Well, I'm not surprised after reading some comments that Prince didn't seek help. Some people feel entitled to Prince so much and they misrealise how stigmatised mental illness (or any long-term illness) is, especially among ethnic minorities. Instead of shaming a man in pain, what do you do decrease stigma of mental illnesses?

PeteSilas said:

why didn't you just pour the shit out, fucking alkies.

benni said:

My father was an alcoholic, too. I remember the hidden bottles. I remember he had an open bottle on his truck seat one time and a cousin and I got in the back of the truck and started jumping up and down, trying to cause that bottle to turn over and spill out, so that he wouldn't have it to drink any more. The things we do...

I also agree that something changed within the last year or two. A man who seemed so full of life up until this point, suddenly looked frail and fragile. I'm wondering if he changed "providers" or had to start getting his pills from somewhere else, and they happened to be laced with the fentanyl, but he didn't realize it. Fentanyl has a short half-life, so it would be out of his system quickly when he was tested. And whether that is when the dependence to control his pain, turned into an addiction. Something definitely changed over the past year or two, though, definitely.

His truck doors were locked.

FullLipsDotNose said:

Well, I'm not surprised after reading some comments that Prince didn't seek help. Some people feel entitled to Prince so much and they misrealise how stigmatised mental illness (or any long-term illness) is, especially among ethnic minorities. Instead of shaming a man in pain, what do you do decrease stigma of mental illnesses?

so your blaming his death on ethnic mental illness??? wtf.....

luvsexy4all said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Well, I'm not surprised after reading some comments that Prince didn't seek help. Some people feel entitled to Prince so much and they misrealise how stigmatised mental illness (or any long-term illness) is, especially among ethnic minorities. Instead of shaming a man in pain, what do you do decrease stigma of mental illnesses?

so your blaming his death on ethnic mental illness??? wtf.....

The thing is it's real though: https://www.youtube.com/w...IqBsYb_VI.

luvsexy4all said:

rogifan said:

luvsexy4all said:

so your blaming his death on ethnic mental illness??? wtf.....

Well some people are blaming it on JW and no longer cursing so...

Can't speak about the religion, but even as a person who curses when in distress, I don't think it diminishes serious health problems. At least for me.

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

why didn't you just pour the shit out, fucking alkies.

His truck doors were locked.

oh bullshit, bullshit, you shoulda drank it, it's good for you son. then you show him what a good daddy he's being.

Pete, are you drunk right now? How about you back off from someone else's life with your "advice"?

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jaawwnn said:

Pete, are you drunk right now? How about you back off from someone else's life with your "advice"?

[Edited 4/24/18 13:41pm]

i don't drink, it's all for love.

PeteSilas said:

benni said:

His truck doors were locked.

oh bullshit, bullshit, you shoulda drank it, it's good for you son. then you show him what a good daddy he's being.

Excuse me? I'm a female for one thing. Secondly, I don't drink. Thirdly, I was all of 10 years old at the time. Forthly, bullshit, what? That his doors were locked? I suppose you were there. Are you a cousin? Someone I should know? Otherwise, pshaw, buzz off.

benni said:

PeteSilas said:

oh bullshit, bullshit, you shoulda drank it, it's good for you son. then you show him what a good daddy he's being.

Excuse me? I'm a female for one thing. Secondly, I don't drink. Thirdly, I was all of 10 years old at the time. Forthly, bullshit, what? That his doors were locked? I suppose you were there. Are you a cousin? Someone I should know? Otherwise, pshaw, buzz off.

nevermind, i saw your book, i think i can't help you, ill shuttup. I had the alki parents too, it's bad, sis had fetal alcohol, bro was retarded, only me came out normal.....sad shit but i made it.

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I'm not reading all the responses because some seem pretty negative about someone who IS PROVEN to have gone well out of his way to help people when he wasn't on stage.


Sure, he seemed to have an addiction, but most people have one... or two... or three. And the addiction that caught up with him doesn't appear to be due to recreational use. (It seems to me he was in great pain and possibly high anxiety.)


He seemed to have a pretty poor family life growing up, as evidenced by his moving away from his family at a young age and was thrust into superstardom at an early age, both of which could easily lead a person to be distrustful of everyone.


And having said all that, he still gave millions to charity and championed causes (and people) he believed in and supported family members and mentored upstart artists and gave 100% at 1,000s of shows, all while living under a very unforgiving microscope.


He most certainly wasn't perfect, but he sure did leave behind quite a legacy of sticktoitiveness that will be very, very, very hard to follow.



My perception of Prince is the same as it always was - he was the best in the business!

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pdiddy2011 said:

I'm not reading all the responses because some seem pretty negative about someone who IS PROVEN to have gone well out of his way to help people when he wasn't on stage.


Sure, he seemed to have an addiction, but most people have one... or two... or three. And the addiction that caught up with him doesn't appear to be due to recreational use. (It seems to me he was in great pain and possibly high anxiety.)


He seemed to have a pretty poor family life growing up, as evidenced by his moving away from his family at a young age and was thrust into superstardom at an early age, both of which could easily lead a person to be distrustful of everyone.


