Hence my inclusion of the word "allegedly." As for the connection between China and counterfeit opioids, whether that's a "fashionable" idea I have no idea, but it is one that's been well-reported (i'll help ya out with some stuff you can read about it: A New York Times Article, A Washington Post article )

laurarichardson said:

The China thing came from the media. I am sure the investigators will release a statement to the media when they conclude the investigation. It is fashionable to blame everything on China and Russia. He disch said:

All we really know is that investigators allegedly think that the pills originated in China. How they got from China to Prince, we don't know and apparently even the investigators couldn't figure it out

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You all are debating the story that was created to propogate a false narrative to cover up what really happened, in essesnce, this entire thread helps further exonerate those actually responsible for his murder. I don't know what really happened, I just know it didn't happen the way we are made to believe. You all bought it hook line and sinker, took it as law, and ran with it, without question. That is why this case ends the way it has, and Prince will go down in history (to the masses, and even some hardcore fans) as just another rock star that simply overdosed. What a shame.

That is the problem, people just want, to believe everything they see in mainstream media, when it has been proven over and over to be a propoganda tool to further oness agendas, however nefarious or noble they may be. Why think for yourselves when it's so easy to just believe what you see on TV or what you read on questionable internet sites like dailymail. Drug dealer? Please, that article was most likely created days before he passed away.

We all miss him dearly, the world was robbed of one of the purest souls on the planet. Hopefully one day the real truth will present itself, but the chances of that are probably very slim.

[Edited 2/3/18 8:06am]

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Maybe he built-up a tolerance with the Percocet, and he needed something stronger -- and, the doctor probably would have advised him against that, because Prince needed to be in treatment and not trying to self-medicate and cure himself.

He just came from the hospital don’t you think he knew that when he left. He did not need to leave the hospital go home and wait for some else to bring him anything. He could have stayed in the hospital or if he was gravely I’ll he could have been medically transported to a medical facility that could help him. No one gets discharged from a hospital without being informed of their situation before they leave. He knew exactly what he was doing. [Edited 2/2/18 15:17pm]

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I'm not arguing any of that. I think he should have stayed in the hospital.

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

No, I don't think Prince intended to kill himself, and we don't actually know how he got his illegal pills (from a friend, or some other way). I just throught the argument in that tweet was of strange, given that the whole transaction was illegal and inherently fraught with the risk that the product you're getting is not going to be what you think. The friend also might have assumed he was getting pure product from whatever his source was (in his hypothetical scenario that we don't really know if it applies to Prince's specific situaation)

True, I don't the the friend did it on purpose, the friend probably didn't know they were bad.

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Hmmm, I beg to differ. Anytime you buy something off the black market, you are taking a huge risk. Nothing is pure on the streets.

leadline said:

You all are debating the story that was created to propogate a false narrative to cover up what really happened, in essesnce, this entire thread helps further exonerate those actually responsible for his murder. I don't know what really happened, I just know it didn't happen the way we are made to believe. You all bought it hook line and sinker, took it as law, and ran with it, without question. That is why this case ends the way it has, and Prince will go down in history (to the masses, and even some hardcore fans) as just another rock star that simply overdosed. What a shame.

That is the problem, people just want, to believe everything they see in mainstream media, when it has been proven over and over to be a propoganda tool to further oness agendas, however nefarious or noble they may be. Why think for yourselves when it's so easy to just believe what you see on TV or what you read on questionable internet sites like dailymail. Drug dealer? Please, that article was most likely created days before he passed away.

We all miss him dearly, the world was robbed of one of the purest souls on the planet. Hopefully one day the real truth will present itself, but the chances of that are probably very slim.

[Edited 2/3/18 8:06am]

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You are absolutely correct. I take what the media says with a grain of salt, because they do not really know much more than any of us do about what really happened to Prince. They are trying to get clicks and sell publications. I will say, that I follow/believe what the AP says, but not these tabloid trash news outlets. Drug overdose/addict makes a good headline for them, and generates $$$$.

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[Edited 2/3/18 11:09am]

leadline said:

You all are debating the story that was created to propogate a false narrative to cover up what really happened, in essesnce, this entire thread helps further exonerate those actually responsible for his murder. I don't know what really happened, I just know it didn't happen the way we are made to believe. You all bought it hook line and sinker, took it as law, and ran with it, without question. That is why this case ends the way it has, and Prince will go down in history (to the masses, and even some hardcore fans) as just another rock star that simply overdosed. What a shame.

