I have posted that I think P might have decided to hang up his gloves and call it a day so to speak at the end due to exhaustion and depression. But I don't want to give the impression that I think that the last two years (since the cryptic AOA lyrics about death came out) were all gloom and doom. I think those of us who spend a lot of time on this thread (even ignoring the other threadds) need to remember that life has its ups and downs. Here are some pictures to remind us... (p cracking up his friends Damaris and Ida at a tennis match)

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Krystalkisses said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, she was mad!!

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Then, Kirk tells her he's gonna take Prince to see his doctor, and we know how well that went.

Oh wow! Good for her though. She didn't have to mince any words...finally someone was like "Quit screwing around he needs rehab. What are you guys doing????" I'm sure the dentist wanted to protect herself too though.

i saw that, she said it as plain as it could be said, good for her. Kirk probably didn't tell that to prince though.

benni said:

LilaLiebe said:

That's good!

I saw that penguin come up and I thought, "Oh NO! Please don't let her be thinking I'm talking about penguin girl!" I think her 15 minutes of fame have come and gone!

there was also some strange woman on here who said the same thing and she had twitter posts, i looked at her fb page and she looked like a real obsessive, the kind prince wouldn't want to be bothered with. this woman was told to stop posting the twitters where prince was saying he would plan a suicide and make it look accidental, she was told that that would be easy to fake (very true) and that if she had info she should go to the police, i don't know if she was banned or not but i don't see her anymore.

PeteSilas said:

MMJas said:

He had excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists. Could not keep food down. Was doing enemas by the dozen. His body was failing him. Was addicted to painkillers. That seems debilitationg enough to me...

i figured someone would say that but i meant a real disease, cancer/aids i still think it's possible although in light of some of this stuff, seems to be a diminishing possibility. Thing with pain is, prince had been overcoming so many things for so long that a little pain wouldn't seem to be such a big deal, this is Prince not some regular joe. If football players have kicked the pills, i'm sure prince was just as mentally tough as them if not more, maybe I had too much faith in the man.

Prince could not kick the pills. His physical appearance and physical problems tell us that.

You said ilness as something that would/could make him commit suicide. I say excrutiating pain.

disch said:

Where did you get the info about excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists at the end of his life? I know this is often assumed, but all that Dr S reported him complaining about was numbness in his hands (he told judith he had hand issues), and some vomiting. At his last appointment Dr S recording Prince's top complaint was "feeling antsy."

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I'm not saying he didn't have other physical issues, but for whatever reason, he didn't discuss really them with the doctor, as far as I can tell. The issues with the doctor were mostly digestive and anxiety/agitation-related.

MMJas said:

He had excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists. Could not keep food down. Was doing enemas by the dozen. His body was failing him. Was addicted to painkillers. That seems debilitationg enough to me...

Many associates have mentioned pain throughout the years, Kirk told the Police about hip pain and pain medication for it (if I'm not mistaken), JH added to it by mentioning wrist and hand pain (Prince told her he could not play if he stopped taking the pills), Prince told someone else he could no longer play the guitar and was concentrating on the piano (which allowed him to sit more), Susan mentioned bone on bone friction, he had hip surgery (and according to the autopsy's first page there was one other scar on his leg), he was wearing orthopedic shoes and loose clothes, someone else mentioned him wearing wrist and hip braces underneath the loose clothing and wrist jewelry AND he was addicted to pain medication.

purplerabbithole said:

If Prince took fentanyl on the 15th and didn't take any fentanyl until the 21th, then the original batch of fentanyl would have had time to leave his urine and the last batch may not have made it to his urine yet (makes sense since he tested positive for opiods at Shulbarg's office but apparently did not test positive for fentanyl) . Am I getting that wrong? I don't know much about how long it stays in the liver and gastric system so perhaps you are correct that he didn't take any of his Bayer pills on the 16th, 17th, 18, and 19th and 20th. But there was so much in his liver, it makes me think he had the tolerance to consume that much in the first place. I believe he may have taken it more than once during the later half of the 20th and early hours of the 21st for so much to be his liver, blood and his stomach.I assumed that the junk in his stomach hadn't metabolized yet but the stuff in his liver and blood had. Correct me (politely please) if you know more about the science. Anyhow, none of that proves whether it was on accident or on purpose. He may have wanted to live that week but changed his mind and busted out the more dangerous stuff on the 21st.

