laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said: 2000 hours?

I think they meant 20 hours.

2000 hours .... twenty-hundred hours which would make it 8 p.m.

Dibblekins said:

poor sweetie. he had to have been in intense pain.

laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:

laurarichardson said:

TypoQueen said:

Ondansetron can also given when ur on pain relief medication as these type of medication can cause stomach complication / vomiting.

Diazepam is also used as a muscle relaxer.

Clonidine is also used for pain management.

it is difficult for doctor and patient to work out a pain medication protocol that works that also doesn’t cause other adverse complications.

Do you really think it is hard for a doctor to not realize that some of the meds working together are going to cause adverse reactions. How many pain relievers and aniexity meds does one person need at one time. Look some of these up they cannot be mixed with other drugs.

XxAxX said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

June 1st, 2016 Search warrant filed and issued. Some information may overlap with previous posts. This is in relation to additonal Cellular tower Dumps for Sprint.

a. The Affiant , detective, Tyles Stahn received information from interviews that Prince's assistant had arranged between Prince and medical professionals to assess Prince's medical concerns. One of those professionals was Andrew Kornfeld. Kornfeld was at Prince's residence when Prince was found deceased.

b. Kornfeld was found to be in possession of several controlled substances that he did not have a prescription for.

c. During the course of the investigation , investigators learned that Prince had not been heard or seen from since 4-20-2016 around 2000 hours. The Affiant is aware that there is no security or video surveillance and that Prince lived by himself.

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

e. The Affiant is aware that friends of Prince who were there were receiving and making phone calls/ text messages on the morning his body was found.

2000 hours?

It's military time so 20:00 is 8pm.

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

I thought about that... Wasn't there another doctor (not the doctor's appt with whom he supposedly had that morning another one)? And, I wondered if they actually counted P in the count of 6.

Interesting question.

DD55

RJOrion said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But he had withdrawal symptoms on one of them is nausea and vomiting

odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong?

DD55 said:

RJOrion said:

ThatWhiteDude said: odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong?

No.

DD55 said:

RJOrion said:

ThatWhiteDude said: odansetron is widely used for HIV/AIDS patients...initial tabloid reports after the Moline airplane incident, implied Prince was about to die of AIDS...then he died...not saying he had AIDS or didnt...just reviewing the facts before and after the death...if he was suffering from AIDS, the entire before and after timeline makes sense...

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong?

No, you are right, but it was a tabloid newspaper.

I don't know what difference it makes if he died from cancer or AIDS or overdose of pain meds?! At the end of the day, he had to take pain meds to the extent that his body couldn't take them anymore, probably causing several organ failures. He's been on medication for so long in order to do what he loved doing.

What bothers me most is the more details are revealed in the media, the more shit news will come out and everyone will change the narrative. There are certain things he didn't want to be known and this was his will. Isn't it ok to accept that?

I don't understand what comfort it gives to some folks if his name is in the headline with some shit news. I really don't understand. Can someone explain this to me?

Btw DD55 this is not directed to you. I just replied to your question.

OzlemUcucu said:

DD55 said:

I could be wrong... but the way I remember it....right before or right after he passed away, didn't the clerk at the pharmacy say he was picking up medications normally used to treat HIV/AIDS, then the story ...poof, just went away. Am I remembering that wrong?

No, you are right, but it was a tabloid newspaper.

I don't know what difference it makes if he died from cancer or AIDS or overdose of pain meds?! At the end of the day, he had to take pain meds to the extent that his body couldn't take them anymore, probably causing several organ failures. He's been on medication for so long in order to do what he loved doing.

What bothers me most is the more details are revealed in the media, the more shit news will come out and everyone will change the narrative. There are certain things he didn't want to be known and this was his will. Isn't it ok to accept that?

I don't understand what comfort it gives to some folks if his name is in the headline with some shit news. I really don't understand. Can someone explain this to me?

Btw DD55 this is not directed to you. I just replied to your question.

Oz, I don’t think that people, here at least, necessarily want to ‘see his name in headlines’ saying anything the would reflect badly on him. I think it’s just the human condition to be curious and here we all are on prince.org, discussing P and his work— with this huge question mark above it all and hovering in the background…. so discussions sorta slide into the speculation territory. If no one cared, then no one would be here. Peace, DD55

DD55 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

No, you are right, but it was a tabloid newspaper.

I don't know what difference it makes if he died from cancer or AIDS or overdose of pain meds?! At the end of the day, he had to take pain meds to the extent that his body couldn't take them anymore, probably causing several organ failures. He's been on medication for so long in order to do what he loved doing.

What bothers me most is the more details are revealed in the media, the more shit news will come out and everyone will change the narrative. There are certain things he didn't want to be known and this was his will. Isn't it ok to accept that?

I don't understand what comfort it gives to some folks if his name is in the headline with some shit news. I really don't understand. Can someone explain this to me?

Btw DD55 this is not directed to you. I just replied to your question.

