Bodhitheblackdog said:

All this speculation about what happened, when the truth is right here. This video is a few weeks old. Put aside your bias, put aside your pre-conceived notions, remove all your theories, open your mind and take this all in, and in doing so, things will finally start to make sense. Think about all the holes in this case, all the strangeness, all the wtf moments...nothing about this investigation nor how they would like us to believe things happened makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYVB7pPzQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

From start to finish the how, why and who are talked about, how many will actually listen to this? Probably not many. How many will try to comment from a place of knowledge even though they haven't? Probably a lot of you.

For those that do listen, THIS is the only thing out there that makes sense, it all lines up, AND, everything said since day 2 has been verified to be true.

One item, mentioned 2 days after his passing, that is now verrified by video as well, is that he met with a doctor the day before he passed, why? Because he was getting a heavy metal blood test as he was pretty sure at this point that he was being poisoned, and the blood results proved that. He went back to Paisley after this test, very upset, and told everyone there to go home, because he didn't know who he could trust at this point. (both points already verified)

Two days after his passing this visit was not only revealed, but so was the doctors name, the time was named, and now we have a video to go along with this as well, showing Prince walking into the office, and, out of the office at that very time and day he was said to have done so, long before this information was public knowledge for anyone. No cane and no lack of mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

Dismiss all of this if you will, but in doing so, you are turning your back on the only truth out there regarding what happened to our beloved Prince.

Before anyone comments on how this woman swore a lot in her early videos, and that he wouldn't associate with her.......come on folks, use your common sense and don't be so short sighted. Prince swore his ass off for most of his life, did that make him a bad person? Did that mean his heart was not pure? Did that mean he loved God any less? The answer of course is no to all of that. He had a swear jar at paisley for a reason, because everyone around him swore, people that he respected and loved.

For those on the fence about how this information was obtained, all I can say is being right once is lucky, being right on 50+ points before anyone could possibly know is legitimacy.

Prince (is) a very rare and powerful spirit, he rose up all those around him, was decribed by many as otherworldly, etc, so if Prince having the ability to come to this person after his passing seems far fetched, and if the notion that someone on this earthly plane could indeed communicate with the beyond seems unlikely, then I would speculate that the afterlife that 95% of the world believes in, would have to be a mere fantasy as well. That notion is no less far fetched, fanstastic, or incomprehensible than an interaction between Prince and an intuitive channel.

So what is in the video leadline ...did he die from lead poisoning

Possibly besides the topic for you all, but I think it's the truth :

This is certainly no whodunit theory, but just the way it was acoording to Susan Rogers, Princ's long time engineer in the eighties, and what she told in this interview :

http://thegoodamericancollective.blogspot.be/2018/04/charles-rivers-show-prince-engineer.html

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In the last couple of minutes of the long and very interesting interview, she says this

(I tried to write it for you. mind the mistakes and errors please) :

It's an interesting approach :

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Do NDAs survive the death of the person requiring them? That is one of two reasons I could think of why people aren't talking: a financial penalty if they do. The other reason is culpability of some sort.

I just don't think he popped one random pill and dropped dead. I just don't.

1Sasha said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

oh lawd dont tell me its the penguin girl from twitter. Is all of this speculation based on chinese whispers?...case closed to these ears unless someone of real note from the band, close friends or family comes out openly.

[Edited 5/17/18 9:32am]

I don't believe anything from any of the associates. They'll say anything to earn a buck.

1Sasha said:

TrcikyChristopher said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, and we don't even know how many times he came close to being in that "black out" state and near overdose.

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It's almost like an alcoholic who needs to drink more and more to get the same effect and feeling no pain, until the point of blacking-out.

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Sad.

As I've stated before, and I really don't care at this point what records may or may not state or who doesn't believe it: Prince overdosed in LA around 2010/2011. His stomach was pumped at Cedars-Sinai. We almost lost him THEN. People in the camp knew about it. Trust me on this.

Prince had an issue with painkillers for years. Lord knows how long.

However, that still does NOT discount any underlying health issues he may have had - no matter the denial. There were other things going on that made his painkiller problem worse. It's easier for people to point to the painkillers because, theoretically, that IS what ultimately killed him. Technically.

