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Read the report. He did give money but his manager said he also could be very tight with money. And if it was more than a million (which he thought was quite a bit), he wanted the public to know. I do think he stepped up his game the last year of his life though. And found other ways to give. But what constitutes "generous"?? The fact that his manager acted like a million wasn't that much money is kind of silly.
As for drug computer, they deleted files from that thing for a reason. Did you know that that Kirk and Phaedra were spotted handling that computer after the cops stupidly left it there (they thought Prince would be using his cell to make drug connections). There were no google emails before April 19 when the cops finally got the warrant to get it. What do they think they were deleting?? That is a lot of deleted emails. They may not have been looking for anything specific or even knew what was in there, but they weren't taking any chances.
I am a fan but let's face facts he was a bit of a mess. I am compassionate but I can't romanticize it.
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None of this is clear. I'm sorry if this is rambling or I am just saying something untrue. Please correct me where I'm clearly wrong or help with your views if you want...
This is seems very shady , looking at it from afar and then when you look into all the relesed documents. So it's a Law to release all the information to the public in Minnesota..It's morbid to show certain images, I guess as humans people are fascinated by the end but I believe that is grossly perpetuated by the media and I am firmly of the fact that so many things are not actually ' in the public interest' .If an article or image or video was deemed to be in the public interest and it was never shown, you would not in any way , get hoards of people protesting on the streets demanding they see the image of a person's dead body. It is not necessary, it really isn't. It benefits no one. The relationship between celebrities and the public has become very twisted. People who are murdered in cold blood on the streets, or in an apartment. Their pictures are not spread across the papers or acessed on the internet. So why celebrities.It really grates me. Nothing has changed.
Who knew about these Vicodin pills. Just Prince? So he knew someone and met him or her orr P got it off the dark web? And this dealer. Did they knew it was Prince they were speaking too. Doubtful but we will never know.Are they saying only Prince would have known who supplied him with the laced pills and there is no way of knowing who that is? That in itself is of course possible but there is always a trace. A number , a contact. Am i just being naive?
But when Prince needed help , he went to Kirk to get him medication? So for a long time no one had a clue. Apart from queries , like why Mayte's pills kept disappearing ( That in itself is a bit odd.After a while , it can't be that hard to figure out who was taking them. But she made it seem like they never confronted the issue. Mayte must have known more. But it does seem they all tried to get as much help as possible in the quickest time, but it was too late. It just all sucks.I'm angry and confused but those in Prince life along time ago, hinted at being aware of a dependancy. Kirk had no idea? Meron Bekure?
“There is no doubt that the actions of individuals closely associated with Prince will be questioned, criticized and judged in the days and weeks to come,”
Mr. Johnson’s lawyer, F. Clayton Tyler, said on Friday: “He tried to take care of his friend as best as he could. The bottom line is, if they had thought he’d done something wrong, they’d have charged him.”
That last line plus the only interview Kirk did , just rubs me the wrong way.
Then again ' Mr. Johnson also cautioned the authorities that “no one would talk about” Prince’s drug use, perhaps out of fear.
I gt that too. It is very similar to the circle around Michael Jackson. People should not have been so scared to speak up .
But then you look at Prince's chef Ms. Zehetner, who told the detective that “of course” those around him knew about Prince’s addiction and that if anyone who worked with Prince said they did not know, “that those people were lying.”
In fact I think a few people knew more. Kirk, friends, girlfriends. Addictions aren't easy to hide when you are so social like Prince. It just all has the feeeling of people knowing more than they are letting on. Then again, he hid this. From fans certainly. He came across as pain free, so content and comfortable in his skin. And in many ways he was , but the fact he had this constant pain and stress really saddens me. All for his love of music and performing.
But for me it's this
a Gmail account belonging to Prince was opened from his MacBook on April 23, 2016, the day of his memorial service, before law enforcement officials obtained a search warrant. “After obtaining a search warrant on Prince’s Google accounts, there was no information prior to 4-19-16,” according to a police report, “suggesting the content had been deleted.”
The fact that criminal charges are not brought does not mean that some person or persons associated with Prince did not assist or enable Prince in obtaining the counterfeit Vicodin
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purplerabbithole said: Do you read that whole report? That dude was a drug addict. Lots of people confirmed those suspicions throughout the interviews etc. He was a functioning one, but he was one. And people wanted to help him continue functioning. The show must go on mentality. I think they thought he could handle it for the most part because he was so "Prince" all the time and such a powerful proponent of hard work and perservance, but they ignored or didn't speak up about the price it was taking on him for many reasons (selfishness, denial, willful ignorance, greed, fear, romanticism, and defeatist attitudes).