That is the problem, people just want, to believe everything they see in mainstream media, when it has been proven over and over to be a propoganda tool to further oness agendas, however nefarious or noble they may be. Why think for yourselves when it's so easy to just believe what you see on TV or what you read on questionable internet sites like dailymail. Drug dealer? Please, that article was most likely created days before he passed away.

We all miss him dearly, the world was robbed of one of the purest souls on the planet. Hopefully one day the real truth will present itself, but the chances of that are probably very slim.

[Edited 2/3/18 8:06am]

i feel the same way. breaks my heart a bit to talk about Prince's homicide investigation. to see a day like this

laurarichardson said:

From Morris Hayes

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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH

5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018

Just an fyi because I know this Twitter account is a point of confusion: I asked Morris Hayes directly and he said he is NOT baron3121 on Twitter. He uses his own name on Twitter but tweets rarely.

we all do, i think. and just to think, the moment i found out, I had the oddest first thought, it was "I don't even feel sad" it's because I was in shock.

XxAxX said:

leadline said:

You all are debating the story that was created to propogate a false narrative to cover up what really happened, in essesnce, this entire thread helps further exonerate those actually responsible for his murder. I don't know what really happened, I just know it didn't happen the way we are made to believe. You all bought it hook line and sinker, took it as law, and ran with it, without question. That is why this case ends the way it has, and Prince will go down in history (to the masses, and even some hardcore fans) as just another rock star that simply overdosed. What a shame.

That is the problem, people just want, to believe everything they see in mainstream media, when it has been proven over and over to be a propoganda tool to further oness agendas, however nefarious or noble they may be. Why think for yourselves when it's so easy to just believe what you see on TV or what you read on questionable internet sites like dailymail. Drug dealer? Please, that article was most likely created days before he passed away.

We all miss him dearly, the world was robbed of one of the purest souls on the planet. Hopefully one day the real truth will present itself, but the chances of that are probably very slim.

[Edited 2/3/18 8:06am]

i feel the same way. breaks my heart a bit to talk about Prince's homicide investigation. to see a day like this

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

No, I don't think Prince intended to kill himself, and we don't actually know how he got his illegal pills (from a friend, or some other way). I just throught the argument in that tweet was of strange, given that the whole transaction was illegal and inherently fraught with the risk that the product you're getting is not going to be what you think. The friend also might have assumed he was getting pure product from whatever his source was (in his hypothetical scenario that we don't really know if it applies to Prince's specific situaation)

True, I don't the the friend did it on purpose, the friend probably didn't know they were bad.

So the "friend" got a bad batch of pills from the "internet"/"street" ,yet the drugs found in the warrant does not represent one scintilla of "bad batches" in circulation at that time? "Friend" must have had one hell of a connection unknown to the masses. Interesting.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

True, I don't the the friend did it on purpose, the friend probably didn't know they were bad.

So the "friend" got a bad batch of pills from the "internet"/"street" ,yet the drugs found in the warrant does not represent one scintilla of "bad batches" in circulation at that time? "Friend" must have had one hell of a connection unknown to the masses. Interesting.

What's this suppose to mean?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

So the "friend" got a bad batch of pills from the "internet"/"street" ,yet the drugs found in the warrant does not represent one scintilla of "bad batches" in circulation at that time? "Friend" must have had one hell of a connection unknown to the masses. Interesting.

What's this suppose to mean?

As in ,what he was taking, coincides with what everyone else in that area was taking to produce the desired effect and high of an overdose. Nothing varied, except the amount that was taken in combination. Moline part (2). Hope that made sense.

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

What's this suppose to mean?

As in ,what he was taking, coincides with what everyone else in that area was taking to produce the desired effect and high of an overdose. Nothing varied, except the amount that was taken in combination. Moline part (2). Hope that made sense.

Just say it.

Say what you really want to say.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

As in ,what he was taking, coincides with what everyone else in that area was taking to produce the desired effect and high of an overdose. Nothing varied, except the amount that was taken in combination. Moline part (2). Hope that made sense.

Just say it.

Say what you really want to say.

You may have missed it. I've been saying the same thing for almost two years. Is it new to you? I don't have (5) different theories because of a facebook post.

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Just say it.

Say what you really want to say.

