Reply #360 posted 10/02/17 9:33am
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purplerabbithole said: HOw many times do I have to say this...KURT did enable the prescription pills to be used by P...right or wrong. I do not however believe he necessarily had anything to do with the harder illegal drugs. If Kurt gave Prince the bottles of percocet a year and a half or two years before he died (the last year of P's life, Kurt had no registered prescriptions other than the one in Moline) (bottle and all), is he going to go back to a grown man and his boss and say "hey, P, give me back that empty bottle of percocet once you are done with them.., I am afraid you might eventually put some street drugs in them." You can enable up to a point in order help someone to relieve pain or because its your "job" ..it doesn't mean you have enabled Prince to buy dangerous black market pills. You probably think he enabled it the whole way through. I don't necessarily think so. I believe that those pills being in Aleve, vitamin and prescription pills bottles even around a private residence (at which everyone employee signs a NDA) indicates that Prince was hiding them from everyone. Enabling is a complicated thing. Relationships between grown-ass males is a complicated thing. Relationships between grown ass males when one is a boss and an eccentric, secretive rock star is even more complicated. But assuming that a man with 30 years of friendship with P (who saved his life ona a plane, was seeking out treatment and took him to get medicine to help his withdrawal symptoms) was not trying to find a balance between respecting his strong-willed boss's decisions for himself and looking out for his strong-willed boss (whilst still remaining in his job and thus in his life) is a bit unfair (to both P and KJ)> . I would like to hear his justification....but I am not going to assume that Kurt is the equivlaent of Prince's own personal stepin-fetchit just because it fits some rocknroll, celebrity cliche. He made mistakes where P was concerned. But its a tough spot.
laurarichardson said:
All that (to me) points to a guy who didn't know P still had those bottles until after his death.
Or a willing enabler who was too stupid to cover his tracks. At the end of the day he is responsible for those bottles. Now a days you the Rx holder are responsible diposting of remaining medication and not suppose to leave it around as well as getting rid of the bottles.
Prince should not have had any bottles with Kirk's name on them and if Kirk ever picked those bottles up from the Pharmacy it was his responsiblity to keep track of them.
I also am tired of this control freak stuff. What grown ass adult does not want to be in control of their life and business? He was the boss of his world and I do not see him being anymore controling then other people at his level. If things get screwed up it was all going to fall on his head.
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Well, not totally disagreeing Laura (P might have been scared for health because something else was wrong.) but I think you didn't catch what I was saying about Kirk. I do think he gave P pills from his own stash of oxycodone etc in the past and that P still had the bottles. (I say it had to have been from the past because there are no other prescription of KJ's in Minnesota records). One could argue that KJ should not have been doing that, but it doesn't mean he didn't want to help P when shit really hit the fan later on. Probably at one point, P just reused the bottles. Whether he knew about P storing other shit in those bottles is impossible to know but since he left him alone that night after having invested his time in saving his life on a plane, getting him a rehab doctor, taking him to Walgreens for anti-anxiety and anti-nausea medicine, and then later looking for him to find him dead with KJ's own pill bottles laying about (and he didn't even try to dispose of the bottles after the fact) . All that (to me) points to a guy who didn't know P still had those bottles until after his death.
P was a control freak but he was also human. I imagine he was ocassionally unorganized; if P was dealing with illness and a drug problem, he might have lost a bit of the control he was so fond of.
[Edited 10/2/17 9:27am] Kirk had the opportunity on the today show a few months ago to discuss his role, but chose to very rudely shut the questioning down, and made himself look guilty about something |
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Reply #361 posted 10/02/17 9:35am
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
And what about the 45 minutes it took to "find" him in the elevator? Everyone knows he is not well, he lives upstairs and there are only 2 ways down, the stairs or the elevator...does anyone actually believe it took them 45 minutes to look in the elevator? What do you think really went on in those very important and totally undocumented minutes? Something's up with that...
