I am not privy to private information regarding the vault or vaults or storage areas pre-2016, but from what I have read numerous people did have access to all of them, and they - like other parts of PP - were in disrepair. I realize PP is sacred ground to many people, and that Prince did not make any mistakes according to many others, but the most precious part of PP today had to be protected. The process by which Comerica did this seems to have been handled properly in all aspects. It is just unfortunate that it had not been protected over the years. | |
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Hi this is Dave Hampton and I have re activated my original membership since my time at Paisley. I have been trying to read and catch up on all the outlooks that people have about this situation. While I do not know everything I have experience in this area, and as someone who honors my time with Prince I feel it's necessary to speak truth to what I know from my time with him as well as the events that have happenned since his passing.
Great insights by everyone. In particular the "transparency "issue is something that is a matter of record. If the court assigns Comerica and their actions are reported to the family and thier atorneys then one would have to ask is Lawndell actually telling his clients everything, or is he telling them only what he wishes them to know. Remember that this same attorney is the former special advisor who's actions are under examination because of several accusatiotions of financial impropriaty. So we have the older siblings who possibly during his later creative life may not have had the access and connection to him, being represented and informed by a "Former Lawyer" of P's. As of my arrival in 2003 I never heard him speak of or say anything about him(lawndell) and all the lawyers that we were in contact with changed often. He didn't like lawyers or contracts.What he did with him was in the past and as we know he didn't like to spend alot of time there. He was too busy breaking new ground and making things easier for all artists in the future. Transparency is good for all involved. Possibly if Coppleman and Lawndell had been more transparent in their construction of the UMG deal they might have better optics in the court of public opinion.
Iron Mountain doesn't make a move without all pieces in place. Permission and legal authorization is at the top of the list.
The MN facilities are primarily for business documents. The LosAngeles facility is specifically for Entertainment related assetts. Furthermore the storage was the primary purpose for the move. any other work on the Vault materials has to again have the next level of outside authorization. So it is stored there because someone gave permission. It has the potential of going under further examination for any variety of procedures but that too will be authorized. The arfguments filed seem more like the attorney trying to create the shadow of impropriaty around a comerica descission because he is under review about his questionable activity during the first period of advisement following Prince's passing. If Comerica were to hit back then it would look like they were taking revenge, because they were legally attacking the same former advisor who now serves as a attorney of record. The problem is that legally Mc Millian can make moves and do what ever because of two things. 1. Prince is gone. 2. In the end the bills are paid and negotiated as reimbursement for time. The family literally has no money to pay him for services. So unless he is working for free the bills will be sent to the Estate. He has nothing to loose by filing frivolous law suits because it does not come out of his clients it comes from the families collective shared holdings. Please remember that all of the deals that he and Copplemen crafted have them attached to the deals for life by name. This means that the museum and all the deals that were "advised"on by the pair will always attach them to this estates activity.
I am not a lawyer but my observational insight from 40 years in entertainment have helped me craft my outlook on this situation. I hope you don't mind me commenting and I hope my comments get thru I am not familiar with all the ways to use this site.
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Hi Laura, this is Dave Hampton. The reason why I said that is because the studios are able to record music to an extent. The studios are not in shape to a level necessary for the proper handelling of the materials right now. If Prince were alive it would just be a process that would be undertaken to modify for doing this work as well as continue to support the other work. Due to the fact that he is gone every time the tapes are touched in reference to any reason special procedures must be taken because these are now "Historical Documents of Greater Significance". To open any tape and try to play it back without proper procedures Destroy's History and destroys the potential value of the assett.
You are also corrwct in asking who would pay. Well part of the reason why things have been so stretched out is because when P died the proper order of events was not followed. His estate never had a proper evaluation from Bremer and the special advisors it would seem had created specific activity to help with funding the Paisley Park opertional cost and at the same time shifting the focus. All the relatives were now on course to poissibly get paid but they had to wait to be made official by the court. Then all the potential people who claimed father ship, husbandship, and other all hadto hav etheir day i court. This BS take money and time and distracts.
Part of the reasonw why I as well as long time caretaker and facilities mgr Rick Peloquin are not around is because we know what we know and it makes many uncomfortable. Rick wasprobably there with P the most and was privey to many of P's wishes.
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Thank you for your response. Has either you or Rick tried to reach out to Comerica as they seem to be on the ball and headed in the right direction.
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Actually Mr. Bullshit I never believed all of the vault was moldy because I took the time to read the actual court docs and I do not get all my info from some news blog. I believe Comerica used some instances of damages as an example of why things were moved.
I do not believe everything in the vault was ruined or they would not have bothered to move all of it. (Duh)
We know there was flooding so that is not news and it is possible the climate controls were broken after all Prince said he was not going to do anythng with the Vault and someone else would take care of it. Once again his call not ours.
Sorry but it was said by people who worked there that he had the combo and of course he would let in people who worked for him. ( Duh!!) How would they know that he had his own catalogue system in his head if they were never in the vault with him or that he had sent them in to get stuff. It does not mean the door were wide open and guess what combo's can be changed.
At the end of the day it was his music to do as he pleased not yours and not mine. You sound like another delusional bitter ex-employee or associate who thinks that owned something or ran something when you were an employee getting a check. End of story.
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It will be out for fans once it has been orgainized and cleaned up. I know Lonnie you and SNJ are licking your chops for money but dumping this stuff on some streaming site in an unorganized and cheap fashion is not going to happen.
Why do you think Iron Mountain was brough in for grins and giggles? Let me know when Lonnie and SNJ can show their background in estate management and tax law.
