PeteSilas said:

can't paint all of em bad like i said, a lot of people calling themselves christian i've absolutely loved and miss to this day. i think you get any group of people together you're going to get some ugliness going on. It's inevitable and the saddest thing is it divides us from each other. My people, bands of indians, most no more than 50-100 people in alaska were the same, I imagine even going all the way back into africa people were the same, they'd have arguements, divisions would be made and they'd split up. My tribe is spread out all the way down to mexico. People are people and i've come to believe what's in the worst of us is in all of us to some degree and vice versa.

cloveringold85 said:

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I've never had any bad experiences with the church. It seems you certainly had more than your fair share. It's stuff you read in the news and you think it will never happen to you. I see all these community churches popping up everywhere, and I want nothing to do with them. When someone says to me "Do you go to church?"........then, that's my queue to get the heck out of there!

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

i've seen a little of carrey's stuff, he's evolved for sure and been through some stuff, then, being a comic, depression and darkness is pretty much an occupational hazard.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

can't paint all of em bad like i said, a lot of people calling themselves christian i've absolutely loved and miss to this day. i think you get any group of people together you're going to get some ugliness going on. It's inevitable and the saddest thing is it divides us from each other. My people, bands of indians, most no more than 50-100 people in alaska were the same, I imagine even going all the way back into africa people were the same, they'd have arguements, divisions would be made and they'd split up. My tribe is spread out all the way down to mexico. People are people and i've come to believe what's in the worst of us is in all of us to some degree and vice versa.

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

PeteSilas said:

i've seen a little of carrey's stuff, he's evolved for sure and been through some stuff, then, being a comic, depression and darkness is pretty much an occupational hazard.

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

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He's really an intelligent guy. I wish him the best.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

can't paint all of em bad like i said, a lot of people calling themselves christian i've absolutely loved and miss to this day. i think you get any group of people together you're going to get some ugliness going on. It's inevitable and the saddest thing is it divides us from each other. My people, bands of indians, most no more than 50-100 people in alaska were the same, I imagine even going all the way back into africa people were the same, they'd have arguements, divisions would be made and they'd split up. My tribe is spread out all the way down to mexico. People are people and i've come to believe what's in the worst of us is in all of us to some degree and vice versa.

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

i'll watch it after i watch the janis joplin docu again.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

i'll watch it after i watch the janis joplin docu again.

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NP

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

i'll watch it after i watch the janis joplin docu again.

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NP

makes you wonder what happened to push him to that extreme. i don't really take the illuminati stuff seriously.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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NP

makes you wonder what happened to push him to that extreme. i don't really take the illuminati stuff seriously.

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It is no mystery that Hollywood uses people and spits them out. Jim Carrey is actually a very good serious actor. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of people don't want to believe this, but the elite and powerful control our government and Hollywood. Prince didn't want to live in Hollywood, and he had very good reasons why.

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I'm happy that Jim Carrey has found himself and learning what is important in life.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

makes you wonder what happened to push him to that extreme. i don't really take the illuminati stuff seriously.

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It is no mystery that Hollywood uses people and spits them out. Jim Carrey is actually a very good serious actor. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of people don't want to believe this, but the elite and powerful control our government and Hollywood. Prince didn't want to live in Hollywood, and he had very good reasons why.

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I'm happy that Jim Carrey has found himself and learning what is important in life.

you believe in that illuminati stuff? the sacrifices and all? I definitely believe in social engineering but the witchcraft and all that, well, i'd need more proof.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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It is no mystery that Hollywood uses people and spits them out. Jim Carrey is actually a very good serious actor. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of people don't want to believe this, but the elite and powerful control our government and Hollywood. Prince didn't want to live in Hollywood, and he had very good reasons why.

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I'm happy that Jim Carrey has found himself and learning what is important in life.

you believe in that illuminati stuff? the sacrifices and all? I definitely believe in social engineering but the witchcraft and all that, well, i'd need more proof.

