cloveringold85 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I'm not gonna give a fuck now, I won't give a fuck if the book comes out. She didn't say any relevant stuff, she only beat around the bush to make promotion for the book. What she wants to reveal could've been said in the interview, the radio interview was live, so no worries about people turning the words in her mouth

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Thank You!!

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Tyka is just waving a carrot in everyone's faces so they will buy her book. She's not going to disclose more information than the Carver County Sheriff has.

exactly

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said: —Then why did Chazz say the cameras in Paisley Park were removed? Why are two musicians that worked for Prince saying he told them to come and get their stuff out of Paisley 7 days before he died because they would have problems getting the stuff later. Does that sound like he was planning to go on tour or to a rehab? Why are you ignoring what his sister has said and how did he get a 65k expense on his inventory sheet for 2016. Was the medical expense for illegal drugs.

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Laura: Where is your source that Chazz said the camera's were removed?

From this link:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/15730314


In this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/15/449796

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Laura: Where is your source that Chazz said the camera's were removed?

From this link:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/15730314


In this thread:

http://prince.org/msg/15/449796

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Thank You!!

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

Your poster boy comments highlight your ignorance when it comes to understanding the serious nature of substance abuse and addiction. If you can't respect the struggle, if you can't respect the very real physical, emotional, and personal crisis that addiction alone can create for any individual your posts on the subject have zero value. As for the figure for medical expenses that you repeatedly point out as proof of whatever it is you are trying to prove - I'm not even sure what that is anymore other than a compulsion to argue with others or perhaps a complete lack of anything else to do with your time - maybe he still owed the hospital money for mayte and the baby, maybe manuela had some health issues treated and unpaid for, maybe he was seeing chiropractors or holistic healers, maybe he had his teeth all capped or replaced, maybe he had lasik surgery, maybe he had a face lift or (several) other works of that nature, maybe he had a hair transplant, maybe he wore orthopedic shoes. The possibilities are numerous and none too unusual. Medical expenses encompass a wide range of items and services. laurarichardson said:

Yes, she is going to put out a book with blank pages! With nothing relevant in it. Interviews can be edited and I certainly did not see or hear that interview live. In fact the vast majoritiy of the world did not see or hear it live. You need to seriously put on your thinking cap.

Tyka is going to inherit a nice chuck of change and no book she writes is going to make her more than what she will get from her inheritence. Your " I want Prince to be the poster boy for pain pill abuse" dreams maybe coming to an end.

Your poster boy comments highlight your ignorance when it comes to understanding the serious nature of substance abuse and addiction. If you can't respect the struggle, if you can't respect the very real physical, emotional, and personal crisis that addiction alone can create for any individual your posts on the subject have zero value.

I have people in my own family who have struggled and some still are with drugs and alcohol. I know how people behave when they are abusing drugs and alcohol and they are not working a 100 hours a week or performing piano concerts.

So take your ignorance comments and shove them were the sun does not shine.

As for the figure for medical expenses that you repeatedly point out as proof of whatever it is you are trying to prove - I'm not even sure what that is anymore other than a compulsion to argue with others or perhaps a complete lack of anything else to do with your time - maybe he still owed the hospital money for mayte and the baby, maybe manuela had some health issues treated and unpaid for, maybe he was seeing chiropractors or holistic healers, maybe he had his teeth all capped or replaced, maybe he had lasik surgery, maybe he had a face lift or (several) other works of that nature, maybe he had a hair transplant, maybe he wore orthopedic shoes. The possibilities are numerous and none too unusual. Medical expenses encompass a wide range of items and services.

The only thing I am doing by mentioning the medical expenses is pointing out a fact and the absurd idea that some orgers have that Prince had no medical issues whatsoever. You and a few others do not want to put his drug issues in the context of real medical problems. This is your choice and opinion and you are free to have it. Just like I am free to have mine. You want to believe he strung out pain pills but not that these things could have ruined his organs to the point of making a transplant impossible. Once your organs start to go you are done. He would have had to stop any consumption of pain pills immediatley which might explain why he was going thru these withdrawals in such a drastic mannner.

