well I am done guessing ...If you are so worried about your source , you should have kept all this to yourself.Regardless of any medical condition, he still died from a drug overdose and we will never have him back again

Krystalkisses said:

2004Fan said:

I don't know about sexual intercourse per se but I'm almost 100% sure he had sex (at least I hope so). I didn't believe his being celibate. Might have been to appease his JW beliefs/fellows. I didn't take everything from National Enquirer. The blind item I was referring to is another site which name escapes me. As I wrote in my post, it's my opinion which is subjective but based on what I know about P. I also suffer from osteoarthritis in my hands, hips, knees and lower spine. Some days I can't walk or handle things properly. So, I take Tylenol and Advil in order to sleep better on those days. I'm nowhere near the pain P had but I do think about him and undertand his taking pain pills.

Yes, I'm sorry if that post came off defensive it wasn't meant to be and certainty not directed at you personally, I just don't know what to believe honestly as a fan these twists and turns are exhausting and I wonder if these unreliable sources have been right all along, TMZ certainly was, I'm just tired of the guessing games sorry it isn't directed to anyone in particular.

Oh! Please don't worry. I didn't take your post personally at all. Our frustration with everything being said/written and not discussed/divulged is palpable.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

BS, he didn't die for us fans. If he was worried about his fans, he would've stayed alive by getting clean.

Prince was trying to get clean in his own private way. He didn't know how to handle, the breaking down of his little body, and the excruciating pain it was in, without the public finding out about it.

It just was too late. Plus TMZ put him in a damage control crisis!With their nosy investigation getting to the truth of what really happened in Moline. He was caught between a rock and a hard place. All while dealing with the horrible pain he was in.

Well he didn't mention the horrible pain to the Dr. He wasn't seeing a pain management Dr. either, nor was he getting legal scripts.

2004Fan said:

RJP1205 said:

TrcikyChristopher said: Trciky...was this alleged issue a physical illness causing Prince to self medicate with pain pills or a mental/stressful situation causing him to drown out problems with the pills?

I personally believe pain/meds and physical illness were 2 different issues.

80tomato said:

well I am done guessing ...If you are so worried about your source , you should have kept all this to yourself.Regardless of any medical condition, he still died from a drug overdose and we will never have him back again

I understand your frustration and yes he did die from a drug overdose but I think he would have died from this undisclosed illness eventually if not from drugs. Please do not discourage people with reliable information to post here (I do believe Trciky is reliable). Some orgers want to hear/read what other people may be able to add to all this info and develop their opinion furthermore.

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TC, this is getting a little ... old.

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Again, if you have something you feel would be good for fans to know, spit it out. Saying stuff like you're "not at liberty" and speaking in emoticons is silly. Who exactly is granting you persmission to speak on this message board, and what consequence would you potentially face for talking here?

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I mean, these "insiders" blabbed a bunch of stuff to you, allegedy, so they're not exactly religious about keeping things secret, it would seem.

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And can you provide any theories why this serious, deadly illness went unmentioned in the investigation, was not observed by Dr S, and went unmentioned by Prince to Dr S? I'm just asking your opinion here...

TrcikyChristopher said:

2004Fan said:

I personally believe pain/meds and physical illness were 2 different issues.

TrcikyChristopher said:

RJP1205 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

Ok...regardless of pills... was he facing a physical or stress related issue?

From my sources, allegedly, yes. The physical most likely added to the stress, hence anxiety meds, etc.

TrcikyChristopher said:

The only thing we can go by is the facts. And at this point the facts are in the zip files.

disch said:

TC, this is getting a little ... old.

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Again, if you have something you feel would be good for fans to know, spit it out. Saying stuff like you're "not at liberty" and speaking in emoticons is silly. Who exactly is granting you persmission to speak on this message board, and what consequence would you potentially face for talking here?

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I mean, these "insiders" blabbed a bunch of stuff to you, allegedy, so they're not exactly religious about keeping things secret, it would seem.

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And can you provide any theories why this serious, deadly illness went unmentioned in the investigation, was not observed by Dr S, and went unmentioned by Prince to Dr S? I'm just asking your opinion here...

TrcikyChristopher said:

It is getting old. 2 years is enough. It's frustrating when you know something and were sworn to specific secrecy but encouraged to allude to certain things. I'm getting tired of people actually in the circle alluding to things but not saying it outright. Why? For a book deal? For their stake in an estate or their own clout? I'm getting tired of it. I guess everyone will just have to wait 28 years.

