personally, i keep my mind open somewhat because there are so many things our feeble intelligence cannot comprehend.

OperatingThetan said:

cindyt said:

lets go to the backmasked message at the end of Darling Nikki. You really think the laughter at the end of that message showed his "sympathy" to anything Biblical? He was laughing at the idea of the "Lord coming soon"....and put a message like that at the end of that song. honestly, I wonder what his view is now....wonder if he's still laughing? I take no joy in typing this, it's all very sad to me. And I wonder, again, just how the people who worked with him felt; what they saw and what they knew. Cause I've read some stuff right on this forum about his occult leanings and brown mark saying prince didn't show up in the mirror sometimes, and the dwarf in his house whose eyes moved, etc and I just read the Mayte book where he was always hypotizing her. He was into weird stuff, no doubt. How Apollonia and Sheena Easton wouldn't stay with him cause of his weird occultic ideas. Come on, the speculation is rampant that he sold his soul. There are several songs out there he did about that, the Same December comes to mind. And then he died in an elevator with all his black clothes on backwards? Come ON, it's more than weird. That's why I've read about it, trying to figure out what's the deal. If they aren't investigating his death, it's cause they are afraid to due to the "occultic" involvement. (i used to live in a town like that that the cops wouldn't get near satanic involved murders etc., one of those murders was featured on ID Discovery and trust me, one of the people involved walks free to this day, and it wasn't the only murder like that) Some towns have their secrets. Well, there's my take...pretty scary stuff if you ask me, he got involved with something he couldn't get out of in my opinion, if he actually wanted to leave.

You actually credibly assert that people 'sell their souls'? That kind of opinion may have been excusable 200 years ago but is archaic at best today. Many of you here didn't seem to get the message that the satanic panic was just that - an unfounded hysteria with zero credibility. The real danger here is not the imaginary threats of 'Satanism' and 'dark forces' but the mentality behind some of these comments from Christians. You always were the threat historically and factually and you still are. [Edited 3/5/18 12:05pm]

CherryMoon57 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I have seen that video. I thought of posting it here, but I knew that it would not be received well.

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It's no mystery that Prince's music was filled with subliminal and cryptic messages and his music was very sexually-explicit. Prince pushed androgyny as far as he could -- and he was misunderstood; people did not get who he was. Was he straight or gay? I think it was all just a part of his act.

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Now, getting into the satantic stuff. The entire Purple Rain album is about worship and the occult. If you don't think so -- then, you are a foolish person.

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Look at Prince's first album, and everything else he did thereafter. All the transformations -- alter ego's -- he even told Oprah that he had two people inside of him (his words).

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A lot of his songs mock the Bible and God. Was it just his way of expressing himself? What it art?

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He told people "You don't have to do the things I did." He had regrets.

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I think he was manipulated by the music industry. You can see as he got older -- he moved away from all that, and he became just "Prince".

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Then again -- do we really know who Prince was at all? I think he enjoyed being a mystery.

I agree with you on all points here.

I think the speakers on this youtube channel are Israelites and the lady who was speaking has another channel called BlackEducationTV. They are also against the Christian church system as a whole.

Sometimes the things they are exposing make sense while others can be debatable. The angle they have exposed here about Prince's lyrics (and hidden messages) is not that farfetched at all and in fact can be easily observed in many other lyrics that Prince wrote. For example the lyrics about 'a man' who 'Changed stone to bread with one touch of his hand' in 'For the Tears in Your Eyes' could not have been about Jesus, and based on the Bible, was probably more about Satan:

"Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"" (Matthew 4:1-4).

This is one of many examples which correlate with the point made in that video, which is that Prince could have deliberately tried to mislead believers into thinking he was pro-God, when in fact he worshipped Satan. It is a fact that Prince was always about 'a certain' spirituality so this theory is not improbable and might also explain the noticeable U-turn Prince took in the late 90's, along with his attempt to emancipate himself from his 'evil master'. It is very possible that he got involved in some unethical business prior to acquiring his celebrity status and his early music would certainly support that theory, especially Darling Nikki.

