Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, for me it will have to come from Tyka, she and possibly Omarr would be the only ones of that bunch I would believe.

same here.

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Suboxone has a high street value.

Yes but according to the warrant's the only suboxone found at PP was in Andrews bag.

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.........And, let us not forget, Andrew came with a backpack full of drugs (he was not authorized to carry and/or administer), and he said he was not planning on using them.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes but according to the warrant's the only suboxone found at PP was in Andrews bag.

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.........And, let us not forget, Andrew came with a backpack full of drugs (he was not authorized to carry and/or administer), and he said he was not planning on using them.

Wait, did he mean, not using them for himself, or in general?

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Tyka?

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Yes, but if Prince did have cancer, why wasn't he getting proper treatment? Why would he be getting illegal Fentanyl off the street? Makes no sense.

Yes, for me it will have to come from Tyka, she and possibly Omarr would be the only ones of that bunch I would believe.

It doesn't make sense. If he had this type of cancer, there is no way he would be able to throw a party, ride a bike or anything else in his last few days. let alone give a concert the week before. The type of pain that comes with that cancer is terrible. My cousin died of it. She didn't make it 3 weeks after being diagnosed.

Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. The thing with not knowing for sure if he had PC is the timing of everything. For instance, Tyka alluded to knowing something was up sometime in 2014. If he had a diagnosisthen, at what stage was it? But then you also can't say "his last few days" because no one knew those would be "his last few days" prior. Again it would fall back on at what stage was he if PC was the diagnosis? As you've experienced with your cousin, it's an aggressive disease.

purplefam99 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The last bit was intended as sarcasm. But anyway...

Noone would have been able to figure out what P was up to without his knowing. That being the real point: the media would never discover if Prince was taking drugs, if he took enough care in hiding the habit. Nobody knew before Michael Jackson died - apart from a couple of assistants - that he was using an anaesthetic drug to go to sleep every night.

Ok thx

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People knew for a long time that Michael was on something. Just look at his physical appearance in his last few years--he was totally out of it. People close to him knew. He was on a downward spiral and the sexual allegations drove him over the edge. He felt everyone betrayed him and he could trust no one.......sorry, that's a whole other subject.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

None of this matters because you do not know what else was going on with his health. We do not have the reason he accelerated the use of these pills in January 2016 and we have no evidence that he was abusing these pills for 30 years. You do not seem to understand the different between abuse and an Rx. I believe at some time in his life he was prescribed these meds and we know he had a an Rx after surgery.

The biographies and docs that you have looked at tell us nothing concrete about his health and you are willing to believe those but not what I and others are telling you that is coming from family members.

Some random producer at Channel 5 knows more then Prince's family members? You need to step back on attacking anyone's critical thinking skills if your proof is a television program and tabloid media. See below. This is it in a nutshell.

"There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware"

You might have a problem with the Channel 5 documentary but it revealed more than you can ever know. Yes according to the guy who did the interview with Prince in '85 and who was his high school friend, Neal Karlen, Prince really was shy and private. Who would have thought eh?! I think I'll choose to believe the likes of Karen Krattinger, Wendy Melvoin, Maya Washington, Chaka Khan even if they weren't saying the sun shone out of his ass. Objectivity

And for the final time (but probably not) P was taking illicit opiates. No evidence of doctor shopping, or being stopping from taking legally prescribed stuff, and even were that the case, that too would point to long term addiction.

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Chaka has been pretty silent since Prince's death. Did she know Prince was using Fentanyl, or is she just following what the media is saying of drug addiction?

Maybe they haven't released a statement because there's nothing to say -- there's no secret terminal illness to reveal or any other deep dark mystery. Maybe the truth is simply what it looks like.

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And perhaps they simply don't have the info some folks here want. Even Tyka might not know everything about what was going on in Prince's life. Yes, she'd know information in his full autopsy, but again, maybe there's just nothing there of relevance and the autopsy summary says all that matters. And whatever his struggles were with opioids or other physical or mental health issues -- just because his family were related doesn't mean they know all the ins and outs.

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Finally, they may just want to let their relative rest in peace and move on with their lives and their memories of him, and not spend time engaging in online debates with conspiracy theorist or other fan groups who will likely never be satisfied with what they say. Frankly, if I were them, I'd stay away from all these discussions.

PennyPurple said:

I think it's past time the Nelson's make a statement.

cloveringold85 said:

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I would have the utmost respect for the Nelson's if they released a public statement concerning Prince's death.

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It sure doesn't make any sense. My husband watched his father die from cancer. I have seen what it does to people. I'm so sorry about your cousin. When my Mother passed, the doctor told me she may have had lung cancer, but she was too weak for them to do a biopsy. Life can be so cruel sometimes.

