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PrintableTime for some of you to get off the computer in the day room. You actually think your thought on Prince’s demise means something. What a sad life you lead. I weep for you while I eat my steak 🥩 and drink my Coca Cola. Just back away from the computer 💻. | |
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You should have a nice fine wine with that steak! | |
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And you should drink a whole glass of chill | |
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you know, to cool down your attitude.
Well, I think it tells us EVERYTHING! | |
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You're being mean again. | |
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I do have a question unrelated to "cancer"... When the cops turn over a file to a prosecutor for review, does that mean that they believe that there is sufficient evidence to charge someone with a crime? | |
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I've got a question too: looking at the various questions and things you've said over time, and in particular this last round above, I just have to ask you Menes: are you a lawyer or somehow involved in the legal profession? Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end  | |
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The answer is No. The prosecutors have always had access to the information gathered by the Chanhassen Sheriff's Department. If they believed they had solid info the prosecutors would have taken it to the Grand Jury. So an announcement that the file had been given to the prosecutor for review was indeed odd. As I have said previously, I think the murder conspiracy peeps have bombarded the Sheriff's Department and they want the prosecutors to take the heat for awhile. [Edited 1/23/18 21:26pm] | |
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Oh Menes: you hit the ball out of the park again!!! | |
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I have a family member that works for Ridgeview Clinics and hospitals I also am a patient at one of the facilities that Dr.S worked at. When asked all I was told was that Dr.S was star struck | |
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I rebut when I have something to add. I do not lose sleep if people do not agree with me. I also find it strange how angry certain people are getting over this cancer business.
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I could say the same about you and others when it comes to the abusing pain killers business. | |
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A whole lot of people of been extremely mean to me. I let a lot of it go. At the end of the day the information about cancer is out there and all of the snarky comments will not change that. ---- 1.Did the private Facebook group ever connect the dots when it comes to what the actual protocol call is once an autopsy report has been completed in the state of Minnesota? I mean, after all, the "cancer" would have shown up somewhere , right?
Once again we the public are only seeing the short report. Not the long report. The state of MN does not make the full report public. If he did not die from cancer why would it be in the short report? We have no access to his health files or the full report. For all we know the long report might show that he did have cancer and it very well could have been in the beginning stages. Even when people have cancer that do not always die from the cancer because the cancer itself can cause other health issues which people actually die from.
Let's say you're Dr. Schulenberg and you're treating Prince just because you're "starstruck"...Do you think there is a protocol that he or the hospital has to follow and is governed by? Is he able to make up the rules as he goes without facing the risk of revocation and other penalties being assessed? Do you think Dr. Schulenberg was ever penalized? How about the facility? Please advise.
2. In a way he did make up the rules but he covered himself well. He wrote non-controlled Rxs for Prince under another person's name which is actually illegal. He has no background in addiction management but he had no problem writing those pain Rxs for KJ and then they just happen to show up in Prince's personal belongings. As long as there is no proof of him writing controlled substances for Prince he is going to get off. He was very quick to get an attorney and make it clear that he only wrote controlled substances for Kirk not Prince and I am sure all of Prince medical records document that Dr. S treated Prince for joint pain and not withdrawals. He crossed his T's and dotted his I's. He got let go from the hospital and that is about the only thing that is going to happen to him. KJ is the one who might be in trouble.
3. What if the autopsy report revealed that Prince had cancer, yet you, the family physician ,prescribed things contrary to the facility's protocol which is governed by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice in conjunction with its own board of directors... Do you think the board of directors, the facility, or you would be in any position to treat patients pursuant to such a grave error without very stiff penalties and protocols being enforced?
Dr. S is no longer working at that hospital. Remember according to him he was seeing Prince for help with joint pain yet he prescribed drugs that appear to be for withdrawals and he had no background in addictions management. Could it be that he is not working at that hospital because he was not following the protocols but not outside of it enough to not be sanctioned by the state board. Like I said before he appears to have covered himself well. As far as cancer is concerned you cannot force a patient to accept treatment and once again you are assuming he had cancer that could be treated. If a cancer is terminal like stage 4 the only treatment is pain meds and end of life care. I have family members who have been in this situation. I do not think the state board would be interested if Prince had cancer since he did not die from cancer and if there is no medical records that show that Dr. S was treating him for cancer. Why would Dr. S be in trouble?
4.What sort of cancer(s) does the facility specialize in? What are there treatment protocols? How does Dr. Schulenberg fit into this team?
Once again we do not know how far along this cancer was. What stage was it in? Did Prince find out in the last 7 days of his life and no care was even started? Did he have cancer before and the cancer came back? Once again you are making the assumption that he was walking around for months with cancer and going back and fourth for treatment while touring (Does that make any sense? I think if his family members are being trueful this cancer diagnois was recent.
5.If Prince had cancer, do you believe that Dr. Schulenberg would have known about it? After he ran test he would have. Remember he was bringing him test results on the 21st. Also, Cancer can go from bad to worst in a minute. Do you know anything about Cancer?
6. Even if Prince didn't tell him, do you believe that the technology exists for Dr.Schulenberg or the medical facility to know? When was the last time someone waltzed in to a hospital and say "Doc, I have cancer, I need treatment ". Isn't it normally the other way around? As in :You're diagnosed because something showed up?
Prince was in the hospital before he left to go to Atlanta and had test on the 20th what makes you think test were not run then or even in that last week. We still have no idea what he was doing for 7 days before he passed. What makes you think he did not have cancer or other medical problems prior to 2016? What makes you think he had not seen other doctors then Dr. S. Due to HIPPA we are never going to see his health records and any illness he had that did not cause his death are of no concern to the police.
7. If he knew about it, or had any suspicion ( via a blood test) do you believe that the protocol was proper?
The protocol for many illness was not followed. Drug addiction – Wrong doctor to see. Cancer – Wrong doctor but patient must decide if they want treatment or treatment not needed due to being terminal.
Joint pain. - Let me treat it by prescribing more pain meds along with meds to help with withdrawal. ( Does this make any sense?)
8. Who would hire you if it was found that you did not follow protocol and therefore may have caused Prince to suffer even more pain than is necessary by prescribing nothing resembling a cancer pain management protocol? Who would trust that facility that you worked for, or is working for now?
Once again you are ignoring the fact that Dr. S covered his tracks with the drugs and Prince did not die from Cancer. No Dr. can force a patient to stay in a hospital all that can do is recommend they stay and follow certain care. The doctor is going to document their recommendations and the patient is going to sign a release saying they understand and they are on their own if they choose not to listen. I am sure the documentation exists and once again you are assuming that this cancer could be treated and that treatment can be forced on a patient.
8. Let's say that Prince was diagnosed with cancer from a doctor in another state, are there any interstate protocols that would allow said facility , insurance, governing medical body to ascertain that the information is factual?? Were there any other doctors implicated in Prince's "care" in the media, on social media, near the media, around the media, under the media, between the media?
No one in the media is going to know about his health due to HIPPA. So why would any info about other illness be in the media? Once again you can have protocols but you cannot force care on a patient and we have no idea what stage this cancer is in. Why would his medical records or issues have to be determined to be real by anyone especially if that is not what killed him? For what purpose?
9. Why hasn't this facility or Dr.Schulenberg not been sued by the estate for malpractice, violation of oath , etc. etc. etc.? I am not sure what they would be sued for if Prince had cancer and no more treatment could be given if it was terminal. If he did not want treatment how can you sue? The family could raise a fuss about Dr. S writing those pain meds but they were not written for Prince they were written for Kirk. You can sue people for anything but you have to prove it. Where is the proof that Prince did not receive the care he wanted?
I do not know that back in the Fall of 2016 there was a rumor that the family was going to sue for malpractice and back in the spring of 2017 there was a malpractice attorney added as one of Tyka's attorney but now that lawyer is no longer listed for her. So, it is possible that the family did considering suing.
10. Wasn't a warrant served at that facility? Do you think the Attorney General in the state of Minnesota would have gotten involved if that facility was found to be in violation after almost two years? Do we have to wait for the book for that too?
The warrant was to get Prince's medical records. Once again if cancer care was not wanted by the patient or needed the facility would not be in any trouble. I have already explained this and Dr. S covering his tracks on the Rxs already as many of your questions just repeat the same thing repeatedly.
Next time you decided to write a book think out your questions better and live off the snarkycomments. Also do your research. In America, we do not force care on anyone, learn something about Pancreatic Cancer, and pay attention to some of the comments on the board.
It was already disclosed by one other orger that the cancer issue was on an open Facebook group so this is not some secret information anymore and I am not the only one who knows about it. In fact it is so well known it is not even a point of discussion on other boards or groups. Only on the org were all critical thinking as gone out the window.
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I am not strange about pain pill abuse. Check out my post in polictics below. This epidemic was manufactured to make money plain and simple. I do not think Prince's was a recreational drug user and I believe he had more then one issues which caused him to acclerate his use of these meds. It is easy to lump his stituation into tragic drugged out rock star and mix it up with narco businesses that are at the top of this problem. ----
You have people with legit medical issues being given pain meds that are too strong or purpose. This has caused a trickle down into the street = recreational users. In the case below actual doctors were involved and addicts from the streets were sent to the clinic to purchase drugs as well as bilking Medicare. A shell company was set up to launder the profits.
It takes big money to set up this type of operation.
Big Pharam, policticians, doctors and criminal orgainzations all working to make money and take advanage of people with real medical issues and recreational users. ---
People Charged in Opioid Trafficking Scheme That Left 700 People Dead http://time.com/5110570/opioid-trafficking-pill-mill-arrest/
People Charged in Opioid Trafficking Scheme That Left 700 People DeadBy ASSOCIATED PRESS
January 19, 2018
(KNOXVILLE, Tenn.) — Two people in Italy and five U.S. residents have been charged in a fraud and drug trafficking conspiracy to distribute opioids in Florida and Tennessee, leading to hundreds of deaths, federal prosecutors said Friday. The indictments were unsealed by federal officials Friday in Knoxville but handed down earlier. They allege the defendants were involved in a widespread scheme to operate “pill mills” in the U.S. Prosecutors say defendants ran the Urgent Care & Surgery Center Enterprise, which distributed enough oxycodone, oxymorphone and morphine to generate clinic revenue of at least $21 million. About 700 center patients are dead, prosecutors said. A Justice Department news release says a “significant percentage of those deaths, directly or indirectly, were the result of overdosing on narcotics” prescribed by the center. The scheme involved illegal kickbacks and money laundering, prosecutors said. “Throughout this country, and certainly in Tennessee and Florida, the illegal and unconscionable mass-distribution of prescription opioids through the operation of illegal pain clinics has taken a heavy toll on our citizens, families and communities,” U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in the news release. “This sort of profiteering effectively trades human lives for financial riches.” Two Italians, Luca Sartini and Luigi Palma, were arrested Friday in Rome by Italian authorities. U.S. officials are seeking extradition. Federal court records posted online do not show if they have lawyers. Also charged were Benjamin Rodriguez of Delray Beach, Florida, and four Knoxville residents: Sylvia Hofstetter, Courtney Newman, Cynthia Clemons, and Holli Womack. Rodriguez is set to surrender to authorities. Court records do not show if he has a lawyer. Lawyers for Hostetter, Newman and Womack did not immediately return calls seeking comment. Clemons’ lawyer, Randall Reagan, said she has pleaded not guilty and has a trial scheduled in October. He declined to comment on details of the case. Sartini, Palma, Rodriguez, Hofstetter and a co-conspirator charged in another indictment, ran the center’s opioid-based pain management clinics from about April 2009 to March 2015, prosecutors said. The defendants hired medical providers with Drug Enforcement Agency registration numbers, which would allow the providers to prescribe drugs. The clinics did not accept insurance and ordered unnecessary drug screenings defrauding Medicare, the indictments said. Meanwhile, shell companies were set up to launder proceeds, prosecutors said. Many patients arrived in groups and were sponsored by drug dealers who paid for the clinic visits and prescriptions to get the opioids, prosecutors said. Patients would receive a portion of prescribed narcotics for free in return. The Justice Department said about 30 drug traffickers have been charged and convicted and about 80 to 90 smaller narcotics distributers have also been charged and convicted as part of the investigation by the Opioid Fraud and Abuse Task Force Initiative. The superseding indictment announced Friday is among 35 related indictments charging about 140 people, including medical providers who worked at the pill mills.
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. Well, if that's the case, then Kirk is the biggest ding-dong that ever walked this earth! . I really don't know what to make of Dr. Schulenberg, but obviously the authorities did not find any wrongdoing on his part. Only time will reveal the truth.
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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. To the bolded.......my thoughts, exactly!!
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. Sheila had not been in contact with Prince for months, so how would she know what was going on with him? . I remember Sheila E. saying she was gonna find out what happend to Prince. We're still waiting.
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Actually she sent a drum kit up for the exhibit in PP. So she had spoken to him recently. She also said she did know what happend to him but she would never tell.
What could she mean by that and what do all the other associates mean by we do not know the whole story. [Edited 1/24/18 14:44pm] | |
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. Petty's family statement: . We knew before the report was shared with us that he was prescribed various pain medications for a multitude of issues including fentanyl patches and we feel confident that this was, as the coroner found, an unfortunate accident. As a family we recognize this report may spark a further discussion on the opioid crisis and we feel that it is a healthy and necessary discussion and we hope in some way this report can save lives. Many people who overdose begin with a legitimate injury or simply do not understand the potency and deadly nature of these medications.. . https://www.rollingstone....se-w515472 . Based on the toxicology report, multiple controlled substances were found in Petty’s system, including two types of fentanyl, a potent synthetic opioid. . Good article: . https://www.statnews.com/...-overdose/
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I know you do not like Charles but a month ago he said the police told him several things about the case were odd. In addtion, he also said something would be happening with the case soon and confirmed the investigation was open with suspects.
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This article is interesting and relevant: A year-long congressional investigation showed how easy it is for opioid counterfeiters in China to ship their products to the US via regular mail -- and how easy it is for customers in the US to find these suppliers online. - who knows if this is how Prince, or his in-person supplier if he had one, got his counterfeit pills. But it does show why arrests may be harder to make than what it may look like it should: - http://thehill.com/policy...hina-to-us [Edited 1/24/18 15:33pm] | |
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Interesting article -- thanks for posting Clover! - Really provocative how the author connects physical pain to emotional issues (depression) and past traumas. Sounds like her experience is that addiction can be a complicated mix of factors, and it's not so simple as just "people in physical pain" vs "recreational drug users." And her description of withdrawal is harrowing! If this is what withdrawal is like, I can imagine why someone who has developed an addiction -- no matter the reason they first started taking opioids, whether for physical pain or some other reason, or a combination -- would do anything to avoid it -- and how going cold turkey and trying to endure withdrawal on your own would cause such a medical crisis: - "[withdrawal causes] nausea, body aches, irritability, severe sweats, anxiety, and more. One of my patients described withdrawal as “getting stabbed all over my body.” Peter Santoro of New York’s Lower Eastside Service Center, himself in long-term recovery, told me that he felt that the “emotional pain of withdrawal was so deep, it touched my soul with no relief in sight.” - And this was such an interesting observation: "Substance use and mental illness pair up like magnets to metal...The solution isn’t simple. We must first recognize that drugs don’t really cause addiction; they are simply a tool to temporarily relieve symptoms. We must identify and address the underlying pain and suffering. We must show a lot more compassion and a lot less judgment toward people with addiction."
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as long as it means there was no wrongdoing then its ok | |
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. Yes, and remember when Prince would not take her call? She obviously did not recognize the voice of the person who answered the phone. . I have doubts about her knowing because she already hinted to his pain/drug use. She was probably told not to talk. . Also, the family shut her out with regard to making any decisions about his music/estate. Why shut out a person who was so close to Prince for 30+ years & who worked side-by-side with him and was practically his family?
[Edited 1/24/18 16:22pm] "With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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. Yes, I read an article right after Prince died, and everyone was just trying to grasp with the fact that Prince was gone. I remember reading one article where it stated that one officer on the scene said it looked suspicious. These law enforcement officers/first responders see this stuff all the time, and I trust them when they say it looked suspicious. . Even with MJ, a lot of people said his room looked "staged". . Same with Marilyn Monroe and others.....
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. That's the good ol' U.S. Postal Service for ya!!
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Wow, this explains a lot about Petty: . Petty was receiving multiple medications that potentiated his risk of overdosing. This dangerous concoction probably didn’t come from a single doctor but from multiple providers. A statewide — ideally nationwide — prescription drug monitoring program could have alerted clinicians about Petty’s list of medications. . https://www.statnews.com/...-overdose/ .
[Edited 1/24/18 16:36pm] "With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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. It's a very good article and explains a lot. Very well-written from a doctor's experience with opiate abuse. . See, this is what happened with Prince; he wasn't being monitored and/or treated properly. I knew Petty lived the "drugs & rock-n-roll" lifestyle, but he had other serious medical conditions on top of his hip pain/opiate use; which just shut his body down. . Yes, mental-health is also very crucial when dealing in these situations.
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