That said, the people in the video obviously did not follow the whole of Prince's career and they omit to analyse his later lyrics and what appeared as a more sincere spiritual period. But as you said, who knows who the real Prince truly was...

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It's nice to see someone who has an open mind about these things. I agree with everything you said here. I think Prince was entwined with dark evils in the early part of his career, and he never denied that fact. I think he was trying to get out of it -- leaving WB, "slave" era, becoming a JW and a Pastor. I think he struggled with several personalities, and you can clearly see once he broke free of WB, he became a better person. He felt that the loss of his newborn Son was punishment for his sinister ways. When you look at the "1999" album cover; you can see where his mind was at; the "666", "evil", "penis", and using the upside-down cross. We could discuss this all day.

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Like you said, the people in that video probably weren't that big into Prince's music, and some of what they said is not true. A lot of people say that Prince posed himself as a Christian, when he was really doing the opposite, and most people wouldn't recognize what the real message is. I actually don't like the song "Purple Rain", because it's all about worship and the occult. It starts off sounding like a love song, then it gradually turns darker and darker. "You say you want a leader, but you can't seem to make up your mind -- I think you better close it, and let me guide you......." Guide you? To WHAT? You see my point.

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Prince was so incredibly talented and I don't think he needed to do all that other stuff, but I think he wanted fame, and whatever came along with it -- the good and the bad.

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Prince said he was possessed when he wrote Dirty Mind.

Prince made references to God a lot in his songs and would say things during live performances.

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One song in particular, "I would die for U", is a song that is supposed to be about God, but is it, really?

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A lot of people will listen to songs, but not hear the lyrics and the intent of the message.

jaawwnn said:

CherryMoon57 said:

I acknowledge that Prince loved his conspiracy theories but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them, take them seriously at any level beyond metaphor or think it was one of his better qualities.

As for the mocking, I don't think he ever mocked God openly, but he definitely sent out ambiguous (or conflicting) spiritual messages, which is equivalent to mocking God's message.

But then again, he might not have been talking about the same 'God' all along, who knows.

cloveringold85 said a lot of his songs "mock the Bible and God", I can't think of a a single song that does this. If you want to tell me it is your religions viewpoint that he is wrong and and he is actually mocking God, that's fine, you can have your religion; but it'd be pretty disingenuous for someone to say that Prince was doing it purposely.

[Edited 3/5/18 4:38am]

bonatoc said:

tmo1965 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I have seen that video. I thought of posting it here, but I knew that it would not be received well.

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It's no mystery that Prince's music was filled with subliminal and cryptic messages and his music was very sexually-explicit. Prince pushed androgyny as far as he could -- and he was misunderstood; people did not get who he was. Was he straight or gay? I think it was all just a part of his act.

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Now, getting into the satantic stuff. The entire Purple Rain album is about worship and the occult. If you don't think so -- then, you are a foolish person.

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Look at Prince's first album, and everything else he did thereafter. All the transformations -- alter ego's -- he even told Oprah that he had two people inside of him (his words).

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A lot of his songs mock the Bible and God. Was it just his way of expressing himself? What it art?

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He told people "You don't have to do the things I did." He had regrets.

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I think he was manipulated by the music industry. You can see as he got older -- he moved away from all that, and he became just "Prince".

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Then again -- do we really know who Prince was at all? I think he enjoyed being a mystery.

What was occultic about the Purple Rain album? Yes, there is a lot about God in the album, but I can't point to anything occultic. Give some examples of when Prince mocked God or the Bible?

If you listen to his music, it's easy to see that he had some sort of spiritual battle going on within him. He believed deeply in God, but he had this lust thing going on that came out in his music. I don't think that he was possessed. He was just an ordinary human being who was dealing with ordinary human flaws.

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The Purple Rain album is widely-known as someone being worshipped and idolized. When Prince says "Raise your hands, if you know what I'm talking about." -- that's just one of them! The masses raise their hands and follow his orders. Musicians do it all the time in concerts.

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I can't make you believe something if you don't want to see it.

bonatoc said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Uh, okay...