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I don't believe in it, as in practice it, but I know it exists. It always existed, but we are just finding out more about it now, because of the internet.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

can't paint all of em bad like i said, a lot of people calling themselves christian i've absolutely loved and miss to this day. i think you get any group of people together you're going to get some ugliness going on. It's inevitable and the saddest thing is it divides us from each other. My people, bands of indians, most no more than 50-100 people in alaska were the same, I imagine even going all the way back into africa people were the same, they'd have arguements, divisions would be made and they'd split up. My tribe is spread out all the way down to mexico. People are people and i've come to believe what's in the worst of us is in all of us to some degree and vice versa.

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

i've watched a couple of his lectures and i find him really inspiring.

cloveringold85 said:

XxAxX said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I agree; all christians are not the same. I think a lot of it has to do with how they were raised and their life experiences. Like you said, there is good and bad in all races and denominations.

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I just came across this YT video on my feed about Jim Carrey and his spiritual path. I think he's an amazing person who went through a lot in his life and was corrupted by Hollywood. If you have time, I would suggest watching it, but you don't have to. I think he is a very honest person.

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While watching this, I could not help but think of Prince and his own spiritual journey. I think Prince was finding himself and getting to know the true meaning of life. Some of this may be too deep for some people.

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https://www.youtube.com/w...9MZPp1h690

i've watched a couple of his lectures and i find him really inspiring.

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Yes, he certainly is. I don't think he's putting on an act. He has enough money to retire and never show his face in Hollywood again. I guess at this stage in his life he has nothing to prove.

anangellooksdown said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I never understood the term people make: "Live without Regrets". I guess if you are free spirit and have no regard for other's, you can easily say that. But, someone who is loving, kind, compassionate and gives to the world would hold accountability for what they do. So, that phrase has always been perplexing, to me.

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The way I look at it is this......If you live a life without regrets, then does that mean you are perfect and never did anything wrong? That is not possible, because none of us are perfect. If you never regretted anything you've ever done, then how can you learn from that and grow, as a person?

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Just my 2-cents.

Hi clovering, you said it...we learn from it and grow. But you’re right, that’s not enough. This is where Atonement comes in.

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Thank you, Angel.

cloveringold85 said:

anangellooksdown said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thank you, Angel.

YW 🙂 I just finished warching the Jim Carrey clip. He’s doing fantastic! I felt bad when his longtime relationship broke up, but now I see once again, that sometimes things happen for a reason, thx 4 sharing that.

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NP; I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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I'm happy to see that Carrey is finding his place in the world; he's been through a lot.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

you believe in that illuminati stuff? the sacrifices and all? I definitely believe in social engineering but the witchcraft and all that, well, i'd need more proof.

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I don't believe in it, as in practice it, but I know it exists. It always existed, but we are just finding out more about it now, because of the internet.

Oh my god

herb4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I don't believe in it, as in practice it, but I know it exists. It always existed, but we are just finding out more about it now, because of the internet.

Oh my god

i take it you're a skeptic? I am too, I don't really see the point in rituals. Powerplays? hell yes, but witchcraft? I'd have to see more proof. I think it's possible though which is what makes it so intriguing.

There's no fucking Illuminatti. Or Chemtrails. Or pizza parlor pedo rings. Or lizard men. 9/11 was not an inside job. Sandy Hook and Stoneman were not false flags with crisis actors. Bin Laden is dead. Infowars and Alex Jones are completely full of shit.

This place has deteriorated into a tiny collection of die hard crazy people, it seems. I honestly can't believe some of the shit I read on here. Illumatti? Jesus Christ. Get a grip folks.

cloveringold85 said:

anangellooksdown said:

cloveringold85 said: YW 🙂 I just finished warching the Jim Carrey clip. He’s doing fantastic! I felt bad when his longtime relationship broke up, but now I see once again, that sometimes things happen for a reason, thx 4 sharing that.

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NP; I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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I'm happy to see that Carrey is finding his place in the world; he's been through a lot.

what was wrong with Jim Carrey? i didnt know he was doing bad

dance4me3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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NP; I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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I'm happy to see that Carrey is finding his place in the world; he's been through a lot.

what was wrong with Jim Carrey? i didnt know he was doing bad

well, he's definitely changed, you could say he's gone crazy or maybe just sees things different. It could be the fame and how little it meant, it could be the girl that killed herself over him or it could be a combination of things. He seems content though so it's not sad to me.

purplefam99 said:

herb4 said:

anangellooksdown said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Thank you, Angel.

