TheEquilizer said:

udo said:

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Comerica is in it for the money.

They are not a music company or a company with a heart for music.

The music P made was intended for them fans.

This production stopped once he died.

So whatever is left (not any longer in but) from the vault should provide us with that material.

When looking at all them studio sessions, live shows, albums, outtakes, etc, etc we gather that there is an enormous amount of music waiting to be released.

From history we know that record companies and the like do not understand a market correctly.

Today we are the market.

We know Prince. We love Prince. We need Prince.

Do they understand that in 50 years time most of us will be dead or at least less interested in his music?

Do they understand that they should release most of his music now and in the next decade to reach the interested public?

Do they understand that monetization gets harder as time goes by?

That is why we need to know.

They just need to tell us what they are aiming for, e.g. new music in mid 2018, while explaining their progress in restoring and catalogueing tapes (`we have processed xx kilos of xx tonnes`)

Because if we sit back we will not hear most of that material, ever.

KUDO's 2 UDO he's onto something! I mean we can't even get an out of print re-release of post 96 stuff, let alone unreleased or new material. In the words of the Mighty Mighty O'Jays, "You Got To Give The People, Give The People What They Want Now!"

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

laurarichardson said:

TheEquilizer said:

KUDO's 2 UDO he's onto something! I mean we can't even get an out of print re-release of post 96 stuff, let alone unreleased or new material. In the words of the Mighty Mighty O'Jays, "You Got To Give The People, Give The People What They Want Now!"

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

Isn't it simply AMAZING that TheEquilizer popped up, right on time???

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

Isn't it simply AMAZING that TheEquilizer popped up, right on time???

Yes, it is showing off their inablity to read the actual facts once again.

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Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

Isn't it simply AMAZING that TheEquilizer popped up, right on time???

laurarichardson said:

TheEquilizer said:

KUDO's 2 UDO he's onto something! I mean we can't even get an out of print re-release of post 96 stuff, let alone unreleased or new material. In the words of the Mighty Mighty O'Jays, "You Got To Give The People, Give The People What They Want Now!"

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

Go sit down somewhere, LR, is that a nice thing to say? I'm simply stating in agreement with UDO that the music should be available to the fans? 10 months in and all we get is the Purple Rain Deluxe? We all know that there is content ready to go right now. Oh well, no new NPG Music Club for now. "We now return to the regular scheduled program, hold on to your wigs!"

TheEquilizer said:

laurarichardson said:

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

Go sit down somewhere, LR, is that a nice thing to say? I'm simply stating in agreement with UDO that the music should be available to the fans? 10 months in and all we get is the Purple Rain Deluxe? We all know that there is content ready to go right now. Oh well, no new NPG Music Club for now. "We now return to the regular scheduled program, hold on to your wigs!"

Lonnie, dont you have more important things to tend to rather than posting on the org?

laurarichardson said:

Also from what I am reading leaking roofs from snow cover is not that unusual for Minnesota.

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If it is a risk then prpeare for it.

If you do not care for the effects of the risk, then build houses like americans do.

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The media is taking one aspect out of 100s of pages of documents and blowing it up as usual. I know 20k worth of material was not hauled out and all was damaged.

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It is not blown up.

If tapes suffer from multiple leaks in the building then there is abig problem.

A problem with general maintenenance of the building, a problem with the design of the building and a problem with the design of the storage space for them tapes.

The whole story shows a general lack of care: after a leak has been fixed the damaged tapes should have received some care; they did not.

Also the tapes, even without leaks, suffer deterioration because of age. No care was noted in the article, even effects of non-care were noted in the article.

And these things do not stand alone.

See his tax payment history.

His way of committing to longer term projects with not-just-music-making.

See his way or organising tours in the last few decades.

See his way of caring for his own body.

Etc, etc.

I see a big trend here.

Probably there was plenty of money but he was too lazy/unconcerned/uninformed/incapable/etc to put it to good use w.r.t. care for everything I mentioned.

