Mumio said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Not going to happen.

Dont get your hopes up.

This will go no where.

No prosecution or investigation will bring him back. Did we ever really find out what happened to Marilyn Monroe? Our country has got to get a handle on the Opiate crisis. Everyday people are OD-ing and ruining their lives, my family included. I just wish someone could have been closer to Prince to make a difference that terrible month...

Seahorsie said:

He deserves justice like any other citizen. No people that are dead are not coming back so by your thought process all criminals should run free? You also realize that other people are dying and unless people are punished it is only going to get worst.
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But we now have two separate media reports telling us he missed a Holistic appointment the appointment with Kornfield was not Holistic so where is this information about this Holistic appointment coming from?
Why would someone make it up? Remember the whole crew waited for Prince for 45 minutes before Kirk went looking for him. If Kirk thought he was in his living quarters why did he not just go check on him and bring him down to meet Andrew or why did Andrew not meet him that night?



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updisch said:

laurarichardson said:

But we now have two separate media reports telling us he missed a Holistic appointment the appointment with Kornfield was not Holistic so where is this information about this Holistic appointment coming from? Why would someone make it up? Remember the whole crew waited for Prince for 45 minutes before Kirk went looking for him. If Kirk thought he was in his living quarters why did he not just go check on him and bring him down to meet Andrew or why did Andrew not meet him that night? it updisch said:

I agree, that's what I'm saying: Prince did not have a "holistic health appointment" that morning. What he had an intervention arranged with the Kornfelds and involving Dr S.

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The author implied that Prince missing this alleged "holistic holistic appointment" was what triggered the police being called -- but we know for a fact that's not correct. This author was just a little sloppy in writing those couple background sentences.

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It is possible that the second report mentioning the holistic appointment was taken from the first report. Reporter needed to add some fill-in to the article, give a bit of background on the leadup to how/when Prince passed, googled it, found that 1st article and used that to fill in their report. I believe that is what disch is trying to say.

sigh. What 2 separate media reports?

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I've already said several times where I think the "holistic appointment" info came from, but once again: When Prince first died, before it was known that he ODed, some ideas were floating around that we now know were erroneous (for example, that he died of the flu). It was during this intial confused time that the "holistic appointment" phrase was used. As more info became public, we learned that he didn't have a "holistic appointment," but an intervention. Once again, I think the author of this very brief recent article was just sloppy, wasn't very knowledgable about this case, and was repeating some outdated info for background.

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As for your other comments, this has been discussed so incredibly much over the past 2 years, I'm surprised you're interested in rehashing it. But here's a quick summary of what I've said on that before: The whole 45-minute thing isn't some weird thing. That's probably the time that they had arranged to meet Prince and Andrew had simply arrived there early to talk with Kirk and Meron about the plan and get everything set up. And/or maybe they figured Prince was running late (he wasn't exactly a morning person) so they gave him some time before they started hunting around.

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I honestly have nothing to add and, frankly, bickering about these little points isn't really interesting anymore. It's kinda depressing actually.

laurarichardson said:

But we now have two separate media reports telling us he missed a Holistic appointment the appointment with Kornfield was not Holistic so where is this information about this Holistic appointment coming from? Why would someone make it up? Remember the whole crew waited for Prince for 45 minutes before Kirk went looking for him. If Kirk thought he was in his living quarters why did he not just go check on him and bring him down to meet Andrew or why did Andrew not meet him that night? it updisch said:

I agree, that's what I'm saying: Prince did not have a "holistic health appointment" that morning. What he had an intervention arranged with the Kornfelds and involving Dr S.

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The author implied that Prince missing this alleged "holistic holistic appointment" was what triggered the police being called -- but we know for a fact that's not correct. This author was just a little sloppy in writing those couple background sentences.

[Edited 1/18/18 18:34pm]

disch said:

I've already said several times where I think the "holistic appointment" info came from, but once again: When Prince first died, before it was known that he ODed, some ideas were floating around that we now know were erroneous (for example, that he died of the flu). It was during this intial confused time that the "holistic appointment" phrase was used. As more info became public, we learned that he didn't have a "holistic appointment," but an intervention. Once again, I think the author of this very brief recent article was just sloppy, wasn't very knowledgable about this case, and was repeating some outdated info for background.