TrcikyChristopher said:

disch said:

TC, this is getting a little ... old.

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Again, if you have something you feel would be good for fans to know, spit it out. Saying stuff like you're "not at liberty" and speaking in emoticons is silly. Who exactly is granting you persmission to speak on this message board, and what consequence would you potentially face for talking here?

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I mean, these "insiders" blabbed a bunch of stuff to you, allegedy, so they're not exactly religious about keeping things secret, it would seem.

-

And can you provide any theories why this serious, deadly illness went unmentioned in the investigation, was not observed by Dr S, and went unmentioned by Prince to Dr S? I'm just asking your opinion here...

It is getting old. 2 years is enough. It's frustrating when you know something and were sworn to specific secrecy but encouraged to allude to certain things. I'm getting tired of people actually in the circle alluding to things but not saying it outright. Why? For a book deal? For their stake in an estate or their own clout? I'm getting tired of it. I guess everyone will just have to wait 28 years.

If you are tired of it, spit it out.

jesus christ, TC -- just say what you know! You're on an anonymous message board! If ths "frustrates" you so much, then do something about it.

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Did these people who told you things threaten you in some way? What exactly is your fear? You say they're really annoying you, so why do you care if someohow they figure out what you posted here? And why did these people tell you these deep secrets if keeping them hidden was so vital to them?

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TC -- just keeping it real: You're not making a lot of sense (these apparently very powerful and threating "insiders" are "encouraging you to allude to things" on a fan-site message board and so you're dutifully doing that, even though you don't really want to, because.. why exactly?). The limited stuff you're saying isn't really gelling with the facts we know from the investigation files, and you've been unwilling so far to offer any thoughts about those discrepancies.

TrcikyChristopher said:

disch said:

TC, this is getting a little ... old.

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Again, if you have something you feel would be good for fans to know, spit it out. Saying stuff like you're "not at liberty" and speaking in emoticons is silly. Who exactly is granting you persmission to speak on this message board, and what consequence would you potentially face for talking here?

-

I mean, these "insiders" blabbed a bunch of stuff to you, allegedy, so they're not exactly religious about keeping things secret, it would seem.

-

And can you provide any theories why this serious, deadly illness went unmentioned in the investigation, was not observed by Dr S, and went unmentioned by Prince to Dr S? I'm just asking your opinion here...

It is getting old. 2 years is enough. It's frustrating when you know something and were sworn to specific secrecy but encouraged to allude to certain things. I'm getting tired of people actually in the circle alluding to things but not saying it outright. Why? For a book deal? For their stake in an estate or their own clout? I'm getting tired of it. I guess everyone will just have to wait 28 years.

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TrcikyChristopher said:

We've been talking about this ish, mostly on code of course, for decades. Pills and old FUNNY MOODS. He tried to get better, but on his own terms, and tragedy struck. My theory is that he just wanted to Dance, play music, sex, romance and try his best to NEVER GET BORED. That and maybe he was just being a bratty man-child, playing a dangerous game for attention and at some point he was in too deep, surrounded by people who didn't know how to reach him and fate took it's course. He had pain issues but I don't think they were debilitating to the point of the addiction. I just think the pills were a way of fast-tracking his day and at some point he was in over his head. I think he asked for help, in his own prideful way, but he needed a professional. MJ at least had the dentist to gas him up. Prince tried to finesse his addiction with amatuers. Just like the records! 5-0 said it was an accident though, so... there ya go, there ya go!

Y'all want the family to speak, and the protoges, but shti... he was closer to the fans, than any of them. Everytime they speak they get MOLLY-WHOPPED, by some nugget of truth Prince spread to us, but never shared with them. That's how that worked. We often times knew how he was doing more than they did. A lot of them got/get their info off the Org. A lot of them put stuff on the Org. Dude was hip to it and part of what I think attracted him here so much, was to see what the HELL they was up to behind his back. That was part of my thing for him. He'd point: Hulk SMASH! Me: Aww sh!!!

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

It is getting old. 2 years is enough. It's frustrating when you know something and were sworn to specific secrecy but encouraged to allude to certain things. I'm getting tired of people actually in the circle alluding to things but not saying it outright. Why? For a book deal? For their stake in an estate or their own clout? I'm getting tired of it. I guess everyone will just have to wait 28 years.

