any way you cut it, losing someone you love and care about, even someone as difficult and completely unaware of me as prince was is hard. I lost a close friend from my tribe and it's been killing me all week, the sense of loss, so much knowledge and wisdom right out the window, and in my case, lots and lots of guilt as we had a falling out. Life, all things considered, just make you wonder, what the fuck is it all about?

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

I heard the coroner say he wasn't a longtime fentanyl user, for whatever that's worth.

The ME said no they did not fine that he was user of Fentenyl. None was in his system from prior test by Dr. S the day before. All was in his system the night before.

that's sounds about right, i couldn't remember the exact words, thanks laura.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

I heard the coroner say he wasn't a longtime fentanyl user, for whatever that's worth.

The ME said no they did not fine that he was user of Fentenyl. None was in his system from prior test by Dr. S the day before. All was in his system the night before.

There is so much information out there Laura.

Some of which I missed.

Do you have a link?

I am just trying to reboot.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

If he wasn't addicted, he wouldn't have been buying them off the street.

You have way of knowing that. You do not even know he brought these off the street as we have not even seen proof of that. We have dozens of people who looked in his face and thousands who saw him perform who saying this guy was not strung out. I am sorry something caused things to sprial out of control the last two weeks of his life and do not believe it is all related to addiction. Realize the tabloids would pay big dollars just to get a few people to go on record and say he was high out of his mind. Yet we have not one person as piped up. You realize that estates can not sue for defamation. So were are the drug stories? Does anyone fine it strange that someone can be abusing drugs supposedly for years and not one associate is running their mouth about now?

Have you forgotten his second wife, YEARS AGO, comparing Prince to Charlie Sheen at the time when Sheen was out of his mind on drugs 24/7? Don't you think she would have had a front row seat? She knew.

When it comes to enablers, she was ground zero...she ran to another brother and let Prince spiral down.AND, she got some bucks even though she was running around with Eric...because HER KNOWLEDGE/PROOF of Prince's drug use was her ace in the hole.

If she had a soul, she would have blown the story sky high, risked getting fewer bucks, to give him and those who really loved him a shot at saving his life.

PeteSilas said:

any way you cut it, losing someone you love and care about, even someone as difficult and completely unaware of me as prince was is hard. I lost a close friend from my tribe and it's been killing me all week, the sense of loss, so much knowledge and wisdom right out the window, and in my case, lots and lots of guilt as we had a falling out. Life, all things considered, just make you wonder, what the fuck is it all about?

Pete, I know I am not alone here in sharing my condolances at your loss and sending you peaceful and comforting vibes.

Bodhi , that sounds right to me...she basically blackmailed him...watch out Eric!!!~!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: You have way of knowing that. You do not even know he brought these off the street as we have not even seen proof of that. We have dozens of people who looked in his face and thousands who saw him perform who saying this guy was not strung out. I am sorry something caused things to sprial out of control the last two weeks of his life and do not believe it is all related to addiction. Realize the tabloids would pay big dollars just to get a few people to go on record and say he was high out of his mind. Yet we have not one person as piped up. You realize that estates can not sue for defamation. So were are the drug stories? Does anyone fine it strange that someone can be abusing drugs supposedly for years and not one associate is running their mouth about now?

Have you forgotten his second wife, YEARS AGO, comparing Prince to Charlie Sheen at the time when Sheen was out of his mind on drugs 24/7? Don't you think she would have had a front row seat? She knew.

When it comes to enablers, she was ground zero...she ran to another brother and let Prince spiral down.AND, she got some bucks even though she was running around with Eric...because HER KNOWLEDGE/PROOF of Prince's drug use was her ace in the hole.

If she had a soul, she would have blown the story sky high, risked getting fewer bucks, to give him and those who really loved him a shot at saving his life.