[Edited 5/16/18 19:04pm]

[Edited 5/16/18 19:07pm]

And yet we also have an account of what happened between '84 and '08, when P was alleged to have taken dilaudid and fentanyl for decades to cure his stage fright. Amazingly, 2 drugs that we now know were in his body at some point in the very last few days. Funny coincidence, don't you think? And no mention by Dr 'D' of any underlying physical issues or bone pain. Now of course it's possible he had an underlying issue say since 2010, however unlikely that is. But even that possibility does nothing to rule out prior use of opiate drugs.

Addiction i also a disease and people who are struggling with it aren't popping pills "juts for the heck of it."

Strawberrylova123 said:

1Sasha said:

Do NDAs survive the death of the person requiring them? That is one of two reasons I could think of why people aren't talking: a financial penalty if they do. The other reason is culpability of some sort.

I just don't think he popped one random pill and dropped dead. I just don't.

But he wasn't popping pain meds just for the heck of it, many people on here are ignorant regarding chronic pain. Chronic p ain is an illness and its dreadful to live through it on a daily basis. If you read the file's it reveals a man who was in constant excruciating pain [Edited 5/17/18 10:29am]

Nope, nope, nope. Let's stick to facts only. The fact of the matter is that blood test revealed nothing but mild anemia. The pee test showed opoiods.

The truth is not right there in those videos, it's only the truth as YOU think it.

leadline said:

All this speculation about what happened, when the truth is right here. This video is a few weeks old. Put aside your bias, put aside your pre-conceived notions, remove all your theories, open your mind and take this all in, and in doing so, things will finally start to make sense. Think about all the holes in this case, all the strangeness, all the wtf moments...nothing about this investigation nor how they would like us to believe things happened makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYVB7pPzQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

From start to finish the how, why and who are talked about, how many will actually listen to this? Probably not many. How many will try to comment from a place of knowledge even though they haven't? Probably a lot of you.

For those that do listen, THIS is the only thing out there that makes sense, it all lines up, AND, everything said since day 2 has been verified to be true.

One item, mentioned 2 days after his passing, that is now verrified by video as well, is that he met with a doctor the day before he passed, why? Because he was getting a heavy metal blood test as he was pretty sure at this point that he was being poisoned, and the blood results proved that. He went back to Paisley after this test, very upset, and told everyone there to go home, because he didn't know who he could trust at this point. (both points already verified)

Two days after his passing this visit was not only revealed, but so was the doctors name, the time was named, and now we have a video to go along with this as well, showing Prince walking into the office, and, out of the office at that very time and day he was said to have done so, long before this information was public knowledge for anyone. No cane and no lack of mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

Dismiss all of this if you will, but in doing so, you are turning your back on the only truth out there regarding what happened to our beloved Prince.

Before anyone comments on how this woman swore a lot in her early videos, and that he wouldn't associate with her.......come on folks, use your common sense and don't be so short sighted. Prince swore his ass off for most of his life, did that make him a bad person? Did that mean his heart was not pure? Did that mean he loved God any less? The answer of course is no to all of that. He had a swear jar at paisley for a reason, because everyone around him swore, people that he respected and loved.

For those on the fence about how this information was obtained, all I can say is being right once is lucky, being right on 50+ points before anyone could possibly know is legitimacy.

Prince (is) a very rare and powerful spirit, he rose up all those around him, was decribed by many as otherworldly, etc, so if Prince having the ability to come to this person after his passing seems far fetched, and if the notion that someone on this earthly plane could indeed communicate with the beyond seems unlikely, then I would speculate that the afterlife that 95% of the world believes in, would have to be a mere fantasy as well. That notion is no less far fetched, fanstastic, or incomprehensible than an interaction between Prince and an intuitive channel.

Thanks Penny, co-sign...

PennyPurple said:

Nope, nope, nope. Let's stick to facts only. The fact of the matter is that blood test revealed nothing but mild anemia. The pee test showed opoiods.

The truth is not right there in those videos, it's only the truth as YOU think it.

leadline said:

All this speculation about what happened, when the truth is right here. This video is a few weeks old. Put aside your bias, put aside your pre-conceived notions, remove all your theories, open your mind and take this all in, and in doing so, things will finally start to make sense. Think about all the holes in this case, all the strangeness, all the wtf moments...nothing about this investigation nor how they would like us to believe things happened makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYVB7pPzQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

From start to finish the how, why and who are talked about, how many will actually listen to this? Probably not many. How many will try to comment from a place of knowledge even though they haven't? Probably a lot of you.