As for the suicide question, I can't speak definitively that he killed himself but you can't speak definitively either that he did not committ suicide. His religion is also against drug usage, promiscuity etc. Prince thought the way PRince thought. He may have justified it to himself that God would forgive him. ONly he knew what he felt about suicide at the end of his life. the fact that he busted out the more potent stuff (when he had the milder stuff around) the night before his rehab (and after a doctor had already tested him) seems disconcerting to me. He went without the strong stuff for 5 days (why couldn't he make it one more night?) especially if lidocaine and percocet was lying around. Also, disconcerting is that fact that Bayer bottles had one thing and Aleve bottles had another thing. They weren't all just mixed together as much as people are saying.

laytonian said:

purplerabbithole said: You are confusing what I said and trying to justify your position. Bull. He had no fentanyl in his urine. Only Percocet/hydro. You need to learn how the body metabolizes. Fentanyl stays in the body for about four days. The only traces were in his gastric system and liver. If he was taking it all the time, it would have been in his urine. It would only take a few pills, if they were pure fentanyl, to kill a human. I REPEAT: he took the prescribed Percocet sometime during the week and just likely reached for the handy Bayer bottle. He'd been told in Moline it looked like Percocet. Suicide would be a mortal sin to him. [Edited 5/15/18 12:27pm]

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Exactly. You can't say. Which is why I wonder why the Police were so sure about "an accident" after only a couple of hours.
I too think they might have wanted to protect his reputation and since there was no hard proof one way or the other, they might have thought "accidental overdose" would do less damage, while at the same time triggering a further investigation into Fentanyl illegal usage.
Or someone could have planted the meds to make it look like an accident based on a painkiller dependency, believing it was suicide and feeling guilty for not having prevented it. It's a theory.

purplerabbithole said:

Another thing--they had no reason to believe that P was dead. Remember his hours, folks. He went to bed extremely late and sleep in to about 10. They made a few calls and probably did wait to wake him up, but for some reason since the doctor was there, they went looking for him (making instinctively thought they should get the ball rolling.) Yes, it was a health crisis but he made it for five days without dying and he was probably anxious the whole time and he had finally agreed to rehab at some point that week. I think they thought his head was in a better place (despite his anxiety) . THe withdrawal drugs were given on the 20th because that was when the appointment was scheduled with Shulbarg, I imagine.

This is shady as F...

Did Prince Know that Andrew was coming ?

Did Prince Know that Schulenberg was coming ?

This was never asked in any of the Police interviews...

If Prince didnt know both of them were coming,

Why would it have been arranged for so early in the morning knowing that Prince always slept late ?

When Kirk mentioned to Schulenberg at 8.30am That he was here waiting for Prince to wake up to give him something to take the edge off"

Why would Kirk be expecting Prince to wake up THAT early ???

If Prince did know they were coming, I WOULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION

.Ok so they called it a medical emergency...fine

but it was so well known that Prince was a night owl Why schedule them at THAT time...

The whole thing just STINKS....

and Im so bothered by it all that I vowed not top come back to this thread..yet her I am

AGAIN !

As an aside, Damaris is in Spike Lee's new movie.

PeteSilas said:

benni said:

I saw that penguin come up and I thought, "Oh NO! Please don't let her be thinking I'm talking about penguin girl!" I think her 15 minutes of fame have come and gone!

there was also some strange woman on here who said the same thing and she had twitter posts, i looked at her fb page and she looked like a real obsessive, the kind prince wouldn't want to be bothered with. this woman was told to stop posting the twitters where prince was saying he would plan a suicide and make it look accidental, she was told that that would be easy to fake (very true) and that if she had info she should go to the police, i don't know if she was banned or not but i don't see her anymore.

