donnyenglish said:

Prince telling people to get their stuff from Paisley might support the fact that Prince was looking into rehab options. Prince had a hip issue, was perscribed pain killers, got addicted and died from that addiction from a fentanyl overdose. It really is simple and all too common. We all have to die. This was the way he went. It is no less honorable than any other way to go.

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I was thinking last night about Prince asking people to remove their personal belongings 7-days before he passed. I really don't know what to make of that.

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He could have simply told people not to show up for work on April 21, 2016. What I'm saying is this; there were employee's there that morning he was found in the elevator and I honestly don't think that Prince would have wanted to be found like that.

cloveringold85 said:

TrevorAyer said:

TrevorAyer said:

Prince music got worse on drugs ... lovesexy was inspired by admitted drug use of ecstacy which is a mix of herion and morphine .. if u believe he only ever did drugs that one time u r blind to the obvious .. his music was never as good and i suspect it got away from him at that point when he fired all His friends .. gold experience era is pretty questionable and emancipation was one of his reported overdoses at hospital ..

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ecstacy is NOT a mixture of Heroin and Morphine.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I was thinking last night about Prince asking people to remove their personal belongings 7-days before he passed. I really don't know what to make of that.

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He could have simply told people not to show up for work on April 21, 2016. What I'm saying is this; there were employee's there that morning he was found in the elevator and I honestly don't think that Prince would have wanted to be found like that.

The employees at Paisley on April 21st were Kirk and Meron. He told musicians to get there stuff because they might not be able to get it later. If he was going to rehab he would have been back in a few weeks and those two employees could certainly get anything that musician’s needed. No o e can get their personal belongings out now. He also had subocone on the premises so what did he really need a visit from Andrew for? Remover Charles Smith said the cameras had been removed from Paisley Park. [Edited 12/23/17 21:41pm] [Edited 12/23/17 21:53pm]

Laura, I believe the only suboxone that was at PP was in Andrews bag. Prince didn't just have the suboxone laying around.

What difference does the suboxone laying around would imply?
That he was already on detox?

bonatoc said:

What difference does the suboxone laying around would imply?
That he was already on detox?

You can't just pick up suboxone at Walgreens. It's not a prescription that any patient would need to take to their Dr, that just doesn't happen.

Suboxone has a high street value.

laurarichardson said:

TrevorAyer said:

Prince music got worse on drugs ... lovesexy was inspired by admitted drug use of ecstacy which is a mix of herion and morphine .. if u believe he only ever did drugs that one time u r blind to the obvious .. his music was never as good and i suspect it got away from him at that point when he fired all His friends .. gold experience era is pretty questionable and emancipation was one of his reported overdoses at hospital ..

Don't forget everyone in modern music era gets worse after age 30. Imo even Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong did their best work imo in their 20s. You have to go back to classical music age when artists were actually doing their best work into their 30s and beyond. Notably Beethoven and Bach, but also others like Wagner, Hadyn.

Now if you think the dividing line is drug use or abuse, then you're entitled to that opinion and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But remember, the org is where the fanatics hang out. Nearly everyone posting here will disagree vehemently and accuse you of sacrilege!

[Edited 12/24/17 9:11am]

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Suboxone has a high street value.

Yes but according to the warrant's the only suboxone found at PP was in Andrews bag.

PennyPurple said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

TrevorAyer said:

Prince music got worse on drugs ... lovesexy was inspired by admitted drug use of ecstacy which is a mix of herion and morphine .. if u believe he only ever did drugs that one time u r blind to the obvious .. his music was never as good and i suspect it got away from him at that point when he fired all His friends .. gold experience era is pretty questionable and emancipation was one of his reported overdoses at hospital ..

Don't forget everyone in modern music era gets worse after age 30. Imo even Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong did their best work imo in their 20s. You have to go back to classical music age when artists were actually doing their best work into their 30s and beyond. Notably Beethoven and Bach, but also others like Wagner, Hadyn.

Now if you think the dividing line is drug use or abuse, then you're entitled to that opinion and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But remember, the org is where the fanatics hang out. Nearly everyone posting here will disagree vehemently and accuse you of sacrilege!

[Edited 12/24/17 9:11am]

Not me!