You're a "foolish" person too, uh?

cloveringold85 is going all voodoo on us.
"Worship" and "Occult"?
Are you sure you're not projecting a tad?

[Edited 3/5/18 9:28am]

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I'm not the person who started this thread.

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Why are people getting so upset? It's a conversation about whether Prince was a prophet for Satan. Geeze!!

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Prince wrote some of the most controversial lyrics of our time, and we're not supposed to discuss it??

he fell to temptation but recovered

cindyt said:

lets go to the backmasked message at the end of Darling Nikki. You really think the laughter at the end of that message showed his "sympathy" to anything Biblical? He was laughing at the idea of the "Lord coming soon"....and put a message like that at the end of that song. honestly, I wonder what his view is now....wonder if he's still laughing? I take no joy in typing this, it's all very sad to me. And I wonder, again, just how the people who worked with him felt; what they saw and what they knew. Cause I've read some stuff right on this forum about his occult leanings and brown mark saying prince didn't show up in the mirror sometimes, and the dwarf in his house whose eyes moved, etc and I just read the Mayte book where he was always hypotizing her. He was into weird stuff, no doubt. How Apollonia and Sheena Easton wouldn't stay with him cause of his weird occultic ideas. Come on, the speculation is rampant that he sold his soul. There are several songs out there he did about that, the Same December comes to mind. And then he died in an elevator with all his black clothes on backwards? Come ON, it's more than weird. That's why I've read about it, trying to figure out what's the deal. If they aren't investigating his death, it's cause they are afraid to due to the "occultic" involvement. (i used to live in a town like that that the cops wouldn't get near satanic involved murders etc., one of those murders was featured on ID Discovery and trust me, one of the people involved walks free to this day, and it wasn't the only murder like that) Some towns have their secrets. Well, there's my take...pretty scary stuff if you ask me, he got involved with something he couldn't get out of in my opinion, if he actually wanted to leave.

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I understand what you are saying, but some here can't grasp it. It's too hard for them.

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Yes, "Darling Nikki": Backmasking: "Hello, how are you? I'm fine, cause I know that the Lord is coming soon.".......ha-ha-ha-ha-ha..........Now, what "Lord" is he referring to? Nobody questions it.

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I heard all the stories you stated.

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Remember, we can't talk about this kind of stuff around here, because we're nuts!

OperatingThetan said:

cindyt said:

lets go to the backmasked message at the end of Darling Nikki. You really think the laughter at the end of that message showed his "sympathy" to anything Biblical? He was laughing at the idea of the "Lord coming soon"....and put a message like that at the end of that song. honestly, I wonder what his view is now....wonder if he's still laughing? I take no joy in typing this, it's all very sad to me. And I wonder, again, just how the people who worked with him felt; what they saw and what they knew. Cause I've read some stuff right on this forum about his occult leanings and brown mark saying prince didn't show up in the mirror sometimes, and the dwarf in his house whose eyes moved, etc and I just read the Mayte book where he was always hypotizing her. He was into weird stuff, no doubt. How Apollonia and Sheena Easton wouldn't stay with him cause of his weird occultic ideas. Come on, the speculation is rampant that he sold his soul. There are several songs out there he did about that, the Same December comes to mind. And then he died in an elevator with all his black clothes on backwards? Come ON, it's more than weird. That's why I've read about it, trying to figure out what's the deal. If they aren't investigating his death, it's cause they are afraid to due to the "occultic" involvement. (i used to live in a town like that that the cops wouldn't get near satanic involved murders etc., one of those murders was featured on ID Discovery and trust me, one of the people involved walks free to this day, and it wasn't the only murder like that) Some towns have their secrets. Well, there's my take...pretty scary stuff if you ask me, he got involved with something he couldn't get out of in my opinion, if he actually wanted to leave.

