purplefam99 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Agreed, if you've ever witnessed someone die of stage 4 cancer, then you know. It comes across like toothache but in the body.

i always thought it was the treatments that caused cancer patients such dispair. that when

they stopped treatment they at least could move about more normally. i don't know if PC is different

but i thought it was the treatments that made you the sickest. maybe without dibiliating treatments

and with the help of a few pain meds he was able to do a show, hold parties and ride his bike to the end and wanted it that way.

Basically, with advanced cancer, no opiates - Bed-ridden. Advanced cancer, on opiates - Bed-ridden. You can't perform in either scenario. Zappa below is on opiates. My grandpa wasn't so lucky.

fortuneandserendipity said:

purplefam99 said:

i always thought it was the treatments that caused cancer patients such dispair. that when

they stopped treatment they at least could move about more normally. i don't know if PC is different

but i thought it was the treatments that made you the sickest. maybe without dibiliating treatments

and with the help of a few pain meds he was able to do a show, hold parties and ride his bike to the end and wanted it that way.

Basically, with advanced cancer, no opiates - Bed-ridden. Advanced cancer, on opiates - Bed-ridden. You can't perform in either scenario. Zappa below is on opiates. My grandpa wasn't so lucky.

ah ok thx, anyway he wasnt stage 4 yet? he seemed a man of his own mind and if he wasn't gonna do treatment of any kind maybe he decided that early on and was like i'll treat my own way

and that is why it is all mixed up looking here at the end. because he used his pain managment

meds as a seqway into cancer pain mangement. ??? maybe???

managing two types of pain, seems like it could easily end in OD by accident.

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purplefam99 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Basically, with advanced cancer, no opiates - Bed-ridden. Advanced cancer, on opiates - Bed-ridden. You can't perform in either scenario. Zappa below is on opiates. My grandpa wasn't so lucky.

ah ok thx, anyway he wasnt stage 4 yet? he seemed a man of his own mind and if he wasn't gonna do treatment of any kind maybe he decided that early on and was like i'll treat my own way

and that is why it is all mixed up looking here at the end. because he used his pain managment

meds as a seqway into cancer pain mangement. ??? maybe???

managing two types of pain, seems like it could easily end in OD by accident.

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People have recovered from stage 4 cancer on raw food diets apparently, as well as stuff like mushrooms and herbs. (wish these people would come forward). But assuming not stage 4, you have every right to believe you have a fighting chance. Then again brain, pancreas, certain blood cancers can be incurable early on. Cancer's not one thing anyway. There are hundreds of different types, and as far as i know, they can only set up shop if your immune system gives them a free pass, as in mistake them for friends.

As some have pointed out with Prince, it makes no sense to self-medicate on dodgy pills, whether bone pain or cancer, when a doctor can give you the right care. And no, that doesn't mean the whole world has to know?! It can be kept secret. In fact doctors have that duty of care.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Hmm yes. Yes. I don’t think they were dodgy, until they were ya know. I think they work for a while for how he needed then the butterfly effect. Thx
For chatting.

precioux said:

I'm not asking you to "buy a theory"....I'm restating what has been said by those "close to the inner circle",period. Furthermore, not one of these people have given a definitive answer as to if in fact Prince did have cancer-why the hell let it go on as a rock star OD?? Why not just put that to rest with a simple statement. There is no shame in having cancer, so why be secretive about it?? Your last statement may be your answer...because he WAS very careful in that department, not only are there no lawsuits, there aren't any other children. Again, I'm not pushing an agenda-I just want an answer, because I DO believe Prince was terminal. And the question is why the hell would the family allow the drugged out rock star narrative to continue if he in fact was terminal with cancer???? To allow that narrative to continue is inexcusable...unless there was shame attached to a larger degree than the current narrative.... I'm still waiting, as I have directly put this question to those claiming it was cancer and their info was gotten "directly from" Prince's inner circle. Misslink88 said:

I don't buy the AIDS theory because NOT ONE PERSON ever associated with him has ever come down with it in, what, some 40 odd years. I believe he was very careful in that arena.

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My response wasn't really directed at your restating what's been said, but the overall discussion about AIDS. I'm also of the mind that the family (perhaps Tyka) will respond, if and when, they deem it appropriate. Really, although he was a much loved musician and in the public eye, not one of us is owed any kind of explanation. I hear ya on the "drugged out rock star" narrative, though.

Misslink88 said:

PennyPurple said:

I know that PC is brutal. The longest I've seen somebody live with it, was Patrick Swayze and I think he went to a different country for some kind of treatment. Knowing now those were Prince's last days, I don't think it was PC. If it was PC and that is why he told Tyka what he did in 2014 he wouldn't have made it to 2016, it's that fast moving and brutal.

I think he may have had something like leukemia, I wouldn't be surprised if he was diagnosed in 2014, went thru treatment, in remission and it came back, and the 2nd time there was nothing they could do.

My dad had stomach cancer, he was having problems for months before he went to the Dr. throat problems, stomach problems, problems swallowing, problems eating. He was diagnosed and with in 2 weeks, died. From what Prince's chef's have said, it wouldn't surprise me if P had throat or stomach cancer.

All of the above is just my opinion, nothing is fact, just my thoughts.

I also don't think that P had been a heavy drug user for years. He may have dallied with them on and off, but he was on these pills for a reason, and like I have seen personally, you need more and more to control the pain, the Drs are starting to get strict to who they give them to, P's pills were ordered off the street or over the internet and it was a bad batch, and nobody knew it.

Again, it's just my thoughts. I just don't think it was PC.

Wow...I'm sorry to hear your family has had such a rough go of it.

Thanks, cancer sucks.

