laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

To break this down as succinctly as I can.

- The suboxone was actually ondansetron - there was no suboxone found at Paisley Park

- P didn't want rehab, at least until the last week, and even then it was his associates trying to get him help. Most likely KJ informing his publicist, if we're to believe what was reported

- You do not know when that blood test was taken, P saw Dr S earlier in the month as well

- You have no idea what he was being tested for. Literally hundreds of different things can be tested in the blood

- You keep refusing to believe that opiate addiction or opiate dependence can make someone feel quite ill. As in needing lots of tests to find out what's wrong kind of ill. There's a reason why the Soundgarden guy and Faith No More guy and Linkin Park guy all died in middle age. Their bodies had taken a toll from long term addiction.

- It's possible P had the same problem, long-term addiction to opiates resulting in a ever-worsening health situation in particular affecting his throat and digestive system, leading him to believe that he didn't have long to live. But you will refuse to believe this because of your obsessive ridiculously subjective slant on it. Delusions abound.

1. We discussed this on reply 1265 and 1273. A subxone pill was found at PP>

2. You have no idea what he wanted. We cannot believe what was reported. Remember we were told he od on percocet, that he left Moline immediatly in a huff, and the cameras were turned off. All lies.

3. We know from Dr. S speaking to the police that he was bringing test results from the day before. What medical test outside of X-Rays, Scans or blood pressure does not require a withdrawal of some sort of tissue or blood? No one is bringing a blood pressure test result to your home and X-Rays and scans can be done on the spot.

Yes, hundreds of things usually to see if one is ill. Unless you are donating blood what other reason do you have blood withdrawn. I do know pain pill addiction can make someone ill. I realize it can cause organ damage or one can just have organ damage which would require that all pain medication cease immediately which would cause severe withdrawal. Something I said back in 2016.

You do not need lots of test for liver or kidney problems. I know people who get these test all the time because so many meds can damage these organs. Even people who have legit Rxs It would not take long to find out if he had problems.

Or he could have had health issues that caused pain which would have made it hard to stop taking pain meds. Or maybe he had no choice but to take pain meds to the point of becoming addicted.

I have had a problem with an organ and I can tell you anyone you would be eating whole bottles of pain meds if your organs were on fire. This appears to be a tidbit you cannot comprehend.

The pain pills may have been the solution to termianl pain that was not going to go away rehab or know rehab. Items in bold are hints.

[Edited 12/28/17 13:09pm]

1. I'm going off reply 1269. It makes more sense to me. We know from official document ondanestron was found. We have no confirmation about suboxone found in PP. Occam's Razor I'm afraid

2. It's obvious to anyone P wasn't keen on rehab. Occam's Razor again. We also know he OD'd on a plane diverted to Moline; He wasn't keen on staying there a while, apparently leaving before he should (he didn't like hospitals); and cameras were turned off before they were removed.

3. I don't know what you're driving at. P saw Dr Schulenberg twice in April. "During his two visits, Dr. Schulenberg performed tests and prescribed medication for an undisclosed ailment", the affidavit said. Which tells us nowt as far as extent, or type of ailment afflicting him.

I mean, we all get prescribed medication from time to time. Difference is, if we're all opiate users we're probably going to need tests and/or further medication, sooner or later.

As for your bolded statements, I can only say this: 'This is what happens when you spin things to get the narrative you want'....oh wait they're your words

bonatoc said:

Misslink88 said:

Actually, I do understand - from first-hand experience. Quit them cold turkey, years ago, after 2 years. No "withdrawal" symptoms. I've seen it in other people as well. The difficulty is whitewashing everyone's experience with one's own. I recognize that not everyone could quit cold turkey without discomfort; I also recognize not everyone will become addicted physically. You can just look @ people who quit smoking - some have a very difficult time (nicotine is highly addictive) while others never think about it again. The mind is a very powerful tool if used correctly.

I agree, but don't underestimate the importance of surroundings and events in the process of withdrawal.
They can help, or drag you down.

