ChocolateBox3121 said:

[ snip - luv4u]

That's some uncalled for right there.

renfield said:

IstenSzek said:

no it's 2 words, isten and szek. it's from bram stoker's dracula.

Lol My name is from Dracula too (obviously!)

Not you...because I don't know you, but Renfeld, the Dracula character is a really wacked out character but with a conscience.

I just read the Wikipedia! Do you and IstenSzek know each other, with your Dracula references?

williamb610 said:

renfield said:

Lol My name is from Dracula too (obviously!)

Not you...because I don't know you, but Renfeld, the Dracula character is a really wacked out character but with a conscience.

I just read the Wikipedia! Do you and IstenSzek know each other, with your Dracula references?

i don't think we do. but you never know with org usernames. anyone could be behind them

Dandroppedadime said:

The greatest unreleased albums box set: the rebels, roadhouse garden, dream factory, Camille, rave into the joy fantastic, the dawn, last December, Madrid 2 chicago. I’d buy that for 100 green backs!

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Now we're getting somewhere.

Could they keep that pace?

udo said:

Dandroppedadime said:

The greatest unreleased albums box set: the rebels, roadhouse garden, dream factory, Camille, rave into the joy fantastic, the dawn, last December, Madrid 2 chicago. I’d buy that for 100 green backs!

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Now we're getting somewhere.

Could they keep that pace?

How about also the original CAMILLE ALBUM re-mastered in the original sequence w/ artwork???

soladeo1 said:

udo said:

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Now we're getting somewhere.

Could they keep that pace?

How about also the original CAMILLE ALBUM re-mastered in the original sequence w/ artwork???

maybe as part of a box set? but otherwise, it is a waste... only one song... even Dream Factory only has what songs and 2 are short interludes... not really worthy of a proper release.

AhPook said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

And just because something has been heavily leaked shouldn't mean the law-abiding public wont ever get the chance to hear it.

That's not the point I was making.

Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?

The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public.

FragileUndertow said:

Militant said:

Exactly this.

This is why it's so important for them to engage with us. They aren't going to know what's leaked heavily and been around for years and what hasn't.


Just getting the opinions of people who were around isn't enough - remember that Susan Rogers hated "Adonis & Bathsheba" for example.

I vote for Militant!

Ahhhhh, thank you! I appreciate that.

Militant said:

Looking forward to this.

Militant said:

Moonbeam said:

Militant said:

That's not the point I was making.

Consider this : Would fans have been more excited about "Prince 4Ever" if the unreleased song on it, was a completely unheard 1983 song, as opposed to "Moonbeam Levels"?

The answer is yes. And the mood/hype of the fanbase around a release feeds into the wider public.

You can't make sweeping statements like that. I was absolutely thrilled that "Moonbeam Levels" was chosen as the first track to be released from the vault. There is no song, circulating or not, that I would have rather have been included. I want all of the songs that have been circulated to get official releases. It's not anyone's fault but our own that we may have heard these songs before, and they are worthy of official release.

Considering the topic of the song and that fact that Prince said in the NPGMC days in a intervieuw there that Moonbeam Levels was his favorit outtake, I think it was the perfect song for that release.

[Edited 5/14/18 2:51am]

JorisE73 said:

Moonbeam said:

Militant said: You can't make sweeping statements like that. I was absolutely thrilled that "Moonbeam Levels" was chosen as the first track to be released from the vault. There is no song, circulating or not, that I would have rather have been included. I want all of the songs that have been circulated to get official releases. It's not anyone's fault but our own that we may have heard these songs before, and they are worthy of official release.

Considering the topic of the song and that fact that Prince said in the NPGMC days in a intervieuw there that Moonbeam Levels was his favorit outtake, I think it was the perfect song for that release.

[Edited 5/14/18 2:51am]

Yes, 4Ever was a greatest hits compilation. "Moonbeam Levels" has as good of a right as any outtake to be considered his greatest unreleased hit.

Again, not the point I was making.

If you look back at the threads at the time, the reaction was pretty middling, because it's an outtake we've all had for 20+ years.

Compare that to the Prince vocal version of "NC2U", or the Vault disc of PR Deluxe, and the reaction is night and day.