Misslink88 said:

Thanks for the clarification as well as being in agreement on the narrative
:thumbsup:

I know no one is entitled to an explanation, but the appropriate time to make a statement clarifying what Prince was up against, would've been the second the short form of the autopsy became public. JMHO

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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.........And, let us not forget, Andrew came with a backpack full of drugs (he was not authorized to carry and/or administer), and he said he was not planning on using them.

Wait, did he mean, not using them for himself, or in general?

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Andrew said that he wasn't planning on giving them to Prince. His doctor father probably told him to say that because he knew that would be illegal.

disch said:

Maybe they haven't released a statement because there's nothing to say -- there's no secret terminal illness to reveal or any other deep dark mystery. Maybe the truth is simply what it looks like.

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And perhaps they simply don't have the info some folks here want. Even Tyka might not know everything about what was going on in Prince's life. Yes, she'd know information in his full autopsy, but again, maybe there's just nothing there of relevance and the autopsy summary says all that matters. And whatever his struggles were with opioids or other physical or mental health issues -- just because his family were related doesn't mean they know all the ins and outs.

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Finally, they may just want to let their relative rest in peace and move on with their lives and their memories of him, and not spend time engaging in online debates with conspiracy theorist or other fan groups who will likely never be satisfied with what they say. Frankly, if I were them, I'd stay away from all these discussions.

PennyPurple said:

I think it's past time the Nelson's make a statement.

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I see your point, but what would be the harm in the family releasing a statement to Prince's fans? I think a lot of us are just trying to find some closure with Prince's death. As long as Tyka keeps making her odd comments, it will leave people to speculate. Now, the word is that Prince had Pancreatic cancer. Until the family sets the record straight, there will be speculation. Even to this day, there are people who think Elvis died under mysterious circumstances. It happens.

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Tyka said that she knew for 3-years that Prince was dying, so obviously he was sick with some sort of terminal illness, because that is what Tyka is leading us to believe. Was she speculating because Prince gave her clues and subliminal messages that he was dying?

precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Trust me p didn't have aids related cancer! He had what i stated which was pancreatic cancer

Ok, if you're so close to the situation then maybe you can answer the question as to why the family would leave the narrative as is instead of just putting it out there that he had PC? Every single interview of Prince's family/friends includes the question "well, were you aware of the drug use?"...it's disgusting...WHY NOT PUT THAT TO REST when given the opportunity instead of allowing "the world" to believe it was "just another Rock Star OD"....please answer this, and no...I don't believe it would be to "protect his privacy"

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Hey, Precioux!

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I agree with you, 1,000%!!

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I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Prince's family does not want to set the record straight. I just do not understand that rationale at all. I mean, if Prince was suffering from cancer, why not just say it? If he fought a courageous battle with cancer, that is far better than people saying he was a drug addict, imo.

cloveringold85 said:

Hey Clover!!
:wave2:

💋

cloveringold85 said:

precioux said:

Strawberrylova123 said: Ok, if you're so close to the situation then maybe you can answer the question as to why the family would leave the narrative as is instead of just putting it out there that he had PC? Every single interview of Prince's family/friends includes the question "well, were you aware of the drug use?"...it's disgusting...WHY NOT PUT THAT TO REST when given the opportunity instead of allowing "the world" to believe it was "just another Rock Star OD"....please answer this, and no...I don't believe it would be to "protect his privacy"

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Hey, Precioux!

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I agree with you, 1,000%!!

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I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Prince's family does not want to set the record straight. I just do not understand that rationale at all. I mean, if Prince was suffering from cancer, why not just say it? If he fought a courageous battle with cancer, that is far better than people saying he was a drug addict, imo.

Perhaps the "do not comment" was under P's instructions he gave out at the end on how to handle things. Maybe she is following his exact instructions. if so who should she please him or us?

fortuneandserendipity said:

Mumio said:

There you go, crying again. Please do keep coming back at me so I can continue to laugh at you.

Alcohol problem? As a friend of mine once said, you're weird. Herb4 also had you sussed. You don't add anything constructive, just jump on people occasionally.

Keep going.

precioux said:

Misslink88 said:

My response wasn't really directed at your restating what's been said, but the overall discussion about AIDS. I'm also of the mind that the family (perhaps Tyka) will respond, if and when, they deem it appropriate. Really, although he was a much loved musician and in the public eye, not one of us is owed any kind of explanation. I hear ya on the "drugged out rock star" narrative, though.

Thanks for the clarification as well as being in agreement on the narrative I know no one is entitled to an explanation, but the appropriate time to make a statement clarifying what Prince was up against, would've been the second the short form of the autopsy became public. JMHO

Hey Precioux, Happy New Year, Babe...missed you xoxoxoxo

Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Alcohol problem? As a friend of mine once said, you're weird. Herb4 also had you sussed. You don't add anything constructive, just jump on people occasionally.

Keep going.

Exactamundo...Herb4 nailed it!!!!!

cloveringold85 said:

I agree. What does the family have to lose by sharing?

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Hey, Precioux!

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I agree with you, 1,000%!!

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I just cannot wrap my head around the idea that Prince's family does not want to set the record straight. I just do not understand that rationale at all. I mean, if Prince was suffering from cancer, why not just say it? If he fought a courageous battle with cancer, that is far better than people saying he was a drug addict, imo.

Perhaps the "do not comment" was under P's instructions he gave out at the end on how to handle things. Maybe she is following his exact instructions. if so who should she please him or us?

Well, then she should've never opened her mouth in the first place, right? 'Cause, if he had instructions, she would also not be allowed to write it in a book as she's planning to do. My guess is, that she's just fishing his fans.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Fair enough.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Mumio said:

Keep going.

Exactamundo...Herb4 nailed it!!!!!

The third word warrior speaks