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I think it's quite likely you are right disch.

I just realized there is a simple explanation.

The Sheriff's Office is tired of taking phone calls and emails from the murder conspiracy groupies.

They decided to hand it over to the prosecutor's office so they can take a turn with the onslaught.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I just realized there is a simple explanation.

The Sheriff's Office is tired of taking phone calls and emails from the murder conspiracy groupies.

They decided to hand it over to the prosecutor's office so they can take a turn with the onslaught.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Or the police have concluded their investigation and now the prosecutor will have to decide what to do with information.

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I just realized there is a simple explanation.

The Sheriff's Office is tired of taking phone calls and emails from the murder conspiracy groupies.

They decided to hand it over to the prosecutor's office so they can take a turn with the onslaught.

Or the police have concluded their investigation and now the prosecutor will have to decide what to do with information.

i was hoping they would nail the sob who provided the fentanyl to him

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: Or the police have concluded their investigation and now the prosecutor will have to decide what to do with information.

i was hoping they would nail the sob who provided the fentanyl to him

Maybe they have we have to wait and see what the prosecutor decides to do with the information.

I think we are forgetting that these overdoses are being taken seriously and in this case we know associates were not helpful. I can see obstruction charges which I believe would just be a slap on the wrist and Dr. S medical care and Andrew and his backpack full of dope are questionable as well.

All of these parties were quick to lawyer up so we will see.

I think we can cross prosecution of Andrew off the list. If the Carver County prosecutor had charges to bring against him for his "backpack full of dope," it wouldn't have taken nearly 2 years to do so. Considering he had no connection to Prince/Carver County when Prince was alive, I don't think there's 2 years worth of stuff for the Carver County cops to investigate with him on this case.

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I think it's a similar story to known entities like Dr S and Kirk -- if there was something for the county to charge them with it seems strange it would've taken this long. It seems most likely that if someone were to be charged it might be someone whose name isn't publicly known yet (but even that seems a stretch).

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I'm no expert on this (maybe someone who is wants to chime in), but if Prince's supplier was outside Carver County (or outside the state or hell, even the country) I don't know if that would fall into the jurisdiction of the Carver cops and prosecutor to address.

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

i was hoping they would nail the sob who provided the fentanyl to him

Maybe they have we have to wait and see what the prosecutor decides to do with the information.

I think we are forgetting that these overdoses are being taken seriously and in this case we know associates were not helpful. I can see obstruction charges which I believe would just be a slap on the wrist and Dr. S medical care and Andrew and his backpack full of dope are questionable as well.

All of these parties were quick to lawyer up so we will see.

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Andrew concerns would be with the DEA. He brought controlled substances across state lines with no licesne to do so. How many Federal Laws were broken?

If no one charges him can you say privaliage or Nelson family just does not give a crap.

disch said:

I think we can cross prosecution of Andrew off the list. If the Carver County prosecutor had charges to bring against him for his "backpack full of dope," it wouldn't have taken nearly 2 years to do so. Considering he had no connection to Prince/Carver County when Prince was alive, I don't think there's 2 years worth of stuff for the Carver County cops to investigate with him on this case.

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I think it's a similar story to known entities like Dr S and Kirk -- if there was something for the county to charge them with it seems strange it would've taken this long. It seems most likely that if someone were to be charged it might be someone whose name isn't publicly known yet (but even that seems a stretch).

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I'm no expert on this (maybe someone who is wants to chime in), but if Prince's supplier was outside Carver County (or outside the state or hell, even the country) I don't know if that would fall into the jurisdiction of the Carver cops and prosecutor to address.

laurarichardson said:

Maybe they have we have to wait and see what the prosecutor decides to do with the information.

I think we are forgetting that these overdoses are being taken seriously and in this case we know associates were not helpful. I can see obstruction charges which I believe would just be a slap on the wrist and Dr. S medical care and Andrew and his backpack full of dope are questionable as well.