YW 🙂 I just finished warching the Jim Carrey clip. He’s doing fantastic! I felt bad when his longtime relationship broke up, but now I see once again, that sometimes things happen for a reason, thx 4 sharing that.

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His girlfriend overdosed and committed suicide in September 2015. She was young, only 30 years-old. She was a very troubled girl.

cloveringold85 said:

anangellooksdown said:

cloveringold85 said: YW 🙂 I just finished warching the Jim Carrey clip. He’s doing fantastic! I felt bad when his longtime relationship broke up, but now I see once again, that sometimes things happen for a reason, thx 4 sharing that.

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His girlfriend overdosed and committed suicide in September 2015. She was young, only 30 years-old. She was a very troubled girl.

not to be judgmental but my first thought when i heard that was that he shouldn't have been with someone that young to begin with, it's too easy to play games with a younger persons head which i don't know if that happened or not but i know it does happen in those situation alot.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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His girlfriend overdosed and committed suicide in September 2015. She was young, only 30 years-old. She was a very troubled girl.

not to be judgmental but my first thought when i heard that was that he shouldn't have been with someone that young to begin with, it's too easy to play games with a younger persons head which i don't know if that happened or not but i know it does happen in those situation alot.

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I don't want to derail this thread, so I will keep this short. Carrey and his GF, Cathriona had a very turbulent relationship. He broke up with her and she then accussed him of giving her STDs and ruining her life. She threatened to go the the press, so Carrey gave her 1M to keep quiet. He regretting doing that, because after she died, her family tried to sue him for wrongful death. The Judge dismissed the case.

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He genuinely cared about her and loved her; he was one of the pallbearers at her funeral. A tragic love story indeed.

NotACleverName said:

206Michelle said:

jdcxc . Herb4, P didn’t convert to the JW faith officially until 2001, but he was clearly considering the JW faith seriously in the late 1990s. Per Mayte’s book, Amiir’s death was the catalyst for the intense soul-searching that lead to his JW conversion, not the deaths of his parents. This is not to minimize the deaths of his parents in any way because losing one’s parents is typically very difficult. However, his parents were both older when they died...they were each able to live for decades. Their deaths were not unexpected, from what I understand. Parents dying in old age is more normal, more expected, and much easier to understand than a dearly-wanted infant dying six days after birth from complications related to a rare genetic disorder. [Edited 2/14/18 20:08pm] [Edited 2/14/18 20:09pm]

While Prince did become interested in the JW doctrine in the late 90s, he officially converted and was baptized in 2003, per the statement the JW organization put out after his death (end of post). The death of his Mother in Feb of 2002, who had converted from an SDA to following JW scripture, could have played a part in his decision. There is speculation (or perhaps rumor) that his Mother expressed her desire that he become a follower prior to her death. This info: "Prince was raised a Seventh Day Adventist and then later a Baptist. His mother, Mattie Shaw later converted to being a Jehovah's Witness, as was family friend Larry Graham, bass player from Sly and the Family Stone. His baby son Gregory, born to his first wife Mayte Garciain, died from a genetic disorder of the skull called Pfieffer syndrome October 1996, seven dies after birth. In 2001, his father died and "Princes mother, the jazz singer Mattie Shaw, died six months later. Her final wish was said to be that her son should become a Jehovahs Witness as she had been for most of her life. Prince grappled with depression and something approaching a midlife crisis." (mirror.co.uk 1 July 2010) This helps explain his interest in the Witnesses around this period and conversion with his wife Manuela Testolini in 2001, and baptism in 2003. Manuela filed for divorce in 2006. In 2007 Prince started dating Bria Valente, who converted to a Witness after he produced her first album." Sourced here: http://www.jwfacts.com/wa...nesses.php I cannot attest to whether or not the above is factual as I pulled the quote directly from the site (it was obviously printed before Mayte revealed Amiir's birth name and there are a few discrepancies) and can't confirm it's JW accredited; however, it is interesting that his Mother was a JW and considering that, her "request" prior to her death might not be so off base. JW statement from church spokesperson, David A. Semonian - "We are saddened to hear about the death of Prince Rogers Nelson, who was baptized as one of Jehovah s Witnesses in 2003,”.... Sourced here: http://people.com/celebri...statement/

My understanding is that Prince's mother was a Baptist, not JW.