If you took the time to know something these medical expenses which appear on an inventory sheet are for tax purposes for 2016. What hospital is still trying to collect money from a decade or two ago? It speaks volumes about your level of smarts. At this point any bills from a decade or two ago would have gone off to a collection agency and have been written off. I am sorry if you think the guy who paid for other people's funerals and gave away 1 million dollars from a concert to charity cannot pay medical bills from 1 or 2 decades ago

I have no comment for the rest of your nonsense because it makes no sense that he had 65k worth of small medical services ( like a hair transplant which I do not even believe qualifies as a medical expense) conducted from January to April. If the services were small matters that is an awful lot of doctor visits for a person who was suppose to be healhy.

You want to be right so bad that you actually took the time to type this nonsense.

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sonshine said:

You assume way too much Laura. You are wrong on so many levels. Your behavior is the proof. Why else would you still be going so hard with such lame evidence? Why else would you twist my words and accuse me of trivializing the life, challenges, and successes of an artist i have the utmost respect and admiration for? To be clear I'm not really asking because I already have you figured out. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" But since you enjoy beating your head against a wall (coming up on two years in a few months!?!) I am certain you will carry on with your games here.

The medical expenses are facts and my own experiences with people on drugs and alcohol are facts.

I did not twist your words. I responded to your utter nonsense ( you speculated that 65k is from the birth of Ahmir from 1996 ) You typed that crap not me.

I have you figured out as well. I know what your agenda is and you should really get a life and stop projecting.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

The medical expenses are facts and my own experiences with people on drugs and alcohol are facts.

I did not twist your words. I responded to your utter nonsense ( you speculated that 65k is from the birth of Ahmir from 1996 ) You typed that crap not me.

I have you figured out as well. I know what your agenda is and you should really get a life and stop projecting.

Seriously tho Happy Holidays Laura. May the celebration of the birth of our Savior fill you with peace and joy, and the New Year bless you with health, happiness, and tolerance for others. Life is love, love is life. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Good I hope this means we are done.

I had surgery on my eyelids 16 months ago, and, after insurance, the fee was about $4,000 outpatient. I only had to pay the co-pay. I mention this dollar amount because $65,000 doesn't take that long to rack up, especially if the person is hospitalized even for a day here and a day there. We don't know the facts and it looks like we may never know them. But the revelation of this amount for medical expenses raises a flag for me. Something was going on. His sister isn't going to tell us anything. Release the autopsy report so we can all be done with the speculation.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

The medical expenses are facts and my own experiences with people on drugs and alcohol are facts.

I did not twist your words. I responded to your utter nonsense ( you speculated that 65k is from the birth of Ahmir from 1996 ) You typed that crap not me.

I have you figured out as well. I know what your agenda is and you should really get a life and stop projecting.

Seriously tho Happy Holidays Laura. May the celebration of the birth of our Savior fill you with peace and joy, and the New Year bless you with health, happiness, and tolerance for others. Life is love, love is life. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

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Peace&Love

Laura: I don't think anyone here discounts the fact that Prince had some medical issues.

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As you know (and I speak from personal experience); the medical industry is a money-making machine! Hospitals will charge a patient for every...single...little...thing!! That is how they make money. Even a short hospital stay could cost a patient tens of thousands of dollars. I'm not saying you don't already know this fact, but I'm just putting it out there because 65K is not a lot of money to a hospital.

1Sasha said:

I had surgery on my eyelids 16 months ago, and, after insurance, the fee was about $4,000 outpatient. I only had to pay the co-pay. I mention this dollar amount because $65,000 doesn't take that long to rack up, especially if the person is hospitalized even for a day here and a day there. We don't know the facts and it looks like we may never know them. But the revelation of this amount for medical expenses raises a flag for me. Something was going on. His sister isn't going to tell us anything. Release the autopsy report so we can all be done with the speculation.