For those that do listen, THIS is the only thing out there that makes sense, it all lines up, AND, everything said since day 2 has been verified to be true.

One item, mentioned 2 days after his passing, that is now verrified by video as well, is that he met with a doctor the day before he passed, why? Because he was getting a heavy metal blood test as he was pretty sure at this point that he was being poisoned, and the blood results proved that. He went back to Paisley after this test, very upset, and told everyone there to go home, because he didn't know who he could trust at this point. (both points already verified)

Two days after his passing this visit was not only revealed, but so was the doctors name, the time was named, and now we have a video to go along with this as well, showing Prince walking into the office, and, out of the office at that very time and day he was said to have done so, long before this information was public knowledge for anyone. No cane and no lack of mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

Dismiss all of this if you will, but in doing so, you are turning your back on the only truth out there regarding what happened to our beloved Prince.

Before anyone comments on how this woman swore a lot in her early videos, and that he wouldn't associate with her.......come on folks, use your common sense and don't be so short sighted. Prince swore his ass off for most of his life, did that make him a bad person? Did that mean his heart was not pure? Did that mean he loved God any less? The answer of course is no to all of that. He had a swear jar at paisley for a reason, because everyone around him swore, people that he respected and loved.

For those on the fence about how this information was obtained, all I can say is being right once is lucky, being right on 50+ points before anyone could possibly know is legitimacy.

Prince (is) a very rare and powerful spirit, he rose up all those around him, was decribed by many as otherworldly, etc, so if Prince having the ability to come to this person after his passing seems far fetched, and if the notion that someone on this earthly plane could indeed communicate with the beyond seems unlikely, then I would speculate that the afterlife that 95% of the world believes in, would have to be a mere fantasy as well. That notion is no less far fetched, fanstastic, or incomprehensible than an interaction between Prince and an intuitive channel.

ditto that

PennyPurple said:

Nope, nope, nope. Let's stick to facts only. The fact of the matter is that blood test revealed nothing but mild anemia. The pee test showed opoiods.

The truth is not right there in those videos, it's only the truth as YOU think it.

leadline said:

All this speculation about what happened, when the truth is right here. This video is a few weeks old. Put aside your bias, put aside your pre-conceived notions, remove all your theories, open your mind and take this all in, and in doing so, things will finally start to make sense. Think about all the holes in this case, all the strangeness, all the wtf moments...nothing about this investigation nor how they would like us to believe things happened makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYVB7pPzQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

From start to finish the how, why and who are talked about, how many will actually listen to this? Probably not many. How many will try to comment from a place of knowledge even though they haven't? Probably a lot of you.

For those that do listen, THIS is the only thing out there that makes sense, it all lines up, AND, everything said since day 2 has been verified to be true.

One item, mentioned 2 days after his passing, that is now verrified by video as well, is that he met with a doctor the day before he passed, why? Because he was getting a heavy metal blood test as he was pretty sure at this point that he was being poisoned, and the blood results proved that. He went back to Paisley after this test, very upset, and told everyone there to go home, because he didn't know who he could trust at this point. (both points already verified)

Two days after his passing this visit was not only revealed, but so was the doctors name, the time was named, and now we have a video to go along with this as well, showing Prince walking into the office, and, out of the office at that very time and day he was said to have done so, long before this information was public knowledge for anyone. No cane and no lack of mobility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXNAtnRm8s

Dismiss all of this if you will, but in doing so, you are turning your back on the only truth out there regarding what happened to our beloved Prince.

Before anyone comments on how this woman swore a lot in her early videos, and that he wouldn't associate with her.......come on folks, use your common sense and don't be so short sighted. Prince swore his ass off for most of his life, did that make him a bad person? Did that mean his heart was not pure? Did that mean he loved God any less? The answer of course is no to all of that. He had a swear jar at paisley for a reason, because everyone around him swore, people that he respected and loved.

For those on the fence about how this information was obtained, all I can say is being right once is lucky, being right on 50+ points before anyone could possibly know is legitimacy.

