The lost version is legendary, this re recorded version is the 'lesser' version.

cause theres a lack of new threads????

I like it a lot, i can only imagine how the original version must sound, being this version as great as it is. The ending is superb.

Silvertongue7 said:

No song could possibly live up to the expectations we had. Having said that - what an amazing song!

Indeed, i wish we had it in pristine quality.

TheEnglishGent said:

The lost version is legendary, this re recorded version is the 'lesser' version.

Pretty much. You can hear elements that would have made the first cut otherworldly but Prince dialed down how much he put himself out there with the vocal performance and dumped a bunch of horns on top.

214 said:

Silvertongue7 said:

No song could possibly live up to the expectations we had. Having said that - what an amazing song!

Indeed, i wish we had it in pristine quality.

Let's just bring perfect back. Perfect is better than Pristine. I want a perfect version of Wally!

new or almost new, and in very good condition:

My favorite of the recent leaks. The emotion and sings with, the way the music plays with his feelings. The way he pretends to be fine when he really is hurting bad. I absolutely love it

It's a truly fantastic track. I still suspect that the track he "erased" was probably in almost all its essentials pretty much what we have here. He probably just reproduced it, with actual horns added in (I figure that some similar sounds were involved in the original, probably synths). Look, we're told that what Susan Rogers loved was the very barest form of the song--by the time he erased it she was already begging him to stop what in her mind was destroying it. He didn't think it was wrong--she did. He proved it was his decision to make. Then, later, after the "bad feeling" her challenging him had provoked--he went back and did it over. We have no reason to believe it's all that much different, at least not that I've ever heard of.

Although I feel it is a wonderful track, I cannot conceive of any reasonable way for it to have been released near it's time of composition. It doesn't seem to fit any of his projects, it's not a single, b-side seems like a strange thing to do to it. It's a really remarkable track... but I understand why it remained in the vault.

TheEnglishGent said:

214 said:

coldasice said:

EddieC said:

It's a truly fantastic track. I still suspect that the track he "erased" was probably in almost all its essentials pretty much what we have here. He probably just reproduced it, with actual horns added in (I figure that some similar sounds were involved in the original, probably synths). Look, we're told that what Susan Rogers loved was the very barest form of the song--by the time he erased it she was already begging him to stop what in her mind was destroying it. He didn't think it was wrong--she did. He proved it was his decision to make. Then, later, after the "bad feeling" her challenging him had provoked--he went back and did it over. We have no reason to believe it's all that much different, at least not that I've ever heard of.

Although I feel it is a wonderful track, I cannot conceive of any reasonable way for it to have been released near it's time of composition. It doesn't seem to fit any of his projects, it's not a single, b-side seems like a strange thing to do to it. It's a really remarkable track... but I understand why it remained in the vault.

I enjoy it for it's place and it's backstory in the canon of Purple music

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I think it could be very different from what was originally recorded in the moment.
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It seemed when he was doing the 'orginal' he was in a very emotional place when recording it and talking to her. To go back later and not be in that place would have a very different color.

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As far as I know, Old Friends 4 Sale -85 and Old Friends 4 Sale -91 were done 7yrs apart, and I think these two show how very different a song can feel when recorded 'outside' of the in the moment of time it was originally completed.

OldFriends4Sale said:

EddieC said:

It's a truly fantastic track. I still suspect that the track he "erased" was probably in almost all its essentials pretty much what we have here. He probably just reproduced it, with actual horns added in (I figure that some similar sounds were involved in the original, probably synths). Look, we're told that what Susan Rogers loved was the very barest form of the song--by the time he erased it she was already begging him to stop what in her mind was destroying it. He didn't think it was wrong--she did. He proved it was his decision to make. Then, later, after the "bad feeling" her challenging him had provoked--he went back and did it over. We have no reason to believe it's all that much different, at least not that I've ever heard of.

Although I feel it is a wonderful track, I cannot conceive of any reasonable way for it to have been released near it's time of composition. It doesn't seem to fit any of his projects, it's not a single, b-side seems like a strange thing to do to it. It's a really remarkable track... but I understand why it remained in the vault.

I enjoy it for it's place and it's backstory in the canon of Purple music

.

I think it could be very different from what was originally recorded in the moment.
.
It seemed when he was doing the 'orginal' he was in a very emotional place when recording it and talking to her. To go back later and not be in that place would have a very different color.