You are basically saying his life revolved around drugs. I haven't read anything to support that theory. Drug computer The wooh is on the one! | |
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No his life revolved around music. His staff's life revolved about allowing him to play that music with complete concentration and devotion and on keeping their jobs. No matter how many times they were enamored by his music or looks or sense of humor or aura..at the end of the day, they needed to keep their jobs if they were to even be in his presense (much less make a living.). Drugs became the means to keep doing it even after his body (and maybe even mental health) wouldn't allow it. But music shouldn't be everything and "Prince" needed time and assistance (real assistance, not tiptoeing assistance. or even worst enabling) to work on Prince rogers nelson's problems. But he was a stubborn man who needed music to be who he was. The lack of balance in his life is kind of what killed Prince. Its like the folks around him said to themselves "He's special. We got to keep allowing him to do the things the rest of us wouldn't and shouldn't do to ourselves so he keep being special". I remember some musician was talking about "Prince" never turned off being Prince. That is part of the problem. "Prince" needed to have time away from the constant working, heels, makeup,, star treatment. These things were all layers piled onto the core of this human being until the core was hard to find and unfortunately flaoting in fentanyl. But I can understand people getting swept up in the Prince aura. I do get it. But I can also see why eventually the aura wore off and the sad reality of the price it took on him and those around him to seem superhuman became apparent.. Him pretending to be superhuman (and as a music talent succeeding) in order to avoid facing the very real human frailties he had in himself eventually took its price on those around him but worst on him. Only in his music (ironically) is there truth and its like a catch 22 for that reason. That green bedroom of his says so much about the sad state of prince's life. the core of Prince is somewhere in that green bedroom and then two people decide to delete all the emails he sent out of that room. Its like they threw rosebud into the fire (the end of citizen cane).
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I’m sorry, it’s not that I don’t think P at one point in is life had a feelings for DM. I think much if his depression, grief and anxiety pertaining to her death is he saw what drugs did to her body and in the end she died much too soon because of the role drugs played in her life. Regardless of the reasons for taking drugs, I believe that Vanity’s death brought home the fact that he was facing the same fate due to years of drug use and the toll it took on his body. By the time Vanity died, we now know P’s drug use was not controllable, nor was he able to beat the addiction on his own. IMHO, V’s death made him see the real possibility of his own future. Pretty scary. ~DD55
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Before you posted this, I always felt that Prince procured his own pills. I think he wanted to hide the usage/amount used so this wasn't something he was willing to entrust others to do.
Also, I surmise that Kirk may have gone through Prince's computer and deleted files that may have shown where the drugs were being purchased. | |
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[Snip – luv4u] Just stop with labeling him! He was not a junkie. He was taking painkillers to manage physical pain and possibly depression or emotional pain, not for sh**s and giggles or to get high. Was he hypocritical, yes he was to some degree, but he was not a fraud. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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purplerabbithole said: No his life revolved around music. His staff's life revolved about allowing him to play that music with complete concentration and devotion and on keeping their jobs. No matter how many times they were enamored by his music or looks or sense of humor or aura..at the end of the day, they needed to keep their jobs if they were to even be in his presense (much less make a living.). Drugs became the means to keep doing it even after his body (and maybe even mental health) wouldn't allow it. But music shouldn't be everything and "Prince" needed time and assistance (real assistance, not tiptoeing assistance. or even worst enabling) to work on Prince rogers nelson's problems. But he was a stubborn man who needed music to be who he was. The lack of balance in his life is kind of what killed Prince. Its like the folks around him said to themselves "He's special. We got to keep allowing him to do the things the rest of us wouldn't and shouldn't do to ourselves so he keep being special". I remember some musician was talking about "Prince" never turned off being Prince. That is part of the problem. "Prince" needed to have time away from the constant working, heels, makeup,, star treatment. These things were all layers piled onto the core of this human being until the core was hard to find and unfortunately flaoting in fentanyl. But I can understand people getting swept up in the Prince aura. I do get it. But I can also see why eventually the aura wore off and the sad reality of the price it took on him and those around him to seem superhuman became apparent.. Him pretending to be superhuman (and as a music talent succeeding) in order to avoid facing the very real human frailties he had in himself eventually took its price on those around him but worst on him. Only in his music (ironically) is there truth and its like a catch 22 for that reason. That green bedroom of his says so much about the sad state of prince's life. the core of Prince is somewhere in that green bedroom and then two people decide to delete all the emails he sent out of that room. Its like they threw rosebud into the fire (the end of citizen cane). So I like the "sad green bedroom"...and I like the fact that he had the garish white furry prince bedroom, but at the end of the day he did want to strip it all off and just be in a room, no sparkle, no designer appointements, just a room and a computer and a bit of a mess like a couple hundred million other people...maybe at the end of the day he wanted to drop the shtick lay down on that bed and watch a little basketball...he did not have to sleep there he chose too
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They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.