Source: http://prince.org/msg/5001/9182

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Prince's mom passes away at 68

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

not to be judgmental but my first thought when i heard that was that he shouldn't have been with someone that young to begin with, it's too easy to play games with a younger persons head which i don't know if that happened or not but i know it does happen in those situation alot.

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I don't want to derail this thread, so I will keep this short. Carrey and his GF, Cathriona had a very turbulent relationship. He broke up with her and she then accussed him of giving her STDs and ruining her life. She threatened to go the the press, so Carrey gave her 1M to keep quiet. He regretting doing that, because after she died, her family tried to sue him for wrongful death. The Judge dismissed the case.

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He genuinely cared about her and loved her; he was one of the pallbearers at her funeral. A tragic love story indeed.

sad how shit turns out. I've been talking to various people, even some media about Sherman Alexie who is being brought back down to earth (native writer for those who don't know). It turns out a woman he had an affair with him is one of the main ones gathering info from women he harrassed, all of which I believe because I've never heard a positive thing from other Indians about him, he supposedly threatened native women writers with blackballing, I put in my two cents, that i felt he plagiarized my work. but I have to say, i'm kinda sad that a major figure is being brought down and how things turn out so fucked up.

i've heard that Mattie was JW and I've heard she was baptist too. There was the story, think it was in the hahn book that Prince promised her he'd convert to JW. Also, i always read Prince was Seventh Day Adventist as a child which is fairly close to being JW. Either way, I'm just glad he got the music out of there.

206Michelle said:

NotACleverName said:

206Michelle said: While Prince did become interested in the JW doctrine in the late 90s, he officially converted and was baptized in 2003, per the statement the JW organization put out after his death (end of post). The death of his Mother in Feb of 2002, who had converted from an SDA to following JW scripture, could have played a part in his decision. There is speculation (or perhaps rumor) that his Mother expressed her desire that he become a follower prior to her death. This info: "Prince was raised a Seventh Day Adventist and then later a Baptist. His mother, Mattie Shaw later converted to being a Jehovah's Witness, as was family friend Larry Graham, bass player from Sly and the Family Stone. His baby son Gregory, born to his first wife Mayte Garciain, died from a genetic disorder of the skull called Pfieffer syndrome October 1996, seven dies after birth. In 2001, his father died and "Princes mother, the jazz singer Mattie Shaw, died six months later. Her final wish was said to be that her son should become a Jehovahs Witness as she had been for most of her life. Prince grappled with depression and something approaching a midlife crisis." (mirror.co.uk 1 July 2010) This helps explain his interest in the Witnesses around this period and conversion with his wife Manuela Testolini in 2001, and baptism in 2003. Manuela filed for divorce in 2006. In 2007 Prince started dating Bria Valente, who converted to a Witness after he produced her first album." Sourced here: http://www.jwfacts.com/wa...nesses.php I cannot attest to whether or not the above is factual as I pulled the quote directly from the site (it was obviously printed before Mayte revealed Amiir's birth name and there are a few discrepancies) and can't confirm it's JW accredited; however, it is interesting that his Mother was a JW and considering that, her "request" prior to her death might not be so off base. JW statement from church spokesperson, David A. Semonian - "We are saddened to hear about the death of Prince Rogers Nelson, who was baptized as one of Jehovah s Witnesses in 2003,”.... Sourced here: http://people.com/celebri...statement/

My understanding is that Prince's mother was a Baptist, not JW.

Source: http://prince.org/msg/5001/9182

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Prince's mom passes away at 68

According to Channel 9's Robyn R, Prince's mom, passed away last Friday.

