Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mumio said:

Interesting to say the least.

You've just outed yourself thatwhitedude No surprises though, brand new posters to the org who are overly familiar right away always out themselves like that.

Bye now

I outed myself? AS what?

Don't worry about it. She ALWAYS thinks somebody is somebody else. That's her escape method.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

—She said he told her he had did everything he wanted to do. That sounds like I am good with my accomplishments it does negate her other comment which was a direct response to a question. Just keep pretending she knew two years ahead he was going to die of a drug overdose. Just keep pretending someone is going to call you and “he is gone” like it was known that he was going to be gone. Ignore the chef’s who say they were lied to about his health. Ignore the two dozen people who looked in his face and told you he was not high out of his ass.

I NEVER said he knew he was dying in two years because of pills. What he told her could also mean that he could retire now that he done everything that's possible!!

That's the way I took his statement also.

No shame needed about posting his dix pix - sorry, but he did want them out there and like you said (and I totally agree with) used them for his totally created stage persona (front)...and I do agree with you that he could not/would not live with the stigma that drug use (legal or illegal) would bring - at least not until he could spin a narrative around it. He knew that there was buzz about the plane incident - he made obvious efforts to appear OK, which meant that he wasn't. He was a private man and didn't want his dirty laundry exposed - who would? If you think about it, most of us do the same thing.

But - please don't try to shame anybody for posting the various dic pics on the internet. For some of us, yes mainly women, this is also a part of him that we do miss.

Personally, I believe he used meds, it was simply the culture back in the day. I know because I from that time frame myself. I would not be surprised or disappointed if he did continue for various reason. If so, it was because he was in better control of it (and overall everything else in his life) and I do believe that he had Yes people to facilitate that and other "vices" (drugs, drink, sex, religion, etc). From the very beginning the first thought that came to mind when I heard he crossed was that it was suicide. I truly hope it wasn't because he was worth so much more than just music, sex and the like - he was a valuable human being - just like each and every one of us here on this board and on other boards (LSA = NinaB, NurseV, TessB, etc).

Now that we are 1.5 years away from it, I believe it was an accident. I will not completely dismiss that he may have been taken out - but for now, to me, it was an accident.

It is truly disheartening that ANYBODY would kill themselves over the shame of not living up to their image or perceived image - nobody is above those feelings and he was no different than any one of us. I am sure he felt desperation, loneliness, everything but for some reason he didn't feel comfortable or safe to truly confide in anybody. If there is a sin in this story - it is just that.

Whether the tox results are legit we won't know (for now) because they have not been released. A lot of the speculation and fighting could be eliminated if the family would release the full autopsy report (which they are not obligated to do)but the end point is the same. He is physically gone and we are all still reeling in it - various stages - but we are all united in that fact.

Perhaps the better thing to do is to turn our energies into helping others in similar situations, whether they are struggling with dependency, self esteem issues, disabilities, self expression, etc. Just by telling our own stories, alongside with what we have learned from him as a musician/artist but also what we have learned on our own about what we feel/speculate happened to him - that we can somehow help another human not repeat our mistakes but also extend a hand to avoid what (we feel) happened to him.

Do NOT for one minute try to say that what happened to Prince was caused by his fans. How would you know? You clearly aren't a fan.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Mumio said:

Do NOT for one minute try to say that what happened to Prince was caused by his fans. How would you know? You clearly aren't a fan.

[Edited 10/21/17 13:44pm]

What is a 'fan' Mumio? Someone like you who has posted more graphic dick-pix of Prince than any other Org. member? Is reducing the perception of Prince's body to a support system for his penis being a true-blue fan? Is that 'love'?...or is your obsession more pathetic and sexually twisted? Get a life.

[Edited 10/21/17 20:52pm]

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

He or she didn't say it was the Fans fault, he or she simply stated that the shame kept him from seeking help! Because some people would judge no matter what! And some fans really look for other reasons just to comfort themselves, because they say: "It would be easier, if this or that was the reason."