Maybe, I didnt know quite how to read that at the time, was she saying he had a drug probelm? a mental problem? Cuz Charlie was a mess. Also, since when was prince manic, wild, open, or even honest in an interview session? Charlie wore his heart on his sleeve, Prince hid alll his cards all the time unless he wanted to show something. Just a strange statement. I remember at the time, recalling a quote from Wendy from a book where she said that when they worked together that he had a "problem" and didn't say much more about it other than that it wouldn't get better as he got older. I thought at that time that she may have referred to prince being Manic Depressive which I always thought was a good possibility given his freakish work habits.

anyway, if whatsherface had done that, it might have helped but it certainly would have made her enemies with the fans. we know this because shortly before elvis died, 3 of his men wrote an infamous memoir about his drug use and no one ever forgave them. 2 of those men just died recently and i don't think the fans ever really forgave them. I'm sure they felt some guilt too.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PeteSilas said:

any way you cut it, losing someone you love and care about, even someone as difficult and completely unaware of me as prince was is hard. I lost a close friend from my tribe and it's been killing me all week, the sense of loss, so much knowledge and wisdom right out the window, and in my case, lots and lots of guilt as we had a falling out. Life, all things considered, just make you wonder, what the fuck is it all about?

Pete, I know I am not alone here in sharing my condolances at your loss and sending you peaceful and comforting vibes.

thank you Bodhi.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Good point. If Manuela really wanted more money she would have used his drug addiction as blackmail.. I think she was just talking about general enablers and maybe some suspicions of him popping pills that showed up in articles online around 2009.

laurarichardson said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Have you forgotten his second wife, YEARS AGO, comparing Prince to Charlie Sheen at the time when Sheen was out of his mind on drugs 24/7? Don't you think she would have had a front row seat? She knew.

When it comes to enablers, she was ground zero...she ran to another brother and let Prince spiral down.AND, she got some bucks even though she was running around with Eric...because HER KNOWLEDGE/PROOF of Prince's drug use was her ace in the hole.

If she had a soul, she would have blown the story sky high, risked getting fewer bucks, to give him and those who really loved him a shot at saving his life.

If his second wife wanted to use drug use as leverage she would have mentioned it in the divorce papers. It is not in the divorce papers and she could have leaked info to the media to put the screws to him. She did nothing of the sort. She received a few measly million when she could have received half of what he earned while they were married did you forget about the Musicoly tour? Did you read the divorce docs she was greedy as hell but she got peanuts. She put that crap on her Facebook after they were divorced and according to Dr. Funkenberry Prince stopped speaking to this women so how would she have known what he doing as we have no stories of Prince going on any public rants. The AEG live people says he was a dream to work with. No one wants to work with anyone exhibiting Charlie Sheen like behavior because you saw what happened to Charlie' s carreer. The drug lifestyle and stories are just not popping up and I am not sure why you would take the word of a women who changed religion to marry her celebrity crush, sleep with a married man, and dropped that religion and man as soon as it was convinent. She once said in a interview the best thing about the marriage was that she got a business out it. I do not take that cold bitch seriously.

or maybe she had informants telling her what was happening, wasn't that about the time when that story of the insider came out who said he was popping pills like candy?

He was probably taking some pain pills while she was around. but I doubt it was out of hand because it would have popped up in the divorce papers and she could have used it to get more money. As for what Wendy said, the fact that she implied it would get worse when he GOT OLDER, makes it seem like a mental/emotional issue rather than an addiction. I once started a thread about P possibly having bipolar disorder (otherwise known as manic depression). I still think its possible..

PeteSilas said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Have you forgotten his second wife, YEARS AGO, comparing Prince to Charlie Sheen at the time when Sheen was out of his mind on drugs 24/7? Don't you think she would have had a front row seat? She knew.

When it comes to enablers, she was ground zero...she ran to another brother and let Prince spiral down.AND, she got some bucks even though she was running around with Eric...because HER KNOWLEDGE/PROOF of Prince's drug use was her ace in the hole.

If she had a soul, she would have blown the story sky high, risked getting fewer bucks, to give him and those who really loved him a shot at saving his life.

