band members taking them, was clean living, cared about his body and his image. Never any lawsuits that involved women, never in any kind of trouble except a few speeding tickets. Never smoked, drank on occasion.

With Bowie and the Stones, Amy, Curt. It didn't come as a surprise to us because we all knew they were on drugs, they didn't hide it. We weren't surprised.

With Prince we were and still are SHOCKED. He sure had us fooled. Does it change his legacy where I'm concerned. NO. It probably doesn't change his legacy with anybody in our age group. What my young nephews tell me is the only thing they know of him, is that he died because he was on drugs. And the facts as we know them, is he died because he was on drugs. Evidently his family is fine with that. If he had anything wrong with them, they really should come out and just say it.

We want his music to live forever to be passed down, and I'm doing my part to keep that going. But the kids my nephews age whose parents or grandparents that aren't into Prince only see drugs.

When MJ died and it was all over the news for days, of course I was upset. I told my kids then, If you think it's bad now, just wait, if anything ever happens to Prince you might as well put me in a home. All 3 of my kiddos called me the day we lost Prince. Worried about their Momma. Heck for any special occasions I get gifts of all things Prince.

So with us, his legacy is in tact, but I'm worried about the younger generations.

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The day Prince died, I immediately called my husband and I was shaking and crying and he knew it was something really, really bad -- like a death in the family -- THAT serious!!

OH NO, Peggy. Not you.

peggyon said:

Though a long-term Prince fan, I new to posting as it can be somewhat intimidating.

I hope I am not the person being referred to as a plant.

I am completly sincere in my thoughts. I am a medical professional (long-term RN) and some of the "facts" of this case do not make sense to me from a medical stand-point. This is the only reason I post.

In my profession as an ICU nurse, I work closely with with Intensivists (ICU MD's) everyday to discuss pathophysiology, symptoms, presentation, etc of the patients we are caring for. The MD's require us to operate at this level as these patients are often unstable and need us to be competent.

After many years of this practice, one starts to see patterns, ie. cardiac patients present differently than cancer patients who also present differently than those with cirrhosis etc. One starts to get a sense, it may seen as an educated instinct. We have to develop this trait as it helps us repsond proactively when symptoms are not yet overt.

I have never said that I am right , though it is a sense I have had consistently. This sense as well as the secrecy and spin- control exhibited by the family guide me to this idea.

In my mind, I have been evaluating different sorts of diseases for their "stigma-quotient". The sorts of diseases that have been promoted, ie., cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. do not generate judgement. Also,

Please look up cachexia. It is the physical state that Prince exhibited to me. To me, he looked like someone with a wasting disease such as cancer or untreated AIDS.

I would like us to talk to each other in a more respectful tone. We are all trying to figure this out or we would not be on this thread nor would there be so many threads dedicated to finding out what happerned.

I wish we could, as a group, become less judgemental about AIDS. There shoul be no stigma. It is a disease, period.

PennyPurple said:

Sometimes I think that people are planted here on the forum, to throw us off track. But the facts in the zip files speak volumes.

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Yes! We need to stay focused.

peggyon said:

Though a long-term Prince fan, I new to posting as it can be somewhat intimidating.

I hope I am not the person being referred to as a plant.

I am completly sincere in my thoughts. I am a medical professional (long-term RN) and some of the "facts" of this case do not make sense to me from a medical stand-point. This is the only reason I post.

In my profession as an ICU nurse, I work closely with with Intensivists (ICU MD's) everyday to discuss pathophysiology, symptoms, presentation, etc of the patients we are caring for. The MD's require us to operate at this level as these patients are often unstable and need us to be competent.

After many years of this practice, one starts to see patterns, ie. cardiac patients present differently than cancer patients who also present differently than those with cirrhosis etc. One starts to get a sense, it may seen as an educated instinct. We have to develop this trait as it helps us repsond proactively when symptoms are not yet overt.

I have never said that I am right , though it is a sense I have had consistently. This sense as well as the secrecy and spin- control exhibited by the family guide me to this idea.