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Don't forget everyone in modern music era gets worse after age 30. Imo even Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong did their best work imo in their 20s. You have to go back to classical music age when artists were actually doing their best work into their 30s and beyond. Notably Beethoven and Bach, but also others like Wagner, Hadyn.

Now if you think the dividing line is drug use or abuse, then you're entitled to that opinion and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But remember, the org is where the fanatics hang out. Nearly everyone posting here will disagree vehemently and accuse you of sacrilege!

[Edited 12/24/17 9:11am]

His musicianship got better as he got older not worst. If you think he got better on drugs it is because you want to believe it not because the evidence is there. Trust me the tabloids have looked high and low. Have you read any stories about him using drugs. The media would pay big money for those stories and it would not be someone hiding behind some fake identity.

IMO his best albums were in his first decade, his best guitar solos in his second decade, and his best ballads probably came in his third decade. As for drug use, there's no way of knowing. Josef Fritzl's wife didn't know what he got up to - a knowable unknown. We don't even know if P's hip resurfacing ended up leeching metal ions into his body (yes, metal can be used even in resurfacing, not just full hip transplant) and that's an unknowable unknown.

Basically you think if the media haven't uncovered anything, then there's no way it could have happened. If that were true there would be no such thing as doors. Now remember when Judith Hill locked Prince out of Paisley Park, not an easy thing to do, least of all with Prince?!

fortuneandserendipity said:

purplefam99 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

IMO his best albums were in his first decade, his best guitar solos in his second decade, and his best ballads probably came in his third decade. As for drug use, there's no way of knowing. Josef Fritzl's wife didn't know what he got up to - a knowable unknown. We don't even know if P's hip resurfacing ended up leeching metal ions into his body (yes, metal can be used even in resurfacing, not just full hip transplant) and that's an unknowable unknown.

Basically you think if the media haven't uncovered anything, then there's no way it could have happened. If that were true there would be no such thing as doors. Now remember when Judith Hill locked Prince out of Paisley Park, not an easy thing to do, least of all with Prince?!

Do you mind expounding on that last paragraph I’m not getting your gist.

The last bit was intended as sarcasm. But anyway...

Noone would have been able to figure out what P was up to without his knowing. That being the real point: the media would never discover if Prince was taking drugs, if he took enough care in hiding the habit. Nobody knew before Michael Jackson died - apart from a couple of assistants - that he was using an anaesthetic drug to go to sleep every night.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Laura, I believe the only suboxone that was at PP was in Andrews bag. Prince didn't just have the suboxone laying around.

I have to go back and look but I believe Menes took a look at the pill numbers and determined that at least one that was found was Subonxe.

No there was one pill that was suboxone, and because it was a crime scene, Andrew's bag contents were included amongst the search. That's how the one suboxone pill was identified. Duh.

Remember as well to put the turkey in the oven.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: I have to go back and look but I believe Menes took a look at the pill numbers and determined that at least one that was found was Subonxe.

No there was one pill that was suboxone, and because it was a crime scene, Andrew's bag contents were included amongst the search. That's how the one suboxone pill was identified. Duh.

Remember as well to put the turkey in the oven.

Some people *cough Laura cough* just won't give up looking for the "smoking gun" rather than accepting the simple truth about his passing.

Disclaimer: I still love and respect the man and everything he accomplished - maybe even more than before upon learning of his struggle with substance abuse. And I don't believe he was a junkie, nor am I attempting to make him the poster boy for drug addled rock stars.

fortuneandserendipity said:

For me, AOA was perfect. Just perfect. I believe a lot was going on that we shall never know about. And of course, the people involved at that time - including but not limited to Kirk, Meron, Andy and Judith - won't say life was anything but peaches and cream. But I think many of us know better now.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said: His musicianship got better as he got older not worst. If you think he got better on drugs it is because you want to believe it not because the evidence is there. Trust me the tabloids have looked high and low. Have you read any stories about him using drugs. The media would pay big money for those stories and it would not be someone hiding behind some fake identity.

IMO his best albums were in his first decade, his best guitar solos in his second decade, and his best ballads probably came in his third decade. As for drug use, there's no way of knowing. Josef Fritzl's wife didn't know what he got up to - a knowable unknown. We don't even know if P's hip resurfacing ended up leeching metal ions into his body (yes, metal can be used even in resurfacing, not just full hip transplant) and that's an unknowable unknown.