The fan reaction to an unheard song is better than the fan reaction to a heard song. That's just obvious.

The better solution would have been to have one unreleased song per disc, with the other one being something completely unknown to us.

Instead, the mediocre sales of 4Ever speak for themself. Business wise, it was a poor move for that to be the only unreleased song on there. Even more so when it became clear that the quality was virtually identical to the circulating bootleg.

To put it another way, look at the insane amount of hype there was over "Wally" before it was widely leaked, and then imagine the reaction here if it had been announced that that was what was being included on 4Ever.

Moonbeam said:

Maybe I am being pedantic, but it's an oversimplification to suggest that fans would have been more excited one way or another. My own excitement level was in opposition to your point. I would have chosen "Moonbeam Levels" ahead of any song to be on 4Ever, even ahead of a song I hadn't heard before. I want all of the goodies we have loved for years to get official releases, even if it means we don't get some uncorculating songs as quickly. A song like "Neon Telephone", for example, absolutely deserves to see the light of day and I will jump for joy if and when it finally does. I appreciate what you do for the Prince fan community. Given that you have had conversations with people involved with the estate and may do so in the future (and I absolutely hope you do!), I want to make my point known, because it isn't as simple as saying "the fans want X, Y, or Z". The poll that was run here after Sharon's Q and A with the org in which she asked for fan suggestions showed that fans on this site have differing views on what they would like to be done. My opinion on these matters may be a minority one, and I can accept that in the event that there is some sort of fan engagement by the estate in which we register our opinions of what projects/songs we want, my wishes may not be granted in some cases. However, I don't want those involved with the estate to get the impression that no fans were happy with the inclusion of "Moonbeam Levels" on 4Ever or "The Dance Electric" on PR Deluxe, etc., because I certainly was. I'll drop the subject at this point because I don't want to further derail this thread, but you are in a position (rightly so) to potentially serve as a fan representative of sorts, and I think the distinction in the wording of these things relating to fan response is important.

I gotta throw my support behind Moonbeam, here. I think there's a great portion of fans (myself certainly included) who've been patiently waiting to buy the stuff that you guys have been enjoying for years. I'm not anti-boot, but instead of scouring record fairs and the net I just always hoped the day would come when I could buy this stuff in a nice package in perfect sound. Now that that day has come, yeah... I wanna do that.

So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?

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Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative.

BartVanHemelen said:

So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?

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Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative.

...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!

love2thenines2003 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

So between the rumors and the announcements so far, this year we might get one or more of these:
- 1999 Remastered/Expanded.
- Parade Remastered/Expanded.
- A yet to be detailed album of previously unreleased music, most likely from the WBR era (and even more likely from Prince's 1980s heyday), in September.
- A "Piano & Microphone" album. A recording from Prince's final tour? Or (unlikely but not impossible) a recording from the 1980s with just Prince and a piano, somewhat like some already circulating among fans? Which might arrive in June?

.

Doesn't look like there's much planning going on, and that ideas get abandoned when they encounter another that seems more lucrative.

...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!

if they are now all of a sudden only releasing a P&M show and NOT an album of 80s material,
they are major assholes.

because however vague the original statements about what was coming on september 28, it
in no way seemed like it would be a P&M show from 2016, to anyone, anywhere.

to me it seems unlikely that they would have changed that plan a mere 2 weeks after they'd
sort of announced it.

the only cool thing would be a PLUS/PLUS situation where the september 28 release is still on
the schedule for release and the P&M show + bonus material will be a surprise release that
they announce on the 1st of june and release on the 7th or close to it.

anything less at this point will be the second time they tell us they will release an album of
80s material (remember there would be TWO albums of unreleased tracks with the PR delux,
until, oops, there was only 1 and no one ever mentioned the other one anymore) and that
will be the let down of the decade.

love2thenines2003 said:

...it seems that unfortunately ESTATE/WBR have changed their plan....big rumours 2BC = only a 2016 live performance + Bonus from the same time ...So???....1st of June all the things will B known by all !!

Source?