All of these parties were quick to lawyer up so we will see.

[Edited 1/19/18 7:57am]

This recent article only mentioned the carver county police's investigation wrapping up; it didn’t mention the dea's. That’s why I was talking about carver county. And i sincerely doubt that prince's various relatives have any control over actions our government takes. Let’s not overplay the influence of these people.
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As for Andrew, you’ve posted many times your feelings about him. Personally I don’t think he’s any sort of threat to society, his alleged crime in this case didn't harm any person, and it would be a waste to divert taxpayer money and resources to pursuing him legally. Not every single person who breaks any law gets arrested/charged (i.e., sometimes a speeder just gets a warning). I also don’t think he contributed in any way to prince dying. I know you feel differently as you’ve stated that many times. Just an agreed to disagree thing. Not really interested in rehashing it again
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Laurarichardson said:

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PennyPurple said:

Genesia said:

Is it still the 1950s where you live?

Seriously, they won't even take a wrist xray, they send you to Diagnostic Imaging or the hospital.

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That is how it is where I live also. You have to go to a Diagnostic Imaging center, as you stated. I don't think most Doctor's these days have the time to do all of that, nor the space to have all that big equipment around. These people who perform X-rays are highly-skilled technicians. I've had an CT scan done, and that machine is as big as a room!!

laurarichardson said:

Andrew concerns would be with the DEA. He brought controlled substances across state lines with no licesne to do so. How many Federal Laws were broken?

If no one charges him can you say privaliage or Nelson family just does not give a crap.

disch said:

I think we can cross prosecution of Andrew off the list. If the Carver County prosecutor had charges to bring against him for his "backpack full of dope," it wouldn't have taken nearly 2 years to do so. Considering he had no connection to Prince/Carver County when Prince was alive, I don't think there's 2 years worth of stuff for the Carver County cops to investigate with him on this case.

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I think it's a similar story to known entities like Dr S and Kirk -- if there was something for the county to charge them with it seems strange it would've taken this long. It seems most likely that if someone were to be charged it might be someone whose name isn't publicly known yet (but even that seems a stretch).

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I'm no expert on this (maybe someone who is wants to chime in), but if Prince's supplier was outside Carver County (or outside the state or hell, even the country) I don't know if that would fall into the jurisdiction of the Carver cops and prosecutor to address.

[Edited 1/19/18 7:57am]

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Well, Andrew was sure to cover his ass because he made the 911 Call, which gives him indemnity. I'm sure he was given instructions to do so by his Doctor-Father.

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The fact of the matter is, this case is so f-up beyond repair that the truth may never come out. Prince knew a lot of people, and it's all "he said, she said". I don't think they will ever find out the source of the Fentanyl. It is sad and unfortunate, and it sucks that we just have to accept things "as is".

funksterr said:

I'm pretty sure that it would not have been unusual for Prince to have Life plans and/or Death plans. Something more is in play than those in terms of how he ended up the way he did.

Huh?

cloveringold85 said:

Andrew does not have immunity from Federal laws.

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

i was hoping they would nail the sob who provided the fentanyl to him

Maybe they have we have to wait and see what the prosecutor decides to do with the information.

I think we are forgetting that these overdoses are being taken seriously and in this case we know associates were not helpful. I can see obstruction charges which I believe would just be a slap on the wrist and Dr. S medical care and Andrew and his backpack full of dope are questionable as well.

All of these parties were quick to lawyer up so we will see.

this is a bit off topic but every now and then i feel a moment of surreality abut the fact that we're discussing a homicide investigation related to Prince's passing never ever ever thought i would live to see such a day

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

rogifan said:

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain. https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

On the day he died he was informed his hip had graduated to a full on break and it is our feeling that the pain was simply unbearable and was the cause for his over use of medication,”

Sounds like he legit health issues. No one is going to walk around in pain all day. I hope people are respectful.

did you guys see the breaking news about Tom Petty?! It appears that his death was because of a Fetanyl drug overdose too.Front page story on Yahoo.