So he was playing with the idea?

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I agree with what you wrote about his history with pain (the only thing was the the guitar-playing -- I believe what he said was he was choosing not to play guitar to focus on piano practice for the Piano & Mic tour. He did play guitar at the Chanhassan dinner theater a month before he died).

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I definitely think he changed his physical approach in his last years (no high heels, etc. And no more splits!) to accomodate his issues.

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I guess what I don't have info on is that he spent his last months in "excrutiating pain" in all those body parts. The steps he took -- surgery, different shoes etc -- would be in ways to ameliorate pain and/or prevent worsening. Hopefully those steps were effective in doing that.

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If he were debilitated by pain in his last months, I certainly wish he had brought this to the attention of Dr S or another doctor (he had surgery, so clearly he wasn't averse to that) instead of concocting his own treatment plan with black-market pills.

MMJas said:

disch said:

Where did you get the info about excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists at the end of his life? I know this is often assumed, but all that Dr S reported him complaining about was numbness in his hands (he told judith he had hand issues), and some vomiting. At his last appointment Dr S recording Prince's top complaint was "feeling antsy."

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I'm not saying he didn't have other physical issues, but for whatever reason, he didn't discuss really them with the doctor, as far as I can tell. The issues with the doctor were mostly digestive and anxiety/agitation-related.

Many associates have mentioned pain throughout the years, Kirk told the Police about hip pain and pain medication for it (if I'm not mistaken), JH added to it by mentioning wrist and hand pain (Prince told her he could not play if he stopped taking the pills), Prince told someone else he could no longer play the guitar and was concentrating on the piano (which allowed him to sit more), Susan mentioned bone on bone friction, he had hip surgery (and according to the autopsy's first page there was one other scar on his leg), he was wearing orthopedic shoes and loose clothes, someone else mentioned him wearing wrist and hip braces underneath the loose clothing and wrist jewelry AND he was addicted to pain medication.

i don't know, we all assumed the poster was faking the twitter pics that she posted, which seemed more than likely.

Bassette said:

PeteSilas said:

there was also some strange woman on here who said the same thing and she had twitter posts, i looked at her fb page and she looked like a real obsessive, the kind prince wouldn't want to be bothered with. this woman was told to stop posting the twitters where prince was saying he would plan a suicide and make it look accidental, she was told that that would be easy to fake (very true) and that if she had info she should go to the police, i don't know if she was banned or not but i don't see her anymore.

So he was playing with the idea?

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If he was in the much pain, he should've just went to a Dr.

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe you guys are right. But consider one thing. You all state that his saying he had done all he needed to do was his belief that he was giving up the work. But then when we mention suicide, some of you counter that he was making plans so therefore suicide doesn't make sense. He was making plans but many of those plans started involving looking back. Even Lisa Coleman was unsettled by the intimacy and nostalgic nature of the piano and microphone tour. But then again, he played many new songs on that tour. Prince's emotions might have been eratic and conflicting, but giving up was something new to his vocabulary...however, he wasn't exactly relaxing. He worked til nearly the end. My belief is that suicidal notions may come and go..but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Maybe before that last week, he wanted to cram a lot in... And PRN wriitng a memoir--that was rather unusual.

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree. I think Prince's words were taken out of context and Tyka got those words from Judith--at least, that is what it sounds like to me.

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Saying "I've done all that I came to do" can mean a plethora of things -- not necessarily meaning they are checking-out of this life.

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It's like they are just trying to put the pieces together, and concluded "Yea, that's what Prince meant"??