.

As far as I know, Old Friends 4 Sale -85 and Old Friends 4 Sale -91 were done 7yrs apart, and I think these two show how very different a song can feel when recorded 'outside' of the in the moment of time it was originally completed.

Or how much you can destroy the "feeling" a song has, as with OF4S. Perhaps that's the case with Wally, but we will never know that. Either way, i love this re-recorded version.

djdaffy1227 said:

My favorite of the recent leaks. The emotion and sings with, the way the music plays with his feelings. The way he pretends to be fine when he really is hurting bad. I absolutely love it

That's the magic with this great song. I love that line "maybe i love you but not like i did before" and the most beautiful and painful one " and if i don't find somebody, somebody will find me".

Note: Pardon me if i didn't get the lyrics right, i just wrote them off the top of my head.

NorthC said:

Allright, so it's been a few months since we finally heard this legendary "lost" song and we've had time to listen to it, let it sink in, digest it... So what does everybody think about it now? Is it really as great as legend made it out to be? Maybe not, but I'm really enjoying it: the maladida chorus, the storytelling, the heartbreak, the horns, it has this old fashioned feel to it, like a black & white movie with Bogart & Bacall...

not for me but then i only listened to it a couple times, it doesn't top songs like avalanche for me which struck me dead when i first heard it. it's not like that.

also, i gotta say, i doubted susan rogers' taste when she raved about condition of the heart, i never thought of it as one of prince's a songs, meaning, i wouldn't put it with when doves cry, little red corvette, she's always in my hair etc.., etc..,

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PeteSilas said:

NorthC said:

Allright, so it's been a few months since we finally heard this legendary "lost" song and we've had time to listen to it, let it sink in, digest it... So what does everybody think about it now? Is it really as great as legend made it out to be? Maybe not, but I'm really enjoying it: the maladida chorus, the storytelling, the heartbreak, the horns, it has this old fashioned feel to it, like a black & white movie with Bogart & Bacall...

not for me but then i only listened to it a couple times, it doesn't top songs like avalanche for me which struck me dead when i first heard it. it's not like that.

also, i gotta say, i doubted susan rogers' taste when she raved about condition of the heart, i never thought of it as one of prince's a songs, meaning, i wouldn't put it with when doves cry, little red corvette, she's always in my hair etc.., etc..,

[Edited 10/4/17 14:27pm]

People value different things in music, especially Prince given all his different sides. I happen to agree with Susan about Wally and Condition of the Heart, in part because they highlight a vulnerability in Prince that he didn't show often. I don't think these songs are necessarily better musically than many other songs, but I really connect to Prince in the songs because he is revealing a side of him that he normally doesn't. I am sure for some folks this just is something that is as important to them as to me. It he was super vulenerable in all of his music, I might be drawn to a song that exuded more confidence. I just like to experience the full spectrum of my favorite people. Those songs add an important layer of Prince to me.

i think part of it is susan being a woman too, i know from my own music, women tend to really love the ballads even though I really don't think they are that good, a ballad would be more to a womans liking than say, a song like cream or my name is prince or something.

gandorb said:

PeteSilas said:

not for me but then i only listened to it a couple times, it doesn't top songs like avalanche for me which struck me dead when i first heard it. it's not like that.

also, i gotta say, i doubted susan rogers' taste when she raved about condition of the heart, i never thought of it as one of prince's a songs, meaning, i wouldn't put it with when doves cry, little red corvette, she's always in my hair etc.., etc..,

[Edited 10/4/17 14:27pm]

People value different things in music, especially Prince given all his different sides. I happen to agree with Susan about Wally and Condition of the Heart, in part because they highlight a vulnerability in Prince that he didn't show often. I don't think these songs are necessarily better musically than many other songs, but I really connect to Prince in the songs because he is revealing a side of him that he normally doesn't. I am sure for some folks this just is something that is as important to them as to me. It he was super vulenerable in all of his music, I might be drawn to a song that exuded more confidence. I just like to experience the full spectrum of my favorite people. Those songs add an important layer of Prince to me.