It has nothing to do with shame he could have gone into rehab anywhere in this world and no one would have been the wiser. No reason to go in rehab if you are dying. Some of you are clueless about a doctor bringing you test results when the doctor was not even treating you for addiction in the first place.

I'm not going to let that irrationality pass. A lot of what stops people with drug dependence/addiction issues getting help is precisely shame. Most normal people on here would acknowledge P was a very proud person. I mean, wouldn't you be if you were P? So, therefore, what runs contrary to pride? Yup you may have guessed... shame. And, bearing in mind, P had drug dependence/addiction issues for at the very least a good few months, why the hesitancy to get help? There was a rehab clinic, right nearby in Minny. Oh yeah, those autonyms again... pride and shame.

So let's be rational, not clueless here. We have NO REAL idea what those blood test results were about. There are SO MANY things that can be tested in the blood. Regardless of what was being tested in his blood, though, what cannot be denied is, here is a person IN NEED of rehab, whether you LR are comfortable with that or not.

Occam's Razor determines P didn't have a terminal illness, but was unwell from drug dependence - and this had nothing to do with doctors' prescriptions, because he was not suffering from any disease.

fortuneandserendipity said:

SpinsterSister said:

No shame needed about posting his dix pix - sorry, but he did want them out there and like you said (and I totally agree with) used them for his totally created stage persona (front)...and I do agree with you that he could not/would not live with the stigma that drug use (legal or illegal) would bring - at least not until he could spin a narrative around it. He knew that there was buzz about the plane incident - he made obvious efforts to appear OK, which meant that he wasn't. He was a private man and didn't want his dirty laundry exposed - who would? If you think about it, most of us do the same thing.

But - please don't try to shame anybody for posting the various dic pics on the internet. For some of us, yes mainly women, this is also a part of him that we do miss.

Personally, I believe he used meds, it was simply the culture back in the day. I know because I from that time frame myself. I would not be surprised or disappointed if he did continue for various reason. If so, it was because he was in better control of it (and overall everything else in his life) and I do believe that he had Yes people to facilitate that and other "vices" (drugs, drink, sex, religion, etc). From the very beginning the first thought that came to mind when I heard he crossed was that it was suicide. I truly hope it wasn't because he was worth so much more than just music, sex and the like - he was a valuable human being - just like each and every one of us here on this board and on other boards (LSA = NinaB, NurseV, TessB, etc).

Now that we are 1.5 years away from it, I believe it was an accident. I will not completely dismiss that he may have been taken out - but for now, to me, it was an accident.

It is truly disheartening that ANYBODY would kill themselves over the shame of not living up to their image or perceived image - nobody is above those feelings and he was no different than any one of us. I am sure he felt desperation, loneliness, everything but for some reason he didn't feel comfortable or safe to truly confide in anybody. If there is a sin in this story - it is just that.

Whether the tox results are legit we won't know (for now) because they have not been released. A lot of the speculation and fighting could be eliminated if the family would release the full autopsy report (which they are not obligated to do)but the end point is the same. He is physically gone and we are all still reeling in it - various stages - but we are all united in that fact.

Perhaps the better thing to do is to turn our energies into helping others in similar situations, whether they are struggling with dependency, self esteem issues, disabilities, self expression, etc. Just by telling our own stories, alongside with what we have learned from him as a musician/artist but also what we have learned on our own about what we feel/speculate happened to him - that we can somehow help another human not repeat our mistakes but also extend a hand to avoid what (we feel) happened to him.

Do NOT for one minute try to say that what happened to Prince was caused by his fans. How would you know? You clearly aren't a fan.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

What is a 'fan' Mumio? Someone like you who has posted more graphic dick-pix of Prince than any other Org. member? Is reducing the perception of Prince's body to a support system for his penis being a true-blue fan? Is that 'love'?...or is your obsession more pathetic and sexually twisted? Get a life.