Prince (is) a very rare and powerful spirit, he rose up all those around him, was decribed by many as otherworldly, etc, so if Prince having the ability to come to this person after his passing seems far fetched, and if the notion that someone on this earthly plane could indeed communicate with the beyond seems unlikely, then I would speculate that the afterlife that 95% of the world believes in, would have to be a mere fantasy as well. That notion is no less far fetched, fanstastic, or incomprehensible than an interaction between Prince and an intuitive channel.

Strawberrylova123 said:

1Sasha said:

Do NDAs survive the death of the person requiring them? That is one of two reasons I could think of why people aren't talking: a financial penalty if they do. The other reason is culpability of some sort.

I just don't think he popped one random pill and dropped dead. I just don't.

But he wasn't popping pain meds just for the heck of it, many people on here are ignorant regarding chronic pain. Chronic p ain is an illness and its dreadful to live through it on a daily basis. If you read the file's it reveals a man who was in constant excruciating pain [Edited 5/17/18 10:29am]

Also to think that he was still performing through ALL this excruciating pain & still sounding better than ever.

Prince was so dedicated to his craft & just brilliant to the end! He actually really did die for his fans. To think ALL that pain he was in during that last breathtakingly, beautiful, performance he did in Atlanta and not ONCE out of key.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

OMG Pete, you are SOOOOOOOO romantic!

Meanwhile Laura would be racing to Paisley Park in an effort to recover his sweaty unwashed clothing as well as discarded photos of his ex-lovers so she could make voodoo dolls out of them (while not forgetting to pocket, then trash anything that remotely hinted 'drug addict' - including glue and marker pens) !!!

TrickyChristopher, I know you cannot divulge too much of what you know, but I am curious...in this 2 year "back-and-forth" multi-thread discussion, have any of the org posters "come close" or actually identified the truth of the matter surrounding Prince's health?

If he was overwhelmed by excrutiating physical pain at the end of his life, do you have theories why he didn't bring this up to Dr S when he met with him, or find another doctor to work with him on this? We know he had surgery around 2010 so it's not like he was philosophically opposed to conventional medical help.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

1Sasha said: But he wasn't popping pain meds just for the heck of it, many people on here are ignorant regarding chronic pain. Chronic p ain is an illness and its dreadful to live through it on a daily basis. If you read the file's it reveals a man who was in constant excruciating pain [Edited 5/17/18 10:29am]

Also to think that he was still performing through ALL this excruciating pain & still sounding better than ever.

Prince was so dedicated to his craft & just brilliant to the end! He actually really did die for his fans. To think ALL that pain he was in during that last breathtakingly, beautiful, performance he did in Atlanta and not ONCE out of key.

[Edited 5/17/18 11:19am]

PeteSilas said:

i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

WHY? Because it's the LAW to protect patient privacy...duh.I'm not sure that spilling the beans re the health of an adult to 'family members' OR ANY OTHER SENTIENT BEING lines up with HIPPA Privacy protections....would you want your private medical information shared with a half-sibling, for example, with whom you had no contact and who had never been in your home? Would you want your struggles with addiction shared with your not-too-bright sister who had drug addiction issues of her own? I mean, where would such a violation end? Would it be OK to tell Rolling Stone or TMZ just so those entities could light a fire under Prince? Unless someone is specifically named as a health care representative...they are not entitled to ANY medical information about an individual....and that goes for a spouse. Get real.This sounds like the drival posted by some orgers to the effect that if they had been around, they would have kidnapped Prince and taken him, against his will, to a hospital. Hey, while you're at it...why not sexually molest him in the car on the way over? I mean, you're a fan, right???You can do no wrong.

[Edited 5/16/18 15:13pm]

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The sad fact is, Prince didn't have anyone around him who had the cajones to help him get clean.

TrcikyChristopher said:

80tomato said:

why not fill us in with what u know?

I've shared everything I am able to share without compromising my multiple sources. I'm only hoping that the charade ends soon. It's getting ridiculous at this point. 10 threads deep and 2 years in, and we're here discussing something that could easily be put to rest by a press release or interview. It's really that simple.

Instead, we're just unnecessarily tiptoeing around shit while arguing about half-assed "new" releases because they're too busy arguing among themselves.

It's a damned shame.