Ha ha ha...that's funny, your not serious with this right?...I actually laughed, thanks for that...now just stop

It is NOT getting 'old'...it's just getting started: the posturing and posing, bullshit and ego-enhancing nonsence, people scaming off Prince's reputation and power to grab a little of it for themselves...being in the know, having the true story...feeling powerful...are you feeling those sweet tingles yet TC or will you drop words, hints and inuendos for another 20 pages just bc it gets you off? What you and others like you do to Prince's still grieving fans is hurtful and mean, transparently ego-driven and cruel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

funksterr said:

We've been talking about this ish, mostly on code of course, for decades. Pills and old FUNNY MOODS. He tried to get better, but on his own terms, and tragedy struck. My theory is that he just wanted to Dance, play music, sex, romance and try his best to NEVER GET BORED. That and maybe he was just being a bratty man-child, playing a dangerous game for attention and at some point he was in too deep, surrounded by people who didn't know how to reach him and fate took it's course. He had pain issues but I don't think they were debilitating to the point of the addiction. I just think the pills were a way of fast-tracking his day and at some point he was in over his head. I think he asked for help, in his own prideful way, but he needed a professional. MJ at least had the dentist to gas him up. Prince tried to finesse his addiction with amatuers. Just like the records! 5-0 said it was an accident though, so... there ya go, there ya go!

Y'all want the family to speak, and the protoges, but shti... he was closer to the fans, than any of them. Everytime they speak they get MOLLY-WHOPPED, by some nugget of truth Prince spread to us, but never shared with them. That's how that worked. We often times knew how he was doing more than they did. A lot of them got/get their info off the Org. A lot of them put stuff on the Org. Dude was hip to it and part of what I think attracted him here so much, was to see what the HELL they was up to behind his back. That was part of my thing for him. He'd point: Hulk SMASH! Me: Aww sh!!!

A dangerous game for attention?? It doesn't sound like he wanted attention for this stuff at all. Do you honestly think the Org knew more about the daily comings and goings of PRince than the people around him. Fans have the whole view from a distance. They have the intimate moments up close. We see the forest. they see the trees. Fans might help them make sense of the man at times due to a degree of objectivity and long term committment (but in an armchair psychology kind of way). But these folks know what it FELT like to be around him.

As for trivializing the pain issues, I don't understand thinking that that wouldn't be tough enough to deal with to turn to drugs. P was a very physical performer and did it past the age that was advisable. How do you think he kept going?? He wasn't superman. Right now, eric Clapton has serious arthritis and can't play. NOw, he might not be addicted but unlike Prince he stopped playing when he got the arthritis. Prince played through that shit. And a little arthritis in his hands was not all there was to it.

https://reverb.com/news/chronic-pain-and-the-working-musician

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758983/

with this quote from the article...

Many studies find a high prevalence of work-related musculoskeletal disorders in musicians, ranging from 73.4% to 87.7%, and string players have the highest prevalence of musculoskeletal problems.

He played the instrument with the highest prevalence of pain issues. And of course, Prince also danced around with an instrument that is known to mess with the back and shoulders. Oh and the heels, oh and the splits for 20 years, oh and just the dancing he did in his 50's was probably too much.. He switched to piano because it is a little less painful, but it still can be pretty painful as well.

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purplerabbithole said:

funksterr said:

We've been talking about this ish, mostly on code of course, for decades. Pills and old FUNNY MOODS. He tried to get better, but on his own terms, and tragedy struck. My theory is that he just wanted to Dance, play music, sex, romance and try his best to NEVER GET BORED. That and maybe he was just being a bratty man-child, playing a dangerous game for attention and at some point he was in too deep, surrounded by people who didn't know how to reach him and fate took it's course. He had pain issues but I don't think they were debilitating to the point of the addiction. I just think the pills were a way of fast-tracking his day and at some point he was in over his head. I think he asked for help, in his own prideful way, but he needed a professional. MJ at least had the dentist to gas him up. Prince tried to finesse his addiction with amatuers. Just like the records! 5-0 said it was an accident though, so... there ya go, there ya go!

Y'all want the family to speak, and the protoges, but shti... he was closer to the fans, than any of them. Everytime they speak they get MOLLY-WHOPPED, by some nugget of truth Prince spread to us, but never shared with them. That's how that worked. We often times knew how he was doing more than they did. A lot of them got/get their info off the Org. A lot of them put stuff on the Org. Dude was hip to it and part of what I think attracted him here so much, was to see what the HELL they was up to behind his back. That was part of my thing for him. He'd point: Hulk SMASH! Me: Aww sh!!!