IstenSzek said:

I'd suspect Do Yourself A Favor is on it as is The Grand Progression. Maybe Cosmic Day. Hoping.

MIRvmn said:

IstenSzek said:

if they are now all of a sudden only releasing a P&M show and NOT an album of 80s material,
they are major assholes.

because however vague the original statements about what was coming on september 28, it
in no way seemed like it would be a P&M show from 2016, to anyone, anywhere.

to me it seems unlikely that they would have changed that plan a mere 2 weeks after they'd
sort of announced it.

the only cool thing would be a PLUS/PLUS situation where the september 28 release is still on
the schedule for release and the P&M show + bonus material will be a surprise release that
they announce on the 1st of june and release on the 7th or close to it.

anything less at this point will be the second time they tell us they will release an album of
80s material (remember there would be TWO albums of unreleased tracks with the PR delux,
until, oops, there was only 1 and no one ever mentioned the other one anymore) and that
will be the let down of the decade.

Yes if they change their mind one more time and we won't get that album with unreleased material then I won't trust them ever again and might not pay for future releases until they learn to keep their promises. I'm already disappointed with the cancelled 1999 deluxe. Anyway I do think we will get 2 albums this year with P&M and the promised album, just a feeling I have [Edited 5/15/18 6:23am]

I imagine a deluxe verison of 1999 (and some other albums from his classic period) will come eventually. It's my favorite album of all time so I want it badly as well, but I'd almost rather wait on it while things get sorted if it means the final product will be better.

eyewishuheaven said:

Moonbeam said:

Maybe I am being pedantic, but it's an oversimplification to suggest that fans would have been more excited one way or another. My own excitement level was in opposition to your point. I would have chosen "Moonbeam Levels" ahead of any song to be on 4Ever, even ahead of a song I hadn't heard before. I want all of the goodies we have loved for years to get official releases, even if it means we don't get some uncorculating songs as quickly. A song like "Neon Telephone", for example, absolutely deserves to see the light of day and I will jump for joy if and when it finally does. I appreciate what you do for the Prince fan community. Given that you have had conversations with people involved with the estate and may do so in the future (and I absolutely hope you do!), I want to make my point known, because it isn't as simple as saying "the fans want X, Y, or Z". The poll that was run here after Sharon's Q and A with the org in which she asked for fan suggestions showed that fans on this site have differing views on what they would like to be done. My opinion on these matters may be a minority one, and I can accept that in the event that there is some sort of fan engagement by the estate in which we register our opinions of what projects/songs we want, my wishes may not be granted in some cases. However, I don't want those involved with the estate to get the impression that no fans were happy with the inclusion of "Moonbeam Levels" on 4Ever or "The Dance Electric" on PR Deluxe, etc., because I certainly was. I'll drop the subject at this point because I don't want to further derail this thread, but you are in a position (rightly so) to potentially serve as a fan representative of sorts, and I think the distinction in the wording of these things relating to fan response is important.

I gotta throw my support behind Moonbeam, here. I think there's a great portion of fans (myself certainly included) who've been patiently waiting to buy the stuff that you guys have been enjoying for years. I'm not anti-boot, but instead of scouring record fairs and the net I just always hoped the day would come when I could buy this stuff in a nice package in perfect sound. Now that that day has come, yeah... I wanna do that.

Hear hear. I get awfully worried that the Estate may listen to this view that a track is not worthy of release because we've heard it already. Simply put, we shouldn't have heard it already. What we've heard is just that, an unreleased track we've hunted down knowing full well we kind of shouldn't have. This would be like the Guns n' Roses fans crying over the upcoming reissue because some of that material's been bootlegged. Like most of you, I'd heard Moonbeam Levels years ago but I was still chuffed to see it make an official release for the reasons mentioned above. I don't collect bootlegs, I collect official items. I can only hope the Estate knows we just want quality tracks, whether they've been heard or not!

I'd certainly welcome a version of Moonbeam Levels that's a mixdown master (I assume this or a multitrack of the track has been located within the vault).

Wally would have been a poor choice for Prince 4Ever. Considering how it was built up to be this amazing composition by certain people, I'm sure I'm not the only one who was somewhat disappointed by hearing it eventually.