I still wonder about the impact of Vanity's demise.
It reminds me the classic case of a couple, where one dies and the other follows soon after.

The P&M Tour is something an artist who is at the end of his career would do: a point for Tyka and her statements.
But then again, the SISIA recording anniversary, the "save your prayers", the surveillance cameras, they all could be things we interpret afterwards.
I can understand some of us who consider the coincidences to be too many, and look for additional reasons and clues.

fortuneandserendipity, Prince died of an accidental opiod overdose.
He could have been an addict, but this doesn't mean he was doomed to leave this way.
The visit of Andrew Kornfeld suggests that after the Moline incident, Prince or his entourage finally decided it was time to take action.
Had he taken his regular pills that night, he may as well be just another addict superstar in rehab as I write.

I've bolded and underlined your response for those who claim to be "open minded" and then proceed to ignore any and every other possibility or real life counter-example other than their "he was a drug addict for years" narrative, which really has no basis in fact. I've just re-listened to Scotty Baldwin's interview wherein he stated that 2004 was "the height of his hip issues" and that, because P was so multi-talented, the lack of dancing in his live shows didn't take anything away from them. In dealing with it, P simply chose to play more guitar instead. Also, your point about Vanity - in a lot of ways, she was a freaking, hot mess before and after her redemption that, no matter how he felt about her, could never have transpired into any kind of a re-concilliation because of his public persona. I get an odd sense about their relationship (although the heart wants what the heart wants and only he knows about that) but I'm not sure I buy into the soul mates aspect of it. I believe they genuinely loved and cared for each other once and that the nostalgia of it was a far greater draw than the reality.

lemoncrush19 said:

Misslink88 said:

The mind is a very powerful tool if used correctly.

unfortunately it's as powerful if used incorrectly.
there're some orgers who would stop posting the way they do immediatly if they knew one or two things about that

You are absolutely correct on that

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

1. We discussed this on reply 1265 and 1273. A subxone pill was found at PP>

2. You have no idea what he wanted. We cannot believe what was reported. Remember we were told he od on percocet, that he left Moline immediatly in a huff, and the cameras were turned off. All lies.

3. We know from Dr. S speaking to the police that he was bringing test results from the day before. What medical test outside of X-Rays, Scans or blood pressure does not require a withdrawal of some sort of tissue or blood? No one is bringing a blood pressure test result to your home and X-Rays and scans can be done on the spot.

Yes, hundreds of things usually to see if one is ill. Unless you are donating blood what other reason do you have blood withdrawn. I do know pain pill addiction can make someone ill. I realize it can cause organ damage or one can just have organ damage which would require that all pain medication cease immediately which would cause severe withdrawal. Something I said back in 2016.

You do not need lots of test for liver or kidney problems. I know people who get these test all the time because so many meds can damage these organs. Even people who have legit Rxs It would not take long to find out if he had problems.

Or he could have had health issues that caused pain which would have made it hard to stop taking pain meds. Or maybe he had no choice but to take pain meds to the point of becoming addicted.

I have had a problem with an organ and I can tell you anyone you would be eating whole bottles of pain meds if your organs were on fire. This appears to be a tidbit you cannot comprehend.

The pain pills may have been the solution to termianl pain that was not going to go away rehab or know rehab. Items in bold are hints.

[Edited 12/28/17 13:09pm]

1. I'm going off reply 1269. It makes more sense to me. We know from official document ondanestron was found. We have no confirmation about suboxone found in PP. Occam's Razor I'm afraid

2. It's obvious to anyone P wasn't keen on rehab. Occam's Razor again. We also know he OD'd on a plane diverted to Moline; He wasn't keen on staying there a while, apparently leaving before he should (he didn't like hospitals); and cameras were turned off before they were removed.

3. I don't know what you're driving at. P saw Dr Schulenberg twice in April. "During his two visits, Dr. Schulenberg performed tests and prescribed medication for an undisclosed ailment", the affidavit said. Which tells us nowt as far as extent, or type of ailment afflicting him.