You actually credibly assert that people 'sell their souls'? That kind of opinion may have been excusable 200 years ago but is archaic at best today. Many of you here didn't seem to get the message that the satanic panic was just that - an unfounded hysteria with zero credibility. The real danger here is not the imaginary threats of 'Satanism' and 'dark forces' but the mentality behind some of these comments from Christians. You always were the threat historically and factually and you still are. [Edited 3/5/18 12:05pm]

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You don't believe that a lot of musical artist sell their soul for fame?

cloveringold85 said:

I could not even watch 10 minutes of that video. The man has no clue what he is talking about. Prince was never a satan worshipper (sorry to disappoint a few). The occult does not mean satan worship. The occult means "hidden, secret" knowledge. It comes from the latin word occultus, which literally means "clandestine, hidden, secret". Esoteric would be a better way to describe it. These are the hidden, deeper meanings of religious texts that are given to those that are ready (prepared) for those lessons. In Judaism, Kabbalah is considered to be such a teaching. In Christianity, even the Bible talks about the "secret" of God and "secret Wisdom". It is only in the mind of some that occult is synonmous with satanism.

If you listen to "I Would Die 4 U" as Christ speaking to you, instead of as some off the wall satan shtick, which it isn't, then it makes perfect sense.

As for sexually explicit lyrics being from satan:

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.

10 How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!

11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

13 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,

14 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:

15 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.


And I could paste more, but if you read all of The Song Of Solomon, in the Bible, you get the gist. Prince has said repeatedly, in many interviews, that when he sang about sex, to him, he was singing about a spiritual joining, regardless of how others interpreted that.

cloveringold85 said:

OperatingThetan said:

cindyt said: You actually credibly assert that people 'sell their souls'? That kind of opinion may have been excusable 200 years ago but is archaic at best today. Many of you here didn't seem to get the message that the satanic panic was just that - an unfounded hysteria with zero credibility. The real danger here is not the imaginary threats of 'Satanism' and 'dark forces' but the mentality behind some of these comments from Christians. You always were the threat historically and factually and you still are. [Edited 3/5/18 12:05pm]

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You don't believe that a lot of musical artist sell their soul for fame?

i believe if it was that easy, a lot more musicians would be famous. lots of people with no strong morals out there. lots of musicians, as i said, have used the idea of selling your soul, even pure bruce springsteen sang a line about it and i couldn't see him ever doing such a thing. Jimi Hendrix supposedly was convinced that he was demon possessed and it made him do some of the things he did. However, i think it was just a rebellion thing when used by most musicians. I said that i think prince got the idea to mix religion/sex from marvin gaye but he didn't do it with any real subtlty or flair. Marvin got it right, prince got it very wrong. Putting the lords prayer in a song called controversy is just to mock god, that's not good and prince had to know it.

cloveringold85 said:

benni said:

I could not even watch 10 minutes of that video. The man has no clue what he is talking about. Prince was never a satan worshipper (sorry to disappoint a few). The occult does not mean satan worship. The occult means "hidden, secret" knowledge. It comes from the latin word occultus, which literally means "clandestine, hidden, secret". Esoteric would be a better way to describe it. These are the hidden, deeper meanings of religious texts that are given to those that are ready (prepared) for those lessons. In Judaism, Kabbalah is considered to be such a teaching. In Christianity, even the Bible talks about the "secret" of God and "secret Wisdom". It is only in the mind of some that occult is synonmous with satanism.

If you listen to "I Would Die 4 U" as Christ speaking to you, instead of as some off the wall satan shtick, which it isn't, then it makes perfect sense.

As for sexually explicit lyrics being from satan:

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.

10 How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!

11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

13 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,

14 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:

15 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.


And I could paste more, but if you read all of The Song Of Solomon, in the Bible, you get the gist. Prince has said repeatedly, in many interviews, that when he sang about sex, to him, he was singing about a spiritual joining, regardless of how others interpreted that.

I am sorry Benni, but you cannot really compare the tone used in songs like Darling Nikki with these Bible verses. We know Prince loved to talk about love, sex and sensuality, the human body etc. there is nothing wrong with that at all and this is not what this thread is about. The thread is about the possibility that Prince may have flirted with the dark side of spirituality - or whatever you may wish to call it - and incorporated some of it in both his released (and unrealeased) music.

