PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Genesia said:

MattyJam said:

Yes, it has changed my view on how I perceive his life. I used to think Prince had everything, talent, money, charisma, fame, success... but knowing how it all ended for him, I wouldn't trade places with him in a million years.

By all accounts, he seemed very unhappy and unfulfilled towards the end of his life and personal happiness and contentment is all I aspire to achieve out of life, so that envious part of me that used to think Prince had it all has now gone. I feel an immense amount of sadness for Prince, and how he gave his life over to the music, but never managed to cultivate a meaningful life away from that, with a partner or children of his own.

At the end of the day, it's people and the relationships we have that make us happy as we get older. I don't envy Prince being in his mid-fifties, alone at Paisley, without a life partner or children, writing music for the sake of writing music, surrounded by people on the payroll. It just doesn't sound like a life with a lot of joy in it. And that's not factoring in the other personal health problems he was contending with.

Wow - you're projecting an awful lot. Do you really feel these are the only fulfilling relationships to be had in life - and that anyone without them is doomed? It may sound like a life without much joy to you - but you don't really know what kind of life Prince had...now do you?

There's a lot of fantasy projection going on here. As if everyone on the planet is not fuffilled without the life partner & kids, yeech.

Better

Krystalkisses said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

One more point...Prince had THE biggest warning signs after the sad passing of MJ in 2009...the mirror was there...the similarities too obvious to miss. Just think about that for a minute..his musical peer/nemesis died from pills, likewise Whitney died in 2012. Was P really THAT arrogant to think that he could escape death & manage his demons in secrecy & on his own?

Like I said previousy..currently in a state of anger & disbelief. The love & respect is buried deep for now.

I think MJ's death really was terrifying for him.

I was at the final 21 nights in London aftershow where he performed with Amy Winehouse.She was in a really bad / fragile way ...again sharing a pre-show talk with her, perfoming on stage with her to the point of him welling up...but his addiction was too strong it would seem for anything to really make him seek help.

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

If you're going for drug-free music only, you're gonna cut yourself from a huge part of rock, even pop music.
I don't understand why a substance intake should be a sin.

It seems like the last two years found him at his most gentle and open.
This is also when his drug intake went through the roof. I'm afraid I don't really see cause and effect here.

bonatoc said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

If you're going for drug-free music only, you're gonna cut yourself from a huge part of rock, even pop music.
I don't understand why a substance intake should be a sin.

It seems like the last two years found him at his most gentle and open.
This is also when his drug intake went through the roof. I'm afraid I don't really see cause and effect here.

Honestly it's to do with the massive level of hypocracy from him. I love the Beatles & the Stones...they were open & honest ..Prince on the otherhand was a master of deception.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Has not changed for me. He was very kind and generous but it not fun to talk about that for some people. Some people seem to latch on to negativity. He put a lot of pressure on his self. Some of the fans tashed him in life and is still doing in death and then people want to get on their high house talking about their "perception/love changed". Was Prince not human? I know some people like to see people fail and have problems.

Purplestar88 said:

Has not changed for me. He was very kind and generous but it not fun to talk about that for some people. Some people seem to latch on to negativity. He put a lot of pressure on his self. Some of the fans tashed him in life and is still doing in death and then people want to get on their high house talking about their "perception/love changed". Was Prince not human? I know some people like to see people fail and have problems.

in life I backed him always..especially on here & all the OTT negativity on the slightest thng he did.

This isn't about high horses - purely based on the overwheliming evidence before me. It's ironic that I always argued back in the day that Prince was human & that we shouild allow him to be so...however the thing that I cannot accept is his level of hypocracy when it came to clean living...I & may fellow fans I speak with feel played...harsh?...but that's how we feel.

rogifan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

You’re coming to all these conclusions based on the investigation information released?

to an extent inc the Carver county reports & the hints now forthcoming from those in the camp - I now read that he was on Percocet on the D&P tourback in '91 - a kick in the teeth as I saw 3 of those amazing shows.

I would dearly love to be proved wrong.

Your own answer to your thread question is that your love/perception has changed for the worse. You want more/different from someone who had their own life - someone you never knew in the first place. You wanting more has nothing to do with Prince, that's all you. It is what it is. Maybe Prince's death made us all grow up in a way we didn't see coming.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Purplestar88 said:

Has not changed for me. He was very kind and generous but it not fun to talk about that for some people. Some people seem to latch on to negativity. He put a lot of pressure on his self. Some of the fans tashed him in life and is still doing in death and then people want to get on their high house talking about their "perception/love changed". Was Prince not human? I know some people like to see people fail and have problems.

in life I backed him always..especially on here & all the OTT negativity on the slightest thng he did.

This isn't about high horses - purely based on the overwheliming evidence before me. It's ironic that I always argued back in the day that Prince was human & that we shouild allow him to be so...however the thing that I cannot accept is his level of hypocracy when it came to clean living...I & may fellow fans I speak with feel played...harsh?...but that's how we feel.

