OnlyNDaUsa said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

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Well, the PR thing was not the set they announced it to be and was not the set that it should be.

So from that I do not see them going to bigger sets quickly.

And that drove me to my remakrs about us not hearing the majority of the vault in our lifetimes.

So yes, i not like the slow pace of things.

Now that we have photo's of the vault (yes!) we know what's to be researched by them.

That may take time.

But still they are old fashioned/stupid/ignorant/etc enough not to even give us a strategy around these releases.

djThunderfunk said:

You could freeze yourself like Cartman did...

I TOTALLY wanna do this!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

They are still sorting it all out... they need to go through it and find out what is there and where it all goes and what is the compete or complete enough.

it is like I have said: for many acts they may from time to tome find some long lost song... for Prince they will find tapes of long lost "albums." Someone 50 years from now will find some tape in their grandmother's thins of unheard and long-lost prince songs...

Probably wont have to wait that long. Im sure the material will pop up on a Blast from the Past in a month or 2.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

sulls said:

One of my grail trax. I fear, in the environment we are in now, the original unedited version will never be officially released.

I do not see any reason not to release it as is. And I have been in debates over this for decades.

I wish I shared your optimism...

IstenSzek said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

It'd be the opposite. If it doesn't sell it's proof to the corporate suits that the only "value" in Prince's catalog is in the hits. Instead of us getting Jimi Hendrix style releases until the end of eternity, they'll just stick to releasing reissues of the WB albums with bonus content and the rest will rot.

I'm sure the releases will come quicker or some version of Dagger Records will be created once the estate figures out who they're going to pair up with. But people have to stop thinking that they're going to say "fuck it" and dump large portions of the vault onto the market at one time.

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DarkKnight1 said:

Probably wont have to wait that long. Im sure the material will pop up on a Blast from the Past in a month or 2.

it seems the release from WB will encourage the leggers to release material at the same time

when Prince said people were instructed that stuff would be released after his death ..WHO was he refering to?

luvsexy4all said:

when Prince said people were instructed that stuff would be released after his death ..WHO was he refering to?

Who knows? First, he might have just been talking inaccurately--maybe he really meant that by the time he died he'd have something in place with someone who had a plan for release (and then died before he expected to die). Or maybe he really had talked about it with someone, and laid out some ideas... BUT it doesn't matter, because he didn't take the legal steps to put that someone (whoever it was) in a position to do anything at all. I'm guessing there very well may have been some vague conversations over the years with different people--whoever was closest at the time, probably (Londell probably was part of a conversation or two back when he was in the circle, for example). Kirk seems like a reasonable possibiility. It almost certainly wasn't anyone in the family. It probably wasn't anyone at Warner.

The fact that no one's shown up saying they were that person, though, suggests to me that he didn't actually give any instructions to anyone in any real way. Otherwise the person he'd entrusted with his plan would either be working with the estate to accomplish Prince's directives or that person would be complaining that the estate wasn't doing what Prince wanted. I haven't heard of anyone doing either of those things, so I assume no one was actually given that responsibility by Prince himself.

love2thenines2003 said:

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

Have you got a link for this interview?

EddieC said:

luvsexy4all said:

when Prince said people were instructed that stuff would be released after his death ..WHO was he refering to?

Who knows? First, he might have just been talking inaccurately--maybe he really meant that by the time he died he'd have something in place with someone who had a plan for release (and then died before he expected to die). Or maybe he really had talked about it with someone, and laid out some ideas... BUT it doesn't matter, because he didn't take the legal steps to put that someone (whoever it was) in a position to do anything at all. I'm guessing there very well may have been some vague conversations over the years with different people--whoever was closest at the time, probably (Londell probably was part of a conversation or two back when he was in the circle, for example). Kirk seems like a reasonable possibiility. It almost certainly wasn't anyone in the family. It probably wasn't anyone at Warner.

The fact that no one's shown up saying they were that person, though, suggests to me that he didn't actually give any instructions to anyone in any real way. Otherwise the person he'd entrusted with his plan would either be working with the estate to accomplish Prince's directives or that person would be complaining that the estate wasn't doing what Prince wanted. I haven't heard of anyone doing either of those things, so I assume no one was actually given that responsibility by Prince himself.

I imagine if Prince told anybody about plans for the vault, it was incredibly vague and non-specific (and thus entirely unhelpful right now).

He also always stressed that he doesn't look back on his old music in the vault, and he never really seemed to consider his own mortality, so the idea of him saying to anyone "Yeah, put out an album with XYZ tracklisting after I die" seems virtually impossible.

jjam said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

What intrigues me is where will the commercial cut off point be? If a CD is released & it bombs realistically where would a large corp' like WB / spotify etc go with it? P , like MANY other struggled to shift units when he was alive with Live gigs being the main source of immediate project related income.

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

They'll milk the 80s special editions, probably claiming to find "new" tracks in the Vault to add. I fully expect a 35th anniversary Purple Rain next year!

On top of that, they'll release music on/around the anniversary of his death (like they just did with NC2U).

OnlyNDaUsa said:

They are still sorting it all out... they need to go through it and find out what is there and where it all goes and what is the compete or complete enough.

.

after a bit of time:
Ooohh! There's sooo much! We don't know where to start...!!

.

That is why you need to have a strategy in place before this moment.

love2thenines2003 said:

jjam said:

Have you got a link for this interview?

Hope u can understand french...MATHIEU is french! http://www.schkopi.com/in...eu-bitton/

My French is not so bad - thanks for the link!

love2thenines2003 said:

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

Why?

jjam said:

love2thenines2003 said:

MATHIEU BITTON who has worked for WB and the Estate for the PR deluxe project has confirmed in a interview that much more unreleased material was due for release but has been canceled in the last minute...he said too that the material discarded was much more interresting that the ones released...confirmation too that the 1st av 83 was ready to be released with PR deluxe...maybe this year we will see a part of this material officialy available?

