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Reply #360 posted 02/01/18 8:38pm

Morgaine

Bodhitheblackdog said:



Menes said:




OperatingThetan said:


luvsexy4all said: Was he? Or was he protecting Prince's privacy? Kirk was Prince's close friend for decades; his best man at his first wedding in '96. It's very likely he was also involved in trying to get Prince legitimate help. After all, it was Kirk who drove Prince to the hospital and accompanied him to the pharmacy on the last day of his life. Whatever, I for one will not be assuming a man is guilty of murder without evidence. Prince lived the way he chose based on very unfortunate circumstances in his last year. To suggest Prince didn't know the risks after overdosing and nearly dying just 5 days before simply isn't credible. Prince had just seen a hospital doctor, had legitimate prescribed medication and knew professional help was arriving just hours later the next morning, yet STILL took medication from an illegally obtained stash. I'm very smpathetic to Prince's circumstances but still feel the majority of the responsibility is likely Prince's own

The mind of an addict , specifically, one addicted for many years, is fraught with things unimaginable to a person who has a normal brain. This is a brain disease that has modified perceptions and thought processes in regards to wrong/right, moral/immoral , life/death.

The convenience of being a pathological liar, master manipulator and arbitrator of all things "self" ,is merely a by-product of mutated cells that are receptive to constant bombardment for reward.The incessant paradigm of someone addicted to drugs, is usually coupled with one rule that is adhered to. That rule is to get high to sustain every psychological and physical trigger throughout the day. Prince's reward system is no different in that regard. Death and destruction are usually the only path of escape once the addiction begins to override all things rational.

He used just about everyone around him to facilitate this disease, most of them being unknown participants. Prince is merely a victim of his own consequences. It matters not if he thought he was "self'medicating". His actions are in line with a person who has decided to let his addiction govern his actions.



BRILLIANT...people have to remember that the addicts' brain is DIFFERENT than a 'normal' brain. Addiction is a disease that changes the physical structure and function of the brain. On the outside, he still looked like Prince.On the inside, he had become someone else. The question in this moment is, can those of us whose very lives were lived with Prince in the background 24/7 be gracious and compassionate enough to be able to love both of him?



That's the easy part đź’ś
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
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Reply #361 posted 02/01/18 9:25pm

Bodhitheblackd
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Morgaine said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

BRILLIANT...people have to remember that the addicts' brain is DIFFERENT than a 'normal' brain. Addiction is a disease that changes the physical structure and function of the brain. On the outside, he still looked like Prince.On the inside, he had become someone else. The question in this moment is, can those of us whose very lives were lived with Prince in the background 24/7 be gracious and compassionate enough to be able to love both of him?

That's the easy part đź’ś

Thank you for saying this...because with Love, there is no death.

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Reply #362 posted 02/01/18 10:09pm

Morgaine

Bodhitheblackdog said:



Morgaine said:


Bodhitheblackdog said:


BRILLIANT...people have to remember that the addicts' brain is DIFFERENT than a 'normal' brain. Addiction is a disease that changes the physical structure and function of the brain. On the outside, he still looked like Prince.On the inside, he had become someone else. The question in this moment is, can those of us whose very lives were lived with Prince in the background 24/7 be gracious and compassionate enough to be able to love both of him?



That's the easy part đź’ś

Thank you for saying this...because with Love, there is no death.



We have this idea that love is only happy ever after.
Love is painful. Scary. Joyous. And everything else.
Prince talked about it incessantly. đź’ś
The kind of love that takes over your body, mind, & soul
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Reply #363 posted 02/02/18 7:35am

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Morgaine said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
He wasn't "pulled" into the situation, he chose to take a critical high profile case that he could not attend to immediately. He never should have accepted prince as a client, he should have guided princes people to a doctor that could have been there immediately. Had a recommended addiction specialist seen prince the day the call was made to kornfeld, kornfeld could actually have taken credit for getting the ball rolling in the right direction. But because he irresponsibly decided to take princes case, the ball never rolled anywhere, game over...thanks kornfeld...
He definitely should have, at a maximum, had someone at PP within 2 hours. The best time to do this is **yesterday**. Prince had just ODd. I'd bet my house Kornfeld knew this. Too little. Too late. He should have been in treatment of some sort after Moline, 24 hours max. It had already too long.