In my mind, I have been evaluating different sorts of diseases for their "stigma-quotient". The sorts of diseases that have been promoted, ie., cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. do not generate judgement. Also,

Please look up cachexia. It is the physical state that Prince exhibited to me. To me, he looked like someone with a wasting disease such as cancer or untreated AIDS.

I would like us to talk to each other in a more respectful tone. We are all trying to figure this out or we would not be on this thread nor would there be so many threads dedicated to finding out what happerned.

I wish we could, as a group, become less judgemental about AIDS. There shoul be no stigma. It is a disease, period.

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No terminal disease........Opioids made him look that way.

Strawberrylova123 said:

The family isn't really acting secretive, tyka said in the files that she wasn't aware of any medical issue's nor his addiction. Omarr hasn't spoken to prince since 2011, his family wasn't aware of anything

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I'm totally confused by your comment; you can't actually believe that!

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Tyka told the entire world that she knew her brother, Prince was dying, so how can you possibly believe what she told the investigators about not knowing about Prince's pain issues and pills??

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Sometimes I think that people are planted here on the forum, to throw us off track. But the facts in the zip files speak volumes.

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm totally confused by your comment; you can't actually believe that!

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Tyka told the entire world that she knew her brother, Prince was dying, so how can you possibly believe what she told the investigators about not knowing about Prince's pain issues and pills??

My comment is very clear, this was before the whole " my brother was dying 2 years" comment from tyka, which makes me believe even more that his family have no idea what was going on with his health

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She flat-out said she knew for 2-3 years that Prince was dying. Do you not remember that? What she told the investigators is another story.

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I think after the incident in Moline, Tyka spoke to Judith about what happened on that plane, and Tyka used her words and took that as a sign that Prince was dying.

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You can believe whatever you want, but I won't believe anything Tyka says anymore. She has not been truthful to the fans.

cloveringold85 said:

peggyon said:

Though a long-term Prince fan, I new to posting as it can be somewhat intimidating.

I hope I am not the person being referred to as a plant.

I am completly sincere in my thoughts. I am a medical professional (long-term RN) and some of the "facts" of this case do not make sense to me from a medical stand-point. This is the only reason I post.

In my profession as an ICU nurse, I work closely with with Intensivists (ICU MD's) everyday to discuss pathophysiology, symptoms, presentation, etc of the patients we are caring for. The MD's require us to operate at this level as these patients are often unstable and need us to be competent.

After many years of this practice, one starts to see patterns, ie. cardiac patients present differently than cancer patients who also present differently than those with cirrhosis etc. One starts to get a sense, it may seen as an educated instinct. We have to develop this trait as it helps us repsond proactively when symptoms are not yet overt.

I have never said that I am right , though it is a sense I have had consistently. This sense as well as the secrecy and spin- control exhibited by the family guide me to this idea.

In my mind, I have been evaluating different sorts of diseases for their "stigma-quotient". The sorts of diseases that have been promoted, ie., cancer, rheumatoid arthritis etc. do not generate judgement. Also,

Please look up cachexia. It is the physical state that Prince exhibited to me. To me, he looked like someone with a wasting disease such as cancer or untreated AIDS.

I would like us to talk to each other in a more respectful tone. We are all trying to figure this out or we would not be on this thread nor would there be so many threads dedicated to finding out what happerned.

I wish we could, as a group, become less judgemental about AIDS. There shoul be no stigma. It is a disease, period.

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No terminal disease........Opioids made him look that way.

Really - you think it was only the opioids? Then why did he seem to be wasting away the last six months or so? He had been using for a while to treat for pain. JMO but I can't see it that simply.

1Sasha said:

cloveringold85 said:

Vannormal said:

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Sure, Prince was stubborn as a Mule!! I have no doubt he used pain killers before 1984, but he took them in low doses; just enough to ease the pain and make him feel good. Drugs are so addictive because they make you feel GOOD. And, who doesn't want to feel good, 24/7, right? I know I do; but that is not reality. Sometimes, life sucks; sometimes life is painful.