[Edited 10/21/17 20:52pm]

so beautifully put, so heartfelt, so eloquent, so classy, so true

SpinsterSister said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said: It has nothing to do with shame he could have gone into rehab anywhere in this world and no one would have been the wiser. No reason to go in rehab if you are dying. Some of you are clueless about a doctor bringing you test results when the doctor was not even treating you for addiction in the first place.

I'm not going to let that irrationality pass. A lot of what stops people with drug dependence/addiction issues getting help is precisely shame. Most normal people on here would acknowledge P was a very proud person. I mean, wouldn't you be if you were P? So, therefore, what runs contrary to pride? Yup you may have guessed... shame. And, bearing in mind, P had drug dependence/addiction issues for at the very least a good few months, why the hesitancy to get help? There was a rehab clinic, right nearby in Minny. Oh yeah, those autonyms again... pride and shame.

So let's be rational, not clueless here. We have NO REAL idea what those blood test results were about. There are SO MANY things that can be tested in the blood. Regardless of what was being tested in his blood, though, what cannot be denied is, here is a person IN NEED of rehab, whether you LR are comfortable with that or not.

Occam's Razor determines P didn't have a terminal illness, but was unwell from drug dependence - and this had nothing to do with doctors' prescriptions, because he was not suffering from any disease.

They don't want to hear it. LR thinks she's gonna hook up with Prince in the afterlife and he's gonna give her a special t-shirt for her non-stop, rah-rah denial.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I'm not going to let that irrationality pass. A lot of what stops people with drug dependence/addiction issues getting help is precisely shame. Most normal people on here would acknowledge P was a very proud person. I mean, wouldn't you be if you were P? So, therefore, what runs contrary to pride? Yup you may have guessed... shame. And, bearing in mind, P had drug dependence/addiction issues for at the very least a good few months, why the hesitancy to get help? There was a rehab clinic, right nearby in Minny. Oh yeah, those autonyms again... pride and shame.

So let's be rational, not clueless here. We have NO REAL idea what those blood test results were about. There are SO MANY things that can be tested in the blood. Regardless of what was being tested in his blood, though, what cannot be denied is, here is a person IN NEED of rehab, whether you LR are comfortable with that or not.

Occam's Razor determines P didn't have a terminal illness, but was unwell from drug dependence - and this had nothing to do with doctors' prescriptions, because he was not suffering from any disease.

—You do not have access to his medical file so who is being irrational. There is a Hugh chunk of info you do not have so you are wrong. I have some info you do not have. Have a good day and learn to stop believing everything you read in the media and know when you are missed directed.

Then shouldn't you be on the bus with MuleFunk?

I love to hear people use the term Occam's Razor to explain things that happen in life.

I hear you LauraRichardson, and I agree too that it would be easy to go private clinic and not have any buzz around it. But there was no guarantee that he could pull that off, especially in this age of electronic everything. He knew there was a price on his head plus, I think - the simple idea that he admitted to somebody that he had a major issue that he was not in control of, may have messed with his mind. I know it does me.

The idea of suicide was an immediate reaction to the news, but upon closer introspection, I believe it was an accident. I will not discount M. I am hoping accident. He didn't look well for around a year or so, whether it was from terminal illness - who knows? Perhaps it was - but it could also be the culminitive effects of usage. Possible but again, we won't know. Maybe at this stage - it is better that we don't know.

Of course this is all speculation on my end. I have followed up only to a certain point and am really relying on you, Mumio, Bodhi, and the many others who keep investigating, asking questions and yes, even fight, over what was heard, read or released.