A dangerous game for attention?? It doesn't sound like he wanted attention for this stuff at all. Do you honestly think the Org knew more about the daily comings and goings of PRince than the people around him. Fans have the whole view from a distance. They have the intimate moments up close. We see the forest. they see the trees. Fans might help them make sense of the man at times due to a degree of objectivity and long term committment (but in an armchair psychology kind of way). But these folks know what it FELT like to be around him.

As for trivializing the pain issues, I don't understand thinking that that wouldn't be tough enough to deal with to turn to drugs. P was a very physical performer and did it past the age that was advisable. How do you think he kept going?? He wasn't superman. Right now, eric Clapton has serious arthritis and can't play. NOw, he might not be addicted but unlike Prince he stopped playing when he got the arthritis. Prince played through that shit. And a little arthritis in his hands was not all there was to it.

https://reverb.com/news/chronic-pain-and-the-working-musician

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3758983/

with this quote from the article...

Many studies find a high prevalence of work-related musculoskeletal disorders in musicians, ranging from 73.4% to 87.7%, and string players have the highest prevalence of musculoskeletal problems.

He played the instrument with the highest prevalence of pain issues. And of course, Prince also danced around with an instrument that is known to mess with the back and shoulders. Oh and the heels, oh and the splits for 20 years, oh and just the dancing he did in his 50's was probably too much.. He switched to piano because it is a little less painful, but it still can be pretty painful as well.

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Prince had Post Traumatic Arthritis...I saw it in a dream just after he passed....and then there are some pictures of his hands in the later years...Its obvious to someone who also suffers .

I got shot down for mentioning it of course...

He was NOT TAKING PAIN KILLERS for SHits and GIGGLES

THis PAIN is extreme....

and as to why he never mentioned it...

I also suffer from an autoimmune disease...so many symptoms and
I take Medical Marijuana for my pain...
Most people know that I am not very well, but
I manage to conduct my daily affairs and such a way that they Forget...
and I dont want to remind them either...

1) I dont want the Pity
2) I dont want to talk about it, Id rather just get on with Life
3) No one can really understand, except someone who has gone through it, so there is no point trying to explain so I dont.
My point is
Prince was probably also very much in that frame of mind.
he had stuff to do, and that was his main focus..
THe relief he found was a means to an end, which
Unfortunately became Literal..
I dont want to sit around all day long telling my friends..
I dont even confide in one, because doing that will surely
make them tell someone else
and then some one else...and before you know it
theres a pity party going on for me....Vomit the thought.

Ill do what I need to do to get by, and Ill die when I die
Meanwhile Im into Life.....

Prince was too..it was just his time...

Are the only two reasons for why someone would take opioids

- For physical pain relief

- for "shits and giggles"?

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Lovejunky said:

He was NOT TAKING PAIN KILLERS for SHits and GIGGLES

I agree. Sadly, I agree.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

TrcikyChristopher said: Ha ha ha...that's funny, your not serious with this right?...I actually laughed, thanks for that...now just stop

It is NOT getting 'old'...it's just getting started: the posturing and posing, bullshit and ego-enhancing nonsence, people scaming off Prince's reputation and power to grab a little of it for themselves...being in the know, having the true story...feeling powerful...are you feeling those sweet tingles yet TC or will you drop words, hints and inuendos for another 20 pages just bc it gets you off? What you and others like you do to Prince's still grieving fans is hurtful and mean, transparently ego-driven and cruel. You should be ashamed of yourself.

disch said:

Are the only two reasons for why someone would take opioids

- For physical pain relief

- for "shits and giggles"?

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Lovejunky said:

He was NOT TAKING PAIN KILLERS for SHits and GIGGLES

I would bet that MORE people take opioids for relief of EMOTIONAL pain and anxiety than for physical pain by a large margin. Emotional pain hurts, it's a real thing, it rarely goes away by itself...those who only cite the two reasons mentioned above for opioid use are insensitive, lack imagination or are simply ignorant.

2004Fan said:

Krystalkisses said:

2004Fan said: Yes, I'm sorry if that post came off defensive it wasn't meant to be and certainty not directed at you personally, I just don't know what to believe honestly as a fan these twists and turns are exhausting and I wonder if these unreliable sources have been right all along, TMZ certainly was, I'm just tired of the guessing games sorry it isn't directed to anyone in particular.

Oh! Please don't worry. I didn't take your post personally at all. Our frustration with everything being said/written and not discussed/divulged is palpable.