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Thank You!!

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My husband had to have emergency surgery in 2015 and he's still making payments on his hospital bill. Like I said in my other comment, 65K is not a lot of money to a hospital. My Mother was very ill in 2014 and was in the hospital for 2-1/2 before she died, and let me tell you, when I saw her hospital file, it was about a FOOT high!! I'm not kidding. I was shocked when I saw that. Hospitals will nickle and dime the insurance companies for every little thing!!

cloveringold85 said:

Laura: I don't think anyone here discounts the fact that Prince had some medical issues.

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As you know (and I speak from personal experience); the medical industry is a money-making machine! Hospitals will charge a patient for every...single...little...thing!! That is how they make money. Even a short hospital stay could cost a patient tens of thousands of dollars. I'm not saying you don't already know this fact, but I'm just putting it out there because 65K is not a lot of money to a hospital.

Okay I guess you are missing the point all together. Quite a few people maybe not you do not believe Prince had any medical issues beyond drug addiction. Many on this board have stated this many time.

I only bring up the medical expense because Prince was very active once he went out on tour in the middle of January. He either had to have been making muliple trips to the a doctor or hospital for some sort of treatment in between gigs or he had one or two big visits to rack up this bill.

I honestly do not see a healthy person making muliple trips to a doctor or hospital and racking up this bill for routine exams. That is my point as this fits in with what his sister has said as well that some issue was known before he passed.

It also blows the idea that he had no doctor out of the water. I am certain he was seeing some doctor under an assumed name.

I honestly do not how much more clear I can make this point.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Laura: I don't think anyone here discounts the fact that Prince had some medical issues.

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As you know (and I speak from personal experience); the medical industry is a money-making machine! Hospitals will charge a patient for every...single...little...thing!! That is how they make money. Even a short hospital stay could cost a patient tens of thousands of dollars. I'm not saying you don't already know this fact, but I'm just putting it out there because 65K is not a lot of money to a hospital.

Okay I guess you are missing the point all together. Quite a few people maybe not you do not believe Prince had any medical issues beyond drug addiction. Many on this board have stated this many time.

I only bring up the medical expense because Prince was very active once he went out on tour in the middle of January. He either had to have been making muliple trips to the a doctor or hospital for some sort of treatment in between gigs or he had one or two big visits to rack up this bill.

I honestly do not see a healthy person making muliple trips to a doctor or hospital and racking up this bill for routine exams. That is my point as this fits in with what his sister has said as well that some issue was known before he passed.

It also blows the idea that he had no doctor out of the water. I am certain he was seeing some doctor under an assumed name.

I honestly do not how much more clear I can make this point.

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Like I said, no one is denying that Prince may have had some medical issues. He was seeing Kirky's doctor, Dr. S. and was having tests done. There is all sorts of information floating around out there, and we have no clear answers about anything, really. I was just making a point that it's very easy to rack-up bills from doctor's and hospital visits and that 65K in medical bills could be from his doctor visits, tests, hospital stays, etc.

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I have no argument with the possibility that Prince may have had some serious health issues. It's obvious he was dealing with pain and he had pills in his posession that were not prescribed to him, and that is the reason he is no longer with us.

I honestly do not how much more clear I can make this point.

Laura, do not waste your breath on this stuff. People are gonna hear what they want to hear and say everything else is wrong even though they (seemingly?) don't know any differently than you do. There are many here that know what you are saying is more than likely true, but there are others with their own agendas to support who will deny the obvious, and still others that find a measure of safety going with the "drug addiction" theory. Much of what you say has been said over and over but if people don't want to accept, they won't do it no matter how many times it's repeated. Save yourself the aggravation, you don't have to prove anything to anyone.