[Thanks lmwp for the update & link below... --Ben]

http://www.startribune.co...36303.html

Mattie Baker, 68, mother of singer Prince, dies
Jon Bream
Star Tribune

Published Feb 20, 2002
Mattie Baker, the mother of rock star Prince and a longtime social worker in the Minneapolis public school system, died Friday at Fairview Southdale Hospital in Edina. She was 68.

Her husband, Hayward Baker, said Tuesday that she had been hospitalized for a couple of months, and that she had had a kidney transplant three or four years ago.

"She had gobs of friends," her husband said. "It'll be a big funeral -- five or six limousines."

Baker earned a master's degree in social work from the University of Minnesota and spent more than 20 years as a social worker at Edison, Franklin, Harrison and other Minneapolis schools. She retired about five years ago.

"She loved working with children," said her daughter, Tyka Nelson.

Wayne Jensen, who worked with Baker at the Harrison Education Center, recalls how wonderful she was when making home visits. "One time there was a parent actually drinking mouthwash," he recalled. "She confronted the parent about how they were taking care of their student. I've never seen anyone like her who could, in a tactful way, talk about caring for their child."

Born Mattie Shaw, she was a singer who joined the Prince Roger Trio in the 1950s. She married the group's keyboardist, John Nelson, quit the band and had two children, Prince and Tyka. After divorcing Nelson, she married Baker 34 years ago, and they had a son, Omarr. They lived in a suburban Minneapolis house that Prince bought for them about 15 years ago.

Members of Prince's organization remember his mom showing up for the big events, such as Twin Cities concerts, his first wedding in 1996 and the premiere of the film "Purple Rain" in Hollywood in 1984.

"I can't believe all the stars," she gushed to the Star Tribune at the premiere as she walked into Mann's Chinese Theater, where Eddie Murphy, Morgan Fairchild, Christopher Reeve and others had turned out.

The quasi-autobiographical movie depicted a tempestuous relationship between the mother and father of the lead character, played by Prince. One of the film's songs, the hit "When Doves Cry," referred to Prince's parents: "Maybe I'm just like my father -- too bold/Maybe you're just like my mother/She's never satisfied."

At John Nelson's funeral in August 2001, Baker was in a wheelchair. She had arthritis in addition to kidney problems, Hayward Baker said.

In addition to her husband and children, survivors include her twin sister, Edna, of Las Vegas, and two grandchildren.

Services will be held at 11 a.m. Friday at Zion Baptist Church in north Minneapolis.

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

sure, too pushy but christians in general are taught to be too pushy, it's a proselytizing religion. Mormons are even worse these days.

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Mormons......IKR?

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I tend to get uncomfortable around these holy-rollers; it's like they are looking right though you; trying to read you and probably judging the hell out of you.......I don't like it. It's creepy.

Just one thing I wanted to say on that. If someone is really a Christian and believes the Bible is the inspired word of God - in the Bible it does say.."judge not, lest ye be judged." So, there you go. No need for a Christian to become high and mighty...it says all have sinned and fallen short!

Main two bibical directives 1) Love God with all your heart and might. 2) Love your neighbor as yourself.

laurarichardson said:

OperatingThetan said:

As someone with personal experience with Jehovah's Witnesses it was evident to me that Prince was expanding his views and possibly even distancing himself from the faith during the last few years of his life. Lyrically, songs such as 'Way Back Home' and the spiritual meanings conveyed in the Affirmations are not at all consistent with JW doctrine and are in many respects in direct opposition to it. Prince's social and political activism, coupled with his mentions of chakras and 'energy fields' in one of his later interviews, would not be displayed by any baptised, active JW in 'good standing.' JW's are solely waiting for God's Kingdom to solve any and all social and political concerns. They're not searching for their 'way back home' or coming to spiritual realisations of oneness with the universe or a sense of one's identity being universal. All humans are flawed by inherited, genetic sin and their only hope is Christ's ransom and Jehovah's Kingdom.

This is all true but he was still a member of his Kingdom Hall and still attending services.

The JWs had good things to say about him and they had a service. If he was in bad standing that would not have happened.

I have JWs in my family. If they wanted him gone he would have been gone.

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They wanted his tithe money