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Writing a memoir at age 57 is not at all unusual. Sheila wrote a book. A lot of celebs write books.

benni said:

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe you guys are right. But consider one thing. You all state that his saying he had done all he needed to do was his belief that he was giving up the work. But then when we mention suicide, some of you counter that he was making plans so therefore suicide doesn't make sense. He was making plans but many of those plans started involving looking back. Even Lisa Coleman was unsettled by the intimacy and nostalgic nature of the piano and microphone tour. But then again, he played many new songs on that tour. Prince's emotions might have been eratic and conflicting, but giving up was something new to his vocabulary...however, he wasn't exactly relaxing. He worked til nearly the end. My belief is that suicidal notions may come and go..but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Maybe before that last week, he wanted to cram a lot in... And PRN wriitng a memoir--that was rather unusual.

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purplerabbithole, the one reason why I don't give any credibility to the idea of suicide is because of who Prince was. Everything else aside, Prince was a deeply spiritual and religious man. Everything he did, he was always pointing to God. God was his inspiration. His music, his gift, came from God. The pain pills, I can even understand, given that associates have described that Prince was in pain, though there were no official documentation related to the pain. I've taken pain pills for chronic pain, and I've seen how easy it would be to get addicted to them. When you are used to hurting all the time, having those moments of no pain, being able to move without pain, it's a ... it's a relief. But no one, no one, will ever convince me that Prince committed suicide, knowing how deeply spiritual and religious he was. Suicide goes against everything that man believed in. Everything.

As far as looking back, it happens when we get older, when we feel we've done everything we've set out to accomplish. We look back at our lives to try to figure out, "was it all worth it? did I miss something in my pursuit to achieve what I've accomplished?" And he may even have been thinking about the ending...."When I finally die, can I face God and say, "I've lived a good life"?"

I know there are those that want to believe Prince was so miserable in his life, all of the pain, the heartache, the fear of not ever performing again, whatever reasons they may put to it, the loss of Denise, whatever it might be, that it would cause Prince to kill himself.

But when you have lived the life Prince did in the beginning, it makes you stronger. It makes you face life head on and on your own terms. You don't run from that life for anything. And Prince was not someone that had ever ran from life.

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Yes!

yeah while it was unusual for him, there's actually been quite a trend in the last several years of rock stars writing memoirs, often to great acclaim (bob dylan, keith richards, springsteen, patti smith etc etc).

cloveringold85 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe you guys are right. But consider one thing. You all state that his saying he had done all he needed to do was his belief that he was giving up the work. But then when we mention suicide, some of you counter that he was making plans so therefore suicide doesn't make sense. He was making plans but many of those plans started involving looking back. Even Lisa Coleman was unsettled by the intimacy and nostalgic nature of the piano and microphone tour. But then again, he played many new songs on that tour. Prince's emotions might have been eratic and conflicting, but giving up was something new to his vocabulary...however, he wasn't exactly relaxing. He worked til nearly the end. My belief is that suicidal notions may come and go..but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Maybe before that last week, he wanted to cram a lot in... And PRN wriitng a memoir--that was rather unusual.

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Writing a memoir at age 57 is not at all unusual. Sheila wrote a book. A lot of celebs write books.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't know the total context of the trademark. From what I gather she had been using the phrase to get money for charitable projects because the trademark had lapsed--whether she was aware at the time that Mayte was still on the board is unknown.. The thread on here about the trademark never really came to a clear conclusion. From what I hear the start-up money from PRince for IAPW isn't being used or even spent on stuff for Manuela, but the interest is being used towards partnerships with other non-profits. Maybe she is trying to make sure the money doesn't go too quickly to one charity and can be used and spread out over the long run.