Oh I see you guys are already talking about it

Utterly tragic. This opioid epidemic is truly one of the biggest crises our country has faced in recent decades, and no one is immume.

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I hope we as a society are respectful and compassionate to ALL people who have been lost to this devastating epidemic, including people suffering from physical pain, emotional pain, people who are addicted, people who are desperate. ALL life has value and EVERY person is worth saving. Every one. We need to focus on saving every single life, from a rock star to a homeless person.

rogifan said:

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain. https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

disch said:

At work we recently had a speaker who founded shatterproof.org which is all about advocacy and prevention of addiction. The founder’s son had an addiction problem and eventually committed suicide (this was after he had gotten clean). It was a heartbreaking story he told. He talked about a neighbors child who had been diagnosed with cancer and all the love and attention this kid got - people doing fundraisers, bringing food to the house etc. Yet his son suffering from addiction was shunned and totally stigmatized. He went through 8 different treatment programs and finally was able to get clean. But it was still difficult to fully get back into society and he was incredibly embarrassed and ashamed. And eventually he took his own life. I had tears in my eyes as the father was telling this story. As a society we need to show a lot more compassion and treat addiction as a disease rather than a criminal act.

Yes Tom Petty too. This story sounds all to familiar.

Our family sat together this morning with the Medical Examiner – Coroner’s office and we were informed of their final analysis that Tom Petty passed away due to an accidental drug overdose as a result of taking a variety of medications.

Unfortunately Tom’s body suffered from many serious ailments including emphysema, knee problems and most significantly a fractured hip.

Despite this painful injury he insisted on keeping his commitment to his fans and he toured for 53 dates with a fractured hip and, as he did, it worsened to a more serious injury.

On the day he died he was informed his hip had graduated to a full on break and it is our feeling that the pain was simply unbearable and was the cause for his over use of medication.

We knew before the report was shared with us that he was prescribed various pain medications for a multitude of issues including Fentanyl patches and we feel confident that this was, as the coroner found, an unfortunate accident.

As a family we recognize this report may spark a further discussion on the opioid crisis and we feel that it is a healthy and necessary discussion and we hope in some way this report can save lives. Many people who overdose begin with a legitimate injury or simply do not understand the potency and deadly nature of these medications.

On a positive note we now know for certain he went painlessly and beautifully exhausted after doing what he loved the most, for one last time, performing live with his unmatchable rock band for his loyal fans on the biggest tour of his 40 plus year career. He was extremely proud of that achievement in the days before he passed.

We continue to mourn with you and marvel at Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' incredible positive impact on music and the world. And we thank you all for your love and support over the last months.

Thank you also for respecting the memory of a man who was truly great during his time on this planet both publicly and privately.

We would be grateful if you could respect the privacy of the entire Heartbreaker family during this difficult time.

Dana Petty and Adria Petty

https://www.billboard.com...l-overdose

Wow that is sad. It's really heartbreaking that people look at someone dealing with addiction as less than human and not worthy of compassion. It's so sad to me that any person in that situation would feel that their best option is to take their own life.

rogifan said:

disch said:

Utterly tragic. This opioid epidemic is truly one of the biggest crises our country has faced in recent decades, and no one is immume.

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I hope we as a society are respectful and compassionate to ALL people who have been lost to this devastating epidemic, including people suffering from physical pain, emotional pain, people who are addicted, people who are desperate. ALL life has value and EVERY person is worth saving. Every one. We need to focus on saving every single life, from a rock star to a homeless person.

At work we recently had a speaker who founded shatterproof.org which is all about advocacy and prevention of addiction. The founder’s son had an addiction problem and eventually committed suicide (this was after he had gotten clean). It was a heartbreaking story he told. He talked about a neighbors child who had been diagnosed with cancer and all the love and attention this kid got - people doing fundraisers, bringing food to the house etc. Yet his son suffering from addiction was shunned and totally stigmatized. He went through 8 different treatment programs and finally was able to get clean. But it was still difficult to fully get back into society and he was incredibly embarrassed and ashamed. And eventually he took his own life. I had tears in my eyes as the father was telling this story. As a society we need to show a lot more compassion and treat addiction as a disease rather than a criminal act.