I mean, we all get prescribed medication from time to time. Difference is, if we're all opiate users we're probably going to need tests and/or further medication, sooner or later.

As for your bolded statements, I can only say this: 'This is what happens when you spin things to get the narrative you want'....oh wait they're your words

We know from the search warrant that another orange pill with an N8 on it was found. If you look up Suboxone it is an orange pill with an N8 on it. We do not have a description of the shape on the one 8N pill that was found but we a pic. What are the chances that someone struggling with withdrawal would have a pill that fits the description of the withdrawal pill he would need? Think about it.

2. It is not obvious because we still do not know the details of the stituation concerning rehab. A rehab rep was coming to see him so he was either going to listen or not listen but someone was coming.

3. He saw Dr. S the day before he died. Would Prince need test a that

required to brought the next day for his blood pressure, nausea, or just to be tested to see if he was withdrawing because the meds the doctor wrote him were for blood pressure and nausea. What test the require over night processing for those meds?

4. No the bold statement are what happens when you know things. I am sorry you can't get it.

[Edited 12/28/17 14:31pm]

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

1. We discussed this on reply 1265 and 1273. A subxone pill was found at PP>

2. You have no idea what he wanted. We cannot believe what was reported. Remember we were told he od on percocet, that he left Moline immediatly in a huff, and the cameras were turned off. All lies.

3. We know from Dr. S speaking to the police that he was bringing test results from the day before. What medical test outside of X-Rays, Scans or blood pressure does not require a withdrawal of some sort of tissue or blood? No one is bringing a blood pressure test result to your home and X-Rays and scans can be done on the spot.

Yes, hundreds of things usually to see if one is ill. Unless you are donating blood what other reason do you have blood withdrawn. I do know pain pill addiction can make someone ill. I realize it can cause organ damage or one can just have organ damage which would require that all pain medication cease immediately which would cause severe withdrawal. Something I said back in 2016.

You do not need lots of test for liver or kidney problems. I know people who get these test all the time because so many meds can damage these organs. Even people who have legit Rxs It would not take long to find out if he had problems.

Or he could have had health issues that caused pain which would have made it hard to stop taking pain meds. Or maybe he had no choice but to take pain meds to the point of becoming addicted.

I have had a problem with an organ and I can tell you anyone you would be eating whole bottles of pain meds if your organs were on fire. This appears to be a tidbit you cannot comprehend.

The pain pills may have been the solution to termianl pain that was not going to go away rehab or know rehab. Items in bold are hints.

[Edited 12/28/17 13:09pm]

2. It's obvious to anyone P wasn't keen on rehab. Occam's Razor again. We also know he OD'd on a plane diverted to Moline; He wasn't keen on staying there a while, apparently leaving before he should (he didn't like hospitals); and cameras were turned off before they were removed.

So your statements are more imperial because you use the words "Occam's Razor"? People crack me up when they do that stuff. Especially around here, except they never stand up to a direct question.

I mean you say it is "obvious", though you didn't personally know anything in his life he's done that wasn't done in public. So how is that obvious?

morningsong said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

2. It's obvious to anyone P wasn't keen on rehab. Occam's Razor again. We also know he OD'd on a plane diverted to Moline; He wasn't keen on staying there a while, apparently leaving before he should (he didn't like hospitals); and cameras were turned off before they were removed.

So your statements are more imperial because you use the words "Occam's Razor"? People crack me up when they do that stuff. Especially around here, except they never stand up to a direct question.

I mean you say it is "obvious", though you didn't personally know anything in his life he's done that wasn't done in public. So how is that obvious?

Many things are not obvious because of unknow factors. Things that are obvious are ignored LOL

[Edited 12/28/17 14:43pm]

laurarichardson said:

Things look they way the do because he wanted it this way. Who do you think took those cameras out and gave everybody the week off?