As for the exploitation of PRince's death...it happens to all of these uber famous folks. The demands for interviews, the offers to publish etc..come rollingin. . Sometimes, I think his associates are a bunch of self-serving pricks, sometimes I see where they are coming from. Its like they were mourning the loss or trying to figure out how to react and then someone says "Why don't you write a book or do a tribute concert-tour etc. And then the loss is made easier when the money starts rolling in. Then they start self-justifying by saying that Prince would want them to honor his charities or his musicial support through such and such thing. These people are still working musicians. If they spent all their time honoring Prince for free, they would be broke. But if they don't honor him, then they come off callous and ungrateful. As for selling his stuff, his old costumes are fine. His childhood pictures seem like they should be off-limits. If your grandfather dies and you sell his old suits in a garage sale, it doesn't mean you don't love him. If you sell his pictures, that is kind of cold. . Self-serving tell-alls. that's is kind of low (if they are indeed just about self aggrandizement at the expense of Prince's privacy, but then again, maybe that is not how the writer/prince associate sees it or what they tell themselves.

PennyPurple said:

Yeah, that pisses me off too. And let's add to it a bit more....apply for a trademark days if not hours after he died, let's plan some reunion tours and make $$ off Prince while we're at it, and hey why not write a book.

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Yes, that is true; however, I will never understand why Prince's family invited people into PP that Prince didn't want there.

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I understand that some of Prince's associates want to continue honoring him, and doing their tributes, etc., etc., but at what point do you say "enough"? The fact of the matter is that Prince will always be their cash cow.

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Some of Prince's past associates act as though they are entitled to a piece of the Purple pie; like, they feel Prince owe's them something. He does not.

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At some point, they all need to move on with their lives and let Prince's legacy and his music speak for itself.

80tomato said:

benni said:

I know. Personally, since more has come out about his passing, from what we knew in the very beginning, I'm not sure what to think. I honestly think Prince was probably being his usual cryptic self, those comments of "Having done everything he came to do" and after he passed, they interpreted as he was warning them.

I honestly take that comment alone as him not feeling compelled to keep putting out music, "I've done all I've come to do", meaning that he's put out the music he wanted to put out and he was starting to sleep without waking up and rushing off to record, it just mean he was finally just being himself without the music as the biggest drive in his life.

the part about sleeping better ...I wonder if the meds were putting him in a deep sleep ... he seemed to think he would have just woken up by himself sfter taking the tablets on the plane

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I thought that was strange too; he was like "I was sleeping" but no; he was actually overdosing!

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There are so many treatments available today for pain management and I'm unsure why Prince did not seek them out?

MMJas said:

disch said:

Where did you get the info about excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists at the end of his life? I know this is often assumed, but all that Dr S reported him complaining about was numbness in his hands (he told judith he had hand issues), and some vomiting. At his last appointment Dr S recording Prince's top complaint was "feeling antsy."

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I'm not saying he didn't have other physical issues, but for whatever reason, he didn't discuss really them with the doctor, as far as I can tell. The issues with the doctor were mostly digestive and anxiety/agitation-related.

Many associates have mentioned pain throughout the years, Kirk told the Police about hip pain and pain medication for it (if I'm not mistaken), JH added to it by mentioning wrist and hand pain (Prince told her he could not play if he stopped taking the pills), Prince told someone else he could no longer play the guitar and was concentrating on the piano (which allowed him to sit more), Susan mentioned bone on bone friction, he had hip surgery (and according to the autopsy's first page there was one other scar on his leg), he was wearing orthopedic shoes and loose clothes, someone else mentioned him wearing wrist and hip braces underneath the loose clothing and wrist jewelry AND he was addicted to pain medication.

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Yes, but a lot of musicians play the guitar, sitting down. Remember Prince did that Unplugged session--I think that was just before or around the time of his hip surgery.

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Why would he buy a new piano and guitar?