Thank you so much for your patience. The only thing about that sexual comment is if he did have AIDS he could still be sexual with others and have a sex life while not putting anyone in harms was or transfer the virus...that was my only point..that we can't assume just because he had girlfriends that the AIDS story isn't a plausible reality. Although I sincerely hope he didn't but at this point, I mean after all the shocking revelations, I'm prepared for just about anything at this point.

I'm just upset and I mean short of being a devil worshiper I mean what in the world could they tell us about Prince that would change how we fans feel about him. There are still so many loyal Prince fans out there who are heartbroken and sad about this. I'm still so sad about this and it hurts my heart so much that he was suffering after seeing pictures of him dead it just really hit me...I will never see him again and it just really hurts that is all...my girlhood crush, my favorite artist, being a fangirl...it is just all over ....and it sucks....I just don't like the feeling of being f'd with .

I agree -- I think it's good that there's much sympathy for people who use opioids (even black market) to try to relieve physical pain. I wish that sympathy could extend to people who use opioids to try to relieve emotional pain, as well. So many people in the U.S. are struggling this way -- childhood abuse survivors, war veterans, people with undiagnosed clinic depression or anxiety, etc. -- and I think that's really connected to the opioid crisis.

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It's been said that virtually everyone who develops an addiction has some underlying issue -- physical pain or emotional pain. Pretty much no one who develops an addiction to drugs or alchohol reaches that point simply because they're having so much fun.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

Are the only two reasons for why someone would take opioids

- For physical pain relief

- for "shits and giggles"?

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I would bet that MORE people take opioids for relief of EMOTIONAL pain and anxiety than for physical pain by a large margin. Emotional pain hurts, it's a real thing, it rarely goes away by itself...those who only cite the two reasons mentioned above for opioid use are insensitive, lack imagination or are simply ignorant.

It could be both reasons, but I disagree with the trivializingof the pain issue. I reckon that a lot of musicians deal with this kind of physical pain (as the two articles I posted earlier state). I contend that Prince working as much as he did is how he dealt with emotional issues in most cases--the drugs enabled him to keep working. But I will say that listening to the lyrics of CLouds, Breakdown, and Way back home, he might have started to appreciate the drugs' calming effects on him emotionally as well. He is almost cryptically condoning the effect they had on him. At that point, it feels like he was using them to combat depression as well,. But then again, chronic pain sufferers do get depressed too.. I think physical pain, emotional pain and his obsession with music as a panacea were all tied together. I also think that perhaps when he would talk about "studio rehab", he wasn't just talking about taking a break from recording. I think he might have been also talking about taking a break from the drugs that enabled him to keep working as hard as he had been. This is partly why I think the meeting, Meron, Kirk, and LG had with Prince before his death with them stating that he needed some rest and a break...was basically a subtle way of saying that he needed a break from all the stresses (chemical, emotional, and physical) he was inflicting on himself. It was a bit of a catch 22 though. To deal with emotional issues, prince turns to music. To deal with physical issues associated with music, he turns to drugs. The drug in turn calms him a bit but then it ultimately lead to more pain and then more pain again due to the fact that he now knows that to keep working he has to take those drugs. Mayte wasn't lying when she said his addiction was music..but with music comes a price (and of coursenbenefits) But obviously music alone should not be a panacea for all that ails you..

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

Are the only two reasons for why someone would take opioids

- For physical pain relief

- for "shits and giggles"?

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I would bet that MORE people take opioids for relief of EMOTIONAL pain and anxiety than for physical pain by a large margin. Emotional pain hurts, it's a real thing, it rarely goes away by itself...those who only cite the two reasons mentioned above for opioid use are insensitive, lack imagination or are simply ignorant.

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disch said:

I agree -- I think it's good that there's much sympathy for people who use opioids (even black market) to try to relieve physical pain. I wish that sympathy could extend to people who use opioids to try to relieve emotional pain, as well. So many people in the U.S. are struggling this way -- childhood abuse survivors, war veterans, people with undiagnosed clinic depression or anxiety, etc. -- and I think that's really connected to the opioid crisis.

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It's been said that virtually everyone who develops an addiction has some underlying issue -- physical pain or emotional pain.Pretty much no one who develops an addiction to drugs or alchohol reaches that point simply because they're having so much fun.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I would bet that MORE people take opioids for relief of EMOTIONAL pain and anxiety than for physical pain by a large margin. Emotional pain hurts, it's a real thing, it rarely goes away by itself...those who only cite the two reasons mentioned above for opioid use are insensitive, lack imagination or are simply ignorant.

THIS! (sorry that the font got tiny on me...that's the best part!)

