DD55 said:

1Sasha said:

Bodhi, I am surprised they didn't ransack PP and start selling memorabilia ...

1Sasha, After one of the older sisters put out the recording of P's father and used the PP studio to do so, many people commented. I thought ok.... the facility is there, maybe/probably no big deal.

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I know they said the vault storage wasn't proper, mold and dampness ..... but after all this time you would think an a/c and dehumidifier would the least they could have done.

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But when they announced the 20K recordings being moved, it made me wonder if the sibs were eyeing the vault contents and there were whispers of them releasing stuff on thier own ... which may consequently have lead the SA to move contents to iron mt.

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Anyway the timing made me take notice. Why wait all this time? Of course I don't really know.

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~~DD55

DD, I was also thinking the same thing? My educated guess is that preserving the vault contents somewhere other than Paisley Park is a relatively recent decision. I think this because Comerica has been the Special Administrator since February 2017 and if preserving the contents elsewhere had been a top priority of Comerica's, Comerica would have moved the contents elsewhere sooner than October 2017.

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

DD, I was also thinking the same thing? My educated guess is that preserving the vault contents somewhere other than Paisley Park is a relatively recent decision. I think this because Comerica has been the Special Administrator since February 2017 and if preserving the contents elsewhere had been a top priority of Comerica's, Comerica would have moved the contents elsewhere sooner than October 2017.

—I think you guys are on to something and Comerica is overstating the damage a bit because of the sibs May have been eyeing the vault.

And this would also explain why Sharon was upset about Comerica moving the vault contents because she might have been able to access the vault's contents while it was still at PP, but now that it (the vault's contents) is at Iron Mountains, she definitely can't access it.

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Whatever the reason was for Comerica moving the vault's contents to Iron Mountain, I think it was absolutely the right decision!

[Edited 11/20/17 18:18pm]

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

DD, I was also thinking the same thing? My educated guess is that preserving the vault contents somewhere other than Paisley Park is a relatively recent decision. I think this because Comerica has been the Special Administrator since February 2017 and if preserving the contents elsewhere had been a top priority of Comerica's, Comerica would have moved the contents elsewhere sooner than October 2017.

—I think you guys are on to something and Comerica is overstating the damage a bit because of the sibs May have been eyeing the vault.

i believe nothing no one says at face value, people lie whenver it suits them. I seriously doubt the vault was in that bad of shape, i've had vhs tapes for over 30 years, stored in all kinds of hellacious conditions and they are all just fine even though they were supposedly supposed to be completely deteriorated by now.

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

DD, I was also thinking the same thing? My educated guess is that preserving the vault contents somewhere other than Paisley Park is a relatively recent decision. I think this because Comerica has been the Special Administrator since February 2017 and if preserving the contents elsewhere had been a top priority of Comerica's, Comerica would have moved the contents elsewhere sooner than October 2017.

—I think you guys are on to something and Comerica is overstating the damage a bit because of the sibs May have been eyeing the vault.

i believe nothing no one says at face value, people lie whenver it suits them. I seriously doubt the vault was in that bad of shape, i've had vhs tapes for over 30 years, stored in all kinds of hellacious conditions and they are all just fine even though they were supposedly supposed to be completely deteriorated by now.

This is a quote from SNJ's Reply Memorandum:

"Finally, Comerica admits that a number of individuals have access to the recordings in Hollywood, while simultaneously denying the Heirs access to the Vault.."

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is a quote from SNJ's Reply Memorandum:

"Finally, Comerica admits that a number of individuals have access to the recordings in Hollywood, while simultaneously denying the Heirs access to the Vault.."

I think it is coming clearly into focus that Comerica didn't trust at least some of the sibs not to remove valuable artifacts from Prince's career from PP. I wouldn't be surprised if things, other than the Vault contents, hadn't also been secured.

Re the bolded above: WHY would the heirs NEED access to the Vault?????