panic maybe, maybe trying to figure out what to do. didn't murray fuck around for a while when MJ od? There are also rumours that Elvis' people held off before they called the ambulance. All cases, they were dead already so people probably were trying to figure out how to handle it. Most of the time in those cases, all drugs are disposed of, in Elvis' case, not a drug to be found. Prince's death is the most surreal and strangest of all of them. |
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Reply #362 posted 10/02/17 9:35am
purplerabbitho le |
Well, I read that he hardly used the elevator so it might have been the last place they looked. Maybe they avoided it because they knew if they found him in there he was probably dead. Maybe the elevator was stuck. Maybe they had trouble getting into the building. Maybe for a moment they thought he had left paisley and started calling out. Maybe, they found him in an embarrassing position, naked or whatever and put his clothes on. WHo knows. Maybe, they spent five minutes of that time trying to revive before they ever called and his people (like the doctor said) were freaking the fuck out for at least five minutes before the "doctor" had enough sense to attempt to revive him and then make the call. ..the "doctor" basically said in the phone conversation that he was a DOA and that his people were traumatized (and in background you can hear crying and screaming) . But there are a hundred things that could have happened that don't necessarily point to murder.
Yes, there is a lot of weird shit that went down with Prince's death. but let's remember Prince's life and personality were weird as well.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
And what about the 45 minutes it took to "find" him in the elevator? Everyone knows he is not well, he lives upstairs and there are only 2 ways down, the stairs or the elevator...does anyone actually believe it took them 45 minutes to look in the elevator? What do you think really went on in those very important and totally undocumented minutes? Something's up with that...
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Reply #363 posted 10/02/17 9:40am
purplerabbitho le |
I agree KJ came off like a fuckhead in that interview..(which is partly why I did hate on KJ earlier this year), but after thinking it through I started to think that KJ could be innocent of what I assumed. KJ;s secrecy does piss me off--but who knows maybe he is still trying to protect P's privacy and dignity, maybe P did kill himself and knew exactly what was in those pills and KJ found out the hard way that P was hoarding that shit in his house. Who knows. Maybe, he mercy-killed Prince. Who knows. But I am not going with a murder-by-indifference-or-by-direct-action assumption until I absolutely have to.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
purplerabbithole said:
HOw many times do I have to say this...KURT did enable the prescription pills to be used by P...right or wrong. I do not however believe he necessarily had anything to do with the harder illegal drugs. If Kurt gave Prince the bottles of percocet a year and a half or two years before he died (the last year of P's life, Kurt had no registered prescriptions other than the one in Moline) (bottle and all), is he going to go back to a grown man and his boss and say "hey, P, give me back that empty bottle of percocet once you are done with them.., I am afraid you might eventually put some street drugs in them." You can enable up to a point in order help someone to relieve pain or because its your "job" ..it doesn't mean you have enabled Prince to buy dangerous black market pills. You probably think he enabled it the whole way through. I don't necessarily think so. I believe that those pills being in Aleve, vitamin and prescription pills bottles even around a private residence (at which everyone employee signs a NDA) indicates that Prince was hiding them from everyone. Enabling is a complicated thing. Relationships between grown-ass males is a complicated thing. Relationships between grown ass males when one is a boss and an eccentric, secretive rock star is even more complicated. But assuming that a man with 30 years of friendship with P (who saved his life ona a plane, was seeking out treatment and took him to get medicine to help his withdrawal symptoms) was not trying to find a balance between respecting his strong-willed boss's decisions for himself and looking out for his strong-willed boss (whilst still remaining in his job and thus in his life) is a bit unfair (to both P and KJ)> . I would like to hear his justification....but I am not going to assume that Kurt is the equivlaent of Prince's own personal stepin-fetchit just because it fits some rocknroll, celebrity cliche. He made mistakes where P was concerned. But its a tough spot.
[Edited 10/2/17 9:27am]
Kirk had the opportunity on the today show a few months ago to discuss his role, but chose to very rudely shut the questioning down, and made himself look guilty about something
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Reply #364 posted 10/02/17 9:41am
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the drugs were still there with KJ's name after 45 minutes...that's a good point.
PeteSilas said:
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
And what about the 45 minutes it took to "find" him in the elevator? Everyone knows he is not well, he lives upstairs and there are only 2 ways down, the stairs or the elevator...does anyone actually believe it took them 45 minutes to look in the elevator? What do you think really went on in those very important and totally undocumented minutes? Something's up with that...
panic maybe, maybe trying to figure out what to do. didn't murray fuck around for a while when MJ od? There are also rumours that Elvis' people held off before they called the ambulance. All cases, they were dead already so people probably were trying to figure out how to handle it. Most of the time in those cases, all drugs are disposed of, in Elvis' case, not a drug to be found. Prince's death is the most surreal and strangest of all of them.