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Because Prince's family will not give a statement. The only family member I can think of that has said anything about the death investigation has been Sharon, Omar and Chazz, although he's not a close family member.

TrcikyChristopher said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Boy, here we go again. It almost seems it's a requirement of Prince fandom that one adopts certain beliefs/behaviors like paranoia, secrecy, smug know-it-all-ness, being in the 'inner circle', control ('I know what really happened and you don't naa naa naa.') manipulation ('I know what really happened...' etc.)...it's exhausting...

I'm not in any inner circle. I'm not manipulating anyone nor am I being smug or paranoid. I'm stating what's been told to ME by multiple sources within the confines of what I am allowed to discuss. Believe what you want or just wait 28 fucking years because no one in the inner circle who knows what actually happened will open their mouths publically and would rather keep everyone guessing under the guise of "Prince's privacy" but most likely because, as someone alluded to earlier, money talks.

[Edited 5/16/18 21:52pm]

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What a joke! Prince's privacy? Nah, they are just using that as an excuse to not tell the truth, and the sheep will believe that bullshit. Not me.

peggyon said:

I have been meaning to mention this for awhile. I am an RN and have worked extensively with people undergoing hip and knee replacements, usually related to osteoarthritis. Prince probably had traumatic arthritis from years of extreme dancing and jumping etc. I wanted to reassure you that the vast majority of folks feel great after a somewhat painful or uncomfortable recovery of 6-8 weeks. If his other hip hurt alot, I would guess he would have had it replaced as well. The last picture of him walking into the appt with Dr Shulenberg with Kurt showed a strong, even gait with no limping and no cane.

I have been an RN for 30+ years, the other half of which was in the ICU where one sees many types of severe illnesses. Sometimes, one gets a sense of underlying issues.I do not feel that Prince only had an addiction. Addicts tend to be thin, but he was wasting fairly quickly. This is an just an intuition I am having difficulty shaking. I know his labs were essentially normal but something tells me there is more to this story. I know this may upset some folks. It is not my intention. IMHO, it is not coincidence that this thread is so long. There is a need for closure.

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I am very surprised that Prince didn't have more serious health issues considering the drugs he was taking; and only had mild anemia.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i woulda kidnapped him homeboy. I wouldn't want to molest him but i'd get the fucker clean, i'd chain him to a redwood while he's going through withdrawals like a bad pitbull.

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The sad fact is, Prince didn't have anyone around him who had the cajones to help him get clean.

that's true, i've said it before but as bad as the guys around elvis were, and they were pretty bad, they did try to get the man clean, they beat up drug dealers, they threatened drug dealers, they even wrote a tell all book right before he died, at least partly in the hopes that E would wake up and get clean. The result was sad, elvis got his hands on a manuscript of the book before it was published and was seen banging his head against a wall and saying "my life is over".

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, and we don't even know how many times he came close to being in that "black out" state and near overdose.

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It's almost like an alcoholic who needs to drink more and more to get the same effect and feeling no pain, until the point of blacking-out.

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Sad.

Many times, if you consider Kirk's comment at the hospital "we can't keep doing this". What is "this"? Taking him to the hospital unconscious? Trying to wake him up after he dozed off? Hiding his problem? What?

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Yup! And, giving him something to take the edge off; he knew.

kmama07 said:

PeteSilas said:

all depends on what they were testing for, without the autopsy, i'm not 100 percent convinced.

There was a time I thought it was a possibility, but after reading the interviews, don't you think it (a chronic/terminal illness) would have been brought up to the staff who worked on him in Moline? JMO [Edited 5/15/18 14:53pm]

It was clearly stated in the interviews that Dr S was "testing for organ damage" due to prescrition pain pill use/abuse, and if so, that was going to be used as "leverage" to try to convince Prince to go to treatment. When Dr S was asked about the reults and if they were in, he replied "yes, but there is virtually nothing there...other than slight anemia".

Strawberrylova123 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

AND, they're 'afraid' of betraying their 'sources' as if 1) if many people knew, how could a single source be "identified" ?and 2) what would happen if the 'truth' were told? a mean tweet? a hanging at noon? no more Prince rare boots? Prince would still be dead...without a Will, I would add 3) A 'secret' like this, known to more than a few, would never have been kept for 2 plus years...it defies logic, human nature and the laws of the universe. Cut the cr--.