Oz, I don’t think that people, here at least, necessarily want to ‘see his name in headlines’ saying anything the would reflect badly on him. I think it’s just the human condition to be curious and here we all are on prince.org, discussing P and his work— with this huge question mark above it all and hovering in the background…. so discussions sorta slide into the speculation territory. If no one cared, then no one would be here. Peace, DD55

I know but you see there are folks (fans) who'd rather prefer to see pictures of him dead in an elevator so that they can understand he is gone. Others not so much. This is the difference.

The reality is once any information about him is out there it's going to change his narrative. If he had cancer or AIDS people will have a different perception and to honest, it's nobody's business. I think he has told us everything, and I am not saying I am not interested in knowing the real cause of his death, but some on here come up with odd theories and force their perspectives onto others. The real shit stirrers.

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Thanks and blessings, Menes.

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

2 paramedics, I beleive.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

I wanted to disregard all of the tabloid information I've read and focus soley on the facts of each search warrant that was reviewed here. Of note, there are some things in these warrants that I was not aware of and found interesting. Some if not most of it, is already known here on the org. I will highlight the tidbits that I wasn't aware of until taking a closer look at the warrants. I wil post each in descending order as time permits.

September 19, 2016 warrant filed and issued.

1. This is the warrant for all data maintained by Google, Inc. for the Gmail account identified as Paislerparkafterdark@gmail.com. The facts tending to establish foregoing grounds for issuance are as followed.

Below are the finding from the "Affiant" , detective Christina Warner, of the Carver County Sherriff's office for 16 years.

a. On April 21, 2016 at 0943 hours , the Sheriffs deputies were dispatched to Paisley Park studios.

b. Prince Rogers Nelson was found in an elevator and not breathing.

c. Prince was unresponsive and pronounced deceased at the scene.

d. Witnesses at the scene that were interviewed stated that Prince recently had a history of going thru withdrawals which are believed to be the result of the abuse of prescription medication. ( I wasn't aware that someone in Prince's camp stated that).

e. The Affiant learned that Prince had "passed out" during a flight from Atlanta.

f. According to one of the witnesses interviewed, Prince admitted to taking 1-2 "pain pills" during this flight.

g. During the search of Prince's residence, detectives located numerous controlled substance pills in various containers and areas of Prince's bedroom, some of which was in a suitcase with the name tag of "Peter Bravestrong". Inside of the suitcase were several prescription bottles in the name of Kirk Johnson.

h. Prince had no prescriptions issued to him but Kirk Johnson had Oxycodone prescribed to him by Dr. Michael Schuelenberg on 4-14-2016 according to the Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program.

i. On 4-26-16 Attorney Gary Hansen (who had been appointed to take care of Prince's affairs after death) provided consent for the Sherriff's office to take custody of a silver Apple laptop computer found in Prince's bedroom.

j. On Monday 5-19-2016 Sgt. Meir received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel(ME) on whch the results of Prince's toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic fentanyl in his system. (wasn't the information released prior to this date, or was it June?)

k. Dr. Schulenberg( who was at the scene on 4-21-2016) admitted to prescribing Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the landing but put the prescription in kirk Johnson's name for privacy.

L. Affiant learned that Prince did not have a regular doctor and that his managers would set him up with various doctors before a show so that Prince could get a "b12" injection before his performance.

m. Affiant learned that Julia Yasine Ramadan(Prince's manager from 2011-2013) set up a google account for Prince identified as jyramadan@gmail.com.

n. DEA learned that Prince's computer had several email accounts to include mistag3@ gmail, peterbravestrong @gmail, paisleyparkafterdark@gmail, and jyramaan@gmail.

o. Affiant learned that Julia Ramadan told detective Kuhnau that after she heard about the drug overdose ,she had sent an email to Prince stating "sending my love" to which a response of "love recieved " was sent back to her.

p. On 9-19-2016, Affiant received information from google that all accounts were current. There was also a recovery email that was set up in the name of KAJhipfit.net which is one of the accounts registered to Kirk Johnson. The Affiant confirmed that they are aware that Kirk Johnson previously assisted Prince in obtaining a controlled substance by contacting Dr. Schulenberg on 4-14-16.

Thank you for posting facts and not hearsay

Seconding this. At first, when I saw the thread title, I was like "oh shit. Not again".

Good stuff and finally a decent, logical, well written OP worthy of discussion.


EDIT:


Aaaannnnndddd now, scrolling through the posts, the usual suspects are fucking it up again.

Why do I bother? Good post, RubyMoon53. Sorry it got spun into insane town.

[Edited 11/2/17 17:34pm]

Hi Penny!

DD55 said:

Hi Penny!

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Welcome to all.

Did anyone notice that there were six (6) people that morning when the officer arrived? I count Andrew, Merue, Kirk and Dr. Schulenberg. Judith was already in California, I believe. How far does Tyka live from Prince? Why wasn't she contacted at any time that morning?

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

herb4...you're baaaaack! YEAH!!!

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I recently read that they found not only fentanyl in the pill he took, but in at least one pill of all the medics they found. And that would be, if it's true, no coincidence.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I think Law Enforcement knows exactly if, and what disease he had. At this point if they are still investigating it, it's only to find out who is making and pushing the pills.

Menes said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

What i don't is understand if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator

Because she couldn't know that he'd die on an overdose.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.