Now whether he was aware of it and backtracked against it a few times in his life, the fact is that he still wrote those songs, meaning the dark inspiration was there. I know the people speaking in the video posted by the OP may not have all the elements to characterise and judge Prince entirely as a person and nor do we, but they did raise a few fair and relevant points. For instance, the Partyman video where all the party goers end up being poisoned by a two-faced Prince. We all know that Prince was very much a partyman himself for much of his life... Why would he willingly incarnate such an evil person on a screen?

And how would you analyse the lyrics in this (unreleased) song, and the chorus in particular. I am aware that it was written with the Batman film in mind and am not contesting the musical validity of the song either but in the context of the topic discussed and as far as I can see, he is not asking the listeners to NOT dance with the devil. At least he has had enough spiritual sense to not release the song, but still wrote it. He also removed the Black Album from the shelves because he felt it was too 'evil', but was there perhaps another reason? Interestingly, in the track Bob George, he ends up being killed by a character representing his music manager... Also he himself stopped playing a lot of his earlier songs for a long period of time and even talked against them in some of his shows. For an artist to auto-censor his own songs, that meant that maybe he too thought that they were not good for his fans.

'Cunning liar, eternal fire
Demon clever, promise 4ever
The curious try and always die

Live in fear, the devil is near
Can U feel his breath? Pray 4 death
The curious try and always die

"U men point those search lights up on the tower right now - move, move!"

Have no Savior, have no faith
Never look 4 Heaven's gate
Devil's children, no love inside
There is a soul, but it has died

Devil's children, no love inside
There is a soul, but it has died
And it cries, and it cries?

CHORUS:
Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight
Give up 2 the feeling and don't try 2 fight
He wants your soul and he wants it 2night
Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight
Close your eyes 2 love and die

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight

"U know, without U I just wouldn't wanna go on"

CHORUS

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight

"It's as though we were made 4 each other
Beauty and the Beast
Of course if anyone else calls U Beast
I'll rip their lungs out"

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight"

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

It's nice to see someone who has an open mind about these things. I agree with everything you said here. I think Prince was entwined with dark evils in the early part of his career, and he never denied that fact. I think he was trying to get out of it -- leaving WB, "slave" era, becoming a JW and a Pastor. I think he struggled with several personalities, and you can clearly see once he broke free of WB, he became a better person. He felt that the loss of his newborn Son was punishment for his sinister ways. When you look at the "1999" album cover; you can see where his mind was at; the "666", "evil", "penis", and using the upside-down cross. We could discuss this all day. Like you said, the people in that video probably weren't that big into Prince's music, and some of what they said is not true. A lot of people say that Prince posed himself as a Christian, when he was really doing the opposite, and most people wouldn't recognize what the real message is. I actually don't like the song "Purple Rain", because it's all about worship and the occult. It starts off sounding like a love song, then it gradually turns darker and darker. "You say you want a leader, but you can't seem to make up your mind -- I think you better close it, and let me guide you......." Guide you? To WHAT? You see my point. Prince was so incredibly talented and I don't think he needed to do all that other stuff, but I think he wanted fame, and whatever came along with it -- the good and the bad. Prince said he was possessed when he wrote Dirty Mind.

Is that so? And where, pray tell, might I find proof of this claim you're making? And, for the sake of clarity (to mitigate any potential confusion because I did highlight the JW statement as well)....your claim about Prince becoming a Pastor!

By the sounds of it, Prince came pretty close to being a pastor, at least during the period described by Kevin Smith here (there are several parts to watch):

http://www.dailymotion.co...eo/x2wcqb8
http://www.dailymotion.co...eo/x2noswo

http://www.dailymotion.co...eo/x2z63kx

And let's not forget that his very close friend Denise Matthews had herself become an evangelist.

[Edited 3/6/18 3:33am]

If Prince had sold his soul to the Devil wouldn't he be more popular?