My only guess is that the family is respecting his wishes, Paul. I understand his desire for privacy, but agree that it is unusual to prefer the adddiction scenario if he had a malignancy.

paulludvig said:

Misslink88 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yes, for me it will have to come from Tyka, she and possibly Omarr would be the only ones of that bunch I would believe.

It doesn't make sense. If he had this type of cancer, there is no way he would be able to throw a party, ride a bike or anything else in his last few days. let alone give a concert the week before. The type of pain that comes with that cancer is terrible. My cousin died of it. She didn't make it 3 weeks after being diagnosed.

Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. The thing with not knowing for sure if he had PC is the timing of everything. For instance, Tyka alluded to knowing something was up sometime in 2014. If he had a diagnosisthen, at what stage was it? But then you also can't say "his last few days" because no one knew those would be "his last few days" prior. Again it would fall back on at what stage was he if PC was the diagnosis? As you've experienced with your cousin, it's an aggressive disease.

I know that PC is brutal. The longest I've seen somebody live with it, was Patrick Swayze and I think he went to a different country for some kind of treatment. Knowing now those were Prince's last days, I don't think it was PC. If it was PC and that is why he told Tyka what he did in 2014 he wouldn't have made it to 2016, it's that fast moving and brutal.

I think he may have had something like leukemia, I wouldn't be surprised if he was diagnosed in 2014, went thru treatment, in remission and it came back, and the 2nd time there was nothing they could do.

My dad had stomach cancer, he was having problems for months before he went to the Dr. throat problems, stomach problems, problems swallowing, problems eating. He was diagnosed and with in 2 weeks, died. From what Prince's chef's have said, it wouldn't surprise me if P had throat or stomach cancer.

All of the above is just my opinion, nothing is fact, just my thoughts.

I also don't think that P had been a heavy drug user for years. He may have dallied with them on and off, but he was on these pills for a reason, and like I have seen personally, you need more and more to control the pain, the Drs are starting to get strict to who they give them to, P's pills were ordered off the street or over the internet and it was a bad batch, and nobody knew it.

Again, it's just my thoughts. I just don't think it was PC.

Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quasi-cryptic, pseudo, matter-of-not-fact, Pupper Master, drive-by style... that's you

There you go, crying again. Please do keep coming back at me so I can continue to laugh at you.

I truthfully do not believe this mystery will ever be resolved.

disch said:

While I’m likely to really only believe what Tyka says.
I agree with just about everything you said especially the part about his family
Just wanting to let him rest and staying away from all debates.

If Tyka said she received an e-mail about his death how would she not know?

disch said:

Maybe they haven't released a statement because there's nothing to say -- there's no secret terminal illness to reveal or any other deep dark mystery. Maybe the truth is simply what it looks like.

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And perhaps they simply don't have the info some folks here want. Even Tyka might not know everything about what was going on in Prince's life. Yes, she'd know information in his full autopsy, but again, maybe there's just nothing there of relevance and the autopsy summary says all that matters. And whatever his struggles were with opioids or other physical or mental health issues -- just because his family were related doesn't mean they know all the ins and outs.

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Finally, they may just want to let their relative rest in peace and move on with their lives and their memories of him, and not spend time engaging in online debates with conspiracy theorist or other fan groups who will likely never be satisfied with what they say. Frankly, if I were them, I'd stay away from all these discussions.

PennyPurple said:

I think it's past time the Nelson's make a statement.

fortuneandserendipity said:

udo said:

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Need confirmation first, but this is interesting.

Questions that follow:

Where was the tumor?

Since when did he know he had this?

This could (!) explain the opioids partly: if he really had cancer in certain areas, he could have gotten prescriptions for painkillers.

So either he had this for a while and/or this case was not deemed severe enough for prescription opioids yet still an obstacle for his everyday life...

Weird how virtually every drug in his possession was illicit. Nobody with cancer these days escapes palliative care (unless you're american and broke maybe)

He decided he did not want care. You realize this type of Cancer has a low survial rate.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Weird how virtually every drug in his possession was illicit. Nobody with cancer these days escapes palliative care (unless you're american and broke maybe)

He decided he did not want care. You realize this type of Cancer has a low survial rate.

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He arranged palliative care himself.

So this shows he cannot get legal, private palliative care?

udo said:

laurarichardson said:

He decided he did not want care. You realize this type of Cancer has a low survial rate.

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He arranged palliative care himself.

So this shows he cannot get legal, private palliative care?

What do you mean cannot? He had a choice just like anyone else and choose not to have it. Remember Dr. S wrote pain meds he claims for Kirk that were found in Prince's belongings.

