Bodhitheblackdog said:

Empress said:

You got that right! It would've been so much easier if he had've left a will.

This may be THE understatement in all of recorded musical history. I wonder if he left it this way as an attention-getting device?!

Even with a will the estate would still be in probate. A will determines who the heirs are and what they get. A judge has already determined that the heirs are the siblings and they get everything. At this point having a will or not makes no difference.

Neversin said:

udo said:

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Why then is there no will insisting on certain tapes (nicely catalogued etc) beging destroyed c.q. withheld?

No, it is one big mess.

It looks like one person was not as concerned about this as you are.

Prince recorded his thoughts, which became recorded memories...
He stashed that in his vault and he could grab it for use whenever he felt like, to use for his own...
For instance, if he improvised a song specifically for a certain someone, say for example for that persons birthday or whatever, and he had someone record it so he could put it away in his vault for reference, or to use at a later date, then that shit is not for you to hear...
Prince also recorded private things like anyone else that isn't for strangers to see or hear...
Accept that...

Neversin.

In the absolute, yes.
Except there is no artist that has contributed in a major way to an art, that doesn't get analyzed, dissected in full. And that means going through its drawers and personal stuff, alas.
If Prince's work becomes the first example of not going through this process, fine.
But I doubt it.

It all depends if you consider Hendrix's family are violating his memory and legacy by regularly putting out unreleased stuff. Then, art is just a world made of Tomb Raiders.

Honestly, unless the song puts someone at risk, or its release causes personal trouble to anyone, then OK, keep it hidden. Else, it's just going through sketches and preparatory work, and to me it's no big deal. It happens for every major artist, and it has nothing to do desacralizing or blaspheming. Quite the contrary, in fact. It's preservation and transmission.
I don't see the point of taking Prince's defense, it's not like he's under attack or something. He's gone, and could not care less in my opinion. Again, given what is released does not cause harm or embarass someone.

TheEnglishGent said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This may be THE understatement in all of recorded musical history. I wonder if he left it this way as an attention-getting device?!

Even with a will the estate would still be in probate. A will determines who the heirs are and what they get. A judge has already determined that the heirs are the siblings and they get everything. At this point having a will or not makes no difference.

Thank you. I am not sure how many times this has to be stated. If he had a will it could have been contested and we would have everything tied up in court at a stand still.

If he left everything to his sibs via a will they would obvisouly be fighting with each other which they are doing right now. Thank goodness the court is overseeing things.

Neversin said:

udo said:

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Why then is there no will insisting on certain tapes (nicely catalogued etc) beging destroyed c.q. withheld?

No, it is one big mess.

It looks like one person was not as concerned about this as you are.

Prince recorded his thoughts, which became recorded memories...
He stashed that in his vault and he could grab it for use whenever he felt like, to use for his own...
For instance, if he improvised a song specifically for a certain someone, say for example for that persons birthday or whatever, and he had someone record it so he could put it away in his vault for reference, or to use at a later date, then that shit is not for you to hear...
Prince also recorded private things like anyone else that isn't for strangers to see or hear...
Accept that...

Neversin.

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

udo said:

Neversin said:

Prince recorded his thoughts, which became recorded memories...
He stashed that in his vault and he could grab it for use whenever he felt like, to use for his own...
For instance, if he improvised a song specifically for a certain someone, say for example for that persons birthday or whatever, and he had someone record it so he could put it away in his vault for reference, or to use at a later date, then that shit is not for you to hear...
Prince also recorded private things like anyone else that isn't for strangers to see or hear...
Accept that...

Neversin.

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

This isn't about his 'will'... This is about using common sense...
A shitload of people in here want every single piece Prince has recorded released...
So, for example, even a sextape with him fucking some chick to an unreleased song, of which any other copy is missing, should also be released just for some fans to hear the music?!
This is pure stupidity and borders on a form of "stalker" behaviour...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

udo said:

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

This isn't about his 'will'... This is about using common sense...
A shitload of people in here want every single piece Prince has recorded released...
So, for example, even a sextape with him fucking some chick to an unreleased song, of which any other copy is missing, should also be released just for some fans to hear the music?!
This is pure stupidity and borders on a form of "stalker" behaviour...

Neversin.

According to Ian Boxhill Prince did erase stuff so I doubt anything embarrassing is in the vault.

udo said:

Neversin said:

Prince recorded his thoughts, which became recorded memories...
He stashed that in his vault and he could grab it for use whenever he felt like, to use for his own...
For instance, if he improvised a song specifically for a certain someone, say for example for that persons birthday or whatever, and he had someone record it so he could put it away in his vault for reference, or to use at a later date, then that shit is not for you to hear...
Prince also recorded private things like anyone else that isn't for strangers to see or hear...
Accept that...

Neversin.