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What led to Prince's downfall was being a rock star and having any drug easily available to you, at any given time. Instead of Prince getting proper medical treatment; he went straight for the pills--and the hard stuff; and where do you go from there? You get my point.

I get your point. And I absolutely fully agree.

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The thing is nowadays, people try to protect themselves, their loved ones and their children from basically evertyhing in life, from dissapointments and bad luck, and then call themselves free and happy.

Unfortunately they are deadwrong !

Life comes with it all ! The whole package is super interesting.

Don't be affraid to deal with it. DARE !

Like you say: 'Life sucks" (half of the time), and can be damn painful. And that's how it should be. Deal with it, don't run off in religion or anything else.

THINK, be critical, and LISTEN to the ones you can recognise yourself with. Less opinions too. (what am I doing here? )

Build up a life of all things involved. And that includes death, pain, loss, heartbreak, whatever.

That's what all these artists like Prince write songs about too.

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The internet ins't very helpful either. Every moment of our lives need to be 'great', and if not, clearly all the big highs and the lower lows spread out to un-asked-for opinions, likes and emojis.

After ten years I closed my facebook acount some while ago, and I never felt happier and relieved.

I call friends for dinner, a drink, whatever, but specifically ask them to NOT use their cellphones. No selfies, no recording, no video, just use your plain brains to remember 'it'.

I have lively and very vivid memories of Prince concerts from over the last 30 years. I really do.

I don't need all live shows on DVD or whatever. Music and my imagination is more than fullfiling 2 me.

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But then again i'm a bit of a hypocrit. Nowadays we can enjoy all things purple and funk thanks to the WW(Purple)W. Yeah i'm a 'just another sucker' like all the others purples.

cloveringold85 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said: My comment is very clear, this was before the whole " my brother was dying 2 years" comment from tyka, which makes me believe even more that his family have no idea what was going on with his health

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She flat-out said she knew for 2-3 years that Prince was dying. Do you not remember that? What she told the investigators is another story.

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I think after the incident in Moline, Tyka spoke to Judith about what happened on that plane, and Tyka used her words and took that as a sign that Prince was dying.

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You can believe whatever you want, but I won't believe anything Tyka says anymore. She has not been truthful to the fans.

Tyka is not trustworthy. She appears to be about the $$$ and status. Her most recent post on IG are photos of a Louis Vuitton handbag that Omarr and his wife gave her for her birthday. Who does that??? It's like she's saying "look at us we in the $$$ now, look what I got."

are you one of those "hiv is a myth"? Tommy Morrison died believing that. I've studied it somewhat, alot of the info doesn't make sense but after all this time, i think it's safe to say HIV causing Aids is not a myth.

Vannormal said:

Krystalkisses said:

2004Fan said: How do we know he had sexual intercourse in his later years? What about his I'm single, sexy and celebate statement? Also , it was the National Enquirer article that said Prince had AIDS and refused medical treatment saying God will cure me.

What ?

Are you all mad ? Insane ? Informed ?

I can't believe what i read sometimes.

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Try google, and look up what HIV is and means.

After that, take a week off.

Then look through google again and see what AIDS means.

So you won't mix up things.

AIDS and HIV is not the same.

(You need to be HIV positive in a really far state, to be able to devellop AIDS.)

And there are very few people out there who devellop AIDS from HIV, certainly in the western world.

Why not write LEUKEMIA/BREST CANCER in one phrase too !

Or mention together BROKEN HIP/HEART ATTACK...

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And what's that with not being open about being HIV positive for instance ? What's wrong with that ? Was it your fault then ? Why keep things secret for that matter ? Why ?

As if one chose to become HIV positive and needs to keep it shut ?

What a world do we live in ? How conservative are people still.

By the way, FYI, I have a lot of HIV friends and all of them still enjoy sex very very much. Both HIV men and women. They don't care, and are able to enjoy life and sex to the fullest. Nothing changed. Thank god they're open about it.