Think about it he is suppose to be going thru withdrawals but this Dr. wrote pain pills for him under someone else's name and yet is not going to be prosecuted for it.

Perhaps because the doctor was treating him for Cancer and not just joint pain. I remember seeing on one of the websites that Dr S was listed as a critcal care doctor. He was not bringing him test results to tell him he was a drug addict. For all we know the cancer may have just been at the begining stages and starting to worsen. See pics of him from Australia to Atlanta he was getting worse. We all have seen pill heads in the media and they do not lose muscle mass they way he had loss his.

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I am going to put this out there just to jog everyone's memory AND this is not meant to

1. Trickychristopher has stated several times that he/she is close to the inner circle just as stawberrylova has, and Trickychristopher has insinuated that Prince did have AIDS related cancer.
2. This would be a reason the family would rather leave the narrative "as is"
3. when the employee at the pharmacy told Prince they would pray for him when he went in and looked ill during one of his last trips to the pharmacy (paraphrasing)..Prince supposedly responded "maybe your prayers would've helped a year ago". To me, if true...this statement gives a timeline on when he realized he was terminal, IF in fact he was.
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precioux said:

Trust me p didn't have aids related cancer! He had what i stated which was pancreatic cancer

Strawberrylova123 said:

Ok, if you're so close to the situation then maybe you can answer the question as to why the family would leave the narrative as is instead of just putting it out there that he had PC? Every single interview of Prince's family/friends includes the question "well, were you aware of the drug use?"...it's disgusting...WHY NOT PUT THAT TO REST when given the opportunity instead of allowing "the world" to believe it was "just another Rock Star OD"....please answer this, and no...I don't believe it would be to "protect his privacy"

precioux said:

I am going to put this out there just to jog everyone's memory AND this is not meant to 1. Trickychristopher has stated several times that he/she is close to the inner circle just as stawberrylova has, and Trickychristopher has insinuated that Prince did have AIDS related cancer. 2. This would be a reason the family would rather leave the narrative "as is" 3. when the employee at the pharmacy told Prince they would pray for him when he went in and looked ill during one of his last trips to the pharmacy (paraphrasing)..Prince supposedly responded "maybe your prayers would've helped a year ago". To me, if true...this statement gives a timeline on when he realized he was terminal, IF in fact he was. [Edited 12/30/17 21:54pm]

Mulefunk also claims to be close to the situation.

Mulefunk, TrickyChristopher, Strawberry all claim to be close to the inner circle and all 3 have a different story.

laurarichardson said:

udo said:

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He arranged palliative care himself.

So this shows he cannot get legal, private palliative care?

What do you mean cannot? He had a choice just like anyone else and choose not to have it.

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The deadly pills were most likely not prescribed legally.

Your statement implies there is suitable legal palliative care available for this medical condition. Thanks for this info.

Remember Dr. S wrote pain meds he claims for Kirk that were found in Prince's belongings.

Think about it he is suppose to be going thru withdrawals but this Dr. wrote pain pills for him under someone else's name and yet is not going to be prosecuted for it.

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So he had two problems:

- The pancreatic cancer

- Addiction to opioids

Perhaps because the doctor was treating him for Cancer and not just joint pain. I remember seeing on one of the websites that Dr S was listed as a critcal care doctor. He was not bringing him test results to tell him he was a drug addict. For all we know the cancer may have just been at the begining stages and starting to worsen.

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In such cases it is normal to use chemo therapy if operating, radiation therapy are not effective enough or even too dangerous.

Nowhere I read about non-palliative medication. This does not mean this medication was not prescribed/used but it is not confirmed.

Also keep in mind that prince was using odansetrone
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Strawberrylova123 said:

Also keep in mind that prince was using odansetrone [Edited 12/30/17 23:30pm]

For those that don't know:

Ondansetron, marketed under the brand name Zofran, is a medication used to prevent nausea and vomiting caused by cancer chemotherapy, radiation therapy, or surgery.^[1] It is also useful in gastroenteritis.^[2][3] It has little effect on vomiting caused by motion sickness.^[4] It can be given by mouth, or by injection into a muscle or into a vein.^[1]

Also bear in mind that you don't have to be in chemo or radiation to receive this drug.