THat's a good point that physical pain and emotional pain/depression can be intertwined: one kind of pain can cause the other.

purplerabbithole said:

It could be both reasons, but I disagree with the trivializingof the pain issue. I reckon that a lot of musicians deal with this kind of physical pain (as the two articles I posted earlier state). I contend that Prince working as much as he did is how he dealt with emotional issues in most cases--the drugs enabled him to keep working. But I will say that listening to the lyrics of CLouds, Breakdown, and Way back home, he might have started to appreciate the drugs' calming effects on him emotionally as well. He is almost cryptically condoning the effect they had on him. At that point, it feels like he was using them to combat depression as well,. But then again, chronic pain sufferers do get depressed too.. I think physical pain, emotional pain and his obsession with music as a panacea were all tied together. I also think that perhaps when he would talk about "studio rehab", he wasn't just talking about taking a break from recording. I think he might have been also talking about taking a break from the drugs that enabled him to keep working as hard as he had been. This is partly why I think the meeting, Meron, Kirk, and LG had with Prince before his death with them stating that he needed some rest and a break...was basically a subtle way of saying that he needed a break from all the stresses (chemical, emotional, and physical) he was inflicting on himself. It was a bit of a catch 22 though. To deal with emotional issues, prince turns to music. To deal with physical issues associated with music, he turns to drugs. The drug in turn calms him a bit but then it ultimately lead to more pain and then more pain again due to the fact that he now knows that to keep working he has to take those drugs. Mayte wasn't lying when she said his addiction was music..but with music comes a price (and of coursrbenefits) But music alone should not be a panacea.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I would bet that MORE people take opioids for relief of EMOTIONAL pain and anxiety than for physical pain by a large margin. Emotional pain hurts, it's a real thing, it rarely goes away by itself...those who only cite the two reasons mentioned above for opioid use are insensitive, lack imagination or are simply ignorant.

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[Edited 5/17/18 22:14pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I agree -- I think it's good that there's much sympathy for people who use opioids (even black market) to try to relieve physical pain. I wish that sympathy could extend to people who use opioids to try to relieve emotional pain, as well. So many people in the U.S. are struggling this way -- childhood abuse survivors, war veterans, people with undiagnosed clinic depression or anxiety, etc. -- and I think that's really connected to the opioid crisis.

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It's been said that virtually everyone who develops an addiction has some underlying issue -- physical pain or emotional pain.Pretty much no one who develops an addiction to drugs or alchohol reaches that point simply because they're having so much fun.

THIS! (sorry that the font got tiny on me...that's the best part!)

So very true. So many fans try to downplay the role his addiction that may have been due to emotional trauma/ psychological problems and I find it annoying.

disch said:

Are the only two reasons for why someone would take opioids

- For physical pain relief

- for "shits and giggles"?

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Lovejunky said:

He was NOT TAKING PAIN KILLERS for SHits and GIGGLES

No..

I believe there is a third reason..

Some people cant cope with the shittiness of their own lives

cant find any joy so they take opiods to feel HIGH Relaxed and Happy...

Heroin is one such example....

Jesus, what's happened to this thread...are we going to have one of these every few months...nudge, nudge, wink wink innuendo & hints! The conclusions are :

He died as per the offcial reports from an OD - pills for long term performance related pain, self managed & done so very badly. Also had a long history of meds abuse starting with cough meds from P. Rain onwards that escalated over the years [according to Susan Rogers]

OR the nonsense that we have heard over the last 2 years which in summary is:

1] AIDS

2] Dementia

3] A potentially fatal disease [cancer]

4] Murder [seriously?!]

5] Onset of extreme arthritis affecting his ability to perform

all underpinned with severe depression.

Beyond all of the above it cannot really be anything else. The only theory missing is that he was taken back to Jupiter!

Mods...close this nonsense up!

disch said:

No matter what his cause of death, his legacy isn't being overwhelmed as being a "drug addicted rock star." His 40-year track record of unforgettable music will stand.

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I've said it before, but there is no indication that rock stars who died drug-related deaths were rejected by the public. If that were true, none of us would remember Elvis Presley, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain and many, many others.

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Prince legacy is fine. He spent 40 years making sure of that.

PennyPurple said:

If they were worried about his legacy, then they shouldn't let it go down as a drug addicted rock star.

brilliant point, add Bowie to the list who went through masses of drug abuse - coked to hell during the Thin White Duke phase & white soul boy eras - his legacy is also firmy in tact. Same with the Roling Stones.