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Reply #30 posted 01/20/18 2:45pm

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PeteSilas said:

TheFman said:

Frantic Moment is an almost exact blueprint for DMB on that one guitar. Like so often, we found where P got his 'inspiration'. I personally wouldn't release any material that comes so obviously from elsewhere, but still glad P did it since he knew how to make something much more out of it.
Nevertheless, too many times we hear that P is not the one behind the source of his material.

Turning it around, he's a master of doing this 'milking' of material (in a good way) also when it concerns his own stuff; like releasing 3 great albums out of 1 single song (Coco Boys)

everyone does it, everyone, sometimes they get nabbed for it as in the case of John Lennon getting sued by Chuck Berry for stealing some lines of his for the song Come Together but usually other musicians are pretty cool. I think Huey lewis successfully sued Ray Parker for Ghostbusters a few years back, if people sued everytime a song had a passing resemblance, they'd be in court all the time, which was the case for poor Michael Jackson, sued over everything under the sun, from stealing songs to child molestation, it's not all roses when you have that kind of money and fame, people make your life a living hell. Prince was sued a couple times, not for do me baby though.

Who sued him because I do not recall seeing too many other people listed on the credits on his songs. He had co-writers here and there but not many. I suspect these people were not successful and what did they write after they left Prince' s employment. The guy said he woke up with song in his head.

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Reply #31 posted 01/20/18 3:00pm

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laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

everyone does it, everyone, sometimes they get nabbed for it as in the case of John Lennon getting sued by Chuck Berry for stealing some lines of his for the song Come Together but usually other musicians are pretty cool. I think Huey lewis successfully sued Ray Parker for Ghostbusters a few years back, if people sued everytime a song had a passing resemblance, they'd be in court all the time, which was the case for poor Michael Jackson, sued over everything under the sun, from stealing songs to child molestation, it's not all roses when you have that kind of money and fame, people make your life a living hell. Prince was sued a couple times, not for do me baby though.

Who sued him because I do not recall seeing too many other people listed on the credits on his songs. He had co-writers here and there but not many. I suspect these people were not successful and what did they write after they left Prince' s employment. The guy said he woke up with song in his head.

he was successfully sued in some italian or european court over the most beautiful girl in the world and i read on here that he was sued over i hate u, but i looked for that thread some time ago and couldn't find it. doesn't mean much in and of itself, successful people will be sued. the italian song had a little resemblance to tmbgitw but it wasn't that close. you can find that one on here somewhere i'm sure. whether he ever actually paid for that i don't know, i'm sure there would be international issues in terms of collecting that.

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Reply #32 posted 01/20/18 3:15pm

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I dunno, Frantic Moment sounds like a trippier, less complete version of I'd Rather Be With You to my ears; I could see Do Me, Baby growing out of a jam of either song and then Prince refining it into something quite different.

It's weird, Andre has his own style of songwriting that you can hear across his albums, even on his recent ones, and it isn't really evident on the finished version of Do Me, Baby - would love to hear that earlier take.

[Edited 1/20/18 15:24pm]

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Reply #33 posted 01/20/18 3:25pm

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right now i'm listening to one of my favorite springsteen tunes "radio nowhere" realizing how he ripped off rick springfields Jessie's girl but when i cover the tune, i say it's the last great rock and roll song and although he ripped it off, he made it better. edit, sorry, i'm a little exhaused and drawing blanks, it wasn't rick springfield it was tommy tutone and 867-5309/jenny, that bruce ripped off.

[Edited 1/20/18 15:34pm]

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Reply #34 posted 01/20/18 3:34pm

jaawwnn

PeteSilas said:

right now i'm listening to one of my favorite springsteen tunes "radio nowhere" realizing how he ripped off rick springfields Jessie's girl but when i cover the tune, i say it's the last great rock and roll song and although he ripped it off, he made it better.


I don't really hear Jesse's Girl in it at all, maybe a little in the guitar rhythm, but sure Jesse's Girl is just building on a million other new wave pop tunes. Like you said, its all a continuum of inspiration. Watch Your Step by Bobby Parker influenced about 20 Beatles songs without ever being ripped off, you make it your own, Prince certainly did.

Edit: ah I can hear the Jenny inspiration alright. Meh, its in that awful Counting Crows Mr Jones song as well, there's probably an inspiration for Jenny as well.
[Edited 1/20/18 15:37pm]
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Reply #35 posted 01/20/18 3:35pm

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jaawwnn said:

PeteSilas said:

right now i'm listening to one of my favorite springsteen tunes "radio nowhere" realizing how he ripped off rick springfields Jessie's girl but when i cover the tune, i say it's the last great rock and roll song and although he ripped it off, he made it better.

I don't really hear Jesse's Girl in it at all, maybe a little in the guitar rhythm, but sure Jesse's Girl is just building on a million other new wave pop tunes. Like you said, its all a continuum of inspiration. Watch Your Step by Bobby Parker influenced about 20 Beatles songs without ever being ripped off, you make it your own, Prince certainly did.

you're right, i'm a little exhausted today sorry. see above edit.

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Reply #36 posted 01/20/18 4:38pm

PeteSilas

also, prince was criticized on here for stealing colonized mind from miriam makeba and chelsea rogers from some 70's group. George Harrison comes to mind as one of the bigger plagiarization cases in rock history, his "My Sweet Lord" was a copy of the song "He's So Fine"

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Reply #37 posted 01/20/18 10:24pm

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databank said:


So Morris tells the truth but Andre and Pepe are liars?

According to Charles Smith Andre lies about a lot of stuff. Andre even retracted the statement about getting Prince his first guitar. So he got caught in one lie. I am not going to go into Pepé ( I am going to get paid off 94 East forever) Willie because Prince did not get me a deal.
You are old school you know the story has been going around for years that Morris got his deal by giving up “Party Up” he was the only one in the The Time with a recording contract. Wonder why. Whole point here is if it is not copyrighted you need to keep your mouth closed.

I was not aware of Andre having talked. BS before, but then I understand your position better, thanks for clarifying. I'm sorry to hear that because the impression Andre gave me in interviews was to be a very honest and straight forward person.
Pepe IDK, I guess if I had the copyright to some recordings with a major celebrity I'll try to make a living off them, too. I see your point, sometimes I found all those unnecessary releases irritating, too, but it's a hard life and I'd rather bot judge people: you do with what you got.
Regarding copyrights they don't often mean something (sometimes Prince took some but other times he also gave some royalties away).
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Reply #38 posted 01/20/18 10:27pm

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databank said:




Perspective said:




Great spot Richardson - new one on me!

Between this and Journey's "Faithfully"...I'm beginning to think this fella Prince was a bit of a fraud eek


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All artists borrow from their predecessors. If that makes them frauds, then all artists, beginning with myself, are frauds.




It was a joke Databank - didn't realise you are soooo sensitive...

Regarding DMB, I never heard the song Laura posted...and can definitely hear the same hook. Now I have no idea about the complexities of what sample constitutes copyright infringement/acknowledgement...

I just know that I heard a distinct similarity.

Now carry on the arguement...it is most entertaining!!! lol


We're cool, I was just replying to your statement.
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