PennyPurple said:

—-I cannot speak for the others but this information about cancer comes from family members. Prince had dozens of cousins they may have known nothing while he was ill but they would certainly be aware by this time. As far as AIDS is concerned I suspect people would be suing the estate left and right.

precioux said:

I am going to put this out there just to jog everyone's memory AND this is not meant to 1. Trickychristopher has stated several times that he/she is close to the inner circle just as stawberrylova has, and Trickychristopher has insinuated that Prince did have AIDS related cancer. 2. This would be a reason the family would rather leave the narrative "as is" 3. when the employee at the pharmacy told Prince they would pray for him when he went in and looked ill during one of his last trips to the pharmacy (paraphrasing)..Prince supposedly responded "maybe your prayers would've helped a year ago". To me, if true...this statement gives a timeline on when he realized he was terminal, IF in fact he was. [Edited 12/30/17 21:54pm]

I don't buy the AIDS theory because NOT ONE PERSON ever associated with him has ever come down with it in, what, some 40 odd years. I believe he was very careful in that arena.

PennyPurple said:

Misslink88 said:

Firstly, I'm sorry for your loss. The thing with not knowing for sure if he had PC is the timing of everything. For instance, Tyka alluded to knowing something was up sometime in 2014. If he had a diagnosisthen, at what stage was it? But then you also can't say "his last few days" because no one knew those would be "his last few days" prior. Again it would fall back on at what stage was he if PC was the diagnosis? As you've experienced with your cousin, it's an aggressive disease.

I know that PC is brutal. The longest I've seen somebody live with it, was Patrick Swayze and I think he went to a different country for some kind of treatment. Knowing now those were Prince's last days, I don't think it was PC. If it was PC and that is why he told Tyka what he did in 2014 he wouldn't have made it to 2016, it's that fast moving and brutal.

I think he may have had something like leukemia, I wouldn't be surprised if he was diagnosed in 2014, went thru treatment, in remission and it came back, and the 2nd time there was nothing they could do.

My dad had stomach cancer, he was having problems for months before he went to the Dr. throat problems, stomach problems, problems swallowing, problems eating. He was diagnosed and with in 2 weeks, died. From what Prince's chef's have said, it wouldn't surprise me if P had throat or stomach cancer.

All of the above is just my opinion, nothing is fact, just my thoughts.

I also don't think that P had been a heavy drug user for years. He may have dallied with them on and off, but he was on these pills for a reason, and like I have seen personally, you need more and more to control the pain, the Drs are starting to get strict to who they give them to, P's pills were ordered off the street or over the internet and it was a bad batch, and nobody knew it.

Again, it's just my thoughts. I just don't think it was PC.

Wow...I'm sorry to hear your family has had such a rough go of it.

I'm not asking you to "buy a theory"....I'm restating what has been said by those "close to the inner circle",period. Furthermore, not one of these people have given a definitive answer as to if in fact Prince did have cancer-why the hell let it go on as a rock star OD?? Why not just put that to rest with a simple statement. There is no shame in having cancer, so why be secretive about it??

Your last statement may be your answer...because he WAS very careful in that department, not only are there no lawsuits, there aren't any other children.

Again, I'm not pushing an agenda-I just want an answer, because I DO believe Prince was terminal. And the question is why the hell would the family allow the drugged out rock star narrative to continue if he in fact was terminal with cancer???? To allow that narrative to continue is inexcusable...unless there was shame attached to a larger degree than the current narrative.... I'm still waiting, as I have directly put this question to those claiming it was cancer and their info was gotten "directly from" Prince's inner circle.

Misslink88 said:

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Mumio said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Quasi-cryptic, pseudo, matter-of-not-fact, Pupper Master, drive-by style... that's you

There you go, crying again. Please do keep coming back at me so I can continue to laugh at you.

Alcohol problem? As a friend of mine once said, you're weird. Herb4 also had you sussed. You don't add anything constructive, just jump on people occasionally.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it's past time the Nelson's make a statement.

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And like you said, if Prince had Pancreatic Cancer, it would be next to impossible to have parties and doing tours in that condition. He would be bed-ridden. He sang beautifully in ATL, and no one could sing like that if they were in excruciating pain.

Agreed, if you've ever witnessed someone die of stage 4 cancer, then you know. It comes across like toothache but in the body.

fortuneandserendipity said:

cloveringold85 said:

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And like you said, if Prince had Pancreatic Cancer, it would be next to impossible to have parties and doing tours in that condition. He would be bed-ridden. He sang beautifully in ATL, and no one could sing like that if they were in excruciating pain.

Agreed, if you've ever witnessed someone die of stage 4 cancer, then you know. It comes across like toothache but in the body.

i always thought it was the treatments that caused cancer patients such dispair. that when

they stopped treatment they at least could move about more normally. i don't know if PC is different

but i thought it was the treatments that made you the sickest. maybe without dibiliating treatments

and with the help of a few pain meds he was able to do a show, hold parties and ride his bike to the end and wanted it that way.