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is a quote from SNJ's Reply Memorandum:

"Finally, Comerica admits that a number of individuals have access to the recordings in Hollywood, while simultaneously denying the Heirs access to the Vault.."

That's partly a lie because that vault is tightly controlled. Only specific people have access to it.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

That's partly a lie because that vault is tightly controlled. Only specific people have access to it.

They are idiots the people who have access are the people working to restore the tapes. Remember it was Duane who stole tapes back in the day.

Are you saying there was a family history of dipping into the Vault for goodies when cash got low?

As you may or may not know there is a Second Special Administrator (Peter Gleekel) appointed by the Court to investigate the UMG deal and the commission paid to Lonnie.


Omarr filed a Motion to Expand the investigation to include the JOBU fiasco as well as the commission paid to Lonnie. As you may or may not be aware, Lonnie was involved in both those deals.


SNJ filed a Motion to oppose the Motion to expand the investigation to include the JOBU Prince Concert Fiasco.

Go figure.

Comerica does not oppose Omarr's Motion to Expand the Investigation.

206Michelle said:

DD, I was also thinking the same thing? My educated guess is that preserving the vault contents somewhere other than Paisley Park is a relatively recent decision. I think this because Comerica has been the Special Administrator since February 2017 and if preserving the contents elsewhere had been a top priority of Comerica's, Comerica would have moved the contents elsewhere sooner than October 2017.

You have to take into account the man hours it took them to catalog all 20K items before moving however...

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I think Comerica wanted to take these items to the safest place in the country because it would be in the best interest of the estate. I wouldn't be surprised if the curation of the memorabilia he left behind is ongoing, and Comerica may be thinking about where to put all of that. From what I understand, there are various warehouses and buildings in use. Let's hope the keys to the various locations are in safe hands.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is a quote from SNJ's Reply Memorandum:

"Finally, Comerica admits that a number of individuals have access to the recordings in Hollywood, while simultaneously denying the Heirs access to the Vault.."

Who is writing this stuff for them. It’s comedy at this point.

Take a wild guess?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: They are idiots the people who have access are the people working to restore the tapes. Remember it was Duane who stole tapes back in the day.

Are you saying there was a family history of dipping into the Vault for goodies when cash got low?

Yes, stories that Duane stole tapes and his sister Lorna sued Prince over "You Got The Look" with Duane backing her up.

Duane was violent and a drug addict who was fired by Prince after beating up a women at Paisley Park seems to have run short of cash and starting stealing and running his mouth to the media.

This is what people do when the funds run dry and they have no means of standing on their own.

Why do you think SNJ is screaming about disbursements ? When they know the probate has not finished and closing to soon could result in a massive tax bill something Comerica outlines in the declaration in great detail.

These fools just want their money and could care less about the music or Prince's legacy. I would bet that if they could get the other sibs to go along they would sell everything the minute they inherit.

I think the older sibs had a beef with Prince simply because he was born. Remember his dad left SNJ's mon who became an alcoholic and died. I think they had no love for him which can happen in blended families.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

This is a quote from SNJ's Reply Memorandum:

"Finally, Comerica admits that a number of individuals have access to the recordings in Hollywood, while simultaneously denying the Heirs access to the Vault.."

Who is writing this stuff for them. It’s comedy at this point.

It is comedy but it is obvious that they are too stupid to mask their greed. What reason would the heirs who have not inheirted anything yet want to have access to the vault?

They honestly think they can come in and catalouge and restore the tape themselves to make a quick buck.

I guess Charles Spicer and Londell are going to restor the tapes and sell them out of the back of their cars or on the Source website.

jtfolden said:

206Michelle said:

DD, I was also thinking the same thing? My educated guess is that preserving the vault contents somewhere other than Paisley Park is a relatively recent decision. I think this because Comerica has been the Special Administrator since February 2017 and if preserving the contents elsewhere had been a top priority of Comerica's, Comerica would have moved the contents elsewhere sooner than October 2017.