[Edited 12/28/17 12:35pm]

Laura is absolutely correct. There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware

Misslink88 said:

Actually, I do understand - from first-hand experience. Quit them cold turkey, years ago, after 2 years. No "withdrawal" symptoms. I've seen it in other people as well. The difficulty is whitewashing everyone's experience with one's own. I recognize that not everyone could quit cold turkey without discomfort; I also recognize not everyone will become addicted physically. You can just look @ people who quit smoking - some have a very difficult time (nicotine is highly addictive) while others never think about it again. The mind is a very powerful tool if used correctly.

Thanks for that Misslink88. It's not easy to divulge this kind of info in a public setting. And it's true that not everyone experiences an addiction and the ending of that addiction the same way

Misslink88 said:

Also, your point about Vanity - in a lot of ways, she was a freaking, hot mess before and after her redemption that, no matter how he felt about her, could never have transpired into any kind of a re-concilliation because of his public persona. I get an odd sense about their relationship (although the heart wants what the heart wants and only he knows about that) but I'm not sure I buy into the soul mates aspect of it. I believe they genuinely loved and cared for each other once and that the nostalgia of it was a far greater draw than the reality.

YES. Absolutely all of this, but especially the bolded.

[Edited 12/28/17 15:39pm]

Suboxone was found at PP that we are 100% sure of, because it was in Andrews bag.

The other orange pill with 8 on it, could possibly be suboxone, but we don't know for sure because the warrant didn't tell us the shape of the pill.

PennyPurple said:

Suboxone was found at PP that we are 100% sure of, because it was in Andrews bag.

The other orange pill with 8 on it, could possibly be suboxone, but we don't know for sure because the warrant didn't tell us the shape of the pill.

Very true, Penny. Wish the officer had been more clear.

Also from a different search warrant (for the Apple Computer):

"Your Affiant was made aware by witnesses that were interviewed at the scene, that Prince recently had a history of going through withdrawals, which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication.

Further, Your Affiant received information from interviews conducted, that Prince's assistants had arranged a meeting between Prince and medical professionals to assess and address Prince's medical concerns. Your affiant learned that Prince had “passed out” during a flight from Atlanta, Ga to Minneapolis on Thursday 04-14-16 into Friday 04-15-16 after a concert in Atlanta. Prince's private jet made an emergency stop at the Quad International Airport in Moline, Il. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1 – 2 “pain pills”.

Because of the information received regarding Prince's recent drug overdose and facts surrounding the unwitnessed death of Prince Rogers Nelson, A search warrant was obtained and executed on 4-021-16 at 1428 hours to search the residence of Prince Rogers Nelson."

Mumio said:

Misslink88 said:

Actually, I do understand - from first-hand experience. Quit them cold turkey, years ago, after 2 years. No "withdrawal" symptoms. I've seen it in other people as well. The difficulty is whitewashing everyone's experience with one's own. I recognize that not everyone could quit cold turkey without discomfort; I also recognize not everyone will become addicted physically. You can just look @ people who quit smoking - some have a very difficult time (nicotine is highly addictive) while others never think about it again. The mind is a very powerful tool if used correctly.

Thanks for that Misslink88. It's not easy to divulge this kind of info in a public setting. And it's true that not everyone experiences an addiction and the ending of that addiction the same way

It's not a preferred thing to discuss, Mumio, but every person on this planet has had or is having some kind of struggle. The human condition. As he said, we're all in this together. More understanding and compassion can't hurt, can it?

Mumio said:

Misslink88 said:

Also, your point about Vanity - in a lot of ways, she was a freaking, hot mess before and after her redemption that, no matter how he felt about her, could never have transpired into any kind of a re-concilliation because of his public persona. I get an odd sense about their relationship (although the heart wants what the heart wants and only he knows about that) but I'm not sure I buy into the soul mates aspect of it. I believe they genuinely loved and cared for each other once and that the nostalgia of it was a far greater draw than the reality.

YES. Absolutely all of this, but especially the bolded.

[Edited 12/28/17 15:39pm]

The only problem is that according to her brother -in- law they two of them stayed in touch for years.