I learn from all of you all and am glad to hear of the different opinions because I learn new tangents and it does help to see him more as a human being instead of just "Prince".

laurarichardson said:

SpinsterSister said:

No shame needed about posting his dix pix - sorry, but he did want them out there and like you said (and I totally agree with) used them for his totally created stage persona (front)...and I do agree with you that he could not/would not live with the stigma that drug use (legal or illegal) would bring - at least not until he could spin a narrative around it. He knew that there was buzz about the plane incident - he made obvious efforts to appear OK, which meant that he wasn't. He was a private man and didn't want his dirty laundry exposed - who would? If you think about it, most of us do the same thing.

But - please don't try to shame anybody for posting the various dic pics on the internet. For some of us, yes mainly women, this is also a part of him that we do miss.

Personally, I believe he used meds, it was simply the culture back in the day. I know because I from that time frame myself. I would not be surprised or disappointed if he did continue for various reason. If so, it was because he was in better control of it (and overall everything else in his life) and I do believe that he had Yes people to facilitate that and other "vices" (drugs, drink, sex, religion, etc). From the very beginning the first thought that came to mind when I heard he crossed was that it was suicide. I truly hope it wasn't because he was worth so much more than just music, sex and the like - he was a valuable human being - just like each and every one of us here on this board and on other boards (LSA = NinaB, NurseV, TessB, etc).

Now that we are 1.5 years away from it, I believe it was an accident. I will not completely dismiss that he may have been taken out - but for now, to me, it was an accident.

It is truly disheartening that ANYBODY would kill themselves over the shame of not living up to their image or perceived image - nobody is above those feelings and he was no different than any one of us. I am sure he felt desperation, loneliness, everything but for some reason he didn't feel comfortable or safe to truly confide in anybody. If there is a sin in this story - it is just that.

Whether the tox results are legit we won't know (for now) because they have not been released. A lot of the speculation and fighting could be eliminated if the family would release the full autopsy report (which they are not obligated to do)but the end point is the same. He is physically gone and we are all still reeling in it - various stages - but we are all united in that fact.

Perhaps the better thing to do is to turn our energies into helping others in similar situations, whether they are struggling with dependency, self esteem issues, disabilities, self expression, etc. Just by telling our own stories, alongside with what we have learned from him as a musician/artist but also what we have learned on our own about what we feel/speculate happened to him - that we can somehow help another human not repeat our mistakes but also extend a hand to avoid what (we feel) happened to him.

Do NOT for one minute try to say that what happened to Prince was caused by his fans. How would you know? You clearly aren't a fan.

Why would he kill himself from shame when he could go in rehab without anyone knowing anything about it. Think about it for a minute.

[Edited 10/22/17 18:18pm]

muleFunk said:

I love to hear people use the term Occam's Razor to explain things that happen in life.

And with some it's a constant refrain, isn't it.

Mumio said:

SpinsterSister said:

I learn from all of you all and am glad to hear of the different opinions because I learn new tangents and it does help to see him more as a human being instead of just "Prince".

And just look at that, you are able to do so without running him into the ground and talking shit about him. One of the best people I have become acquainted with here on the org. REAL talk.

PennyPurple said:

Yes, yes. A return to the good ole days . For a minute there, I thought this place had turned into a monastery. We need more of this lest this place turn into that MJ shithole down the street. Bloodshed!

muleFunk said:

laurarichardson said:

—You do not have access to his medical file so who is being irrational. There is a Hugh chunk of info you do not have so you are wrong. I have some info you do not have. Have a good day and learn to stop believing everything you read in the media and know when you are missed directed.

You do not have access to his medical file either, and unless you are family (which you are not) you don't have anymore info then the rest of us.

muleFunk said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yes, I believe that incident was a major break in the narrative thread of his life he had spent his entire career nurturing. There was no coping mechanism in his mind or heart to be 'Prince in rehab for opoid addiction'...it was unthinkable...he wouldn't have survived the shame, shock and despair of being thought of as just another drugged out rock star and his prior preachings and pronoucements against drugs would have been writ large for all to see...casting doubt on many of the other fine and noble things he believed and spoke of. He knew his life as 'Prince' was over.