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Mumio said:

Agreed!

purplefam99 said:

I think it was fentanyl both times. He wasnt aware that he had something stronger Took too much after Atlanta so plane incident happened. I think perhaps it didn’t even dawn on him that he had drugs That were anything than he was used to getting. And took too much again Never realizing he was measuring out a drug he wasn’t used to taking.

i want to be clear that because i stated this above, doesn't mean i think him a life long pill abuser.

Nor does it mean that i think an underlying illness was not there. Nor does it discount hip pain.

the above for me is how i think Atlanta/Moline--4/21 went down.

1Sasha said:

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

I think it was fentanyl both times. He wasnt aware that he had something stronger Took too much after Atlanta so plane incident happened. I think perhaps it didn’t even dawn on him that he had drugs That were anything than he was used to getting. And took too much again Never realizing he was measuring out a drug he wasn’t used to taking.

i want to be clear that because i stated this above, doesn't mean i think him a life long pill abuser.

Nor does it mean that i think an underlying illness was not there. Nor does it discount hip pain.

the above for me is how i think Atlanta/Moline--4/21 went down.

I wasn't sure whether or not we actually found out what it was that caused the plane to make the emergency landing. I know Percocet was mentioned, but it didn't think the hospital gave a definite answer. Does anyone know?

WeDaBest said:

purplefam99 said:

i want to be clear that because i stated this above, doesn't mean i think him a life long pill abuser.

Nor does it mean that i think an underlying illness was not there. Nor does it discount hip pain.

the above for me is how i think Atlanta/Moline--4/21 went down.

I wasn't sure whether or not we actually found out what it was that caused the plane to make the emergency landing. I know Percocet was mentioned, but it didn't think the hospital gave a definite answer. Does anyone know?

i do not know. and from my understanding there is nothing definite from the hospital. which

is why for me i lean towards it being the same bad stuff. i don't think it dawned on him that is

was bad stuff. i think he simply thought whoops that was too much. and if as others say narcan

can make you more sensitive to OD'ing, then his sensitivity would have been high and hence 4/21.

These are only my personal opinions and possible possibilities, so be kind and understanding.
Let's be well educated on the subject of fights.

About Tyka: I think she feels a bond deeper now because of all the years spent away from her brother, in her own personal hell. A debt of the heart, possibly. I just wonder... How can someone that experienced addiction at her levels could not act if she was aware of Prince taking opioids?
Maybe she wasn't, so OK.

If she wasn't aware of him taking medication (in the case of a terminal disease, it's no hard guess it involves some kind of morphin), how close was she to SKipper in reality? How come she's the only recipient for an information as important as she claims it's been, and not act accordingly? In France, we would on the verge of "non-assistance à personne en danger" (I don't think you'll need to light a bulb for translation).

Let's say Prince told her to keep it a secret. Nevertheless, I can't reconciliate someone telling me how close she was to her brother (so close she was warned three years ahead of his transition) and not rushing to Moline and ground the M.F., tying him to his bed, and after having being briefed by doctors, call relatives, friends, lawyers, do whatever action possible to give Prince at least the time to detox and to fully consider the situation and the condition he's in. After that, he's free to go if he wishes so, but at least as her sister, I give him a chance to choose his options with a clean state of mind, and not altered by substances, who'll make you believe, for example, that planes are more toxic than they already are (as if people working in the airlines didn't have children and were worldwide under some kind of Matrix hypnosis, but that's another topic).

Tyka, I sure would have liked for you to go to the media spotlight before, not after.

I can't imagine what it must feel like to try to express yourself artistically only to realize your brother is too much of a workaholic to be close to; and that he outshines not only your attempts, but the whole wordlwide competition. This could be psychological grounds for Tyka to interpret something that was not definitive in the way she thinks it is.

When I hear "Revelation", I hear a man at peace. A man who must've been pretty angry with God at times. The greatest dancer (you heard me well, Michael) repaid with excrutiating pain. That's why I can't listen to "Solo". This shit is the antithesis to "God (vocal)", or "Forever In My Life". It's a capella, behaded. "For You" angels choir it is not.