You keep forgetting he was in the hospital on 20th. What makes you think he was not getting treatment? What makes you think that 65k on his inventory sheet was not some sort of treatment.

What about the hosptial stays according to KJ in 2014 and 2015. Something else was going on here. I know it ruins your pity party for Prince but come on.

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Reply #364 posted 02/02/18 8:51am

1Sasha

I was "talking" online with someone the other day about this. We got on the topic of Tom Petty's autopsy report (knowing that California has different laws than Minnesota). He agreed that the autopsy report is not being released in Prince's case because of privacy reasons; rather, there is something in it the family doesn't want the public to know.

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Reply #365 posted 02/02/18 11:10am

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1Sasha said:

I was "talking" online with someone the other day about this. We got on the topic of Tom Petty's autopsy report (knowing that California has different laws than Minnesota). He agreed that the autopsy report is not being released in Prince's case because of privacy reasons; rather, there is something in it the family doesn't want the public to know.

We all know other things were going on that the family will never reveal.

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Reply #366 posted 02/02/18 11:21am

PeteSilas

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I was "talking" online with someone the other day about this. We got on the topic of Tom Petty's autopsy report (knowing that California has different laws than Minnesota). He agreed that the autopsy report is not being released in Prince's case because of privacy reasons; rather, there is something in it the family doesn't want the public to know.

We all know other things were going on that the family will never reveal.

multiple people? someone always got loose lips.

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Reply #367 posted 02/02/18 11:33am

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PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

We all know other things were going on that the family will never reveal.

multiple people? someone always got loose lips.

Some have slipped up and spelled some tea.

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Reply #368 posted 02/02/18 11:56am

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From Morris Hayes
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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH

5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018

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Reply #369 posted 02/02/18 12:39pm

cloveringold85

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PeteSilas said:

thing that makes me think he might have even requested a pill like that was that he had what was it? 81 times what it would have taken to kill him? It's like he didn't want no chances of anyone bringing him back again, a mistake in dosage like that doesn't even sound like a mistake.

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Yea, but with illicit pills, you have no idea what is in them. Don't forget, they were marked as Hydrocodone (mislabeled).

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #370 posted 02/02/18 12:41pm

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

thing that makes me think he might have even requested a pill like that was that he had what was it? 81 times what it would have taken to kill him? It's like he didn't want no chances of anyone bringing him back again, a mistake in dosage like that doesn't even sound like a mistake.

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Yea, but with illicit pills, you have no idea what is in them. Don't forget, they were marked as Hydrocodone (mislabeled).

But he had legit pills. So why take the ones that were not legit.

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Reply #371 posted 02/02/18 12:45pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH

5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018

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He's venting. He's upset and frustrated, just like the rest of us. It sucks.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #372 posted 02/02/18 12:46pm

cloveringold85

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, but with illicit pills, you have no idea what is in them. Don't forget, they were marked as Hydrocodone (mislabeled).

But he had legit pills. So why take the ones that were not legit.

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Maybe he built-up a tolerance with the Percocet, and he needed something stronger -- and, the doctor probably would have advised him against that, because Prince needed to be in treatment and not trying to self-medicate and cure himself.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #373 posted 02/02/18 12:51pm

cloveringold85

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Per the warrants, Dr. Howard Kornfeld's Attorney, Bill Mauzy said it was a "life saving mission". So, why fly the doctors Son, who couldn't really help Prince?

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If it was a "life saving mission" -- you get the person in treatment, ASAP. You don't wait.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #374 posted 02/02/18 2:29pm

OperatingTheta
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cloveringold85 said:



laurarichardson said:



From Morris Hayes






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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH




5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018




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He's venting. He's upset and frustrated, just like the rest of us. It sucks.