I think there is a difference between people like Tom whose hip had completly broken and people using these drugs recreationally. Both need to be dealt with compassion but I am sure people who have medical problems may be delaying them due to the fear of the stigma that has developed around these meds. Not all suffers of pain pill addiction are using these drugs because they want to but because they have to.

I know reserchers are working on the use of stem cells and electrical charges and alternatives to pain pills for chronic pain. I think the issue of the pain meds has two different roads.

1) Finding alternatives to pain pills for medical issues that are not are terminal.

2) Ending the rampant flow of illegal pain pills into the streets and stopping pain pills from being prescribed for all but serious pain issues. ( no getting percocet for a wisdom tooth)

disch said:

Utterly tragic. This opioid epidemic is truly one of the biggest crises our country has faced in recent decades, and no one is immume.

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I hope we as a society are respectful and compassionate to ALL people who have been lost to this devastating epidemic, including people suffering from physical pain, emotional pain, people who are addicted, people who are desperate. ALL life has value and EVERY person is worth saving. Every one. We need to focus on saving every single life, from a rock star to a homeless person.

rogifan said:

OT but it’s confirmed Tom Petty died from an accidental overdose. He had traces of fentanyl, oxycodone, temazepam, alprazolam, citalopram, acetyl fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl in his system. Apparently he was suffering from several. Different ailments and was in a lot of pain. https://www.nytimes.com/2...rdose.html

laurarichardson said:

Seahorsie said:

No prosecution or investigation will bring him back. Did we ever really find out what happened to Marilyn Monroe? Our country has got to get a handle on the Opiate crisis. Everyday people are OD-ing and ruining their lives, my family included. I just wish someone could have been closer to Prince to make a difference that terrible month...

He deserves justice like any other citizen. No people that are dead are not coming back so by your thought process all criminals should run free? You also realize that other people are dying and unless people are punished it is only going to get worst. [Edited 1/19/18 9:23am]

I was not saying that someone who is a dealer should go unpunished, not by a long shot. I wish whoever sold drugs to my own son & started him down that road would have gotten caught, but it did not happen. Maybe if they can find the doctor or the source of these drugs to the celebrities it will start to make a difference, IDK. I sure hope so...no disrespect but the problem is so huge.

PennyPurple said:

Yes Tom Petty too. This story sounds all to familiar.

Our family sat together this morning with the Medical Examiner – Coroner’s office and we were informed of their final analysis that Tom Petty passed away due to an accidental drug overdose as a result of taking a variety of medications.

Unfortunately Tom’s body suffered from many serious ailments including emphysema, knee problems and most significantly a fractured hip.

Despite this painful injury he insisted on keeping his commitment to his fans and he toured for 53 dates with a fractured hip and, as he did, it worsened to a more serious injury.

On the day he died he was informed his hip had graduated to a full on break and it is our feeling that the pain was simply unbearable and was the cause for his over use of medication.

We knew before the report was shared with us that he was prescribed various pain medications for a multitude of issues including Fentanyl patches and we feel confident that this was, as the coroner found, an unfortunate accident.

As a family we recognize this report may spark a further discussion on the opioid crisis and we feel that it is a healthy and necessary discussion and we hope in some way this report can save lives. Many people who overdose begin with a legitimate injury or simply do not understand the potency and deadly nature of these medications.

On a positive note we now know for certain he went painlessly and beautifully exhausted after doing what he loved the most, for one last time, performing live with his unmatchable rock band for his loyal fans on the biggest tour of his 40 plus year career. He was extremely proud of that achievement in the days before he passed.

We continue to mourn with you and marvel at Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' incredible positive impact on music and the world. And we thank you all for your love and support over the last months.

Thank you also for respecting the memory of a man who was truly great during his time on this planet both publicly and privately.

We would be grateful if you could respect the privacy of the entire Heartbreaker family during this difficult time.

Dana Petty and Adria Petty

https://www.billboard.com...l-overdose

bless him