(and why was there a random part about Queen in that video? and Oh the books behind him? Part of a very secular set of 'classics' sold by Encyclopedia Britannica.)

cloveringold85 said:

CherryMoon57 said:

benni said:

I could not even watch 10 minutes of that video. The man has no clue what he is talking about. Prince was never a satan worshipper (sorry to disappoint a few). The occult does not mean satan worship. The occult means "hidden, secret" knowledge. It comes from the latin word occultus, which literally means "clandestine, hidden, secret". Esoteric would be a better way to describe it. These are the hidden, deeper meanings of religious texts that are given to those that are ready (prepared) for those lessons. In Judaism, Kabbalah is considered to be such a teaching. In Christianity, even the Bible talks about the "secret" of God and "secret Wisdom". It is only in the mind of some that occult is synonmous with satanism.

If you listen to "I Would Die 4 U" as Christ speaking to you, instead of as some off the wall satan shtick, which it isn't, then it makes perfect sense.

As for sexually explicit lyrics being from satan:

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.

10 How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!

11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

13 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,

14 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:

15 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.


And I could paste more, but if you read all of The Song Of Solomon, in the Bible, you get the gist. Prince has said repeatedly, in many interviews, that when he sang about sex, to him, he was singing about a spiritual joining, regardless of how others interpreted that.

I am sorry Benni, but you cannot really compare the tone used in songs like Darling Nikki with these Bible verses. We know Prince loved to talk about love, sex and sensuality, the human body etc. there is nothing wrong with that at all and this is not what this thread is about. The thread is about the possibility that Prince may have flirted with the dark side of spirituality - or whatever you may wish to call it - and incorporated some of it in both his released (and unrealeased) music.

Now whether he was aware of it and backtracked against it a few times in his life, the fact is that he still wrote those songs, meaning the dark inspiration was there. I know the people speaking in the video posted by the OP may not have all the elements to characterise and judge Prince entirely as a person and nor do we, but they did raise a few fair and relevant points. For instance, the Partyman video where all the party goers end up being poisoned by a two-faced Prince. We all know that Prince was very much a partyman himself for much of his life... Why would he willingly incarnate such an evil person on a screen?

And how would you analyse the lyrics in this (unreleased) song, and the chorus in particular. I am aware that it was written with the Batman film in mind and am not contesting the musical validity of the song either but in the context of the topic discussed and as far as I can see, he is not asking the listeners to NOT dance with the devil. At least he has had enough spiritual sense to not release the song, but still wrote it. He also removed the Black Album from the shelves because he felt it was too 'evil', but was there perhaps another reason? Interestingly, in the track Bob George, he ends up being killed by a character representing his music manager... Also he himself stopped playing a lot of his earlier songs for a long period of time and even talked against them in some of his shows. For an artist to auto-censor his own songs, that meant that maybe he too thought that they were not good for his fans.

'Cunning liar, eternal fire
Demon clever, promise 4ever
The curious try and always die

Live in fear, the devil is near
Can U feel his breath? Pray 4 death
The curious try and always die

"U men point those search lights up on the tower right now - move, move!"

Have no Savior, have no faith
Never look 4 Heaven's gate
Devil's children, no love inside
There is a soul, but it has died

Devil's children, no love inside
There is a soul, but it has died
And it cries, and it cries?

CHORUS:
Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight
Give up 2 the feeling and don't try 2 fight
He wants your soul and he wants it 2night
Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight
Close your eyes 2 love and die

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight

"U know, without U I just wouldn't wanna go on"

CHORUS

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight

"It's as though we were made 4 each other
Beauty and the Beast
Of course if anyone else calls U Beast
I'll rip their lungs out"

Dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Put your arms around him and hold him tight"

Those particular lyrics, a warning. The devil is cunning, he's a liar, and if you turn from God to evil, then you are sealing your fate.

What? You read that as him telling you to turn to devil worship? Really?


As for other sexually explicit material in Prince's song, a friend and I once talked about this years ago. This friend said something that really clicked. Prince's mom was a social worker, right? So, in social work we are taught, "Start where the client is, get on their level, that's when you can reach them, and help them." Prince may have heard something similar from his mom, the social worker. If Prince believed (which I have heard that he did believe this) that he had a message to spread, how else would he get attention focused on him? By exuding sexuality, by singing about "sex". This was a guarantee to get the youth's attention. And it worked. Once he knew he had the world's focus upon on, he began interjecting more and more religious/spiritual themes into his music, and continued to evolve that - so that you see Prince's style of dress evolve from wearing briefs and a trench coat on stage, to dressing in a more refined manner. He was showing visually, the changes that one undergoes when they seek a higher existence. You move from the base, the mundane, to refined, elegance.