MMJas said:

purplerabbithole said:

If Prince took fentanyl on the 15th and didn't take any fentanyl until the 21th, then the original batch of fentanyl would have had time to leave his urine and the last batch may not have made it to his urine yet (makes sense since he tested positive for opiods at Shulbarg's office but apparently did not test positive for fentanyl) . Am I getting that wrong? I don't know much about how long it stays in the liver and gastric system so perhaps you are correct that he didn't take any of his Bayer pills on the 16th, 17th, 18, and 19th and 20th. But there was so much in his liver, it makes me think he had the tolerance to consume that much in the first place. I believe he may have taken it more than once during the later half of the 20th and early hours of the 21st for so much to be his liver, blood and his stomach.I assumed that the junk in his stomach hadn't metabolized yet but the stuff in his liver and blood had. Correct me (politely please) if you know more about the science. Anyhow, none of that proves whether it was on accident or on purpose. He may have wanted to live that week but changed his mind and busted out the more dangerous stuff on the 21st.

As for the suicide question, I can't speak definitively that he killed himself but you can't speak definitively either that he did not committ suicide. His religion is also against drug usage, promiscuity etc. Prince thought the way PRince thought. He may have justified it to himself that God would forgive him. ONly he knew what he felt about suicide at the end of his life. the fact that he busted out the more potent stuff (when he had the milder stuff around) the night before his rehab (and after a doctor had already tested him) seems disconcerting to me. He went without the strong stuff for 5 days (why couldn't he make it one more night?) especially if lidocaine and percocet was lying around. Also, disconcerting is that fact that Bayer bottles had one thing and Aleve bottles had another thing. They weren't all just mixed together as much as people are saying.

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Exactly. You can't say. Which is why I wonder why the Police were so sure about "an accident" after only a couple of hours.
I too think they might have wanted to protect his reputation and since there was no hard proof one way or the other, they might have thought "accidental overdose" would do less damage, while at the same time triggering a further investigation into Fentanyl illegal usage.
Or someone could have planted the meds to make it look like an accident based on a painkiller dependency, believing it was suicide and feeling guilty for not having prevented it. It's a theory.

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What's even more strange is the fact that they cremated his body so quickly, and while an investigation was going on--very unusual.

Lovejunky said:

purplerabbithole said:

Another thing--they had no reason to believe that P was dead. Remember his hours, folks. He went to bed extremely late and sleep in to about 10. They made a few calls and probably did wait to wake him up, but for some reason since the doctor was there, they went looking for him (making instinctively thought they should get the ball rolling.) Yes, it was a health crisis but he made it for five days without dying and he was probably anxious the whole time and he had finally agreed to rehab at some point that week. I think they thought his head was in a better place (despite his anxiety) . THe withdrawal drugs were given on the 20th because that was when the appointment was scheduled with Shulbarg, I imagine.

This is shady as F...

Did Prince Know that Andrew was coming ?

Did Prince Know that Schulenberg was coming ?

This was never asked in any of the Police interviews...

If Prince didnt know both of them were coming,

Why would it have been arranged for so early in the morning knowing that Prince always slept late ?

When Kirk mentioned to Schulenberg at 8.30am That he was here waiting for Prince to wake up to give him something to take the edge off"

Why would Kirk be expecting Prince to wake up THAT early ???

If Prince did know they were coming, I WOULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION

.Ok so they called it a medical emergency...fine

but it was so well known that Prince was a night owl Why schedule them at THAT time...

The whole thing just STINKS....

and Im so bothered by it all that I vowed not top come back to this thread..yet her I am

AGAIN !

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Lovejunky: I know how you feel -- it's agonizing!!

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Keep in mind, Andrew, Kirk & Meron all went for breakfast, and chit-chatting, while Prince was having a medical emergency.

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Something is askew here.

PeteSilas said:

i don't know, we all assumed the poster was faking the twitter pics that she posted, which seemed more than likely.

Bassette said:

So he was playing with the idea?

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It's probably all bullshit.

disch said:

yeah while it was unusual for him, there's actually been quite a trend in the last several years of rock stars writing memoirs, often to great acclaim (bob dylan, keith richards, springsteen, patti smith etc etc).

cloveringold85 said:

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Writing a memoir at age 57 is not at all unusual. Sheila wrote a book. A lot of celebs write books.