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Reply #365 posted 10/02/17 9:42am
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purplerabbithole said: Well, I read that he hardly used the elevator so it might have been the last place they looked. Maybe they avoided it because they knew if they found him in there he was probably dead. Maybe the elevator was stuck. Maybe they had trouble getting into the building. Maybe for a moment they thought he had left paisley and started calling out. Maybe, they found him in an embarrassing position, naked or whatever and put his clothes on and put him in the elevator (who knows why) WHo knows. Maybe, they spent five minutes of that time trying to revive before they ever called..the doctor basically said in the phone conversation that he was a DOA. But there are a hundred things that could have happened that don't necessarily point to murder. Yes, there is a lot of weird shit that went down with Prince's death. but let's remember Prince's life and personality were weird as well.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: And what about the 45 minutes it took to "find" him in the elevator? Everyone knows he is not well, he lives upstairs and there are only 2 ways down, the stairs or the elevator...does anyone actually believe it took them 45 minutes to look in the elevator? What do you think really went on in those very important and totally undocumented minutes? Something's up with that...
Sorry, you have a sick very weak person living upstairs, the elevator is the first place you look...I have no idea what Merons involvement in any of this was as we have heard very little, but you don't think Kirk and the kid from California, not a doctor, both thought they were going to jail, and were taking a moment to plan their own spin? Every single thing is fishy in some way, and when you pile all those fish together it stinks... |
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Reply #366 posted 10/02/17 9:49am
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We dont really know how much fentanyl P had in his system.
The numbers everyone is referring to came from "sources" and
the information was not officially from the ME or the Sheriff's Department. |
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Reply #367 posted 10/02/17 9:51am
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SpinsterSister said:
purplerabbithole said:
I agree as well. The problem with drugs is that they do sometimes help people feel better... to calm people, to relieve pain etc. Unfortunately, its an affliction that is bound to destroy the abuser but is also really hard to know how to treat due to its immediate benefits (especially where chronic pain and social anxiety are concerned) and the cunning way over-achievers like Prince could hide their addiction through eccentricity and workaholic tendencies. . I do believe at times his vulnerabilities were defintely apparent but they were cryptic and hard to pin down. Another thing occurred to me while re-reading the search warrants. There were only a few ways to get ahold of Prince -- you had to know his private email, had have the contact info of his current staff and have his land line number at his hones. He had no cell phone so if he was traveling and you didn't have one of handler's numbers you werent' gonna get ahold of him. If you (as an former inner circle associate) decided to travel all the way to Paisley, there is no way of knowing if you would get to even talk to him. Would he be in town, would he allow you in, would he give you the run-around if he did? He had to invite you in and if he was too fearful to do so, how do you help him? Sadly, Prince destroyed himself through shame and fear and too much isolation and not enough life outside of music and because his inner circle were clueless about how to help a stubborn, secretive man like himself maintain his dignity and privacy while getting better and finding an emotional, physical and psychological balance at the same time. The privacy and dignity were going to eventually have to take a hit if he was really going to get the help he needed.
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although, I do personally believe that a few in his inner circle had an idea about some of his issues. At least to some point. Whether they were mature enough to recognise and decipher what was truly going on or if they just didn't think any more about it and contributed it to his "uniqueness".
Signals were given - those signals were there all along, from ForYou to his last days. I can empathise with the absolute terror of letting down your multi-layered walls of protection, I just wish he could've found somebody....ANYBODY....who could have worked on him, with him but not for him to get him the help he needed. I don't wish that sort of inner turmoil on anybody but a very chosen few.
