soladeo1 said:

The sound check version from the early 1982 show blew my mind. I had no idea that the Purple Yoda has this song already mostly backed well before he even recorded 1999?? What’s funny is that it sounds like he was still trying to figure out the bridge part (You're just a sinner I am told Be your fire when you're cold...) Does anyone know if he recorded an early studio version???

Duane and some elite traders may have known/know. It's new knowledge to everyone else.

I'd say if he rehearsed it the odds are that a studio version was made either solo earlier, or with the band afterwards, but it's just my 2 cents.

"Baby I'm A Star" is also an older song like that. I think it was Don Batts who commented in DMSR or another book that as a funky little piano piece he felt it was superior to the blown out version on Purple Rain. There is a rehearsal of it along with some other songs, just Prince and the piano, floating around somewhere. To me, it's unrecognizable as the same song, but people swear it's the same song. I forget if it's the same clip where he plays "Wednesday".

Even "Raspberry Beret" dates to 1982 or so.

soladeo1 said:

databank said:

soladeo1 said:

The sound check version from the early 1982 show blew my mind. I had no idea that the Purple Yoda has this song already mostly backed well before he even recorded 1999?? What’s funny is that it sounds like he was still trying to figure out the bridge part (You're just a sinner I am told Be your fire when you're cold...) Does anyone know if he recorded an early studio version???

Duane and some elite traders may have known/know. It's new knowledge to everyone else.

I'd say if he rehearsed it the odds are that a studio version was made either solo earlier, or with the band afterwards, but it's just my 2 cents.

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That it was previewed to Albert Magnoli suggests the existence of an earlier studio demo or take. Likewise, that it is being rehearsed here suggests that such a version may already have been recorded by late 1981 or early 1982.

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While most of the essential elements are there, this rehearsal resonates with that 'Hard to Get '81'-ish/Controversy-tour 'Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad?' grit, traded later for that towering Oberheim wall of sound on the album.

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soladeo1 said:

The sound check version from the early 1982 show blew my mind. I had no idea that the Purple Yoda has this song already mostly backed well before he even recorded 1999?? What’s funny is that it sounds like he was still trying to figure out the bridge part (You're just a sinner I am told Be your fire when you're cold...) Does anyone know if he recorded an early studio version???

Haven't heard this version, but that's not the bridge, it's Verse 3.

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The bridge is the instrumental part before Verse 3

It was noted on PrinceVault a couple of years ago.

Early soundcheck version bumps . Like the live drums n louder bass line, guitar parts, etc. Very cool .

langebleu said:

It was noted on PrinceVault a couple of years ago.

Then why was it removed? Was the info's authenticity questionned?

databank said:

soladeo1 said:

The sound check version from the early 1982 show blew my mind. I had no idea that the Purple Yoda has this song already mostly backed well before he even recorded 1999?? What’s funny is that it sounds like he was still trying to figure out the bridge part (You're just a sinner I am told Be your fire when you're cold...) Does anyone know if he recorded an early studio version???

Duane and some elite traders may have known/know. It's new knowledge to everyone else.

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It's apparently been on PrinceVault since at least 2015, if the history of the "I Would Die 4 U" page is correct. I cannot understand how this was completely missed by just about everybody. This is a massive discovery and yet nobody bothered to announce it until now, when a recording of this soundcheck / rehearsal leaked.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Duane and some elite traders may have known/know. It's new knowledge to everyone else.

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It's apparently been on PrinceVault since at least 2015, if the history of the "I Would Die 4 U" page is correct. I cannot understand how this was completely missed by just about everybody. This is a massive discovery and yet nobody bothered to announce it until now, when a recording of this soundcheck / rehearsal leaked.

It was there but then it was removed. Why?

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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It's apparently been on PrinceVault since at least 2015, if the history of the "I Would Die 4 U" page is correct. I cannot understand how this was completely missed by just about everybody. This is a massive discovery and yet nobody bothered to announce it until now, when a recording of this soundcheck / rehearsal leaked.

It was there but then it was removed. Why?

Because PrinceVault is biased?

The info was posted years ago on princeinfo.net. But like a lot of other info posted on that site, it was ignored. Other songs that will soon emerge was also ignored. PrinceVault is a great resource but clearly biased against some info they didn't like the sources of.

Chastity said:

databank said:

It was there but then it was removed. Why?

Because PrinceVault is biased?

The info was posted years ago on princeinfo.net. But like a lot of other info posted on that site, it was ignored. Other songs that will soon emerge was also ignored. PrinceVault is a great resource but clearly biased against some info they didn't like the sources of.

Or maybe they just wanted to confirm they had the correct info

they could have felt where they got it from wasn't sourced well enough

was it really written before 1999 or around the same time?

Back then by the end of an album/era tour the next albums music was already being recorded or ready for release

Chastity said:

databank said:

It was there but then it was removed. Why?

Because PrinceVault is biased?

The info was posted years ago on princeinfo.net. But like a lot of other info posted on that site, it was ignored. Other songs that will soon emerge was also ignored. PrinceVault is a great resource but clearly biased against some info they didn't like the sources of.

I don't believe it's about "liking" sources, but giving them credibility. I appreciate this approach, it prevents them from being filled with nonsense and fake infos.

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IDK for how long it's been there but IWD4U is mentionned as having been played on that show's soundcheck, on the show's entry.

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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It's apparently been on PrinceVault since at least 2015, if the history of the "I Would Die 4 U" page is correct. I cannot understand how this was completely missed by just about everybody. This is a massive discovery and yet nobody bothered to announce it until now, when a recording of this soundcheck / rehearsal leaked.

It was there but then it was removed. Why?

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No, it has never been removed. It is still there.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

It was there but then it was removed. Why?

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No, it has never been removed. It is still there.

Damn, u're right: "The song dated back to at least 18 months earlier when it was tried out in soundcheck during a Controversy Tour show."

I was looking 4 "1982", which is y I couldn't find it while skimming

Chastity said:
Other songs that will soon emerge was also ignored.

Care to elaborate on that, Chas?


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It's funny because we tend to associate P songs with when they came out, not when they were written or originally recorded.

Strange Relationship being recorded in early 1983 is another that comes to mind.

Militant said:

It's funny because we tend to associate P songs with when they came out, not when they were written or originally recorded.

Strange Relationship being recorded in early 1983 is another that comes to mind.

right

some songs were recorded not long after release,

some a work in progress

But I wonder if IWD4U was actually 'recorded' maybe an incomplete piano/demo version. But not the actual song we hear in 1983 @ First Avenue

New Position was a late 82 demo as well, and Lisa pulled it up to rework it

So when did he write Jughead?

OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

So when did he write Jughead?

When he wrote "Housequake". Mash em!

ufoclub said:

Well, the basic tracking of the song "1999" took place July through August of 1982, and the rehearsal of "I Would Die 4 U" is from a San Francisco Civic Auditorium soundcheck from February 15, 1982, so it most likely was fully written before he recorded the song 1999.

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I suppose it's just a bit mad that he had a song as strong as I Would Die 4 U and more or less fully formed that he left off the 1999 album. I guess it fits in with the sound of some of 1999 like Lets Pretend We're Married but it's hard not to think of it being a few steps ahead of them, especially lyrically - it's so less carnal than those songs. Fascinating to wonder what was going on his mind back then anyway.

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