He has said he has the e-mails and letters. He also said they go back together around the Batman era.

Remember Jill said he had private and public relationship.

morningsong said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

2. It's obvious to anyone P wasn't keen on rehab. Occam's Razor again. We also know he OD'd on a plane diverted to Moline; He wasn't keen on staying there a while, apparently leaving before he should (he didn't like hospitals); and cameras were turned off before they were removed.

So your statements are more imperial because you use the words "Occam's Razor"? People crack me up when they do that stuff. Especially around here, except they never stand up to a direct question.

I mean you say it is "obvious", though you didn't personally know anything in his life he's done that wasn't done in public. So how is that obvious?

Ok let me break it down so you can understand. We can be pretty sure P had opiate withdrawal problems going back to January '16. It could have gone back years.
For instance in Rolling Stone interview in '14 when asked about MJ his answer was 'it's too close to me'. I'm not ruling out decades of use, because we don't know either way. We do know, to put it bluntly, P was a control freak. And he would have been cognizant of pride vs shame emotions, being in the public eye as a 'celebrity'. It would only be human if he didn't want the world to know about his recent isses.

In point of fact, we're actually unaware of any attempt on his part to seek out rehab. A couple of his associates did reach out to someone in the last week and even then we don't know P consented. Based on above, Occam's Razor

And by the way, if you manage to read the biographies and watch the documentaries, like the one shown on channel 5 which seemed to cause a stir, you get a better picture of the man behind the music. It's called being objective and not looking at things through rose-tinted lenses.

fortuneandserendipity said:

morningsong said:

So your statements are more imperial because you use the words "Occam's Razor"? People crack me up when they do that stuff. Especially around here, except they never stand up to a direct question.

I mean you say it is "obvious", though you didn't personally know anything in his life he's done that wasn't done in public. So how is that obvious?

Ok let me break it down so you can understand. We can be pretty sure P had opiate withdrawal problems going back to January '16. It could have gone back years.
For instance in Rolling Stone interview in '14 when asked about MJ his answer was 'it's too close to me'. I'm not ruling out decades of use, because we don't know either way. We do know, to put it bluntly, P was a control freak. And he would have been cognizant of pride vs shame emotions, being in the public eye as a 'celebrity'. It would only be human if he didn't want the world to know about his recent isses.

In point of fact, we're actually unaware of any attempt on his part to seek out rehab. A couple of his associates did reach out to someone in the last week and even then we don't know P consented. Based on above, Occam's Razor

And by the way, if you manage to read the biographies and watch the documentaries, like the one shown on channel 5 which seemed to cause a stir, you get a better picture of the man behind the music. It's called being objective and not looking at things through rose-tinted lenses.

None of this matters because you do not know what else was going on with his health. We do not have the reason he accelerated the use of these pills in January 2016 or a sudden withdrawal and we have no evidence that he was abusing these pills for 30 years. You do not seem to understand the different between abuse and an Rx. I believe at some time in his life he was prescribed these meds and we know he had a an Rx after surgery.

The biographies and docs that you have looked at tell us nothing concrete about his health and you are willing to believe those but not what I and others are telling you is coming from family members.

Some random producer at Channel 5 knows more then Prince's family members? You need to step back on attacking anyone's critical thinking skills if your proof is a television program and tabloid media. See below. This is it in a nutshell.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware"

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Edited 12/29/17 5:28am]

Misslink88 said:

Actually, I do understand - from first-hand experience. Quit them cold turkey, years ago, after 2 years. No "withdrawal" symptoms. I've seen it in other people as well. The difficulty is whitewashing everyone's experience with one's own. I recognize that not everyone could quit cold turkey without discomfort; I also recognize not everyone will become addicted physically. You can just look @ people who quit smoking - some have a very difficult time (nicotine is highly addictive) while others never think about it again. The mind is a very powerful tool if used correctly.