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

Via a Will he could have made specific charitable bequests, he could have named specific individuals or entitities to curate his music or run PP, he could have included in a Will details for the PP Museum which he wanted carried out, wishes which for all we know are not known, being followed or are being violated by the Graceland people, he could have provided financially for others not in his immediate family, he could have specifically forbidden the use of his image in hologram for a Vegas show,he could have left directions for the dispersal, sale or contribution to a museum for many of his musical instruments, he could have set up a trust to fund musical education for disadvantaged children who without such help will never be able to hold a musical instrument in their hands, he could have made a contribution to his church or a scientific institute researching the genetic disease which took his son from him, he could have limited the amount of money each sib got so more could be used for charitable purposes, he could have mandated that if a sib contested or violated the terms of his will they would get nothing......Oh ye of little faith, probate IS NOT just about naming heirs...it's about following the wishes expressed in a Will and dispursing the assets of an estate accordingly. IF you think NOT having a will, and what we see now, is what Prince wanted to unfold, than you are saying he was a careless, thoughtless man who came down firmly on the side of chaos and disorder... which does not serve his memory well.

And to those who insist any Will would have been challenged...maybe...but at least WE would have known what Prince wanted to see happen and that would be some small measure of comfort and who knows what public pressure may have been brought to bear to see that his wishes were honored.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Via a Will he could have made specific charitable bequests, he could have named specific individuals or entitities to curate his music or run PP, he could have included in a Will details for the PP Museum which he wanted carried out, wishes which for all we know are not known, being followed or are being violated by the Graceland people, he could have provided financially for others not in his immediate family, he could have specifically forbidden the use of his image in hologram for a Vegas show,he could have left directions for the dispersal, sale or contribution to a museum for many of his musical instruments, he could have set up a trust to fund musical education for disadvantaged children who without such help will never be able to hold a musical instrument in their hands, he could have made a contribution to his church or a scientific institute researching the genetic disease which took his son from him, he could have limited the amount of money each sib got so more could be used for charitable purposes, he could have mandated that if a sib contested or violated the terms of his will they would get nothing......Oh ye of little faith, probate IS NOT just about naming heirs...it's about following the wishes expressed in a Will and dispursing the assets of an estate accordingly. IF you think NOT having a will, and what we see now, is what Prince wanted to unfold, than you are saying he was a careless, thoughtless man who came down firmly on the side of chaos and disorder... which does not serve his memory well.

And to those who insist any Will would have been challenged...maybe...but at least WE would have known what Prince wanted to see happen and that would be some small measure of comfort and who knows what public pressure may have been brought to bear to see that his wishes were honored.

I see your point. I really do. but I think Prince enjoyed being in control of all those things. Meaning giving feels good to the soul. He received a feeling from it. I think he was just gonna grow old and give away keeping just enough to live comfortable. Downsizing as needed in order to be charitable. I don't think he cared beyond death. he wanted I think to give while living enjoying the annoynomous Giving. All the rest to me is our personal musings on a possibility he could have chose. He knows people were not satisfied with his decisions while he was alive I think he knew it didn't matter really. He was satisfying his soul, not ours. I just think he enjoyed giving and wanted to do it in his earthy time. IMO.

PURE PRINCE

great post purplefam99

Bodhitheblackdog said:

udo said:

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

Via a Will he could have made specific charitable bequests, he could have named specific individuals or entitities to curate his music or run PP, he could have included in a Will details for the PP Museum which he wanted carried out, wishes which for all we know are not known, being followed or are being violated by the Graceland people, he could have provided financially for others not in his immediate family, he could have specifically forbidden the use of his image in hologram for a Vegas show,he could have left directions for the dispersal, sale or contribution to a museum for many of his musical instruments, he could have set up a trust to fund musical education for disadvantaged children who without such help will never be able to hold a musical instrument in their hands, he could have made a contribution to his church or a scientific institute researching the genetic disease which took his son from him, he could have limited the amount of money each sib got so more could be used for charitable purposes, he could have mandated that if a sib contested or violated the terms of his will they would get nothing......Oh ye of little faith, probate IS NOT just about naming heirs...it's about following the wishes expressed in a Will and dispursing the assets of an estate accordingly. IF you think NOT having a will, and what we see now, is what Prince wanted to unfold, than you are saying he was a careless, thoughtless man who came down firmly on the side of chaos and disorder... which does not serve his memory well.

And to those who insist any Will would have been challenged...maybe...but at least WE would have known what Prince wanted to see happen and that would be some small measure of comfort and who knows what public pressure may have been brought to bear to see that his wishes were honored.

Did I not already give you two examples of what is going on with the James Brown and Ray Charles estate. They wanted to have royatlies go to charities and set it up to with Trust and their kids found a means to tie things up in court.