You have to take into account the man hours it took them to catalog all 20K items before moving however...

I did some quick math for 9 months / 270 days. It would have been 74 items per day. So that does sound more than reasonable to take that amount of time.

Did I read here that Lonnie is not SNJ's lawyer, but their business advisor? If so, why do that?

Does anyone know if a Drug Overdose case has ever stayed open for over a Year????????????????

luvsexy4all said:

Does anyone know if a Drug Overdose case has ever stayed open for over a Year????????????????

Local police classified it as a homicide investigation so I guess it will state open and go to the cold case file.

I am amazed at his sibs lack of interest or public comment on this after a year and half.

Rev said:

jtfolden said:

You have to take into account the man hours it took them to catalog all 20K items before moving however...

I did some quick math for 9 months / 270 days. It would have been 74 items per day. So that does sound more than reasonable to take that amount of time.

Yes your math does indeed seem to work. Each item would have to be bar coded, entered into a system, etc. Time consuming.

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Now… let me be bit of a devil ….. as a fan, crying out for new material…Would it really be so bad to hear unreleased material…. even if the older sibs were the ones to release it? I mean it’s not as if it won’t be theirs in the end anyway.

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I can see many people would be very happy to listen to new music no matter where it came from. Just saying, lol.

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~~DD55

Doesn't Comerica have to determine who owns what in terms of vault content? What does WB own, what does the estate own, etc.? That could be holding things up, too.

1Sasha said:

Doesn't Comerica have to determine who owns what in terms of vault content? What does WB own, what does the estate own, etc.? That could be holding things up, too.

Exactly, and who knows how many of the songs or performances in the Vault were collaborations? And, more importantly, a handshake agreement between Prince and the collaborator which may have been chill when he was alive (‘yeah, we’ll work it all out later if we use it’) would mean nothing now to the collaborator or their label or management now that he’s gone and they could nail down some money or a writing credit.

We may be looking at years of negotiations over permission to release some of this material.

You're right.

luvsexy4all said:

Does anyone know if a Drug Overdose case has ever stayed open for over a Year????????????????

I spoken to a few people I know in law enforcement and I have been told no.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

Doesn't Comerica have to determine who owns what in terms of vault content? What does WB own, what does the estate own, etc.? That could be holding things up, too.

Exactly, and who knows how many of the songs or performances in the Vault were collaborations? And, more importantly, a handshake agreement between Prince and the collaborator which may have been chill when he was alive (‘yeah, we’ll work it all out later if we use it’) would mean nothing now to the collaborator or their label or management now that he’s gone and they could nail down some money or a writing credit.

We may be looking at years of negotiations over permission to release some of this material.

He did not have a handshake agreement with Ian Boxhill as there was an agreement that Ian would own nothing they worked on together and it has stood up in court thus far.

Also collaborators will have no claims if they do not have a copyright on the material. That being said people are going to make claims so the estate may side step the claims by just not releashing some of the material.

This all has to be sorted out and it is not going to be done anytime soon. We also do not know what claims WB will make.

laurarichardson said:

luvsexy4all said:

Does anyone know if a Drug Overdose case has ever stayed open for over a Year????????????????

I spoken to a few people I know in law enforcement and I have been told no.

celebrity skewes things a lot so i don't know what to make of that. but.., I can say that murder cases do go cold, they still don't know who shot my hero hector macho camacho and it pisses me off. I keep thinking that Prince had a lot more love out here for him to let that happen than Macho did.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

I spoken to a few people I know in law enforcement and I have been told no.

celebrity skewes things a lot so i don't know what to make of that. but.., I can say that murder cases do go cold, they still don't know who shot my hero hector macho camacho and it pisses me off. I keep thinking that Prince had a lot more love out here for him to let that happen than Macho did.

I know you would think someone would rat but someone knows something and they are going to take it to the grave.