wow and wow

I don't want to invalidate your experience but that sounds like defying the laws of physics and biology. I tried to quit nicotine once, found it difficult, tried a second time, this time swapping in cacao (not cocoa, plebs) and rhodiola rosea, and barely noticed any withdrawal. It was there but I just kept myself busy.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Ok let me break it down so you can understand. We can be pretty sure P had opiate withdrawal problems going back to January '16. It could have gone back years.
For instance in Rolling Stone interview in '14 when asked about MJ his answer was 'it's too close to me'. I'm not ruling out decades of use, because we don't know either way. We do know, to put it bluntly, P was a control freak. And he would have been cognizant of pride vs shame emotions, being in the public eye as a 'celebrity'. It would only be human if he didn't want the world to know about his recent isses.

In point of fact, we're actually unaware of any attempt on his part to seek out rehab. A couple of his associates did reach out to someone in the last week and even then we don't know P consented. Based on above, Occam's Razor

And by the way, if you manage to read the biographies and watch the documentaries, like the one shown on channel 5 which seemed to cause a stir, you get a better picture of the man behind the music. It's called being objective and not looking at things through rose-tinted lenses.

None of this matters because you do not know what else was going on with his health. We do not have the reason he accelerated the use of these pills in January 2016 and we have no evidence that he was abusing these pills for 30 years. You do not seem to understand the different between abuse and an Rx. I believe at some time in his life he was prescribed these meds and we know he had a an Rx after surgery.

The biographies and docs that you have looked at tell us nothing concrete about his health and you are willing to believe those but not what I and others are telling you that is coming from family members.

Some random producer at Channel 5 knows more then Prince's family members? You need to step back on attacking anyone's critical thinking skills if your proof is a television program and tabloid media. See below. This is it in a nutshell.

"There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware"

You might have a problem with the Channel 5 documentary but it revealed more than you can ever know. Yes according to the guy who did the interview with Prince in '85 and who was his high school friend, Neal Karlen, Prince really was shy and private. Who would have thought eh?! I think I'll choose to believe the likes of Karen Krattinger, Wendy Melvoin, Maya Washington, Chaka Khan even if they weren't saying the sun shone out of his ass. Objectivity

And for the final time (but probably not) P was taking illicit opiates. No evidence of doctor shopping, or being stopping from taking legally prescribed stuff, and even were that the case, that too would point to long term addiction.

So, I’ve seen this quote around and allusions to it being know,

“There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware"

From this I’m gathering that some people including Laura have been clued into what happened or the situation was. Why is this being waved at us as if to say ‘we know. You don’t. And we won’t tell’ yet continue to come to the thread in an all knowing yet unsaying manner.

Just say or explain further please or stop teasing! Otherwise it’s just stroking egoes. Just wondering.

fortuneandserendipity said:

And by the way, if you manage to read the biographies and watch the documentaries, like the one shown on channel 5 which seemed to cause a stir, you get a better picture of the man behind the music. It's called being objective and not looking at things through rose-tinted lenses.

no. it will never be objective to believe whatever others may tell about a third person cuz they - by nature - can't be objective. everyone's opinion is bound to be subjective. just bc someone printed it in a book or channel 5 aired it it doesn't become the truth. that's where all gossip gets started ...

and no again. the alternative isn't watching the world through rose tinted lenses, but taking opinions exactly for what they are - opinions.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

None of this matters because you do not know what else was going on with his health. We do not have the reason he accelerated the use of these pills in January 2016 and we have no evidence that he was abusing these pills for 30 years. You do not seem to understand the different between abuse and an Rx. I believe at some time in his life he was prescribed these meds and we know he had a an Rx after surgery.

The biographies and docs that you have looked at tell us nothing concrete about his health and you are willing to believe those but not what I and others are telling you that is coming from family members.

Some random producer at Channel 5 knows more then Prince's family members? You need to step back on attacking anyone's critical thinking skills if your proof is a television program and tabloid media. See below. This is it in a nutshell.