Do you see what is going on with his sibs right now and you can go back in the court files and read how Sharon acted when John Nelson passed.

Prince knew what was going to happen. Remember their is a rumor that he told people to get their stuff out of Paisly the last week before he passed.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

udo said:

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

Via a Will he could have made specific charitable bequests, he could have named specific individuals or entitities to curate his music or run PP, he could have included in a Will details for the PP Museum which he wanted carried out, wishes which for all we know are not known, being followed or are being violated by the Graceland people, he could have provided financially for others not in his immediate family, he could have specifically forbidden the use of his image in hologram for a Vegas show,he could have left directions for the dispersal, sale or contribution to a museum for many of his musical instruments, he could have set up a trust to fund musical education for disadvantaged children who without such help will never be able to hold a musical instrument in their hands, he could have made a contribution to his church or a scientific institute researching the genetic disease which took his son from him, he could have limited the amount of money each sib got so more could be used for charitable purposes, he could have mandated that if a sib contested or violated the terms of his will they would get nothing......Oh ye of little faith, probate IS NOT just about naming heirs...it's about following the wishes expressed in a Will and dispursing the assets of an estate accordingly. IF you think NOT having a will, and what we see now, is what Prince wanted to unfold, than you are saying he was a careless, thoughtless man who came down firmly on the side of chaos and disorder... which does not serve his memory well.

And to those who insist any Will would have been challenged...maybe...but at least WE would have known what Prince wanted to see happen and that would be some small measure of comfort and who knows what public pressure may have been brought to bear to see that his wishes were honored.

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Not to mention sitting on multiple fault lines that traverse the state and region...with the possibility of the BIG earthquake hitting at any time, and Pacific tsunamis inundating most of the West Coast, from Washington down to Cali. I mean, surely, they could have retrofitted Paisley Park with climate-controlled storage facilities.

AGREED! This is lunacy PP was prince's home and heart They've taken then heart away

Nobody thinks of those things until they happen. Unfortunately we live in a reactive society, rather than proactive, corporate wise, political wise, defense wise, etc. We are country of putting out fires, not preventing them.

When the big one hits, and it will, say goodbye to ALL of Prince's work.

has the info of WHY they were taken out there???

leadline said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

FlyOnTheWall said: AGREED! This is lunacy PP was prince's home and heart They've taken then heart away

Nobody thinks of those things until they happen. Unfortunately we live in a reactive society, rather than proactive, corporate wise, political wise, defense wise, etc. We are country of putting out fires, not preventing them.

When the big one hits, and it will, say goodbye to ALL of Prince's work.

I wish Comerica would have negotiated with Iron Mountain and told them that they would only sign on with them if they could store/restore/digitize Prince's catalog there in Minneapolis. His is such an historic, massive body of work that I am pretty sure that they could have been convinced to set up a second entertainment division there in the midwest, assuming those capabilities are not currently available in Minnesota.

Either that or they could have retrofitted the egg building there on the Paisley Park campus and turned it into a dedicated state of the art preservation/archival facility. To be sure, that would be expensive, but, over time, it would probably not cost much more than the surely exorbitant fees that they will pay Iron Mountain.

Now, I know that there has been some speculation about turning the egg into a hotel. If that is the case, then there is so much land in P's estate, they could build an indestructible site from the ground up just for Prince's Vault.

[Edited 10/19/17 17:27pm]

leadline said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

FlyOnTheWall said: AGREED! This is lunacy PP was prince's home and heart They've taken then heart away

Nobody thinks of those things until they happen. Unfortunately we live in a reactive society, rather than proactive, corporate wise, political wise, defense wise, etc. We are country of putting out fires, not preventing them.

When the big one hits, and it will, say goodbye to ALL of Prince's work.

The Japanese have the highest I.Q. of any country, and look at what happened to Fukushima?

On the plus side, I'm assuming the mountain will be safe from a tsunami, just not a huge earthquake?!?!

Meanwhile, we cut down trees for fun- creating more global warming while at same time burdening our bodies with added cholesterol from palm oil; lace all crops with pesticides (often not necessary) and in doing so, kill off 3/4 of the world's insects - which supply other animals food they depend on; and of course do the Trump thing of pushing coal/gas production at the expense of zero carbon 'renewables', which i think currently run at cheaper cost.

The estate has made the call on this. Comerica has to follow specific guidelines and has come out and said all of the sibs were notified numerous times. Y'all can sit here and second guess the decisions that have been made and wring your hands and clutch your pearls until the cows come home, but it's a done deal. We have nothing to say about it, it's not our property, and the estate isn't asking for our opinions on if this was the right course of action. I am going to go on the assumption that this was done to preserve and protect his work and since we've heard from a few people who have a better idea about this kind of thing than we do, I'm also gonna believe them when they say this was the right course of action.