If you want to make a difference, grab their attention, get them focused on you, get them into your music, (use sexuality), and lift them up slowly. Move them away from the base and mundane, and bring them up to your level.

On the same album that he has the song "Darling Nikki" he also has "Let's Go Crazy", in which he has explained that he could not say "God" on the radio and he had to use other ways to sing about God. He said essentially that he was saying, that when de elevator brings you down, punch a higher floor, turn to God.

I think his first 3 albums were his attempt to find where he fit in to the music scene. By the time Controversy arrived, he was finding where he fit, and ways to get his message out. In the song Annie Christian (which of course is the anti-christ), he talks about those that were influenced by and did evil things and how HE is staying away from that (living his life in a taxi cab). Always staying on the move, away from evil, and it could be said that "taxi cab" was another word (in this song) that he used to represent God.

As for the Song of Solomon, for those times, those verses would be about what Darling Nikki was to our times. In the Song of Solomon, the love is described as a garden, and the lover is begging his love to open the garden and let him enter. He sings of drinking the nectar and how his head is moist. Yeah, pretty heady stuff. But again, all of that was Solomon's description of a marriage between man and woman, but the esoteric (deeper, secret teaching) has always been that this is the description of a person seeking a deeper, more intimate relationship with God.

on a similar note, did anyone grow up hearing the rumor that the father of Joseph Kennedy, Patrick

was his name i think. "sold" his soul to the devil in order to reach political prominence. Which

was apparently the called the "kennedy curse" Very Religious family indeed who may

have enlisted the dark arts for fortune. I wonder if Prince grew up hearing about the Kennedy Curse

and being the type of kid who flirted with edge. What was this but another edge.

I have no doubt that Prince believed in God and loved him and knew what was right, but i do

wonder if he would have in his youth done things to intentionally scare himself but unable to resist

the "let me just see" what is over there temptation. Also if you watch Peaky Blinders on Netflix i do believe this is indeed the story

they are telling thru the Shelby family, the Kennedy Curse and their dance with the devil.

just my thoughts.

cloveringold85 said:

Prince made references to God a lot in his songs and would say things during live performances.

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One song in particular, "I would die for U", is a song that is supposed to be about God, but is it, really?

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A lot of people will listen to songs, but not hear the lyrics and the intent of the message.

Yes, yes it is.

You're removing all possible contexts from all possible musical experiences and looking at them purely from the lens of "can this be made to seem to be about worshipping satan".

OnlyNDaUsa said:

RJOrion said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

If Prince had sold his soul to the Devil wouldn't he be more popular?

(and why was there a random part about Queen in that video? and Oh the books behind him? Part of a very secular set of 'classics' sold by Encyclopedia Britannica.)

MORE popular???lol....like he isnt/wasnt an icon/superstar/legend [Edited 3/6/18 7:45am]

he could have sold more albums.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

RJOrion said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: MORE popular???lol....like he isnt/wasnt an icon/superstar/legend [Edited 3/6/18 7:45am]

he could have sold more albums.

The illuminati offed him as a blood sacrifice for dues owed to the devil in exchange for his worldly success...

purplethunder3121 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he could have sold more albums.

The illuminati offed him as a blood sacrifice for dues owed to the devil in exchange for his worldly success...

wait now in "The Max" he admits to paying said Dues! He also admitted to being able to pass through solid objects...

CherryMoon57 said:

benni said:

I could not even watch 10 minutes of that video. The man has no clue what he is talking about. Prince was never a satan worshipper (sorry to disappoint a few). The occult does not mean satan worship. The occult means "hidden, secret" knowledge. It comes from the latin word occultus, which literally means "clandestine, hidden, secret". Esoteric would be a better way to describe it. These are the hidden, deeper meanings of religious texts that are given to those that are ready (prepared) for those lessons. In Judaism, Kabbalah is considered to be such a teaching. In Christianity, even the Bible talks about the "secret" of God and "secret Wisdom". It is only in the mind of some that occult is synonmous with satanism.