"There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware"

You might have a problem with the Channel 5 documentary but it revealed more than you can ever know. Yes according to the guy who did the interview with Prince in '85 and who was his high school friend, Neal Karlen, Prince really was shy and private. Who would have thought eh?! I think I'll choose to believe the likes of Karen Krattinger, Wendy Melvoin, Maya Washington, Chaka Khan even if they weren't saying the sun shone out of his ass. Objectivity

And for the final time (but probably not) P was taking illicit opiates. No evidence of doctor shopping, or being stopping from taking legally prescribed stuff, and even were that the case, that too would point to long term addiction.

We already knew he was quiet and shy off stage. So that is not new information and has nothing to do with drug use. Neal is the asshole who maybe 3 or 4 months before Prince died did an interview were he totally slammed him. After Prince died he was crying and he suppose to be writing a book. Is this someone you take seriously?

None of those people are telling us things we do not know already. None are telling us anything about drugs. Estates cannot sue for defamation so what is stopping them?

We know Prince was talking drugs. No one said he was not taking them. Why do you keep making this statement as if you are the only person on the earth who knows this but keeps ignoring the reason why?

He used Kirk to get drugs from Dr. S. Don't you think he would have used other names over the years to get meds to protect his privacy which is exactly what Dr. S said he was doing.

Prince also could have gone out of the U.S. to get anything he wanted or to see doctors.

He had surgery so we know he had pain pills prescribed to him and by this time the police have pulled his medical records. I honestly think that is the reason Dr. S is not in any trouble.

You have been told numerous times that he had other health issues.

It is not ethical to post private e-mails, screenshots and Facebook post. So the evidence is not going to posted on this board.

mikeyaddict said:

So, I’ve seen this quote around and allusions to it being know, “There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware" From this I’m gathering that some people including Laura have been clued into what happened or the situation was. Why is this being waved at us as if to say ‘we know. You don’t. And we won’t tell’ yet continue to come to the thread in an all knowing yet unsaying manner. Just say or explain further please or stop teasing! Otherwise it’s just stroking egoes. Just wondering.

lemoncrush19 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

And by the way, if you manage to read the biographies and watch the documentaries, like the one shown on channel 5 which seemed to cause a stir, you get a better picture of the man behind the music. It's called being objective and not looking at things through rose-tinted lenses.

no. it will never be objective to believe whatever others may tell about a third person cuz they - by nature - can't be objective. everyone's opinion is bound to be subjective. just bc someone printed it in a book or channel 5 aired it it doesn't become the truth. that's where all gossip gets started ...

and no again. the alternative isn't watching the world through rose tinted lenses, but taking opinions exactly for what they are - opinions.

But Alan Leeds knows more than you do. And so does Chris Moon, and Owen Husney. Are you saying they're making things up because they're not being objective? The people who can get away with not being objective are those very people, because they have first hand knowledge of the guy. We don't. All we can be is objective.

mikeyaddict said:

So, I’ve seen this quote around and allusions to it being know, “There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware" From this I’m gathering that some people including Laura have been clued into what happened or the situation was. Why is this being waved at us as if to say ‘we know. You don’t. And we won’t tell’ yet continue to come to the thread in an all knowing yet unsaying manner. Just say or explain further please or stop teasing! Otherwise it’s just stroking egoes. Just wondering.

It's called ego mania. It would be easy to post this stuff minus the links, sources, authors' names. But strangely this evidence is never posted. My best guess, these people cannot bear to be wrong.

fortuneandserendipity said:

lemoncrush19 said:

no. it will never be objective to believe whatever others may tell about a third person cuz they - by nature - can't be objective. everyone's opinion is bound to be subjective. just bc someone printed it in a book or channel 5 aired it it doesn't become the truth. that's where all gossip gets started ...

and no again. the alternative isn't watching the world through rose tinted lenses, but taking opinions exactly for what they are - opinions.

But Alan Leeds knows more than you do. And so does Chris Moon, and Owen Husney. Are you saying they're making things up because they're not being objective? The people who can get away with not being objective are those very people, because they have first hand knowledge of the guy. We don't. All we can be is objective.