Is that Morris Hayes? I thought Baron was a different individual?
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Reply #375 posted 02/02/18 2:46pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
tAGame

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OperatingThetan said:

cloveringold85 said:

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He's venting. He's upset and frustrated, just like the rest of us. It sucks.

Is that Morris Hayes? I thought Baron was a different individual?

Baron is NOT Morris Hayes.

lol

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Reply #376 posted 02/02/18 3:05pm

leadline

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Not surprising at all, the powerful and corrupt can always get away with murder.

"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013
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Reply #377 posted 02/02/18 3:16pm

laurarichardso
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cloveringold85 said:



laurarichardson said:




cloveringold85 said:



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Yea, but with illicit pills, you have no idea what is in them. Don't forget, they were marked as Hydrocodone (mislabeled).







But he had legit pills. So why take the ones that were not legit.



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Maybe he built-up a tolerance with the Percocet, and he needed something stronger -- and, the doctor probably would have advised him against that, because Prince needed to be in treatment and not trying to self-medicate and cure himself.





He just came from the hospital don’t you think he knew that when he left. He did not need to leave the hospital go home and wait for some else to bring him anything. He could have stayed in the hospital or if he was gravely I’ll he could have been medically transported to a medical facility that could help him. No one gets discharged from a hospital without being informed of their situation before they leave. He knew exactly what he was doing.
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Reply #378 posted 02/02/18 3:36pm

OperatingTheta
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



OperatingThetan said:


cloveringold85 said:


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He's venting. He's upset and frustrated, just like the rest of us. It sucks.




Is that Morris Hayes? I thought Baron was a different individual?

Baron is NOT Morris Hayes.


lol



I seem to recall Baron's profile picture being of a white man up until Prince's passing so thought it pretty unlikely wink
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Reply #379 posted 02/02/18 4:07pm

PennyPurple

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laurarichardson said:

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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH

5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018

Yep sounds like that is what happened.

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Reply #380 posted 02/02/18 4:18pm

disch
But if what Prince wanted was legit prescription opioids to treat pain, he woukdnt wouldn’t be going to a friend for that. He’d be going to doctor. Anytime you buy drugs outside of legal channels there isn’t exactly the same quality control.


PennyPurple said:



laurarichardson said:



From Morris Hayes






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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH




5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018




Yep sounds like that is what happened.

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Reply #381 posted 02/02/18 4:49pm

PennyPurple

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disch said:

But if what Prince wanted was legit prescription opioids to treat pain, he woukdnt wouldn’t be going to a friend for that. He’d be going to doctor. Anytime you buy drugs outside of legal channels there isn’t exactly the same quality control. PennyPurple said:

He thought his friend was getting him legit pills. The friends resources had run out.

Remember none of knew he was taking these pills, he didn't want anyone to know. It was simply a bad batch of pills. I really don't think Prince meant to kill himself.

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Reply #382 posted 02/02/18 4:58pm

disch

No, I don't think Prince intended to kill himself, and we don't actually know how he got his illegal pills (from a friend, or some other way). I just throught the argument in that tweet was of strange, given that the whole transaction was illegal and inherently fraught with the risk that the product you're getting is not going to be what you think. The friend also might have assumed he was getting pure product from whatever his source was (in his hypothetical scenario that we don't really know if it applies to Prince's specific situaation)

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

But if what Prince wanted was legit prescription opioids to treat pain, he woukdnt wouldn’t be going to a friend for that. He’d be going to doctor. Anytime you buy drugs outside of legal channels there isn’t exactly the same quality control. PennyPurple said:

He thought his friend was getting him legit pills. The friends resources had run out.

Remember none of knew he was taking these pills, he didn't want anyone to know. It was simply a bad batch of pills. I really don't think Prince meant to kill himself.

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Reply #383 posted 02/02/18 5:23pm

PennyPurple

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disch said:

No, I don't think Prince intended to kill himself, and we don't actually know how he got his illegal pills (from a friend, or some other way). I just throught the argument in that tweet was of strange, given that the whole transaction was illegal and inherently fraught with the risk that the product you're getting is not going to be what you think. The friend also might have assumed he was getting pure product from whatever his source was (in his hypothetical scenario that we don't really know if it applies to Prince's specific situaation)

PennyPurple said:

He thought his friend was getting him legit pills. The friends resources had run out.