In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp. Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice. | |
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PennyPurple said: They interviews Kirks Dentist and during the interview she noted that she knew a sound guy who worked with P in Austrailia she stated the guy had to quit after 10 days because P displayed such erratic behavior.
In Moline there was no testing of the pill that KJ gave the Dr to see if it was authentic or counterfeit. It was only visually identified as codene by the stamp. Maybe this is why the family was looking at charging someone for malpractice. Must have been Scottie Baldwin. He was in Australia with Prince and left. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Either way, there would be ZERO case. If anything it would implicate Kirk. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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The only thing the "green bedroom" says to me is that he slept during the daylight hours and, while one only has a very small visual of that bedroom, it appears to be windowless and dark. The white bedroom would not allow for any quality sleep with the numerous windows. Further, if you are using a room for sleep only, why decorate, etc.? The white bedroom might have been for entertaining.....we just don't know. Also, I keep going back to the statement Prince voiced of being "too close to it", after MJ passed. This tells me he understood the risks he was taking, the gravity of the situation and even the potential outcome. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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I thought I read somewhere that at least one pill was tested at the hospital and came back as Tylenol. The doctor asked more than once that she be permitted to do bloodwork. Each time P refused.
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Read the reports. Its testimony from Kiran Sharma. She said he could be generous but if it was over 1 million he tended to want some attention for it. She was trying to make the point that large sums of money being taken out should be looked into because she said apparently Lamkins told her that Prince asked for 60,000 in "spending cash". I can' t remember Sharma's statements about whether from his accounts she could determine drug usage.. She said there was no episode after the hip replacement that was scary but she said she didn't see much directly from her end. There were more than one handler around Prince obviously back then. At the end of his life, there were far fewer. .
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The definition of hypocrite is phony, fraud, liar, sanctimonious person, sham, fake …. source Google dictionary. . It's the hypocrites who criticize other people for doing what they themselves are doing. . DD55
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I think he said tylenol. You are right they just looked at the engraving on the pill but I am not sure its malpractice. I don't think he was going to give them time to figure it out.
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Don't mix up dates though. His more definite drug statements were in the 80's. After a certain point he didn't allow others to drink that much etc, but he wasn't preaching about it any more. And some people thought that P had become pretty lenient. Jill JOnes said she saw people taking drugs in his bathrooms.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
I thought I read somewhere that at least one pill was tested at the hospital and came back as Tylenol. The doctor asked more than once that she be permitted to do bloodwork. Each time P refused.
The brand name Tylenol keeps coming up. Isn't that relatively mild stuff as far as pain meds go? The wooh is on the one! | |
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In the police report, the Moline reps say that their lab identified the pill by sight only. Prince said he had a bottle with stuff besides percocet, and gave a pill to the doctors there, and their lab IDed it based in its appearance (as something like vicodin). - I have no idea if this is typical or atypical of how a hospital IDs patients' drugs. We do know that Prince refused to allow them to test his blood/urine there.
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I think she mixed up the name and was really talking about Scottie Baldwin. I know he quit--after having a wonderful time with the first show, he stopped working in Australia after Prince become difficult (over sound issues that apparently weren't there), but Baldwin stated that it wasn't PRince's fault and at least he (meaning Scottie) said "no". He quit respectfully telling Prince that wasn't fun for him anymore. In the same interview, he called PRince a gentleman and a good man, he also said he didn't know how many real friends he had. Looking back at what he said, I understand the complexity now of what he meant. He was upset with Leeds stating Prince had abandonment issues but I think Leeds might be right and Scottie just felt like he needed to explain why others accommodated Prince (basically because Prince was special and didn't think the ways other did.)
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Yes but there's no evidence Prince was talking just tylenol, even if he mentioned that drug to Dr S. In fact when Prince said to Dr S on April 20 that he had taken "tylenol" that day, Dr S pressed him on what else was in the "Tylenol" (Prince said he didn't know, I believe.) Tylenol (Acetaminophen) is one ingredient in opioid drugs like percocet.
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purplerabbithole said: Read the reports. Its testimony from Kiran Sharma. She said he could be generous but if it was over 1 million he tended to want some attention for it. She was trying to make the point that large sums of money being taken out should be looked into because she said apparently Lamkins told her that Prince asked for 60,000 in "spending cash". I can' t remember Sharma's statements about whether from his accounts she could determine drug usage.. She said there was no episode after the hip replacement that was scary but she said she didn't see much directly from her end. There were more than one handler around Prince obviously back then. At the end of his life, there were far fewer. .
What kind of episodes did Sharma talk about? The wooh is on the one! | |
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