They have no idea about what was going on in Prince's head. Alan even said he showed you the side he wanted you to see. When do you think was the last time he even spoke to these people?

I would bet Moon and Husney had not heard from him since the 1980s.

fortuneandserendipity said:

mikeyaddict said:

So, I’ve seen this quote around and allusions to it being know, “There are people out there who have talked. People who would know these things much better than a few speaking in this thread. It doesn't matter that some aren't aware" From this I’m gathering that some people including Laura have been clued into what happened or the situation was. Why is this being waved at us as if to say ‘we know. You don’t. And we won’t tell’ yet continue to come to the thread in an all knowing yet unsaying manner. Just say or explain further please or stop teasing! Otherwise it’s just stroking egoes. Just wondering.

It's called ego mania. It would be easy to post this stuff minus the links, sources, authors' names. But strangely this evidence is never posted. My best guess, these people cannot bear to be wrong.

No it would not be easy to do and in the end I would still be posting a personal message not a message from an open forum. The fact that you think this is okay speaks volumes about you and even if this info was posted you will not believe it anyway. You have your mind made up that he was some super human who could not have been using these drugs due to serious illness on top of joint pain. Ingnoring piles of known information that is to vast to be conicendental.

I know it is hard to believe but some people are fine with accepting their fate and avoiding medical intervention for terminal illness. Not everybody seeks medical care for end of life health issues.

No known doctors or Rxs means privacy and diginity. This is very important to some people.

The man who never looked back was writing an autobiograpy because he was not planning on returning from a trip to rehab.

[Edited 12/29/17 7:25am]

[Edited 12/29/17 7:26am]

laurarichardson said:

We already knew he was quiet and shy off stage. So that is not new

information and has nothing to do with drug use. Neal is the asshole who

maybe 3 or 4 months before Prince died did an interview were he totally

slammed him. After Prince died he was crying and he suppose to be

writing a book. Is this someone you take seriously?

None of those people are telling us things we do not know already. None

are telling us anything about drugs. Estates cannot sue for defamation so

what is stopping them?

We know Prince was talking drugs. No one said he was not taking them.

Why do you keep making this statement as if you are the only person on

the earth who knows this but keeps ignoring the reason why?

He used Kirk to get drugs from Dr. S. Don't you think he would have used

other names over the years to get meds to protect his privacy which is

exactly what Dr. S said he was doing.

Prince also could have gone out of the U.S. to get anything he wanted or

to see doctors.

He had surgery so we know he had pain pills prescribed to him and by this

time the police have pulled his medical records. I honestly think that is the

reason Dr. S is not in any trouble.

You have been told numerous times that he had other health issues.

Your argument basically boils down to this:

'There's no evidence P had a long-term opiate issue. So therefore the underlying cause of all his physical health issues was something life-threatening or borderline that. The opiates, they were merely a coping mechanism'.

You have to acknowledge most people wouldn't agree with that: Rather, no other health issues but bone pain and withdrawal.

You really need to post that evidence some time, somewhere... Because otherwise you lose all credibility, and you'll just continue burying your head in the sand.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

It's called ego mania. It would be easy to post this stuff minus the links, sources, authors' names. But strangely this evidence is never posted. My best guess, these people cannot bear to be wrong.

No it would not be easy to do and in the end I would still be posting a personal message not a message from an open forum. The fact that you think this is okay speaks volumes about you and even if this info was posted you will not believe it anyway. You have your mind made up that he was some super human who could not have been using these drugs due to serious illness on top of joint pain. Ingnoring piles of known information that is to vast to be conicendental.

[Edited 12/29/17 7:25am]

[Edited 12/29/17 7:26am]

Y'know it's funny laura when you construct an argument so obscure you're basically arguing with yourself. Your ego even seems to prevent you from reading others' posts.

So again, if you have this enlightening information which puts us in no doubt as to why things turned out so with P, then post it! Or I'll just keep calling you an ostrich head. I mean really, it's not hard to understand that freedom of information is vital for negating fake news.