It's never ceases to amaze me how much each step the court or administrator makes in handling the estate creates so much drama in the Prince community

Neversin said:

udo said:

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Yes, but P never left a guidline/will/etc for releasing stuff (or not) before he passed, as far as we know.

So his true 'will' is not known.

This isn't about his 'will'... This is about using common sense...

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It will be a conflict between money and something called `ethics`.

Maybe not if they release stuff WB-style, moreso if they really get going.

Mumio said:

The estate has made the call on this. Comerica has to follow specific guidelines and has come out and said all of the sibs were notified numerous times. Y'all can sit here and second guess the decisions that have been made and wring your hands and clutch your pearls until the cows come home, but it's a done deal. We have nothing to say about it, it's not our property, and the estate isn't asking for our opinions on if this was the right course of action. I am going to go on the assumption that this was done to preserve and protect his work and since we've heard from a few people who have a better idea about this kind of thing than we do, I'm also gonna believe them when they say this was the right course of action.

It's never ceases to amaze me how much each step the court or administrator makes in handling the estate creates so much drama in the Prince community

Stop clutching your pearls.

Its gonna to be alright.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Its gonna to be alright.

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What!?

You do have the plans for releasing the vault?

As well as the release schedule?

Please share!

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Dumb trust in commercial entities is foolish.

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

rogifan said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I wish Comerica would have negotiated with Iron Mountain and told them that they would only sign on with them if they could store/restore/digitize Prince's catalog there in Minneapolis. His is such an historic, massive body of work that I am pretty sure that they could have been convinced to set up a second entertainment division there in the midwest, assuming those capabilities are not currently available in Minnesota.

Either that or they could have retrofitted the egg building there on the Paisley Park campus and turned it into a dedicated state of the art preservation/archival facility. To be sure, that would be expensive, but, over time, it would probably not cost much more than the surely exorbitant fees that they will pay Iron Mountain.

Now, I know that there has been some speculation about turning the egg into a hotel. If that is the case, then there is so much land in P's estate, they could build an indestructible site from the ground up just for Prince's Vault.

[Edited 10/19/17 17:27pm]

Oh come on. Have you read up on this facility? Movie studios use it. The Grammys use it. Sports franchises use it. I can only imagine how much it would cost to build something similar in Minnesota, and for what purpose? Earthquake fears? Seriously?

Very. Seriously.

California Prepares for t...uake Drill

The event, first held nine years ago in the Los Angeles area, was organized by scientists and emergency officials as part of a campaign to prepare the region's inhabitants for a catastrophic quake that experts say is inevitable and long overdue.

The exercise has since expanded to encompass all of California and most other states, as well as some other countries, including Canada and Japan. In many places, entire school districts, colleges, workplaces and municipalities have registered to take part....

Such rehearsals are especially important in regions such as Southern California, where "it's not a matter of if but when that catastrophic earthquake will strike," said Ken Kondo, spokesman for Los Angeles County's emergency management office.....

A rupture of the San Andreas Fault in northern California caused the massive quake that laid waste to San Francisco in 1906. The last "big one" to strike south of the San Gabriel Mountains near Los Angeles was 300 years ago. The average interval between such quakes in that region is just 150 years, experts say. Read More...

Unfortunately, I am not an alarmist. Some of you keep poo-pooing this information because you don't like the messenger(s) or you dismiss it as pearl-clutching. As I commented earlier, seismologists and city planners are scrambling to try to prepare for a cataclysmic "Cascadia megaquake" and subsequent tsunamis expected to ripple through the "Pacific Ring of Fire" the west coast, possibly affecting the area from British Columbia to California. Volcanic activity is also anticipated.

There is so much hand-wringing because these megaquakes have historically happened every 150 years. It has been over 300 years since the last one hit the region. Here is an Oregon Public Broadcast sounding the alarm.

Unprepared: An Oregon Fie...de Special

[Edited 10/20/17 2:08am]

Whatever happens, happens. This is a respected and trusted facility. Perhaps someone could ask if they have a back-up location in another part of the country - it could be a place they send a duplicate copy to.

FlyOnTheWall said:

rogifan said:

OK well then I guess you better alert the Grammys and movie studios and sports teams who are all using this facility.

The entire population of CA too! Not hearing of any mass exodus happening nor planned. When talking natural disasters, there is no telling anything about it. I've been hearing that CA is gonna break off and drop into the ocean since I was a young child. That was a looong time ago and it's still there. Whatever happens, happens.

They can send the duplicate copies of the music to me. I'll keep them safe.

1Sasha said:

Whatever happens, happens. This is a respected and trusted facility. Perhaps someone could ask if they have a back-up location in another part of the country - it could be a place they send a duplicate copy to.