You can deny the trend but facts are facts.

laurarichardson said:

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up.

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As if they have a plan for that.

It will take ages.

So we will not see a flood of music (we need that if we are going to hear most of that tsuff in our lives).

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Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it.

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Records have been out there for a while (vinyl, CD, DVD-A, BD, SACD, etc.

Nowadays we can offer downloads via the innertubes and Hillary's wipe disks with a cloth.

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Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS.

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The MJ case merely points in the same direction.

The talent is not so multi-dimensional as to be able to actually control the wealth collected too.

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Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

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How?

The laws are clear...

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These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

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If the flat fee continues for long enough the swamp will eventually be drained of all the money...

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Go sit down somewhere or take the time to read the docs. We are not going to get anything until everything has been catalogued and cleaned up. Even then you need to find a means for distrubing it. Also try reading the attached article about the problems the MJ estate is having with the IRS. Comerica explains that they are watching this carefully to avoid the same hugh tax bill that the MJ estate may be dealing with.

These people are accountants and business people they are not morons and they are actually working on a flat fee so they are not making a fortune.

Isn't it simply AMAZING that TheEquilizer popped up, right on time???

Actually, I've never left, just listening and taking it all in, some of the comments are quite entertaining and at most, don't warrant my efforts to share info or comment on.

TheEquilizer said:

Mumio said:

Isn't it simply AMAZING that TheEquilizer popped up, right on time???

Actually, I've never left, just listening and taking it all in, some of the comments are quite entertaining and at most, don't warrant my efforts to share info or comment on.

Well we've been waiting with BAITED breath for you to come in here and spin some more stories for us "makemillions"
Doesn't it feel nice to be wanted?

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rap said:

Prince’s Vault Suffered From ‘Water Damage, Mold, Degradation,’ at Paisley Park, Court Documents Say

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/princes-vault-suffered-from-water-damage-mold-degradation-at-paisley-park-court-documents-say-1202614267/

Oh my wow!
Neversin said this a month ago on this very thread and I hoped it wasn't true!
I think laurarichardson should hound Neversin for more info
But seriuosly, he saw this with his own eyes so he has been in the vault. Neversin could you please tell us about the contents of the vault before it was all taken away???
I know you think most people here are worthless crap not worthy of the info you post to put it nicely but I think the people who do respect your posts and I think that's the majoraty in here, will listen so please if you know more then tell us or write a book or something
Like someone said on the Tidal thread: every time you post here people should take note.

JorisE73 said:

I think laurarichardson should hound Neversin for more info
But seriuosly, he saw this with his own eyes so he has been in the vault.

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So the proof of gross negligence is here.

A leak is no problem. It is about the aftercare if we do not dive into the avoidance of leaks.

JorisE73 said:

rap said:

Prince’s Vault Suffered From ‘Water Damage, Mold, Degradation,’ at Paisley Park, Court Documents Say

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/princes-vault-suffered-from-water-damage-mold-degradation-at-paisley-park-court-documents-say-1202614267/

Oh my wow!
Neversin said this a month ago on this very thread and I hoped it wasn't true!
I think laurarichardson should hound Neversin for more info
But seriuosly, he saw this with his own eyes so he has been in the vault. Neversin could you please tell us about the contents of the vault before it was all taken away???
I know you think most people here are worthless crap not worthy of the info you post to put it nicely but I think the people who do respect your posts and I think that's the majoraty in here, will listen so please if you know more then tell us or write a book or something
Like someone said on the Tidal thread: every time you post here people should take note.

David Hampton already talked about this on a few podcast. We already knew that at point one of the vaults had been flooded. If you take the time to read the court docs some tapes were not in the vault they were in other rooms and storage areas.

In no way does this mean all of the 20,000.00 items were damaged. This is the media taking a small bit of info and blowing it out of propotion. The court docs actually have quite of bit of other info.