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I am so grateful for Dave's comments. He is one person whose expertise in these matters I would trust. Thank you, Dave. | |
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Still nothing in the pipeline. Sad. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Can I just say thank you to Dave Hampton for your insights. I wish you were an advisor to the Estate. They need people with your knowledge involved this process. I shudder to think who they will engage once they get to a point of wanting to release vault material. smh Paisley Park is in your heart
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It will be a while. Not sad--that's just life. Sit and wait and find some other music to help make yourself happy by, I'd suggest, and/or do your own, 'cause life is short. And bring popcorn to help satisfy your hunger as we follow the convo in this place!
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Thank you Mr. Hampton for chiming in for all of our sakes, to better our understanding of circumstances at PP and the Vault, and offering us your perspective toward the unfolding events. I hope that at some point your expertise may be utilized by the estate and/or heirs of Prince in the technical management processes of the historic recorded material. Like you say, you possess valuable practical experience and knowledge, and share history with the PP site and its founder. | |
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Kobe said: Prince's heart was ripped out from Paisley Park... now the building is just nothing that is waiting to be demolished. After all there are no rules at Paisley Park. Yes I agree. Prince's heart was ripped out from Paisley Park! They need to bring everything back to. This was his whole life. I hope they respect him and bring it all back. | |
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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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Thanks for your insight Dave!
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. If you sonsider those tapes to be PP's heart then the heart was not properly cared for. It needs some surgery and perhaps a pacemaker to sustain it's task for a while longer. The mess needs to be cleaned up, order needs to be restored. Susan did some work in this area when she was involved, but who relaly started neglecting this part of the job? Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Hi, Mr. Hampton. Thank you for sharing your firsthand knowledge of Prince, Paisley Park, and his Vault. Based on your observations, approximately what percentage of the master tapes stored in the Vault would you say was compromised? I know you can't say with absolute certainty, but could you give us a rough estimate based on circumstances at the time of your last stint at Paisley? Thanks in advance for any insight you can give in this regard. | |
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Great observation! LM is totally playing th court of public opinion. In the end his legal status is and will always be overshadowed by his quest for financial involvement at any cost with the estate of prince. "Family" = all of the siblings tha the court has ruled are heirs. If he were truly about upjholding the "law" then LM would drop the divide and conquer strategy he has in keeping the family members seperated and bring them together for closure.
Fans trust is eroded every time the now divided house of Prince attempts to do something. I recently saw a FB post of someone telling about attending the O2 exihibition and touching the garments on display. Lot's of loose ends and the Judge should be the final word much of this. | |
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Sorry, but Prince was letting his so-called heart rot and decay for years at Paisley Park, and if it's brought back, it will just continue to rot and decay further! Since it was his whole life, as you say, why would you not want it to be properly protected? Personally, I think his audio and video assets being moved to Iron Mountain and stored under climate-controlled conditions coupled with the fact that the assets that were identified as having degraded or suffered mold and water damage have been segregated from the other assets in order to protect the integrity of the remaining assets in the archive is the best news I've heard since his death. | |
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OK, so what about NORAD? The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams | |
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And for the rest of your incoherent ramblings above; you need to get yourself checked because the foam out your mouth in penetrating you empty skull... O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Me too.
Dave, I heard from someone I know in the industry who knew someone who worked as an engineer at Paisley Park in the early 2000s that the multitracks for Prince's albums up to that point had been digitally transferred. Was this definitely done? | |
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It is comforting that gems like the recently leaked IWD4U (82-2-15) are safe(r) now, but details about the processes amd steps towards a release of anything from the vault would be welcome. I.e.: when will we see them bills from IMEwhatever for restauration processings? When will we get details on how many hours -per category of live recording, studio work, etc- are salvaged, digitized, etc? When will we know what the idea of the (big) label is towards releasing this material? Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Comerica May have blown the damage to the vault out of promotion https://m.youtube.com/wat...6GrpNvWQt0
This is from the YouTube Channel Prince’s Friend. Check out at 5:30 point 12 if Iron Moutain’s deposition which discuss the security of the vault and the only damaged items appearing to the items in the office.
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laurarichardson said: Comerica May have blown the damage to the vault out of promotion https://m.youtube.com/wat...6GrpNvWQt0 This is from the YouTube Channel Prince’s Friend. Check out at 5:30 point 12 if Iron Moutain’s deposition which discuss the security of the vault and the only damaged items appearing to the items in the office.
He just posted this as a follow up though: https://m.youtube.com/wat...vDApO664lM | |
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Does anyone know who this person is? He makes a video to cause the masses to become hysterical and then issues a retraction? | |
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This guy is reading docs without fact checking. He means well but he is dangerious. By his own admission "he didn't read it corrrectly". He has limited knowledge and has never been there so when he says that Comerica is lying he is also calling all of us engineers a lie as well when it comes to the conditions of the Vault. The fact is the tapes are at Iron Mountain and to continue to slander them should be something that stops. now he is taking Sharon's statements ands trying to blame Comerica for the failed UMG deal. The failure lies on the special advisors and Bremer. The problem is that Sharon and her legal advisors have to take a stance so they attack, attack, and attack all who are "presently", responsible instead of making the original people who fucked up accountable. They almost have to do that since one of Sharons advisors was one of the same advisors who originally was involved in the messed up the UMG deal. It's all legal posturing. In the end advisors and lawsuits will cheat the family out of precious time and whatever money that's left. If Comerica stopped tomorrow and it was all turned over to the family would they have a plan? would they be able to work together? We don't know. With each day time moves on and so does a large amoiunt of Princes unhandelled business. Please call people on their Bullshit do not let the validation of unsound theories keep going on. It's waisted air. | |
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