Basically you think if the media haven't uncovered anything, then there's no way it could have happened. If that were true there would be no such thing as doors. Now remember when Judith Hill locked Prince out of Paisley Park, not an easy thing to do, least of all with Prince?!

Doors are made to be opened. Where are the stories of him being drugged out/ Where are the missed concerts and bad performances? Where is the poor muscianship in his later years?

If people believed they could get money talking about his drug use they would be talking and getting paid.

That clip is Judith and Prince playing around. You are the only person who would actually take that seriously enough to think it means anything.

1Sasha said:

For me, AOA was perfect. Just perfect. I believe a lot was going on that we shall never know about. And of course, the people involved at that time - including but not limited to Kirk, Meron, Andy and Judith - won't say life was anything but peaches and cream. But I think many of us know better now.

Estates cannot sue for defamation. They are all free to talk and so are any others.

Kirk according to Charles is still under investigation so he will not be talking to anyone until he is cleared and maybe not even then. Status of limitations does not run out on murder.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: I have to go back and look but I believe Menes took a look at the pill numbers and determined that at least one that was found was Subonxe.

No there was one pill that was suboxone, and because it was a crime scene, Andrew's bag contents were included amongst the search. That's how the one suboxone pill was identified. Duh.

Remember as well to put the turkey in the oven.

I will go back up in the tread but I am pretty sure Means said one of those pills was suboxone and it was not the one Andrew brought. I will go back and see if I can find it

Do not forget where to put your head.

TrevorAyer said:

Prince music got worse on drugs ... lovesexy was inspired by admitted drug use of ecstacy which is a mix of herion and morphine .. if u believe he only ever did drugs that one time u r blind to the obvious .. his music was never as good and i suspect it got away from him at that point when he fired all His friends .. gold experience era is pretty questionable and emancipation was one of his reported overdoses at hospital ..

Ecstacy is not a mix of herion and morphine. So please stop embarrassing yourself.

A hit of ecstacy does not make a person a life long drug addict whose perfomance and output are effected.

If you did not care for his later music that is your opinion. If you honestly think he sold more tickets then he did in the first 10 years of carreer in his later years by performing worst then you are delusional and maybe you need to put down the drugs.

Dude may have his problems with pain pills but we have no evidence it was a 30 year problem and I think we never will have any.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

No there was one pill that was suboxone, and because it was a crime scene, Andrew's bag contents were included amongst the search. That's how the one suboxone pill was identified. Duh.

Remember as well to put the turkey in the oven.

I will go back up in the tread but I am pretty sure Means said one of those pills was suboxone and it was not the one Andrew brought. I will go back and see if I can find it

Do not forget where to put your head.

Rubbish. Menes and others pointed out that the suboxone could only have been the one Andrew brought. It was a crime scene remember. All the suboxone pills were accounted for = 1.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

IMO his best albums were in his first decade, his best guitar solos in his second decade, and his best ballads probably came in his third decade. As for drug use, there's no way of knowing. Josef Fritzl's wife didn't know what he got up to - a knowable unknown. We don't even know if P's hip resurfacing ended up leeching metal ions into his body (yes, metal can be used even in resurfacing, not just full hip transplant) and that's an unknowable unknown.

Basically you think if the media haven't uncovered anything, then there's no way it could have happened. If that were true there would be no such thing as doors. Now remember when Judith Hill locked Prince out of Paisley Park, not an easy thing to do, least of all with Prince?!

Doors are made to be opened. Where are the stories of him being drugged out/ Where are the missed concerts and bad performances? Where is the poor muscianship in his later years?

If people believed they could get money talking about his drug use they would be talking and getting paid.

That clip is Judith and Prince playing around. You are the only person who would actually take that seriously enough to think it means anything.

Haha that just proves you're too dumb to understand sarcasm!

Also, you're proving yet again you don't understand limited or moderate drug use, how people can take small amounts and function reasonably enough. How they can taper off one drug, while substituting another in its place. You're never going to change your mind on this. But it does show what we're dealing with. Best to do an I.Q test before you post anything else.