I also sometimes have sex with people that are HIV positive, and i'm not affraid, and I don't discriminate them on any level. It wasn't their choice or fault, and they are NOT dangerous to anyone. Keep things safe and you'll enjoy whatever you like, still.

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Don't get me wrong. This is not personal. I just am still so surprised of what I read here.

it sounds like it was not aids, this undisclosed illness whatever it was.

2004Fan said:

Vannormal said:

What ?

Are you all mad ? Insane ? Informed ?

I can't believe what i read sometimes.

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Try google, and look up what HIV is and means.

After that, take a week off.

Then look through google again and see what AIDS means.

So you won't mix up things.

AIDS and HIV is not the same.

(You need to be HIV positive in a really far state, to be able to devellop AIDS.)

And there are very few people out there who devellop AIDS from HIV, certainly in the western world.

Why not write LEUKEMIA/BREST CANCER in one phrase too !

Or mention together BROKEN HIP/HEART ATTACK...

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And what's that with not being open about being HIV positive for instance ? What's wrong with that ? Was it your fault then ? Why keep things secret for that matter ? Why ?

As if one chose to become HIV positive and needs to keep it shut ?

What a world do we live in ? How conservative are people still.

By the way, FYI, I have a lot of HIV friends and all of them still enjoy sex very very much. Both HIV men and women. They don't care, and are able to enjoy life and sex to the fullest. Nothing changed. Thank god they're open about it.

I also sometimes have sex with people that are HIV positive, and i'm not affraid, and I don't discriminate them on any level. It wasn't their choice or fault, and they are NOT dangerous to anyone. Keep things safe and you'll enjoy whatever you like, still.

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Don't get me wrong. This is not personal. I just am still so surprised of what I read here.

Wow! I'm so sorry for your reaction. I'm well aware of the difference between HIV and AIDS. Futhermore, I have no negative feelings at all regarding people having HIV or AIDS. I was writing about Prince and I don't think he would have admitted being HIV positive to anybody (except a physician), since control of his privacy and image was so important to him. *

Again, I really didn't mean to be disrespectfull. Peace.

ETA: * Therefore, I don't think Prince would have engaged in sex.

[Edited 5/18/18 7:15am]

2004Fan said:

Vannormal said:

Wow! I'm so sorry for your reaction. I'm well aware of the difference between HIV and AIDS. Futhermore, I have no negative feelings at all regarding people having HIV or AIDS. I was writing about Prince and I don't think he would have admitted being HIV positive to anybody (except a physician), since control of his privacy and image was so important to him. *

Again, I really didn't mean to be disrespectfull. Peace.

ETA: * Therefore, I don't think Prince would have engaged in sex.

[Edited 5/18/18 7:15am]

Hey !

Of course you're not being disrespectful. I appologise for my post actually.

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More peace !

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Like i said, this isn't personal, and has nothing to do with you.

But (someone's) god... you read a lot of horse-shit here on the org too.

Whatever I think, or we think of Prince's sex life is of no importance If I my be so direct and humble.

Honestly, they guy loved doing it.

Susan Rogers had interesting things to say about that. And Femi Jiya and Michael Koppelman too, and so many others.

I'm basically even very suprised as I come to think of it, that NONE of the women he slept with - and that IS a lot - never ever said anything (negative) about having sex with Prince in details or juicy tidbits. Not even his fella mates, bandmates, etc. We even don't know ANYTHING.

How wonderful is that ?! Hail to all those wonderful women that had the oportunity to be fucked by the guy in a good way

And I believe he treated them mostly with the deserved respect ! That sexy MF !

MMJas said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Yes. Very close.

Listen. Tricky? Come on. First you said you did not know what it was. Now you are saying you do. So just spit it out. No need for names. No need to blow the lid on anyone. Just say what the ilness was. You yourself said it would not affect his reputation or estate. Just say it.

You said a physical ilness. You said we were close with our assumptions. And you said it was not Aids/HIV. So that leaves:

- organ canc

- artritis

There were no other ilnesses proposed, i don't think? Which one was it?