What hypocracy? I don't think Prince made himself to be perfect and he did not go around like doing drugs/pills is that thing to do like some in the bussiness who sing songs about it. So I don't catch on to your statements. If he did talk about his so pill issues people would still have an issue with that too. How did he played anybody? Doctors were giving people these things like candy and we people become hook on them now they are the bad guy and played everyone. Where is the compassion for Prince and the challenges he had to face.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

rogifan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said: You’re coming to all these conclusions based on the investigation information released?

to an extent inc the Carver county reports & the hints now forthcoming from those in the camp - I now read that he was on Percocet on the D&P tourback in '91 - a kick in the teeth as I saw 3 of those amazing shows.

I would dearly love to be proved wrong.

You are latching on to drug use part but you should also look at the people around him. He had a lot people around and it the end he seem alone. That is what I take from the reports.

poppys said:

Your own answer to your thread question is that your love/perception has changed for the worse. You want more/different from someone who had their own life - someone you never knew in the first place. You wanting more has nothing to do with Prince, that's all you. It is what it is. Maybe Prince's death made us all grow up in a way we didn't see coming.

I do agree with this statemet. It seem some want to put their issues on Prince. He was like anybody else who had to life his live and make tough decisions. what I took from his death was to take time to take of yourself and live your life to the fullest. Prince did not own anybody a damn thing.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

As some have said, my appreciation for him has grown. Other people's experience of him is their own so it doesn't cloud mine since I never knew the man and have no point of reference. His music is exhilarating and amazing and that's all he ever truly wanted to shared with us. His personal life never was and, continues to be, none of my business. That said, do I wish things had turned out differently? Absolutely.

Is anger an easier way for you to deal with this stuff? Do what you need to do. But I see anger as being unfair to both yourself and Prince. The reality is that PRince was not some big anti-drug advocate. In the early days, around the time he was saying "Look out all you hippies, you ain't as sharp as me. It aint about the tripping but the sexuality" maybe...around the time of Parade when he was tough on drugs. Back then, it is very likely drugs were something he wanted to avoid but along the way he fell into the trap due to aches and pains and lack of stigma where pain pills were concerned (compared to recreational drugs_. But I want to suggest something else, maybe in his attempt to kick his own problems, he didn't want stuff like alchohol around. Plus, as the overdose in 94 proves, Prince drinking alcohol was pretty dangerous (pills and alcohol are a bad combination). It sounds like you are angry at him for being weak. But there is a flip side to that coin, He endured for 30 something years while coping with a great deal of pain (physically, mentally, emotionally, and chemically). He wasn't a recreational user and if that anonymous drug dealer is to be believed, this monster of a performer suffered from social anxiety and stage fright. And let's not forget the physical pain. Anyone playing that down must not be paying attention. You saw him three times during the Diamond and Pearls concert. Did he not give his all physically? Did you think that came without a price? But I think it is a mistake to believe that all of his work and words were filtered through a drug haze. For all we know, he took some pain pills before he went to bed (and got that 4 hours of sleep he was accustomed to). After all even he said that the pain didn't hit until hours after a show when he sat in his limo and his leg would stiffen up. I imagine he was sober most of the time--especially on stage. I watched a documentary on Janis Joplin recently. It was clear that she was sober on stage but when she went home and had to deal with the come down from the performance and the stress of her personal life, she fell back into alcohol and drugs. She only lived to be 27. He lived to be 57..keep that in mind.Plus, I doubt it was simple as people just being terrified of PRince so they didn't say much about the drugs. There were folks no longer employed by him who could have said something a little more (and maybe thy did) but they also knew he would dodge, duck, deny and isolate himself further. He was a tough nut to crack and skittish, plus he had a legitimate need for pain relief and was incapable of giving up his work. LIsa and Wendy said it best...Lisa said PRince did not do vulnerabilty and she wished he had retired and lived the rest of his life being a mentor or talking about his music. I resented her statement at first but now I agree. Wendy said that deep down, Prince probably didn't have genuine self-esteem at the end. Prince's art/work took a great toll on him as well as his fear as being labeled as weak or vulnerable. This was false pride motivated by fear--IMO. Put yourself in his shoes, would you want the world knowing your weaknesses? As for the BEatles and Stones, they came from a different culture than Prince. Rock stars are known for drug use. Dudes expected to be pillars of the black community don't casually discuss their drug usage or weaknesses. Its not like Ray Charles spoke about his heroin addiction. Only in his work and androgynous image was Prince allowed to show the softer sides of his nature.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

rogifan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said: You’re coming to all these conclusions based on the investigation information released?

to an extent inc the Carver county reports & the hints now forthcoming from those in the camp - I now read that he was on Percocet on the D&P tourback in '91 - a kick in the teeth as I saw 3 of those amazing shows.

I would dearly love to be proved wrong.