TheEquilizer said:

Mumio said:

Isn't it simply AMAZING that TheEquilizer popped up, right on time???

Actually, I've never left, just listening and taking it all in, some of the comments are quite entertaining and at most, don't warrant my efforts to share info or comment on.

Don't comment go and read Comerica' s response to the sibs and LM's foolishness. All should be embarrassed and come next week Comerica is going to still be around.

Thank goodness the court is overseeing things because if this group of melon heads were willed everything we the public would never get to hear any music because it would still be rotting in PP. The sibs would have cashed out and sold everything. PP would not be operating. Tradmark infringment would continue. The lawsuits that LM caused would not have been settled. The only good thing is LM was not able to get his daughter's music on Sportify. (LOL)

Prince now appears to have been totally incompetent, mentally unable to process even the most basic care for physical assets.

I base this on:

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"None of the storage spaces-including the Vault-appeared to have humidity
controls and all appeared to have insufficient climate controls for the proper
preservation of audio and video materials."

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This text can be found at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-10-17.pdf

udo said:

Prince now appears to have been totally incompetent, mentally unable to process even the most basic care for physical assets.

I base this on:

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"None of the storage spaces-including the Vault-appeared to have humidity
controls and all appeared to have insufficient climate controls for the proper
preservation of audio and video materials."

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This text can be found at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-10-17.pdf

Here's a thought: Maybe pain and health issues left Prince distracted. And, perhaps, he took for granted his musical genius and the artifacts he created at-will.

FlyOnTheWall said:

udo said:

Prince now appears to have been totally incompetent, mentally unable to process even the most basic care for physical assets.

I base this on:

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"None of the storage spaces-including the Vault-appeared to have humidity
controls and all appeared to have insufficient climate controls for the proper
preservation of audio and video materials."

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This text can be found at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-10-17.pdf

Here's a thought: Maybe pain and health issues left Prince distracted. And, perhaps, he took for granted his musical genius and the artifacts he created at-will.

According to Dave Hampton and other engineers the Vault had climate control when they worked for him. Seems to me it would have come with climate control. I am sure the storage spaces and offices did not.

Remember PP has not been used as a studio in over a year and half. Climate control was probaly broken and the comment states appeared and not sufficient. That is not a statement that is definite. Maybe the climate contorls were not adequte for 20 - 30 year storage. What I do know is nothing Prince recorded in the last few years has deteroiated and Comerica was not going to have 20, 000.00 pieces of tape moved if it all was damaged. Comerica is also trying to make a point if one tape had issues the others may have as well so let's just move then all.

The media is going to seize on this tidbit and run with it as usual. Drama for the sake of drama which is the fault of the older sibs.

FlyOnTheWall said:

udo said:

Prince now appears to have been totally incompetent, mentally unable to process even the most basic care for physical assets.

I base this on:

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"None of the storage spaces-including the Vault-appeared to have humidity
controls and all appeared to have insufficient climate controls for the proper
preservation of audio and video materials."

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This text can be found at http://www.mncourts.gov/m...-10-17.pdf

Here's a thought: Maybe pain and health issues left Prince distracted. And, perhaps, he took for granted his musical genius and the artifacts he created at-will.

He said he was not going to be putting this stuff out at all on the view. I also read recently that depending on time and damage it can cause as much 20k to repair these tapes. At least that is how much the Bob Marley tape cost to repair from the 70s

I cannot see Prince spending that kind of money without knowing what the return on thei investment would be or maybe having to get permission from WB on the stuff he recorded when he was signed to them.

While people agonize over what was taken to Iron Mountain, please tell me where the memorabilia is going to go. Who or what entity is going to want it all?

So the only things that have been confirmed are some moldy cardboard boxes that they had to peel off a shelf, a few rusty film cannisters and a funny smell. Big deal

Actually, it is a big deal.

rap said:

Actually, it is a big deal.