I believe he never meant the pill use to go on as long as it did. It was something he was going to get a handle on but time was not a " trick"...time was real and it was not on his side. RIP.

[Edited 10/21/17 22:15pm]

[Edited 10/21/17 22:16pm]

How many times does it need to be said that the main did not kill himself?

And how many times have you been told that you are not a luminary?

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

—You do not have access to his medical file so who is being irrational. There is a Hugh chunk of info you do not have so you are wrong. I have some info you do not have. Have a good day and learn to stop believing everything you read in the media and know when you are missed directed.

You do not have access to his medical file either, and unless you are family (which you are not) you don't have anymore info then the rest of us.

I have never said I had access to the medical file and if no one else does why keep saying we are all wrong and their assumptions are right on the money. They have nothing to back up their assumptions other then what the media and police have reported.

There is a hugh chunk of info none of use have including the media so how can anyone who does not have access to that medical record say that Prince had no other issues whatsoever.

They cannot not say that because they have no factual information concerning his overall health.

I do have some info that this poster does not have.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said: I NEVER said he knew he was dying in two years because of pills. What he told her could also mean that he could retire now that he done everything that's possible!!

That's the way I took his statement also.

I'm pretty sure that's what he probably meant. Prince being Prince might have thought of retiring at one point and later just changed his plans.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mumio said:

Interesting to say the least.

You've just outed yourself thatwhitedude No surprises though, brand new posters to the org who are overly familiar right away always out themselves like that.

Bye now

If you thought I am Mayte herself, than I got some dissapointing news for you. Do you believe I'd take the name ThatWhiteDude if I was a beautiful Puerto Rican Lady?

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mumio said:

I think it's fair and true to say that those pictures were out there because he wanted them out there. I certainly am not responsible for them being everywhere on the internet. Because he wanted us to see and enjoy them. And we do and we have been. And we'll continue to do so, even when the prudes come out. I'm not the slightest bit bothered at your attempt to "shame" me, but I'll waste a few moments on you to point out a few facts.


At least I have never come here to run him into the ground at every opportunity like it seems you do with every post you make. Go figure out why you are always so jealous and hateful toward him, that kind of behavior is much more of an obsession to be worried about.

Funny that you claim that about PennyPurple, aren't you one of the people who loves to hate on Mayte? When I look back at some comment you made about her, it seems like an obsession too.

No PennyPurple was never unfair to Mayte! Penny ran the book club and kept the discussions fair and didn't allow haters.... just people who wanted to disucss the book. Not everyone agreed all the time, but we were kind to each other.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

You do not have access to his medical file either, and unless you are family (which you are not) you don't have anymore info then the rest of us.

I have never said I had access to the medical file and if no one else does why keep saying we are all wrong and their assumptions are right on the money. They have nothing to back up their assumptions other then what the media and police have reported.

There is a hugh chunk of info none of use have including the media so how can anyone who does not have access to that medical record say that Prince had no other issues whatsoever.

They cannot not say that because they have no factual information concerning his overall health.

I do have some info that this poster does not have.

You have some Info? Then post it on here, otherwise you're a liar.

[Edited 10/22/17 16:03pm]

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

muleFunk said:

I love to hear people use the term Occam's Razor to explain things that happen in life.

Hickam's Dictum is basically a cautionary tale on a common misunderstanding of Occam's Razor. Occam's Razor says you should favor simple explanations for a given evidence, since p(AB|X) ≤ p(A|X), but this is assuming total ignorance! Complex hypotheses need to work harder to overcome their prior improbability, but it's not like they're forbidden. Sufficient evidence can and should make you update to privilege a complex explanation, if that's indeed where the evidence points. Because the details of princes life and death are complex...Occam's Razor can suck it...o.k. fortuneandserendipity amaze us again with your "critical thinking"...go

It's assessing probability that matters soooo...

Occam's razor