PeteSilas said:

i think part of it is susan being a woman too, i know from my own music, women tend to really love the ballads even though I really don't think they are that good, a ballad would be more to a womans liking than say, a song like cream or my name is prince or something.

gandorb said:

People value different things in music, especially Prince given all his different sides. I happen to agree with Susan about Wally and Condition of the Heart, in part because they highlight a vulnerability in Prince that he didn't show often. I don't think these songs are necessarily better musically than many other songs, but I really connect to Prince in the songs because he is revealing a side of him that he normally doesn't. I am sure for some folks this just is something that is as important to them as to me. It he was super vulenerable in all of his music, I might be drawn to a song that exuded more confidence. I just like to experience the full spectrum of my favorite people. Those songs add an important layer of Prince to me.

hmmmm

I think that depends on the actual words and intent of the song.

A lot of guys also put themselves in the place of the man/Prince as he sings it to the object of his affection or desire.

Is Wally a ballad? I never took it that way.

I don't see it as a romantic - ballad. I see it more along the lines of Condition of the Heart or Old Friends 4 Sale or even Hello.

I think Wally is great. It's all good, and then when it get's to... "It's too late for sympathy, whatever will be will be..." Just pure brilliance. The lyrics are vulnerable, and the vocals are pure gold. "What am I gonna do? She was the only one in the whole world that I could talk to..."

I really like the guitar in the last portion of the song. I wish it was in better quality to really appreciate it, but I have my imagination to rely on based on what I can hear.

One thing that occured to me, maybe it was already discussed, or was obvious to everyone else.

In the Sign O The Times movie, during "I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man", Cat turns to Wally and say "Wally, what am I gonna do?" This whole scenario seems to be an angle of the story Prince was trying to tell in "Wally", at least partially. Only after hearing Wally a few times I realized that this movie scene is related (I my opinion, anyways).

Y'all got one thing right, for sure! Old Friends 4 Sale 1985 and Old Friends 4 Sale 1991 are fucking leagues apart. The 85 version is poignant as hell and that bullshit from 91 reaks because it isn't as personal and is more doing a song for the sake of doing a song.

I haven't heard Wally in quite a while. So, I can't help you there. I'll listen to it and tell you what I think.

In my book "Wally" is simply a good P song.

It didn't stand up to the expectations I had according to his legendary status.

But it was unfair to expect this.

Takin' it for his artistical merits, avoiding the "legend affair", I strongly think it is inferior to many other P's track officially released.

I would not jump away any studio SOTT track to let room for "Wally", to give an example.

Just mt 2 cents.

BoraBora said:

In my book "Wally" is simply a good P song.

It didn't stand up to the expectations I had according to his legendary status.

But it was unfair to expect this.

Takin' it for his artistical merits, avoiding the "legend affair", I strongly think it is inferior to many other P's track officially released.

I would not jump away any studio SOTT track to let room for "Wally", to give an example.

Just mt 2 cents.

mmm, the legend is probably better than the song, but it's still a really strong song.

I wonder if a lost version actually exists or ever existed or if the facts have just gotten confused over the years.

databank said:

After 25 years of Billy's Glasses, I'll never be able to take Wally seriously, no matter what. IDK what I'd think of it if I'd never heard Billy's Glasses, but to me it's just as if the most serious, dramatic song appeared but were based on Cloreen Bacon Skin. I can't possibly take it seriously, and believe me I've tried

Great song! Together with Adonis&Bathsheba this is a gem from the vault that proves he was really on to something in the post-Revolution days.

NorthC said:

databank said:

After 25 years of Billy's Glasses, I'll never be able to take Wally seriously, no matter what. IDK what I'd think of it if I'd never heard Billy's Glasses, but to me it's just as if the most serious, dramatic song appeared but were based on Cloreen Bacon Skin. I can't possibly take it seriously, and believe me I've tried

Cloreen... Can I have some of that bacon... That's the juiciest bacon I've ever seen Can I have some? I'm going out to dinner with a vegetarian 2nite & I just wanna have some meat... Damn! We could write a new song here!

Great version.

paulludvig said:

Great song! Together with Adonis&Bathsheba this is a gem from the vault that proves he was really on to something in the post-Revolution days.

really?

Adonis & Bathsheba is an unreleased track recorded on 27 July 1986 at Prince's Galpin Blvd Home Studio (the day after The Ball, three days before the release of a 12" single of Anotherloverholenyohead).