And having said all that, he still gave millions to charity and championed causes (and people) he believed in and supported family members and mentored upstart artists and gave 100% at 1,000s of shows, all while living under a very unforgiving microscope.


He most certainly wasn't perfect, but he sure did leave behind quite a legacy of sticktoitiveness that will be very, very, very hard to follow.



My perception of Prince is the same as it always was - he was the best in the business!

[Edited 4/24/18 14:11pm]

how can you not just gain respect when all you've heard is vile, negative shit about him for 30+ years, stealing drumkits, kicking fuckers on stage, telling lesbians they'll rot in hell on and on and on. He grew, he evolved, I was proud of him when I heard the stories. I also liked the stories of his humility in the eighties that came out, how humble and kind he seemed behind closed doors. Here's a star who would say bad things but allow underlings like susan rogers to scream at him and quit and then come back and go from there like nothing happened. You think that's minor? go to your boss and throw your money at him and scream and come back to say how it went.

pdiddy2011 said:

whoaaa!..this thread is about YOU & YOUR feelings whilst digesting all the information coming out..please dont be screaming each other down..there's enough sadness these last few days already.

FullLipsDotNose said:

I mostly feel compassion.

I feel like he didn't have a foundation in life. He was tossed from home to home as a kid, never seemed to have 'that person' to be for him unconditionally. I don't think he ever knew how to have a relationship just built on love. He went from being tossed around as a kid and then became famous pretty young. Fame doesn't seem to bring love, it brings users and worshippers. How in the world could he trust anyone? People may think fame and fortune are great, but for Prince, I think it just created lonliness.

Then he created this image for himself. An image of kind of being 'above it all'. He didn't need to smoke, drink or do drugs. He had endless energy and could crank out music 24/7. I think in a way, he bought into his own 'story' and couldn't handle it unraveling. Personally, and I am sure this isn't popular, I wonder if part of the drugs aspect was to escape the fact that he was doing drugs.

So, I just feel really sad when I think of the whole story of Prince. It makes me feel lonely when I think about it.

My perception/love for him remains the same. My empathy for him has grown deeper. And I am now comforted by the understanding that he knew, and had accepted, that his journey had come to an end.

Mumio said:

Nothing has changed for me.

Me either..stronger..still thinking about that tat!

ldmendes said:

Mumio said:

Nothing has changed for me.

Me either..stronger..still thinking about that tat!

Long time no see!!!!!!! How are you? And do it! I am gonna get another one.

Mumio said:

ldmendes said:

Me either..stronger..still thinking about that tat!

Long time no see!!!!!!! How are you? And do it! I am gonna get another one.

Thinking of starting small...purple tears on my left wrist with 1957-2016

ldmendes said:

Mumio said:

Long time no see!!!!!!! How are you? And do it! I am gonna get another one.

Thinking of starting small...purple tears on my left wrist with 1957-2016

missed you too girl...

PDogz said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

MattyJam said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said: But I don't think there was enough of a distinction for Prince, between his private life and his life as Prince the performer. Just look at the heartbreaking way he handled the aftermath of losing his son back in 96. He blurred the lines to an unhealthy degree. We're talking about a guy who literally lived at his recording studio. He made music his entire life, and in doing so, he defined his entire existence by his artistry, which is all well and good, but it doesn't keep you warm at night or give you the basic human need for connection.

Maybe he wanted it to be that way?

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I am more and more convinced he was autistic. He spent his life on his special interests and when he was doing music he delved into it so deeply he lost track of the world outside. For me personally (because I am autistic myself), committing myself to my special interests is emotionally important - it gives me room to escape from the world that I don't understand and that doesn't understand me and, what's worse, has treated me badly from time to time. Many people think I must be depressed and isolated. Actually, I'm usually happy on my own. That doesn't mean I want to be completely alone though. I really wish I had a spouse and children one day. But I also need to be alone every day for at least a couple of hours. There have been instances in my life when I had to be alone for a number of days straight. Which is possibly the reason why it's hard for me to find love - people assume I want to be alone. But when I manage to commit myself to someone finally they want to be around me at least 24/7, which is scary for me. And I think this was also Prince's case. He didn't know how to do relationships, especially how to do them to make everyone in it happy. He wanted to be left alone, but he also wanted someone close. He constructed his "mystical" place which was only "mystical" to allistic (non-autistic) people. In reality, it was his safe space where he could enjoy himself. He talked in ways that were considered "cryptic", but this was what was going through his head. Ultimately, this was a blessing. His unique vision and talent gave joy and hope to millions of people around the world. He will rest in power and his spirit will live among us

I'm also autistic as is my wife, and we've had lots of conversations about the idea of Prince on the spectrum. So much of what seems sad or eccentric to a lot of people looking at Prince is possibly a misperception. For most of his life he strikes me as an autistic guy who managed to an incredible degree to make the world play by his rules, at least when it was around him. Obviously at the end of his life he was in the grip of an addiction, and maybe--maybe--if his relationships with those around him were more typical, something could have been done sooner, and he'd be alive today. But even the way those relationships were, it was so close--if he'd made it through the night, everything was set to go a very different way. But then lots of people die every day from overdoses whose relationships are much more standard. The chemicals have certain properties of their own that overcome lots of different kinds of people.

Anyway, my view of Prince has changed, but not really because of the addiction and the circumstances of his death. It's really changed more because I'm understanding myself and my wife more (our autism wasn't recognized until recently, even though it's been an integral part of every aspect of our lives) and understanding more about... not autism, exactly. Really, I'm understanding more about how allistic people work and how that's different from the world as I've always experienced it. Which means that I can see more clearly when someone else doesn't seem to be living in that typical way. either. Prince never seemed all that strange to me, I just didn't have the language for it, the framework for thinking about how I already felt about him, and why things seemed "normal" about him, to me. And the more the people around him talk, the more little asides and casual bits of information come out, the more an autistic understanding of him seems right to me. And that's a direct result of his death, as people have done more "personal" revelation.

I'm not trying convince anyone that Prince was autistic. I feel he was, but I have no real interest in making a concerted argument for the idea. I'm just saying my perception has changed in that way. That's not a change for better or worse--but it is a change in my perception.

ldmendes said:

Mumio said:

Long time no see!!!!!!! How are you? And do it! I am gonna get another one.

Thinking of starting small...purple tears on my left wrist with 1957-2016

You're gonna want to change that to 1958 That sounds like a great idea though.

EddieC said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Maybe he wanted it to be that way?

-

I am more and more convinced he was autistic. He spent his life on his special interests and when he was doing music he delved into it so deeply he lost track of the world outside. For me personally (because I am autistic myself), committing myself to my special interests is emotionally important - it gives me room to escape from the world that I don't understand and that doesn't understand me and, what's worse, has treated me badly from time to time. Many people think I must be depressed and isolated. Actually, I'm usually happy on my own. That doesn't mean I want to be completely alone though. I really wish I had a spouse and children one day. But I also need to be alone every day for at least a couple of hours. There have been instances in my life when I had to be alone for a number of days straight. Which is possibly the reason why it's hard for me to find love - people assume I want to be alone. But when I manage to commit myself to someone finally they want to be around me at least 24/7, which is scary for me. And I think this was also Prince's case. He didn't know how to do relationships, especially how to do them to make everyone in it happy. He wanted to be left alone, but he also wanted someone close. He constructed his "mystical" place which was only "mystical" to allistic (non-autistic) people. In reality, it was his safe space where he could enjoy himself. He talked in ways that were considered "cryptic", but this was what was going through his head. Ultimately, this was a blessing. His unique vision and talent gave joy and hope to millions of people around the world. He will rest in power and his spirit will live among us

I'm also autistic as is my wife, and we've had lots of conversations about the idea of Prince on the spectrum. So much of what seems sad or eccentric to a lot of people looking at Prince is possibly a misperception. For most of his life he strikes me as an autistic guy who managed to an incredible degree to make the world play by his rules, at least when it was around him. Obviously at the end of his life he was in the grip of an addiction, and maybe--maybe--if his relationships with those around him were more typical, something could have been done sooner, and he'd be alive today. But even the way those relationships were, it was so close--if he'd made it through the night, everything was set to go a very different way. But then lots of people die every day from overdoses whose relationships are much more standard. The chemicals have certain properties of their own that overcome lots of different kinds of people.

Anyway, my view of Prince has changed, but not really because of the addiction and the circumstances of his death. It's really changed more because I'm understanding myself and my wife more (our autism wasn't recognized until recently, even though it's been an integral part of every aspect of our lives) and understanding more about... not autism, exactly. Really, I'm understanding more about how allistic people work and how that's different from the world as I've always experienced it. Which means that I can see more clearly when someone else doesn't seem to be living in that typical way. either. Prince never seemed all that strange to me, I just didn't have the language for it, the framework for thinking about how I already felt about him, and why things seemed "normal" about him, to me. And the more the people around him talk, the more little asides and casual bits of information come out, the more an autistic understanding of him seems right to me. And that's a direct result of his death, as people have done more "personal" revelation.

I'm not trying convince anyone that Prince was autistic. I feel he was, but I have no real interest in making a concerted argument for the idea. I'm just saying my perception has changed in that way. That's not a change for better or worse--but it is a change in my perception.

Thizz said:

PDogz said:

My perception/love for him remains the same. My empathy for him has grown deeper. And I am now comforted by the understanding that he knew, and had accepted, that his journey had come to an end.

What makes you say that he knew and accepted?

By the actions he had taken, and specific things he had been reported to have said to those with whom he had been in contact, in the final weeks of his life, as clearly documented in the comprehensive investigative reports.

GimmeThat said:

My perception of him hasn’t changed. My love for him hasn’t changed.
A lot of the information that has come to light recently is very sad, but I am not taking it personally.
He was an amazing artist and an exceptional person.

HMos said:

Nothing, nothing can ever change my love and respect for this man.

I feel the exact same way, even though I am sad he spent so much time alone- but maybe he wanted that - he always did things on his own terms I think. Love him always