Throwing "Little Pill" in the face of a drugged western world, and serves all of us right, only to be forced to pop pills yourself just in order to function. Pills that cut your appetite, at the same time taking away the power to realize to which extent (as if you weren't already used to stay awake for fourteen hours on just a bowl of Cap'n Crunch and half a bottle of Evian), opening your doors of perception in hallucinatory and revelatory in even wider (and weirder) ways, because hey, in the end, deep down, you're kind-hearted, generous, and willing to pay the price for your sins. But as you go deep, as you wander in the depths of how small and unimportant a musician's career is compared to the universe, do you find yourself in an unexpected place of the heart, your unborn son calling you ? A will can surely sound unimportant then. We're stardust.


As for the Watson 385: am I right to say that it all boils down to know if it was the dealer that was mistaken, thus deceiving Kirk, or if Kirk knew what the fucking Watson really were?

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mnfriend said:

1Sasha said:

I had surgery on my eyelids 16 months ago, and, after insurance, the fee was about $4,000 outpatient. I only had to pay the co-pay. I mention this dollar amount because $65,000 doesn't take that long to rack up, especially if the person is hospitalized even for a day here and a day there. We don't know the facts and it looks like we may never know them. But the revelation of this amount for medical expenses raises a flag for me. Something was going on. His sister isn't going to tell us anything. Release the autopsy report so we can all be done with the speculation.

She should put the full autopsy report in her book, to back up whatever claims she will make. That would get people to buy it. Without documentation, no-one can believe anything anymore. It’s all he said she said, even for her.

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Agreed.

bonatoc said:

These are only my personal opinions and possible possibilities, so be kind and understanding.
Let's be well educated on the subject of fights.

About Tyka: I think she feels a bond deeper now because of all the years spent away from her brother, in her own personal hell. A debt of the heart, possibly. I just wonder... How can someone that experienced addiction at her levels could not act if she was aware of Prince taking opioids?
Maybe she wasn't, so OK.

If she wasn't aware of him taking medication (in the case of a terminal disease, it's no hard guess it involves some kind of morphin), how close was she to SKipper in reality? How come she's the only recipient for an information as important as she claims it's been, and not act accordingly? In France, we would on the verge of "non-assistance à personne en danger" (I don't think you'll need to light a bulb for translation).

Let's say Prince told her to keep it a secret. Nevertheless, I can't reconciliate someone telling me how close she was to her brother (so close she was warned three years ahead of his transition) and not rushing to Moline and ground the M.F., tying him to his bed, and after having being briefed by doctors, call relatives, friends, lawyers, do whatever action possible to give Prince at least the time to detox and to fully consider the situation and the condition he's in. After that, he's free to go if he wishes so, but at least as her sister, I give him a chance to choose his options with a clean state of mind, and not altered by substances, who'll make you believe, for example, that planes are more toxic than they already are (as if people working in the airlines didn't have children and were worldwide under some kind of Matrix hypnosis, but that's another topic).

Tyka, I sure would have liked for you to go to the media spotlight before, not after.

I can't imagine what it must feel like to try to express yourself artistically only to realize your brother is too much of a workaholic to be close to; and that he outshines not only your attempts, but the whole wordlwide competition. This could be psychological grounds for Tyka to interpret something that was not definitive in the way she thinks it is.

When I hear "Revelation", I hear a man at peace. A man who must've been pretty angry with God at times. The greatest dancer (you heard me well, Michael) repaid with excrutiating pain. That's why I can't listen to "Solo". This shit is the antithesis to "God (vocal)", or "Forever In My Life". It's a capella, behaded. "For You" angels choir it is not.

Throwing "Little Pill" in the face of a drugged western world, and serves all of us right, only to be forced to pop pills yourself just in order to function. Pills that cut your appetite, at the same time taking away the power to realize to which extent (as if you weren't already used to stay awake for fourteen hours on just a bowl of Cap'n Crunch and half a bottle of Evian), opening your doors of perception in hallucinatory and revelatory in even wider (and weirder) ways, because hey, in the end, deep down, you're kind-hearted, generous, and willing to pay the price for your sins. But as you go deep, as you wander in the depths of how small and unimportant a musician's career is compared to the universe, do you find yourself in an unexpected place of the heart, your unborn son calling you ? A will can surely sound unimportant then. We're stardust.