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Prince was always WAY too busy to write a book. He was too busy writing music! I think he probably felt it was the right time in his life to finally write his memoirs, after a fulfulling life and music career. He was in his late 50s, and that's a time in most people's lives when they start reflecting. The man really had nothing more to prove to anyone or the world. He was the greatest artist of our time.

Purplerabbit: Thank you for posting those sweet pictures of Prince's smile. I would have loved to be sitting there and hearing what they were all laughing about.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

I agree with what you wrote about his history with pain (the only thing was the the guitar-playing -- I believe what he said was he was choosing not to play guitar to focus on piano practice for the Piano & Mic tour. He did play guitar at the Chanhassan dinner theater a month before he died).

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I definitely think he changed his physical approach in his last years (no high heels, etc. And no more splits!) to accomodate his issues.

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I guess what I don't have info on is that he spent his last months in "excrutiating pain" in all those body parts. The steps he took -- surgery, different shoes etc -- would be in ways to ameliorate pain and/or prevent worsening. Hopefully those steps were effective in doing that.

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If he were debilitated by pain in his last months, I certainly wish he had brought this to the attention of Dr S or another doctor (he had surgery, so clearly he wasn't averse to that) instead of concocting his own treatment plan with black-market pills.

MMJas said:

Many associates have mentioned pain throughout the years, Kirk told the Police about hip pain and pain medication for it (if I'm not mistaken), JH added to it by mentioning wrist and hand pain (Prince told her he could not play if he stopped taking the pills), Prince told someone else he could no longer play the guitar and was concentrating on the piano (which allowed him to sit more), Susan mentioned bone on bone friction, he had hip surgery (and according to the autopsy's first page there was one other scar on his leg), he was wearing orthopedic shoes and loose clothes, someone else mentioned him wearing wrist and hip braces underneath the loose clothing and wrist jewelry AND he was addicted to pain medication.

I hear what you're saying. However, the fact the he was taking high dosages shows that he was becoming tolerant and feeling the pain still, right?

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I thought that was strange too; he was like "I was sleeping" but no; he was actually overdosing!

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There are so many treatments available today for pain management and I'm unsure why Prince did not seek them out?

Prince was seeing a chiropractor in 2010 and 2016 so he was seeing help for pain management

Which means he was in pain, right? And he was used to blacking out whilst taking pain medication. Isn't that of real concern? It probably means the pain was heavy and he had to black out to stop feeling it. It's not like you take a painkiller for a headache and then continue working or doing whatever you were doing. He regarded it as normal to black out. I would be really scared of suffocating in vomit, for instance....

disch said:

MMJas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said: Prince was seeing a chiropractor in 2010 and 2016 so he was seeing help for pain management

Which means he was in pain, right? And he was used to blacking out whilst taking pain medication. Isn't that of real concern? It probably means the pain was heavy and he had to black out to stop feeling it. It's not like you take a painkiller for a headache and then continue working or doing whatever you were doing. He regarded it as normal to black out. I would be really scared of suffocating in vomit, for instance....

Yes , and he seemed to ENJOY and look forward to this deep sleep and he talked of seeing people who had passed while asleep .

MMJas said:

80tomato said:

MMJas said:

Which means he was in pain, right? And he was used to blacking out whilst taking pain medication. Isn't that of real concern? It probably means the pain was heavy and he had to black out to stop feeling it. It's not like you take a painkiller for a headache and then continue working or doing whatever you were doing. He regarded it as normal to black out. I would be really scared of suffocating in vomit, for instance....

Yes , and he seemed to ENJOY and look forward to this deep sleep and he talked of seeing people who had passed while asleep .

Does anyone else here see the bright line between Prince using drugs to render himself unconscious and MJ's use of propofol to render himself unconscious every night SO HE COULD SLEEP????? No wonder Prince didn't want to comment on MJ's death, saying he was "too close" to the situation. Geeez...this was not a trail of breadcrumbs...this was a trail of bread trucks...