You may have missed it. I've been saying the same thing for almost two years. Is it new to you? I don't have (5) different theories because of a facebook post.

Ha! You have NEVER actually said it evah.

You have danced around it.

So say it.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Menes said:

You may have missed it. I've been saying the same thing for almost two years. Is it new to you? I don't have (5) different theories because of a facebook post.

Ha! You have NEVER actually said it evah.

You have danced around it.

So say it.

Is that your eureka moment? Do you think I care what you think I have NEVER done? You control not one single thing I wish to write or not write. You may need to be fed information with a spoon , but I don't. Unless you have read all of my posts dating back to April , 2016 , you qualifying what I have NEVER written, is a feeble attempt to demand an answer.

Menes said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Ha! You have NEVER actually said it evah.

You have danced around it.

So say it.

Is that your eureka moment? Do you think I care what you think I have NEVER done? You control not one single thing I wish to write or not write. You may need to be fed information with a spoon , but I don't. Unless you have read all of my posts dating back to April , 2016 , you qualifying what I have NEVER written, is a feeble attempt to demand an answer.

Today in The New York Times is an article on Fentanyl use in the UK. Of course, it mentions the fent deaths of Prince and Tom Petty. The article goes on to relate what users feel with the drug (if they survive using it), and how they are basically junkies. That is the narrative now for Prince. Not music first. Drug use first. I hate it. I wish to God we could get the truth from someone.

PetraBravestrong said:

Hey, theres been discussions about this and KJ's alleged involvement. I think he knows. Theres a reason why he was around for 30 years . Was Andre C? No! I personally think foul play is involved. Why in the world was Princes clothes insde out and backwards ???? Why did Prince sing that legendary song by Bill Withers "Use Me Up" mentioning KJ when he sung it in Oakland. Footage was on Youtube, Now its mysteripusly vanished. I think powers that be wanted the vault, Now they got what they wanted . Follow the money! I also think P was saddened by Vanity's death. It was only 8 wks or less b4. Like P's cousin said why if these people loved him, why didnt they do something sooner ? Justice4cuz

1Sasha said:

Today in The New York Times is an article on Fentanyl use in the UK. Of course, it mentions the fent deaths of Prince and Tom Petty. The article goes on to relate what users feel with the drug (if they survive using it), and how they are basically junkies. That is the narrative now for Prince. Not music first. Drug use first. I hate it. I wish to God we could get the truth from someone.

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I think people who are naive and who really didn't know Prince's music and Prince's personal struggles will believe the tabloids.

PetraBravestrong said:

Hey, theres been discussions about this and KJ's alleged involvement. I think he knows. Theres a reason why he was around for 30 years . Was Andre C? No! I personally think foul play is involved. Why in the world was Princes clothes insde out and backwards ???? Why did Prince sing that legendary song by Bill Withers "Use Me Up" mentioning KJ when he sung it in Oakland. Footage was on Youtube, Now its mysteripusly vanished. I think powers that be wanted the vault, Now they got what they wanted . Follow the money! I also think P was saddened by Vanity's death. It was only 8 wks or less b4. Like P's cousin said why if these people loved him, why didnt they do something sooner ? Justice4cuz

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So, that YT video is gone now? I watched that one a few times and it's quite disturbing what he said about KJ "using" him.

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Of course KJ knows -- he was manager of PP and was with Prince more than anyone else was. Prince OD on the plane in Moline, and then KJ was getting Rx in his name for Prince -- he knew what was going on.

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I also think Prince was depressed over Denise's death.

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Follow the money.

cloveringold85 said:

1Sasha said:

Today in The New York Times is an article on Fentanyl use in the UK. Of course, it mentions the fent deaths of Prince and Tom Petty. The article goes on to relate what users feel with the drug (if they survive using it), and how they are basically junkies. That is the narrative now for Prince. Not music first. Drug use first. I hate it. I wish to God we could get the truth from someone.

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I think people who are naive and who really didn't know Prince's music and Prince's personal struggles will believe the tabloids.

But isn't this the reason why some of us are saying that if a family member knows the truth , they should clear things up instantly? What good is it doing to wait ? Tyka ,who has the mental agility of a soap dish, would rather you believe that it is best to wait for her "book".

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I think people who are naive and who really didn't know Prince's music and Prince's personal struggles will believe the tabloids.