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Good point. I do think PRince tried to live clean but his pain (physically especially) was probably just too much. I am sure he was ashamed of himself (denial to one's self and others usually indicates that.) The man certainly didnt glamourize the notion of drugs.

rogifan said:

Something about this clean living argument that bugs me: to me clean living isn’t just about drugs. What about people who smoke cigarettes? Or who are overweight and don’t watch what they eat? Or people who never exercise? I worry that my brother might die from heart disease. He has high blood pressure, is overweight and doesn’t really watch what he eats. I wouldn’t consider him clean living even though he’s never touched an illegal drug in his life.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Krystalkisses said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

I feel ya. I can understand your anger.

I feel ya too. I can understand your unjustified anger. It's complicated, let it play out without judgment for yourself or Prince - which is unhealthy if that is the focus here. Whatever you invested in your need for Prince to be a certain way has changed. Now you are counting the money and feeling you lost. I imagine that will change.

OperatingThetan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

Other than your obvious entitlement, you seem to be under the impression that Prince's drug 'abuse' produced highs that fuelled or allowed for his peaks of creativity. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Pain medication doesn't really produce the kind of euphoria typical of some illegal drugs and it's arguable if even they genuinely boost creativity and performance. Aside from numbing pain, there are a number of side-effects opioids carry that are detrimental to both creativity and performance. These are medications to soothe chronic pain, not enhancement drugs. Becoming dependent on medication doesn't necessarily indicate a person isn't spiritual either. * [Edited 5/13/18 13:15pm]

Personally I am able to separate out Prince the talented genius, from Prince the human being who had his share of strengths and struggles. The fact that he was opiate dependent at the end of his life doesn't change that for me. The likelihood that there were coke fueled marathons as well as possible opiate abuse at times also doesn't change things for me. I have to say that if it comes as a surprise to you (PURPLEIZED 3121) that Prince probably used significnat amounts of recreational drugs, I think you were/are being naive.

However, you (PURPLEIZED 3121) have the right to feel however you want. If he was opiate dependent and possibly abused drugs and this tarnished your memories of Prince so be it. I feel sad that you would let this new reality for you negatively change how you feel about Prince. I am not going to to tell you not to feel that way. I will suggest that you consider finding a way to accept that Prince was a flawed human being (like the rest of us) and give him and his memory grace.

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OperatingThetan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

Each week we find out more about his huge mood swings, treating people like shit, crazy long hours of working, incredible bouts of creativity etc. I guess we already knew this & previously excused it as"well it's Prince & it's just how he rolls"...BUT it's now all too obvious that narcotics were a big part of his life & his sheer arrogance & need to be seen as a superhero ultimately led to his death. I am clear in my mind that the inner circle did try to help BUT he scared the life out of them.

His musical legacy both recorded & live is forever tarnished in my eyes..how many of the amazing aftershows I was lucky enough to see were propped up by drugs?, how many insane of the chain main shows were only possible with drugs?, how many incredible albums/unreleased boots were inspired with a door open through drug use? All the while he painted the illusion of being a clean living spiritual being.

It looks like his addiction went beyond pain relief - if were so then I will apologise to everyone...but my instinct based on the strong evidence thus far suggests my anger is justified.

Other than your obvious entitlement, you seem to be under the impression that Prince's drug 'abuse' produced highs that fuelled or allowed for his peaks of creativity. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Pain medication doesn't really produce the kind of euphoria typical of some illegal drugs and it's arguable if even they genuinely boost creativity and performance. Aside from numbing pain, there are a number of side-effects opioids carry that are detrimental to both creativity and performance. These are medications to soothe chronic pain, not enhancement drugs. Becoming dependent on medication doesn't necessarily indicate a person isn't spiritual either. * [Edited 5/13/18 13:15pm]

Plus, if drugs were all that is required to be an artist of his level, there would already be many more 'geniuses' like him around.
The fact that there are none should be enough to make us realise who Prince really was.

I am really protective of Prince now. I can tell you that. Guess what I saw today in the grocery store that took every bit of self control not to react to? His dead body (not blurred) on the cover of the National Inquirer. I was disgusted. That was about five hours ago and I am still pissed.

Believe it or not, the lady who cut my hair last week was a recovered opiod addict and I started asking her questions last week. Nice lady but not exactly a high achiever and she had an almost frail personality. Its a testiment to P he was able to achieve what he did even on that stuff part-time. She talked about herself and her hubby both being addicted, losing custody of her kid to the hubby because he went into rehab and quit using earlier,(a kid she still sees frequently)

CherryMoon57 said:

OperatingThetan said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said: Other than your obvious entitlement, you seem to be under the impression that Prince's drug 'abuse' produced highs that fuelled or allowed for his peaks of creativity. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Pain medication doesn't really produce the kind of euphoria typical of some illegal drugs and it's arguable if even they genuinely boost creativity and performance. Aside from numbing pain, there are a number of side-effects opioids carry that are detrimental to both creativity and performance. These are medications to soothe chronic pain, not enhancement drugs. Becoming dependent on medication doesn't necessarily indicate a person isn't spiritual either. * [Edited 5/13/18 13:15pm]

Plus, if drugs were all that is required to be an artist of his level, there would already be many more 'geniuses' like him around.
The fact that there are none should be enough to make us realise who Prince really was.