Why? u cant listen to cardboard boxes

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Here's a thought: Maybe pain and health issues left Prince distracted. And, perhaps, he took for granted his musical genius and the artifacts he created at-will.

He said he was not going to be putting this stuff out at all on the view. I also read recently that depending on time and damage it can cause as much 20k to repair these tapes. At least that is how much the Bob Marley tape cost to repair from the 70s

I cannot see Prince spending that kind of money without knowing what the return on thei investment would be or maybe having to get permission from WB on the stuff he recorded when he was signed to them.

Prince wouldn't have bothered restoring/repairing anything, he would have just re-recorded whatever it was, now we don't have that option.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Here's a thought: Maybe pain and health issues left Prince distracted. And, perhaps, he took for granted his musical genius and the artifacts he created at-will.

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A process of care could have been in place ever since PP was built.

Yet nothing was done. Read these PDFs , not even physcial access was strict.

Udo is right. It would have cost a tremendous amount of money right from the start to properly house work product including music, videos, etc. I don't think Prince ever imagined he would have so much to store in that manner, as well as memorabilia. If he did, he probably would have had a third building just for storage, fully tricked out to properly house its contents. But after 20 or 30 years, it seems that wasn't on his radar.

udo said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Here's a thought: Maybe pain and health issues left Prince distracted. And, perhaps, he took for granted his musical genius and the artifacts he created at-will.

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A process of care could have been in place ever since PP was built.

Yet nothing was done. Read these PDFs , not even physcial access was strict.

Because Prince said in an interview that he was not going to be releashing the material. He said someone else would be but not him. I suspect just because of the expense alone.

And physical access was strict when he was alive because he was the only one who knew the combo.

It was Bremer who drill the vault open and I suspect left it open knowing Paisley Park was now a public place.

i think this is amazing and much needed! Though, I am curious of a few things:

1. How much will this cost the estate?
2. How long will it take to digitze ALL the music/videos?
3. Will an inventory list be made public? (you all know, you want to know what was in there after all these years)
4. Does the old tapes stay there? Or go back to PP?

laurarichardson said:

And physical access was strict when he was alive because he was the only one who knew the combo.

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I only read in them case papers that access was found (after his death) to be not so strict.

I wonder about fresh leaks. Not since the move since IM.

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It was Bremer who drill the vault open and I suspect left it open knowing Paisley Park was now a public place.

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That is not so smart.

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I suspect just because of the expense alone.

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Prince was a rich man. A nice room with some shelves, an airconditioner/dehumidifer, perhaps in a redundant configuration, should not be expensive in his eyes.

Add some solar panels and even the electricity bill might not be too bad.

laurarichardson said:

And physical access was strict when he was alive because he was the only one who knew the combo.

Bullshit...
Prince sent numerous members of his staff and band members in there to get him stuff...
The vault combination was known to at least 6 engineers who worked for him on and off in the last 25 years...
When the vault was in full lockdown he had one of his minions get the keys from his office and gave them the combination when he needed something from in there...
Plus nobody said the entire vault and it's contents were moldy or damaged so stop clinging to shit nobody said to validate your assumptions and half baked theories based on 20% of "facts" in documents and hearsay...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

laurarichardson said:

And physical access was strict when he was alive because he was the only one who knew the combo.

Bullshit...
Prince sent numerous members of his staff and band members in there to get him stuff...
The vault combination was known to at least 6 engineers who worked for him on and off in the last 25 years...
When the vault was in full lockdown he had one of his minions get the keys from his office and gave them the combination when he needed something from in there...
Plus nobody said the entire vault and it's contents were moldy or damaged so stop clinging to shit nobody said to validate your assumptions and half baked theories based on 20% of "facts" in documents and hearsay...

Neversin.

I know Dear Neversin that u are upset with a lot of Prince Fans & Others but i have to admit that we need some guy like on this forum...that's it & i say it...thanx 4 ur input !