Have you got a link for this interview?

Yes, what interview are you referring to? I'd like to know as well.

Tangerine17 said:

jjam said:

Have you got a link for this interview?

Yes, what interview are you referring to? I'd like to know as well.

The video interview with schkopi.com (link above in love2thenines2003's reply).

I don't speak French, but could you please verify what love2thenines2003 wrote, Mathieu? TIA!


EG

What music is played in the background during this interview with Mathieu? I recognise tracks , repetition, str relationship but not these versions

They should release that bootlegged song about Billy Sparks sunglasses. I love that one and was disappointed that it wasn't included on the Purple Rain Deluxe.

[Edited 5/1/18 18:37pm]

jjam said:

love2thenines2003 said:

jjam said: Hope u can understand french...MATHIEU is french! http://www.schkopi.com/in...eu-bitton/

My French is not so bad - thanks for the link!

I wish I could say the same.

Moonbeam said:

The date on that interview is from November last year. Is the general point that more interesting material was shelved a reference to PR Deluxe or tre upcoming September release? I don't speak French very well so I'm hopeless at understanding the interview, but I think this is an important distinction to make.

He said in this interview that he's worked on PR deluxe...he was only a consultant and hadn't the final decision...he proposed the idea of a Box set with more unreleased material ...the 1st av 83 should have been included...he submitted the idea to keep out Velvet Kitty cat because the quality of the song ..very poor indeed....other trax (there is enough good material for this) were discarded unfortunately by WB 4 reasons unknown but he couldn't say more because right of reservation but he is very confident that a lot of this material discarded 1st (Audio/Video) will see the light of day in the future (he said that back in the day in November 2017)...so we will C !

love2thenines2003 said:

Moonbeam said:

The date on that interview is from November last year. Is the general point that more interesting material was shelved a reference to PR Deluxe or tre upcoming September release? I don't speak French very well so I'm hopeless at understanding the interview, but I think this is an important distinction to make.

He said in this interview that he's worked on PR deluxe...he was only a consultant and hadn't the final decision...he proposed the idea of a Box set with more unreleased material ...the 1st av 83 should have been included...he submitted the idea to keep out Velvet Kitty cat because the quality of the song ..very poor indeed....other trax (there is enough good material for this) were discarded unfortunately by WB 4 reasons unknown but he couldn't say more because right of reservation but he is very confident that a lot of this material discarded 1st (Audio/Video) will see the light of day in the future (he said that back in the day in November 2017)...so we will C !

well warners did mention 2 albums of unreleased material before the release
so we were already wondering what happened to that other album. nice to
see someone sort of confirm that there were indeed more tracks there at one
stage. and i agree about VKK. it's a nice little track but it sounds VERY out of
place among those other tracks.

IstenSzek said:

i don't really get why the wording has to be so excruciatingly difficult to gauge

it seems like it always was and always will be the case with prince releases

never do we get a straight up announcement or press release. we always have to
pick apart at the fabric of the general and vague statements to deduce what *may*
be released.

remember the PR deluxe announcement? 2 albums worth of unreleased material
etc.



how difficult is it to say 'an album', 'a group of studio tracks' or 'a live show' ? no, it
has to be 'a piece'. when have you ever heard a record label say that about a new
album, *without* mentioning the actual word album or lp?

Honestly, thàt's partly is the reason why you're here, why we are all here.

We all exactly would like a straight clear annoucement of a release with some explanation.

But it won't ever happen. And 'if' it should happen... no, it never will.

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Those tradmark vague shitty announcements, secrecy and 'teasing' was for nearly 40 years Prince's decision. It never ever was any diferent. Oh yes it was once i remember, the announcement of ATWIAD, as an album that is.

We HAD to learn to live with it. Although it remains tough, it's that purple mistique that doesn't mean shit. But, it might deliver us at least 'something'. Thàt is certain. (And yet not always)

You know what i mean ?

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But. Instead, we had tons of bootlegs, countless withdrawn projects, unreleased albums, tons and tons of live performances, live shows, aftershows, several movies and DVDboot live performances, internet websites, tons of videos, name it. Unlike any other artist out there, ever !

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I think I wouldn't want to change a thing, and the estate or whomever it is in charge these days, actually clearly isn't capable to do the same. Or, they do it on purpose. Just to keep the buzz going.

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Although at my age as a Prince fan, the buzz doesn't buzz all that much anymore.

One get's used to it. Although there will always be a little somthing jumping in my heart everytime there is some sort of album announcemnt news.

Don't U ?

Se7en said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I have the same thought... it is not like there are 20 Purple Rains in there. I think what will happen in the next 10 years is large sets... like a box of 10 concerts. Or 5 CD set of all sorts of things. This idea of an album a year for 100 years... is not going to work.

They'll milk the 80s special editions, probably claiming to find "new" tracks in the Vault to add. I fully expect a 35th anniversary Purple Rain next year!

On top of that, they'll release music on/around the anniversary of his death (like they just did with NC2U).

I'd prefer they release stuff on his birthday.

alandail said:

Se7en said:

They'll milk the 80s special editions, probably claiming to find "new" tracks in the Vault to add. I fully expect a 35th anniversary Purple Rain next year!

On top of that, they'll release music on/around the anniversary of his death (like they just did with NC2U).

I'd prefer they release stuff on his birthday.

I'd prefer they release something every month. I doubt I have another 40 years left in me for the usual annual release schedule. And considering there is probably more unreleased music than he officially released, 40 years is being very conservative.

With a release date in September surely they should be giving us a concrete announcement soon for the sake of pre-orders.