Maybe, I didnt know quite how to read that at the time, was she saying he had a drug probelm? a mental problem? Cuz Charlie was a mess. Also, since when was prince manic, wild, open, or even honest in an interview session? Charlie wore his heart on his sleeve, Prince hid alll his cards all the time unless he wanted to show something. Just a strange statement. I remember at the time, recalling a quote from Wendy from a book where she said that when they worked together that he had a "problem" and didn't say much more about it other than that it wouldn't get better as he got older. I thought at that time that she may have referred to prince being Manic Depressive which I always thought was a good possibility given his freakish work habits.

anyway, if whatsherface had done that, it might have helped but it certainly would have made her enemies with the fans. we know this because shortly before elvis died, 3 of his men wrote an infamous memoir about his drug use and no one ever forgave them. 2 of those men just died recently and i don't think the fans ever really forgave them. I'm sure they felt some guilt too.

laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

I don't believe that he committed suicide and I don't believe he faked his own death.

I have a hard enough time trying to wrap my head around the fact that he was intentionally killed.

However after reaching out to my friends in the medical profession and to my classmates in law enforcement the levels found in his system are 200 times higher than normal Fentanyl OD deaths.

That's why the DEA went into PP. They had never seen those levels before and wanted to know where they came from.

Then I started reseaching the covert use of Fentanyl and discovered it was used in political assassinations for at least 50 years. Before the medicinal use of Fentanyl became widespread people who were assassinated by this method was assumed to have died via heart failure.

I was 60-65% sure it was suicide before it was revealed how much fentanyl was found in his bloodstream. Now I'm 80% sure he chose to go. Occam's Razor again, I'm afraid. Suicide far far more likely than homicide, which is closer to 0%.

PeteSilas said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

MuleFunk, are you an Abigail believer?

Where did you get facts that there was no Fentanyl in Ps system prior to 4/21/16?

I heard the coroner say he wasn't a longtime fentanyl user, for whatever that's worth.

No I am not an Abigail believer and I don't think I know who that is.

I have been following this since day one. I know who leaked information to TMZ and I know who contacted Padden from CNN.

See what most of you know from this story is what came from CNN and the Star Tribune.

They at first said he died from Percocet overdose until the Fentanyl appeared. This started the abuse storyline which is simply not true. Was he using pain medication ??? Yes , however this was not using pain meds to get high. The problem is in the Vicodin counterfeit pills.

it's crazy listening to his last show, hearing him so accessible, so good, terrific performance, the audience bathed him in love. If it was suicide, i tend to think he had logical rather than emotional reasons for it. He definitely does not sound diminished in any way, in fact he sounds as good or better in that performance than ever. This isn't Elvis forgetting lyrics or Michael who at times looked lost and foolish in the this is it footage. Hell, I've been playing for years, ever since he first inspired me and I still can't even approach the quality of those performances, still had so much more than just about anyone else in the field. So what, he couldn't hop around, I'd have loved to see him stop touring all together, maybe even get more into film in a ore serious organized way than he did before, produce younger acts at PP. I hate to think that he thought there was nothing more to do as he supposedly implied to Tyka, it's music and the arts, there are always new mountains to climb, always.

I know. The Piano and Microphone tour is a perplexing and at times overwhelming experience. At times, when I am listening to the audio, it inspires me because it seems to reveal how even in the crux of pain/suffering, performers can find light and joy on stage. Its sad as hell because I remember that he would be dead soon thereafter and what a waste it was. The only Prince poster I have in my house is a framed 11X17 poster of this....

PeteSilas said:

it's crazy listening to his last show, hearing him so accessible, so good, terrific performance, the audience bathed him in love. If it was suicide, i tend to think he had logical rather than emotional reasons for it. He definitely does not sound diminished in any way, in fact he sounds as good or better in that performance than ever. This isn't Elvis forgetting lyrics or Michael who at times looked lost and foolish in the this is it footage. Hell, I've been playing for years, ever since he first inspired me and I still can't even approach the quality of those performances, still had so much more than just about anyone else in the field. So what, he couldn't hop around, I'd have loved to see him stop touring all together, maybe even get more into film in a ore serious organized way than he did before, produce younger acts at PP. I hate to think that he thought there was nothing more to do as he supposedly implied to Tyka, it's music and the arts, there are always new mountains to climb, always.