As for the Watson 385: am I right to say that it all boils down to know if it was the dealer that was mistaken, thus deceiving Kirk, or if Kirk knew what the fucking Watson really were?

[Edited 12/15/17 13:39pm]

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I appreciate and respect your opinions. Regarding Prince's death, I look at all sides and every possible angle, and respect everyone's opinions, even when they don't agree with mine.

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I appreciate what you said about Tyka. Maybe she feels compelled to honor her late brother, Prince because she wasn't able to reach him, or help him when he was alive? Honoring his music and legacy is her way to show her love and respect for her brother.

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In my experience with life is that it can be a double-edge sword at times, and extremely cruel. There is a part of me that feels sad for Tyka, then there is another side of me that says "Why didn't you help him? Where were you when your brother O/D in Moline? Why are you content with what the media is saying about your brother, and calling him a drug addict? If those things are true or untrue, then why not just say it? And on, and on....

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That's a good point you brought up about the dealer, because I hadn't thought of it that way, until now. What if the dealer him/herself did not know what they were actually giving to Prince and KJ didn't know either? Or maybe they did know? That is the big question. Personally, I don't think Prince would have taken that pill had he known it was Fentanyl. The pill was labeled as Hydrocodone. It is true that none of us know what was going on in Prince's world (inside his head); but I just do not feel he would commit suicide and be found in the elevator by his closest associates and employee's. Seems so out of character for Prince to do something so horrifying. This is why I have come to rationalize everything in mind and think it was "accidental".

cloveringold85 said:

bonatoc said:

These are only my personal opinions and possible possibilities, so be kind and understanding.
Let's be well educated on the subject of fights.

About Tyka: I think she feels a bond deeper now because of all the years spent away from her brother, in her own personal hell. A debt of the heart, possibly. I just wonder... How can someone that experienced addiction at her levels could not act if she was aware of Prince taking opioids?
Maybe she wasn't, so OK.

If she wasn't aware of him taking medication (in the case of a terminal disease, it's no hard guess it involves some kind of morphin), how close was she to SKipper in reality? How come she's the only recipient for an information as important as she claims it's been, and not act accordingly? In France, we would on the verge of "non-assistance à personne en danger" (I don't think you'll need to light a bulb for translation).

Let's say Prince told her to keep it a secret. Nevertheless, I can't reconciliate someone telling me how close she was to her brother (so close she was warned three years ahead of his transition) and not rushing to Moline and ground the M.F., tying him to his bed, and after having being briefed by doctors, call relatives, friends, lawyers, do whatever action possible to give Prince at least the time to detox and to fully consider the situation and the condition he's in. After that, he's free to go if he wishes so, but at least as her sister, I give him a chance to choose his options with a clean state of mind, and not altered by substances, who'll make you believe, for example, that planes are more toxic than they already are (as if people working in the airlines didn't have children and were worldwide under some kind of Matrix hypnosis, but that's another topic).

Tyka, I sure would have liked for you to go to the media spotlight before, not after.

I can't imagine what it must feel like to try to express yourself artistically only to realize your brother is too much of a workaholic to be close to; and that he outshines not only your attempts, but the whole wordlwide competition. This could be psychological grounds for Tyka to interpret something that was not definitive in the way she thinks it is.

When I hear "Revelation", I hear a man at peace. A man who must've been pretty angry with God at times. The greatest dancer (you heard me well, Michael) repaid with excrutiating pain. That's why I can't listen to "Solo". This shit is the antithesis to "God (vocal)", or "Forever In My Life". It's a capella, behaded. "For You" angels choir it is not.