Remember none of knew he was taking these pills, he didn't want anyone to know. It was simply a bad batch of pills. I really don't think Prince meant to kill himself.

True, I don't the the friend did it on purpose, the friend probably didn't know they were bad.

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Reply #384 posted 02/02/18 5:42pm

laurarichardso
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He had legit pain meds in his possession and you have reminded us about the horrors of buying drugs from the street one hundred thousand times already. [Snip - luv4u]

disch said:

But if what Prince wanted was legit prescription opioids to treat pain, he woukdnt wouldn’t be going to a friend for that. He’d be going to doctor. Anytime you buy drugs outside of legal channels there isn’t exactly the same quality control.

PennyPurple said:



laurarichardson said:



From Morris Hayes






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a “friend” asks U 2 get him drugs. instead of getting the DRUGS from a shady doctor or a LEGIT prescription, U GO 2 the interNet or STREETS [where there is a HIGH possibility of said drugs being counterfeit] is THAT MURDER? STUPIDITY is NOT motive. murky waters cloud the TRUTH




5:29 PM - 29 Jan 2018




Yep sounds like that is what happened.

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Reply #385 posted 02/02/18 5:45pm

PeteSilas

disch said:

No, I don't think Prince intended to kill himself, and we don't actually know how he got his illegal pills (from a friend, or some other way). I just throught the argument in that tweet was of strange, given that the whole transaction was illegal and inherently fraught with the risk that the product you're getting is not going to be what you think. The friend also might have assumed he was getting pure product from whatever his source was (in his hypothetical scenario that we don't really know if it applies to Prince's specific situaation)

PennyPurple said:

He thought his friend was getting him legit pills. The friends resources had run out.

Remember none of knew he was taking these pills, he didn't want anyone to know. It was simply a bad batch of pills. I really don't think Prince meant to kill himself.

he almost killed himself days before with legit (?) pills.

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Reply #386 posted 02/02/18 5:58pm

laurarichardso
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What happened that he brought them via The internet from China.

PennyPurple said:



disch said:


No, I don't think Prince intended to kill himself, and we don't actually know how he got his illegal pills (from a friend, or some other way). I just throught the argument in that tweet was of strange, given that the whole transaction was illegal and inherently fraught with the risk that the product you're getting is not going to be what you think. The friend also might have assumed he was getting pure product from whatever his source was (in his hypothetical scenario that we don't really know if it applies to Prince's specific situaation)



PennyPurple said:



He thought his friend was getting him legit pills. The friends resources had run out.


Remember none of knew he was taking these pills, he didn't want anyone to know. It was simply a bad batch of pills. I really don't think Prince meant to kill himself.





True, I don't the the friend did it on purpose, the friend probably didn't know they were bad.

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Reply #387 posted 02/02/18 6:15pm

PennyPurple

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laurarichardson said:

What happened that he brought them via The internet from China. PennyPurple said:

Who said the friend didn't get them from the internet?

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Reply #388 posted 02/02/18 6:20pm

disch

All we really know is that investigators allegedly think that the pills originated in China. How they got from China to Prince, we don't know and apparently even the investigators couldn't figure it out

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

What happened that he brought them via The internet from China. PennyPurple said:

Who said the friend didn't get them from the internet?

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Reply #389 posted 02/02/18 6:38pm

laurarichardso
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The China thing came from the media. I am sure the investigators will release
a statement to the media when they conclude the investigation. It is fashionable to blame everything on China and Russia.

He

disch said:

All we really know is that investigators allegedly think that the pills originated in China. How they got from China to Prince, we don't know and apparently even the investigators couldn't figure it out



PennyPurple said:




laurarichardson said:


What happened that he brought them via The internet from China. PennyPurple said:

Who said the friend didn't get them from the internet?



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