PeteSilas said:

it's crazy listening to his last show, hearing him so accessible, so good, terrific performance, the audience bathed him in love. If it was suicide, i tend to think he had logical rather than emotional reasons for it. He definitely does not sound diminished in any way, in fact he sounds as good or better in that performance than ever. This isn't Elvis forgetting lyrics or Michael who at times looked lost and foolish in the this is it footage. Hell, I've been playing for years, ever since he first inspired me and I still can't even approach the quality of those performances, still had so much more than just about anyone else in the field. So what, he couldn't hop around, I'd have loved to see him stop touring all together, maybe even get more into film in a ore serious organized way than he did before, produce younger acts at PP. I hate to think that he thought there was nothing more to do as he supposedly implied to Tyka, it's music and the arts, there are always new mountains to climb, always.

There are always new things to do, no matter what narrow confines some people's brains inhabit. I think Prince was intelligent enough to always try new avenues, non-musical. Having said that, I think for someone as prolific as him musically- and living to what would be a good age in any other century- (let's face it, at age 57 he must have covered everything) it probably posed a problem if he couldn't do new, exceptional music anymore.

He may have done a song a day, as he implied on the Oprah show, and if you're that prolific it's only a matter of time before you start repeating yourself.

Who leaked the info to TMZ and who contacted CNN?

muleFunk said:

PeteSilas said:

I heard the coroner say he wasn't a longtime fentanyl user, for whatever that's worth.

No I am not an Abigail believer and I don't think I know who that is.

I have been following this since day one. I know who leaked information to TMZ and I know who contacted Padden from CNN.

See what most of you know from this story is what came from CNN and the Star Tribune.

They at first said he died from Percocet overdose until the Fentanyl appeared. This started the abuse storyline which is simply not true. Was he using pain medication ??? Yes , however this was not using pain meds to get high. The problem is in the Vicodin counterfeit pills.

I will not release this until the book is finished.

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

I don't believe that he committed suicide and I don't believe he faked his own death.

I have a hard enough time trying to wrap my head around the fact that he was intentionally killed.

However after reaching out to my friends in the medical profession and to my classmates in law enforcement the levels found in his system are 200 times higher than normal Fentanyl OD deaths.

That's why the DEA went into PP. They had never seen those levels before and wanted to know where they came from.

Then I started reseaching the covert use of Fentanyl and discovered it was used in political assassinations for at least 50 years. Before the medicinal use of Fentanyl became widespread people who were assassinated by this method was assumed to have died via heart failure.

I was 60-65% sure it was suicide before it was revealed how much fentanyl was found in his bloodstream. Now I'm 80% sure he chose to go. Occam's Razor again, I'm afraid. Suicide far far more likely than homicide, which is closer to 0%.

Quite the opposite.

Using Occum's Razor in a situation like this leaves you with a flawed result.

The levels of Fentanyl in his system would have probably killed whoever TOUCHED the pills less alone injested them.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Folks who have gimped around and compensated for hip / knee / joint pain forever, and then had full replacements, are often troubled by WTF took them so long (other than their own stubbornness) to get to this better solution and much easier recovery. Just sayin'. Wish he and those who were supposedly "so brave, forward thinking, and risk-takey" would've given top-notch medical science a timely and proper shot. But, No.

[Edited 9/24/17 7:44am]

B/c he was a know it all, with a huge ego, vanity issues, minimal education in the biomedical engineering department, fear, and incredily sub-par, ill-educated handlers/advisors on all fronts who failed to effectively maneuver for his best interests.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said: Hip replacement surgery has a very high success rate in regards to quality of life and pain reduction, with lots of patients reverting to normal life, exercise and endurance. His problem must have been other than hips, as I can not imagine not having the full hip surgery, especially if you are as young as he was and living with intractable pain. If it was his hips why didn't he correct it and be done with it? It has been stated many times it was not against his religion, so I don't get it?

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StopIt said:

B/c he was a know it all, with a huge ego, vanity issues, minimal education in the biomedical engineering department, fear, and incredily sub-par, ill-educated handlers/advisors on all fronts who failed to effectively maneuver for his best interests.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

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I have met my match...I think I'm in love

muleFunk said:

I will not release this until the book is finished.

What book?

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

I will not release this until the book is finished.

What book?

Evil Incorporated: The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

What book?

Evil Incorporated: The Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

When is this book being completed/published?

I'm shooting for 2019.