Throwing "Little Pill" in the face of a drugged western world, and serves all of us right, only to be forced to pop pills yourself just in order to function. Pills that cut your appetite, at the same time taking away the power to realize to which extent (as if you weren't already used to stay awake for fourteen hours on just a bowl of Cap'n Crunch and half a bottle of Evian), opening your doors of perception in hallucinatory and revelatory in even wider (and weirder) ways, because hey, in the end, deep down, you're kind-hearted, generous, and willing to pay the price for your sins. But as you go deep, as you wander in the depths of how small and unimportant a musician's career is compared to the universe, do you find yourself in an unexpected place of the heart, your unborn son calling you ? A will can surely sound unimportant then. We're stardust.


As for the Watson 385: am I right to say that it all boils down to know if it was the dealer that was mistaken, thus deceiving Kirk, or if Kirk knew what the fucking Watson really were?

[Edited 12/15/17 13:39pm]

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I appreciate and respect your opinions. Regarding Prince's death, I look at all sides and every possible angle, and respect everyone's opinions, even when they don't agree with mine.

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I appreciate what you said about Tyka. Maybe she feels compelled to honor her late brother, Prince because she wasn't able to reach him, or help him when he was alive? Honoring his music and legacy is her way to show her love and respect for her brother.

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In my experience with life is that it can be a double-edge sword at times, and extremely cruel. There is a part of me that feels sad for Tyka, then there is another side of me that says "Why didn't you help him? Where were you when your brother O/D in Moline? Why are you content with what the media is saying about your brother, and calling him a drug addict? If those things are true or untrue, then why not just say it? And on, and on....

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That's a good point you brought up about the dealer, because I hadn't thought of it that way, until now. What if the dealer him/herself did not know what they were actually giving to Prince and KJ didn't know either? Or maybe they did know? That is the big question. Personally, I don't think Prince would have taken that pill had he known it was Fentanyl. The pill was labeled as Hydrocodone. It is true that none of us know what was going on in Prince's world (inside his head); but I just do not feel he would commit suicide and be found in the elevator by his closest associates and employee's. Seems so out of character for Prince to do something so horrifying. This is why I have come to rationalize everything in mind and think it was "accidental".

I had considered that question, but then I think back to what's in Mayte's book about his emergency room incident, then there's another incident mentioned in the warrants. Now we don't have the full story of what happened those 2 times but given what has happened we could kind of speculate. Both of those emergencies he pulled through fine and moved on. Those are 2 incidents we the public know about, could there have been more? And each time he bounced back? Was she supposed to be psychic and know which time would be the time he needed the most help? Seems so hard to gauge and be responsible for. I get the impression Prince didn't take smothering very well.

Judging by the last concert, he was able to function and more than that, to connect.

This can only mean one thing : we're talking about someone who knew his body well. OK, he was in pain, but either on stage or under the sheets, heck, even when just walking (damn heels) SKipper was always aware of his moves. In harmony with his body, and with his big ol' control freak syndrome, well, he knew his limits after all these years. Not a smoker, no meat, we're talking of someone who considers the body no less important than the spirit.

So my guess Prince found the perfect cocktail: by carefully dosing a mixture of painkillers during these last years, he found his own formula, just to ease the pain, while not feeling TOO high.
This could maybe explain the many types of pills found in PP. Quantities may be seen just as a mental security blanket: you sleep better if you know you have a big stock, even if you're never gonna use it all at once. It's like your bank account. And we know how Prince could be careful about keeping his bucks next to himself.

I would even go as far if you know you have a lot (just to reassure yourself if a hypothetical case of a super-acute pain episode showing up), you're "somewhat" encouraged, self-coached to take less. You don't have the psychological pressure of a possible withdrawal.

It's pretty clear that synthetized chemicals, as opposed as the same molecules ingested under more natural forms can make a huge difference in how the body absorbs them.
We all pissed Glyphosate in 2017.
Pharmacy is potent, you need a daily coach to dose your shit (POTUS and other neurotics come to mind) perfectly. Not too high, not too low. I think Prince mastered his intakes very well.
Again, Atlanta.