But isn't this the reason why some of us are saying that if a family member knows the truth , they should clear things up instantly? What good is it doing to wait ? Tyka ,who has the mental agility of a soap dish, would rather you believe that it is best to wait for her "book".

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I could not agree with you more. I don't undertand it either. If they think speaking-out and being honest about what Prince was struggling with is going to discredit his work or legacy, or upset/hurt his fans, then they are mistaken.

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

But isn't this the reason why some of us are saying that if a family member knows the truth , they should clear things up instantly? What good is it doing to wait ? Tyka ,who has the mental agility of a soap dish, would rather you believe that it is best to wait for her "book".

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I could not agree with you more. I don't undertand it either. If they think speaking-out and being honest about what Prince was struggling with is going to discredit his work or legacy, or upset/hurt his fans, then they are mistaken.

Mmmhm.. And those who "testify" to the bullshit some of the family members are saying ( Chazz Smith) have no idea of how two-faced he is. I'm waiting to fire off some nasty shit he confirmed about Prince's drug use. I want to see the tears of blood run then. He knows what, and how much he was using.

Instead of helping poeple to understand the destructive disease that is caused by dependency, they squabble like feral pigs locked in a closet. The whole lot is dysfunctional.

Menes said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I could not agree with you more. I don't undertand it either. If they think speaking-out and being honest about what Prince was struggling with is going to discredit his work or legacy, or upset/hurt his fans, then they are mistaken.

Mmmhm.. And those who "testify" to the bullshit some of the family members are saying ( Chazz Smith) have no idea of how two-faced he is. I'm waiting to fire off some nasty shit he confirmed about Prince's drug use. I want to see the tears of blood run then. He knows what, and how much he was using.

Instead of helping poeple to understand the destructive disease that is caused by dependency, they squabble like feral pigs locked in a closet. The whole lot is dysfunctional.

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Chazz talks out both sides of his mouth. First he says how Prince had pain and they reached out to him and yadda, yadda.....then next thing you know, he's like "I wanna find out what happened to Prince -- somebody knows!".

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PennyPurple said:

Right?

cloveringold85 said:

Menes said:

Mmmhm.. And those who "testify" to the bullshit some of the family members are saying ( Chazz Smith) have no idea of how two-faced he is. I'm waiting to fire off some nasty shit he confirmed about Prince's drug use. I want to see the tears of blood run then. He knows what, and how much he was using.

Instead of helping poeple to understand the destructive disease that is caused by dependency, they squabble like feral pigs locked in a closet. The whole lot is dysfunctional.

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Chazz talks out both sides of his mouth. First he says how Prince had pain and they reached out to him and yadda, yadda.....then next thing you know, he's like "I wanna find out what happened to Prince -- somebody knows!".

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Did you see the teeth? (3) three max. Needs cash bad to fix that .

cloveringold85 said:

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Chazz talks out both sides of his mouth. First he says how Prince had pain and they reached out to him and yadda, yadda.....then next thing you know, he's like "I wanna find out what happened to Prince -- somebody knows!".

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I will NEVER believe anything that one has to say. He's still crying over getting kicked to the curb years ago. The only people paying attention to him are the ones who think Prince was poisoned or murdered. And I don't mean in the "bought a killer dose of illegal drugs" way, they think family members or employees killed him deliberately. It's only a matter of time before they look at him the same way as they do other family members because people are already suspicious of his motives.

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Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Chazz talks out both sides of his mouth. First he says how Prince had pain and they reached out to him and yadda, yadda.....then next thing you know, he's like "I wanna find out what happened to Prince -- somebody knows!".

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I will NEVER believe anything that one has to say. He's still crying over getting kicked to the curb years ago. The only people paying attention to him are the ones who think Prince was poisoned or murdered. And I don't mean in the "bought a killer dose of illegal drugs" way, they think family members or employees killed him deliberately. It's only a matter of time before they look at him the same way as they do other family members because people are already suspicious of his motives.

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So which family member do you believe?

Menes said:

Mumio said:

I will NEVER believe anything that one has to say. He's still crying over getting kicked to the curb years ago. The only people paying attention to him are the ones who think Prince was poisoned or murdered. And I don't mean in the "bought a killer dose of illegal drugs" way, they think family members or employees killed him deliberately. It's only a matter of time before they look at him the same way as they do other family members because people are already suspicious of his motives.

[Edited 2/4/18 15:39pm]

So which family member do you believe?

Two words: watchful waiting.