If you listen to "I Would Die 4 U" as Christ speaking to you, instead of as some off the wall satan shtick, which it isn't, then it makes perfect sense.

As for sexually explicit lyrics being from satan:

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.

10 How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!

11 Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

12 A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

13 Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,

14 Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:

15 A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

16 Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.


And I could paste more, but if you read all of The Song Of Solomon, in the Bible, you get the gist. Prince has said repeatedly, in many interviews, that when he sang about sex, to him, he was singing about a spiritual joining, regardless of how others interpreted that.

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I understand where you are going with that, but see, that was what was so perplexing about Prince. Was he trying to trick us? Did he want us to think his music was about God, when it was actually about the opposite? I mean, quoting the bible and using sex and the same time, is a bit weird, you must admit. We could sit here all day until the cow's come home and talk about Prince's lyrics and their meaning(s).

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You don't believe that a lot of musical artist sell their soul for fame?

i believe if it was that easy, a lot more musicians would be famous. lots of people with no strong morals out there. lots of musicians, as i said, have used the idea of selling your soul, even pure bruce springsteen sang a line about it and i couldn't see him ever doing such a thing. Jimi Hendrix supposedly was convinced that he was demon possessed and it made him do some of the things he did. However, i think it was just a rebellion thing when used by most musicians. I said that i think prince got the idea to mix religion/sex from marvin gaye but he didn't do it with any real subtlty or flair. Marvin got it right, prince got it very wrong. Putting the lords prayer in a song called controversy is just to mock god, that's not good and prince had to know it.

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You can not compare Prince to most other artist's out there. Prince was a multi-talent, and we will never see another talent like him again.

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Sex sells. Sex, drugs and rock & roll is here to stay. Back in the 50s, people used to say that Elvis' music was the devil's music. People were outraged that Elvis would shake his hips and make the girls scream. It's kinda funny now, looking back, because you see what people are doing today--it gets more and more outrageous.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

It's nice to see someone who has an open mind about these things. I agree with everything you said here. I think Prince was entwined with dark evils in the early part of his career, and he never denied that fact. I think he was trying to get out of it -- leaving WB, "slave" era, becoming a JW and a Pastor. I think he struggled with several personalities, and you can clearly see once he broke free of WB, he became a better person. He felt that the loss of his newborn Son was punishment for his sinister ways. When you look at the "1999" album cover; you can see where his mind was at; the "666", "evil", "penis", and using the upside-down cross. We could discuss this all day. Like you said, the people in that video probably weren't that big into Prince's music, and some of what they said is not true. A lot of people say that Prince posed himself as a Christian, when he was really doing the opposite, and most people wouldn't recognize what the real message is. I actually don't like the song "Purple Rain", because it's all about worship and the occult. It starts off sounding like a love song, then it gradually turns darker and darker. "You say you want a leader, but you can't seem to make up your mind -- I think you better close it, and let me guide you......." Guide you? To WHAT? You see my point. Prince was so incredibly talented and I don't think he needed to do all that other stuff, but I think he wanted fame, and whatever came along with it -- the good and the bad. Prince said he was possessed when he wrote Dirty Mind.

Is that so? And where, pray tell, might I find proof of this claim you're making? And, for the sake of clarity (to mitigate any potential confusion because I did highlight the JW statement as well)....your claim about Prince becoming a Pastor!

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https://www.twincities.co...er-nelson/

Prince liked to mix sex & religion:

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Prince bound religion and sex in the visual, too. A poster for the 1981 album “Controversy” showed a nearly naked Prince in a shower with a crucifix, and the cover of “Lovesexy” shows a completely nude Prince with an oversized flower, its petals spread like angel wings, behind him.

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And when he famously dropped his name for a glyph, a mashup of the symbols for male, female and the Christian cross.

Then there’s the color purple, which Prince adopted like a trademark. In many Christian churches, purple is the color of Lent, a symbol of waiting for the Resurrection.

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https://www.religionnews....ke-prince/