So if this was an accident,
this makes April 21st a celestial event.

To me, unaware prescience is often a product of a state of grace.
Lawd knows Prince had a few, and that's an euphemism.

If this is an accident, does it place Nevada or Nebraska on the map to the source?
Or was the "as potent as the Death Row formula used in Nebraska" just an easy shortcut for clickbait around Fentanyl ?

If this is an accident, it makes

"Wait a few days before you waste your prayers on me" yet another episode of dubious sense of humour coming from God, and I swear to Him he's gonna have 2 explain himself one of His days, Himdamn.

morningsong said:

Was she supposed to be psychic and know which time would be the time he needed the most help? Seems so hard to gauge and be responsible for. I get the impression Prince didn't take smothering very well.

I agree. To be clear, not charghing Tyka with anything.
The man impressed so much that he could probably make a yes wo.man out of anybody,
even strong minds and characters. The achievements alone would make me shit my pants if I were to say just "hello". So imagine the rest (aura, scent, moves, the eyes, the talents).

We all know by many stories you could give him advice at best. The decision was is.
But, wasn't the cocktail gone bad, at that point? If some knew (you're talking of Tyka being psychic, but according to her, she didn't have to be, she knew some serious shit was going on for quite some time), then there was some urgency to step in and assume that drugs not only ease the pain, but may also take away any common sense of self preservation.

In that sense, I think I would have spent the rest of the day in my brown marks, until SKipper was grounded, and not allowed to budge until sober as a tibetan monk. Or close.

morningsong said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I appreciate and respect your opinions. Regarding Prince's death, I look at all sides and every possible angle, and respect everyone's opinions, even when they don't agree with mine.

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I appreciate what you said about Tyka. Maybe she feels compelled to honor her late brother, Prince because she wasn't able to reach him, or help him when he was alive? Honoring his music and legacy is her way to show her love and respect for her brother.

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In my experience with life is that it can be a double-edge sword at times, and extremely cruel. There is a part of me that feels sad for Tyka, then there is another side of me that says "Why didn't you help him? Where were you when your brother O/D in Moline? Why are you content with what the media is saying about your brother, and calling him a drug addict? If those things are true or untrue, then why not just say it? And on, and on....

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That's a good point you brought up about the dealer, because I hadn't thought of it that way, until now. What if the dealer him/herself did not know what they were actually giving to Prince and KJ didn't know either? Or maybe they did know? That is the big question. Personally, I don't think Prince would have taken that pill had he known it was Fentanyl. The pill was labeled as Hydrocodone. It is true that none of us know what was going on in Prince's world (inside his head); but I just do not feel he would commit suicide and be found in the elevator by his closest associates and employee's. Seems so out of character for Prince to do something so horrifying. This is why I have come to rationalize everything in mind and think it was "accidental".

I had considered that question, but then I think back to what's in Mayte's book about his emergency room incident, then there's another incident mentioned in the warrants. Now we don't have the full story of what happened those 2 times but given what has happened we could kind of speculate. Both of those emergencies he pulled through fine and moved on. Those are 2 incidents we the public know about, could there have been more? And each time he bounced back? Was she supposed to be psychic and know which time would be the time he needed the most help? Seems so hard to gauge and be responsible for. I get the impression Prince didn't take smothering very well.

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I don't like to pass judgment on Tyka or her family, but a lot of what she puts out there just does not sit well with me. I have learned to not take her so seriously anymore, because I think she is trying to create an aura of mystery surrounding Prince's death.

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The incident in Moline is perplexing and there aren't any clear answers. We really don't know the condition he was in, only hearsay from "sources" and people in his "inner circle". Some say he was doing "fine", while other's said "he was very sick".

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If Tyka was a part of the so-called intervention planned for April 21st, she has never publicly stated that.

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I dunno. I am totatlly confused about her.