[Edited 5/17/18 8:41am]

[Edited 5/17/18 8:42am]

Last year i also had an inside source ( she is legit) told me that prince had pancreatic cancer but she was wrong, i believe that people did get info from legit people but i think they were looking for awnsers and guessing

And you swallowed it hook, line and sinker. At least you were consistent in getting dragged around with that hook in your nostrils. You don't remember how adamant about it you were? You should have your "inside source" quarantined or committed, for her arrogance is the type that would have innocent people jailed, railroaded and put to death with her bluster of truth. Yet you say ...(" she is legit") . Oh the irony.

Just like the other naive cult worshippers that were waiting for a "book", an FBI investigation into his imaginary ties to the BLM "revolutionary" group that caused his death by the "man/ record label/ former spies in a Russian Gulag... Lastly, and worst of all, those who still await additional scientific and mathematical information to support what a secretive and unhealthy life he lived. It's all the same. Still in denial.

Vannormal said:

Possibly besides the topic for you all, but I think it's the truth :

This is certainly no whodunit theory, but just the way it was acoording to Susan Rogers, Princ's long time engineer in the eighties, and what she told in this interview :

http://thegoodamericancollective.blogspot.be/2018/04/charles-rivers-show-prince-engineer.html

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In the last couple of minutes of the long and very interesting interview, she says this

(I tried to write it for you. mind the mistakes and errors please) :

It's an interesting approach :

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"... He was small in stature. He had a terrible problem that develloped over many years with his hips knees and ancles. And that was an erosion of the connected tissue that caused bone on bone excruciating pain. You see those videos from him in the eighties jumping the speakers stack and stuff in his high heels (and basketball).

He abused his body by overworking it, and it caused pain. Now because -when I was with him this was the case, he hated to cancel a show, and he hated to admid he was sick. He didn't want to admid weakness. So, when he was sick on the Pruple Rain Tour he would just take (medicine), a caugh medicine just to get him through it. He wouldn't admid that he was sick. He would never slow down. So I can see; if you got a body that refuses to admid that it's hurting, and, you've got a religious believe later in life that prohibits you from getting medical attention for this problem. You are going to take pain medicne. And you got a small body, and you got to build up a tolerance, you gonna take more and more and more and more pain medicine, until this poor body couldn't take it anymore. I've heard from people that were close to him that the last year of his life, and they said he was done.

I met some of the folks that were working with him recently. Some of them were younger folks, in their thirties and he was like a father figure to them. They loved him as much as we did. And he was a man you couldn't say no to.

So I honestly doubt that any of us could really told him what to do. Think about a man who has succesfully created an empire at a young age, isn't going to listen to someone who says "you're wrong!", "You need to be do this", and really listen... to take their advice? No! My best hunch is that he was done. He was done living and he allowed this to happen. It pains me to say that. And I don't want that to be true, but what've heard from other people. Stories i've heard that lead me to believe that he made a concious decision to let it all go. To put it all down."

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"You know what i really want young students to know? Cause this is hard to really recognise unless someone poitns it out. When you hear the Prince records from back then, or even modern Prince records; that's a guy with no quantising, no pitch correction, no artificial manipulation; that's pure rock performance.That's how well that man played. Like everything now is massaged and manipulated and everything is... at least we have the capacity to do it weather we do it or not, we can tweak everything to make it technically perfect, We can take the reality of a performance and turn it into a cartoon for all intense purposes, Because it becomes quite arificial. No, that's reality when you hear him. That's how well he played, and usually in one take.

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Prince was human. He was an extraordinary human. But I don't like Prince to be talked about as if he were some sort of special being. No no no no, that is not as interesting. The interesting story is the true story. This was a man who worked realy realy REALY hard to accomplish something, and he did. And he deserves credit for what he accomplished. He deserves credit for being a mere mortal. This is not a magic trick. This was a guy.