And what do you mean about asociates alluding to certain things? Like what?

I want to apologize first to anyone who thinks I'm being manipulative or going through a song and dance about something that is serious. It's not my intention to seem obtuse.

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I'm going to answer a few things under the confines of what I've been allowed to discuss. Please bear in mind the following: while I don't know myself what happened because I wasn't there, I've been given info that was specific enough for me to believe them. After this, I'm not bringing it up again because it's become more trouble than it's worth to "say things without saying them".

To clarify: according to what I was told, these are the alleged health problems I can talk about. I'm saying "alleged" profusely from now on (sorry), not because I don't necessarily believe it or because it's false, but to cover my own ass and the people who told me the info 2 years ago and told me what I could and could not divulge. My sources are still around. My reluctance to publicly relay specifics is out of loyalty to them - not the estate, not the fans, not even Prince himself because his intense need for privacy at all costs led to this confusion to begin with. I will love Prince and his music forever, but these past 2 years of "I know but won't tell" is draining.

Anything that I don't divulge is for my sources to divulge in their own time and on their own terms.

1) I was told that there were allegedly significant health issues (re-occurring) that were unrelated to his pain med use and that he was actively fighting them. My sources had no knowledge of any pain med abuse. Regarding his actual pain med abuse, the alleged OD in 2010/2011 where he almost died was completely unrelated to his other alleged health issues. Those came later.

2) I was told that it was NOT HIV/AIDS but allegedly mimicked some of the symptoms and may have explained other alleged symptoms or diagnoses, including symptoms most recently revealed. My sources only referred to one alleged diagnosis. The blind item that went out 3 days before he passed (as "close, but no cigar" as it was) cannot be challenged nor can tabloids be held accountable because once he DID pass, under the law, the deceased cannot be defamed. That is the reason for the lack of libel lawsuits. In my case, I choose not to say more because my sources are still lurking about.

3) Given the release of information since April of 2016, especially the most recent, any officially released info or documentation does not necessarily discount what I was told.

4) Associates (and I use the word broadly) saying things like "I knew 2 years before he died" or things of that nature fall in line with everything I was told in 2016. Sidenote - in certain cases, that does not necessarily mean that they were as "associated" to Prince at the time as they currently make it out to be.

Again, the reason why I'm not saying much more than that is out of respect for the people who provided said info to me. I really hope people understand that I'm not trying to mindfuck anyone. I'm just trying to let people know that yes, according to my sources, allegedly, there were other issues. Serious issues that under other circumstances could have and should have been prevented. In the end, though, Prince's personal decisions outside of (and in tandem with) those alleged issues is why he's not here today. Don't shoot the messenger. It's the people within his circle that DO know that can easily confirm or deny things that keep this guessing going. As for me, I'm done.

peggyon said:

It is my understanding an HIV/Aids + person can have safe sex if they use a condom and are taking anti-retrovirals which render their viral load low.

I am not certain the lab results were given to us in a truthful manner. It would be interesting to acutually see the lab paperwork.

There has been a fair amount of secrecy within the family and it is possible they had a discussion with the police and the release of the "labs" may be a way to quell "the masses" and protect the legacy.

Personally, I feel he had untreated AIDS. He may have had treatment in the past though.

Any other condition/disease does not have that stigma and would have been shared long ago IMHO

If he did have AIDS, he likely experienced shame, especially within his JW belief-structure. He was not likely an IV drug user and it is much more difficult to be infected by women, so....This is where I feel the family is struggling with management of the legacy. They may feel this will "turn-off' segment of his fan base.

TC states it is not HIV/AIDS but is not coming up with an alternative that would explain so much secrecy.

everything you say is correct but two people allegedly close to the inner circle have said it wasn't aids, i kinda go along with that, even though the secrecy thing still boggles my mind. but.., as i have said, personally, i would rather lose a hero to aids than drugs, but that's just me. I fucking hate drugs.

cloveringold85 said: