PURPLEIZED3121 said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Maybe he wanted it to be that way?

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I am more and more convinced he was autistic. He spent his life on his special interests and when he was doing music he delved into it so deeply he lost track of the world outside. For me personally (because I am autistic myself), committing myself to my special interests is emotionally important - it gives me room to escape from the world that I don't understand and that doesn't understand me and, what's worse, has treated me badly from time to time. Many people think I must be depressed and isolated. Actually, I'm usually happy on my own. That doesn't mean I want to be completely alone though. I really wish I had a spouse and children one day. But I also need to be alone every day for at least a couple of hours. There have been instances in my life when I had to be alone for a number of days straight. Which is possibly the reason why it's hard for me to find love - people assume I want to be alone. But when I manage to commit myself to someone finally they want to be around me at least 24/7, which is scary for me. And I think this was also Prince's case. He didn't know how to do relationships, especially how to do them to make everyone in it happy. He wanted to be left alone, but he also wanted someone close. He constructed his "mystical" place which was only "mystical" to allistic (non-autistic) people. In reality, it was his safe space where he could enjoy himself. He talked in ways that were considered "cryptic", but this was what was going through his head. Ultimately, this was a blessing. His unique vision and talent gave joy and hope to millions of people around the world. He will rest in power and his spirit will live among us

Another great point...I can easily see how might / probably was somewhere on the spectrum.

Co-sign. I have thought this for a long time now.

FullLipsDotNose said:

MattyJam said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said: But I don't think there was enough of a distinction for Prince, between his private life and his life as Prince the performer. Just look at the heartbreaking way he handled the aftermath of losing his son back in 96. He blurred the lines to an unhealthy degree. We're talking about a guy who literally lived at his recording studio. He made music his entire life, and in doing so, he defined his entire existence by his artistry, which is all well and good, but it doesn't keep you warm at night or give you the basic human need for connection.

Maybe he wanted it to be that way?

I believe that to be true.

soladeo1 said:

Love him more, because I saw in how much pain he was.

Tresha68 said:

Prince was never a messianic figure to me, just a deeply interesting and gifted one – so no. As an artist in the truest sense, the following applied to him to my mind:

“One thing is needful. -- To "give style" to one’s character-- a great and rare art! It is practiced by those who survey all the strengths and weaknesses of their nature and then fit them into an artistic plan until every one of them appears as art and reason and even weaknesses delight the eye. Here a large mass of second nature has been added; there a piece of original nature has been removed -- both times through long practice and daily work at it. Here the ugly that could not be removed is concealed; there it has been reinterpreted and made sublime. Much that is vague and resisted shaping has been saved and exploited for distant views; it is meant to beckon toward the far and immeasurable. In the end, when the work is finished, it becomes evident how the constraint of a single taste governed and formed everything large and small. Whether this taste was good or bad is less important than one might suppose, if only it was a single taste!”

Nietzsche – The Gay Science 290

Two things fascinate me - 1) the stories of a young Prince rigging his home with mirrors so that he could see himself and his movements from every angle. 2) An interview in which he said something along the lines of “I willed this whole trip. Few people turn on to the universe in that way, but I did.” Prince was profound in his play of surfaces.

Anyone who thinks that happiness and contentment are satisfactory ends for an artist has misunderstood their nature in my view. I would have liked Prince to have reached out to someone at the end, but his life, as a work of art, was a triumph.

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he wasn't autistic. But whatever.

Anyway, by its very nature, love for him is either all in or not, so nothing could change.

StopIt said:

he wasn't autistic. But whatever.

Anyway, by its very nature, love for him is either all in or not, so nothing could change.

On the Spectrum is different to autistic. High Achieving Asperger, perhaps.

God, stop with this pointless labelling please.

All geniuses are on another tier in obvious ways, we get it.

grantevans said:

StopIt said:

he wasn't autistic. But whatever.

Anyway, by its very nature, love for him is either all in or not, so nothing could change.

On the Spectrum is different to autistic. High Achieving Asperger, perhaps.

StopIt said:

God, stop with this pointless labelling please.

All geniuses are on another tier in obvious ways, we get it.

grantevans said:

On the Spectrum is different to autistic. High Achieving Asperger, perhaps.

Fine with me. What you say is true. And the "label" was not meant in any pejorative sense. It was just part of the discussion.

still love him and respect what he achieved. if anything, learning that he was fallible has deepened my appreciation for what he did.

We, the people who frequent the ORG on a daily basis should have always been honest with ourselves and realized the Prince was

Just as human as we are, a gifted human to the 10th degree yes, but only human. I've invested too much money and time into his

Assorted works to stop now, no dealbreaker will bust this up. I've seen the pictures, they are disturbing but He

Was not disfigured by a violent act or befouled by bodily functions as far as I could tell. He looked as though he was already

embalmed, he was at peace.

I still love him regardless of everything. I always will. For some reason this anniversary has been the hardest to process for me. Such an array of feelings, confusion, stomach in knots. I think in 2016 I was just so in shock and numb I couldn't feel much. 2017 I was about 3 weeks away from giving birth to my second born , so obviously my mind/attention was not really on Prince but this year has been so different. Possibly because of the investigation closed and all the info coming out and those ......pictures.....man, it just really makes it all so real...it really honestly frightens me. It makes me feel a little embarrassed to realise what you thought you knew you didn't and there are many different sides to someone. But I'm sure Prince loved us all and never wanted to disapoint us.

My perception for Prince has not changed at all. He will forever have a special place in my. He will forever be my favorite entertainer. I have always known that Prince was a human being subject to human shortcomings.

I thought dude was neater & more organized...

If my mama saw Paisley Park like that, she would've shut ALL the studios down until everything was where it was suppose 2 b.

Guitars scattered from room 2 room on desk and couches...

mama wouldn't have had THAT!

uniden said:

I haven't really had the chance to process all the facts, details, and information that I've read over the last few days. However my idea of who he was has changed somewhat so far. I feel like I understand the life he was living better. It's actually very sad. I think I greatly romanticized his life, even the vault isn't as sexy as I imagined it to be. I will always love Prince and his music. His music changed my life, for the better. I have so many amazing experiences because of him. Met the best friends I've ever had, that have become apart of my family. Met my husband, and traveled to other countries. All because of this amazing genius. 💜💜💜

The "world" he created was part of the art. But at the end of the day we are all humans with human frailties.

I love him just as much as always

just have a whole lot more Compassion for what he went through in his life

what he endured in order to keep playing

and How alone he was

because he truly was not like Anyone Else

Physically or Mentally

I see him now as our Own ET

Most People accepted him despite his obvious differences

He stayed and played

but

he Always wanted to GO HOME

Lovejunky said:

I love him just as much as always

just have a whole lot more Compassion for what he went through in his life

what he endured in order to keep playing

and How alone he was

because he truly was not like Anyone Else

Physically or Mentally

I see him now as our Own ET

Most People accepted him despite his obvious differences

He stayed and played

but

he Always wanted to GO HOME

That's beautiful

"Way Back Home", to me, is the saddest song I think he ever did.

Krystalkisses said:

Lovejunky said:

I love him just as much as always

just have a whole lot more Compassion for what he went through in his life

what he endured in order to keep playing

and How alone he was

because he truly was not like Anyone Else

Physically or Mentally

I see him now as our Own ET

Most People accepted him despite his obvious differences

He stayed and played

but

he Always wanted to GO HOME

That's beautiful

"Way Back Home", to me, is the saddest song I think he ever did.

My perception of him never changed.

It always became more clear and logical of what I thought in the beginning of the man.

That Prince was just a guy, with tremendous prolific talents.

Not a genius. I hate that word. He was first of all ambiteous, second enormously creative, (although he didn't always translated that in good taste, imho), 3rd he was stubborn (positive and nigative), and finally he was a slave driver (positive and negative).

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He was certainly not well organised, was affraid and sometimes driven by fear, just like all of us, didn't trust anyone, kind of jealous even. Basically driven on all levels.

He grew up very slow. He became better with age from what we could experience through his words, music and behaviour.

It's not that i ever felt 'love' for Prince. I don't know him of course. Never met him.

But I admire him still enormously for all he did. No one like him out there.

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Best words to describe him is the way he did it himself.

(A highly talented) Skinny motherfucker with a high voice !

changed a lot for the better. so many negative stories when he was alive and he hid most of the positive things he did. He may have been a junkie, if he was, he was also a guy who evolved way past the young Prince who was often nothing more than a flat out punk. the stories of how he grew made me proud of him. Same way that hearing the stories of Elvis make it hard to dislike or disrespect the man, both did things they had nothing to gain out of, with few witnesses, just out of kindness. God bless em.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

I've spoken to many fellow fans & we are all in obvious turmoil after the release of the documents. Many are confused, angry, sympathetic, unwavering in their love. It is probably too soon to ask but has all this affected your opinion of him?

Personally I am:

Sad - to think of how much physical pain he was in for such a long time - utterly heartbreaking

Love - unwavering - NOTHING will diminish that ever.

Confused - Who was the real Prince? Terrible to think that the genuis we saw perform on stage, interviewed so well on TV etc was a mirage. Was the superconfidence just a front?

Angry - that he didn't seek help & that his need to be seen as 'PRINCE' / his desperation for privacy could have been avoided.

These last few days have been incredibly hard, too many awful insights into his behaviour & addiction BUT my love of him remains AND my joy of his music will last forever.

alot of people are saying that, maybe it bothered him alot. but really we don't know. in my observations of most couples, they fight like hell and are miserable anyways, a life partner don't look fun to me. they say people with spouses live longer, i don't know, maybe fighting keeps the spirit going, but it's not for me, i know that. I could see P not having kids bothering him, but I doubt if either had much to do with his ending. Usually it's females who come up with this kind of pity party shit, P didn't want or need that from anyone. He had a great life, it ended badly but we all have to face death at some point.

Genesia said:

MattyJam said:

Yes, it has changed my view on how I perceive his life. I used to think Prince had everything, talent, money, charisma, fame, success... but knowing how it all ended for him, I wouldn't trade places with him in a million years.

By all accounts, he seemed very unhappy and unfulfilled towards the end of his life and personal happiness and contentment is all I aspire to achieve out of life, so that envious part of me that used to think Prince had it all has now gone. I feel an immense amount of sadness for Prince, and how he gave his life over to the music, but never managed to cultivate a meaningful life away from that, with a partner or children of his own.

At the end of the day, it's people and the relationships we have that make us happy as we get older. I don't envy Prince being in his mid-fifties, alone at Paisley, without a life partner or children, writing music for the sake of writing music, surrounded by people on the payroll. It just doesn't sound like a life with a lot of joy in it. And that's not factoring in the other personal health problems he was contending with.

Wow - you're projecting an awful lot. Do you really feel these are the only fulfilling relationships to be had in life - and that anyone without them is doomed? It may sound like a life without much joy to you - but you don't really know what kind of life Prince had...now do you?

soladeo1 said:

endiadj said:

soladeo1 said:

Actually since his passing my estimation of Prince The Man has actually grown!

Even in illness (and probable chemical dependency) he was until the end the total professional...

And also his secret acts of kindness and charity in the last few years of life...

He was charitable his whole life not just the last few years. I absolutely still adore and treasure the man and his music. I'm sympathetic to his struggles in life treatment in death.

he was, but nothing like he was in the last several years, it's like he said a few years ago "it's not about me anymore" those are the words of maturity.

I have always, will always, respect the man, the music, and the artistry. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't angry with him. Because I am. I am angry with him that he didn't seek out medical help for dealing with and treating his pain. I am angry with him that he didn't set aside the music for a short time, to get better. I am angry with him that he hid this so well, that we could hold him to the light and tell our kids, "See? You don't have to resort to drugs in order to live large and beautifully." I am angry with him because he didn't trust us, the fans, enough to think that we would support him even through his pain and his battle with pain medication. I love him and that will never change, but I am angry with him right now, because he didn't have to die, if he had taken the responsibility, faced himself, and got treatment years ago.

[Edited 4/24/18 0:41am]

No change whatsoever. I still love the man and the music.

No change, still a fan. Not reading or downloading those docs, don't need to. I got the gist.