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We will hear some more vault stuff. We will ! I have been involved as an original engineer at least from my era. And the great Michael Hawk, the finest record executive I personally have ever worked with, managed to get the tapes from the vault out to Burbank. He's working on this now; There will be more releases, and if you're a Prince fan and you're listening to this, I can tell you, this is meeting and exceeding my expectations for what i would've hoped for Prince's legacy. There are really good people involved with this. As conscientious as its get, and I might add, and this is the great part, one of the people they've involved in this decision making process is a Prince superfan who is a collector. He's got everything Prince. He is a superfan ! So right up the forefront of the decision making process is a FAN, who's saying "here's is what I think people would like". And then this executive it comming to me, and Peggy McGreary and David Leonard, and the engineers that would been with Prince at the time, saying "what would you think what he would've wanted? This version, or this version? What was going on during this time, what can you inform us about this." There's some realy consciencious folks in charge of the releases.

Now that said, there's mor to Prince than just these releases. There's his estate, Then there's Paisley Park, and there are other things over which we have no control. But, as far as these releases go, and the material in the vault, i'm very happy there are good people on this right now. Yeah, we're doing our best."

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Everyone has their own take on Prince's demise. Yes, he was a man of small stature, and that is why I don't believe he was a long-term user of opioids, because it would have done organ damage a long time ago, and he would have not been able to keep going for as long as he did, imo.

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We all know Prince was a strong-minded person and taking any type of medication was probably very hard for him to do. He knew he was in trouble and thought he could handle it on his own. He had enablers around him, who ultimately contributed to his early demise. People would not say NO to him, because they wanted the $$$$. Now, Prince is gone and everyone's trying to hide the truth. Their choice.

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In my opinion, Prince's death was an accident, because he died of illegal Fentanyl toxicity. He had plenty of other Rx's in his home that he could have overdosed on, and didn't need to buy illegal street drugs.

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He would not want to die in an elevator either.

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[Edited 5/17/18 12:09pm]

peggyon said:

TrickyChristopher, I know you cannot divulge too much of what you know, but I am curious...in this 2 year "back-and-forth" multi-thread discussion, have any of the org posters "come close" or actually identified the truth of the matter surrounding Prince's health?

Yes. Very close.

Oh honestly. I'm a member of the sh*t-or-get-off-the-pot club. If you have something that you think the fans/public would benefit by knowing, spit it out. Otherwise having us play games of 20 questions in order to "protect your sources" (and those sources are who, exactly? and they need "protection" because...why again?) is just silly.

TrcikyChristopher said:

peggyon said:

TrickyChristopher, I know you cannot divulge too much of what you know, but I am curious...in this 2 year "back-and-forth" multi-thread discussion, have any of the org posters "come close" or actually identified the truth of the matter surrounding Prince's health?

Yes. Very close.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

cloveringold85 said: You know lots lots of people addicted to drugs say they are in terrible pain to get drugs or to get sympathy/less judgment for their addiction. Isn't it possible that he initially did take them to ease the pain, but in the end the drug use had very little to do with pain, and much more to do with total dependency. Which would be why he did not discuss pain with Dr S, because Dr S was the inroads to rehab so maybe tell him the truth...and as usual I have no idea what happened, just a thought...

I have known several people addicted to opioids and the origional reason for use, usually physical pain, very quickly got lost in the fog of how good the pills made them feel physically and emotionally. If you want to hear mega shaggy dog tales, just listen to an addict riff on all the reasons they "need" the pills to ease their "pain." They never tell the truth, like good addicts, that they want the pills because they like the way they make them feel and, incidentally, 'my brain is craving them so bad I'd kill my mother for her stash.' Energy drinks 24/7 to stay awake? Tells his doc he's 'feeling antsy'? The narcan made him sick? The soup made him ill? Grow up, folks, he was an addict.

Fact remains there is no history of Prince getting prescribed opiates for pain ((9) years ago or thereafter. Thers is nothing to contradict that his drug use was a direct result of him being an addict sans pain from "hip" surgery. He was using simply because it felt good and altered his state of mind. Why is that so difficult for them to understand that?

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

He was like that for most of the show apart form when he was sat at the keyboard where he seemed to find some peace. His outfit was immaculate btw inc Gold Heels! He was in an angry mood & actually threw the guitar half way across the stage at the guitar tech - my god the anger in his face was truly scary especially when we were inches away! The thing that stood out was how unhealthy he looked, his face was puffy, he looked in pain. He still gave it his all though.

Is this the show when he left the stage and left the band hanging and eventually he came back out?