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Reply #368 posted 10/02/17 9:52am
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NOt when you can just run up the stairs in 5 seconds. I have not been to Paisley, but its not like he lived in a high-rise apartment. Let's say they get there, they take a few a minutes to get into the door, they run up the stairs and start looking through his room and then they start hoping that P is working somewhere so they run down the stairs and start looking in his recording studio, on his soundstage, in his kitchen etc and meanwhile KJ has to find keys to the different rooms in the place...(remember P doesn't have his own phone and maybe in most cases can't hear his land line when he has got headphones on while listening to recordings) 25 minutes later, they finally decide to look in his little elevator. Maybe the elevator is stuck because P's body is wedged against it. So that takes a few minutes. They finally find him. they proceed to freak the fuck out for a good five minutes after the doctor has checked his pulse and there isn't one. They then decide in a desperate last attempt effort to save him to attempt reviving (waste of time obviously) and that's about five minutes. And they run to his closet to throw some clothes on the man. (the reason teh clothes were on backward)> Then the doctor finally calls. I have about 40 minutes possibly used up there.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
purplerabbithole said:
Well, I read that he hardly used the elevator so it might have been the last place they looked. Maybe they avoided it because they knew if they found him in there he was probably dead. Maybe the elevator was stuck. Maybe they had trouble getting into the building. Maybe for a moment they thought he had left paisley and started calling out. Maybe, they found him in an embarrassing position, naked or whatever and put his clothes on and put him in the elevator (who knows why) WHo knows. Maybe, they spent five minutes of that time trying to revive before they ever called..the doctor basically said in the phone conversation that he was a DOA. But there are a hundred things that could have happened that don't necessarily point to murder.
Yes, there is a lot of weird shit that went down with Prince's death. but let's remember Prince's life and personality were weird as well.
Sorry, you have a sick very weak person living upstairs, the elevator is the first place you look...I have no idea what Merons involvement in any of this was as we have heard very little, but you don't think Kirk and the kid from California, not a doctor, both thought they were going to jail, and were taking a moment to plan their own spin? Every single thing is fishy in some way, and when you pile all those fish together it stinks...
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Reply #369 posted 10/02/17 10:01am
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purplerabbithole said: NOt when you can just run up the stairs in 5 seconds. I have not been to Paisley, but its not like he lived in a high-rise apartment. Let's say they get there, they take a few a minutes to get into the door, they run up the stairs and start looking through his room and then they start hoping that P is working somewhere so they run down the stairs and start looking in his recording studio, on his soundstage, in his kitchen etc...(remember P doesn't have his own phone and maybe can't hear his landline when he has got headphones on while listening to recordings) 25 minutes later, they finally decide to look in his little elevator. Maybe the elevator is stuck because P's body is wedged against it. So that takes a few minutes. They finally find him. they proceed to freak the fuck out for a good five minutes after the doctor has checked his pull and there isn't one. They then decide in a desperate last attempt effort to save him to attempt reviving (waste of time obviously) and that's about five minutes. And they run to his closet to throw some clothes on the man. (the reason teh clothes were on backward)> Then the doctor finally calls. I have about 40 minutes possibly used up there.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: purplerabbithole said:
Well, I read that he hardly used the elevator so it might have been the last place they looked. Maybe they avoided it because they knew if they found him in there he was probably dead. Maybe the elevator was stuck. Maybe they had trouble getting into the building. Maybe for a moment they thought he had left paisley and started calling out. Maybe, they found him in an embarrassing position, naked or whatever and put his clothes on and put him in the elevator (who knows why) WHo knows. Maybe, they spent five minutes of that time trying to revive before they ever called..the doctor basically said in the phone conversation that he was a DOA. But there are a hundred things that could have happened that don't necessarily point to murder.
Yes, there is a lot of weird shit that went down with Prince's death. but let's remember Prince's life and personality were weird as well.
Sorry, you have a sick very weak person living upstairs, the elevator is the first place you look...I have no idea what Merons involvement in any of this was as we have heard very little, but you don't think Kirk and the kid from California, not a doctor, both thought they were going to jail, and were taking a moment to plan their own spin? Every single thing is fishy in some way, and when you pile all those fish together it stinks...
They described him 12 hours earlier in grave physical condition...he lives upstairs...they are there to do a crisis intervention...you really think when they go upstairs and he is not there, they first look in the studio? if that is actually what happened, then one thing we know for sure is the 3 people looking for him were total idiots, and maybe that is the truth... |
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Reply #370 posted 10/02/17 10:02am
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
We dont really know how much fentanyl P had in his system.
The numbers everyone is referring to came from "sources" and
the information was not officially from the ME or the Sheriff's Department.
we don't really 'know' much, everyone seems to hint but not want to stop halfstepping with the shit and really say something. someone a couple weeks ago said that they knew someone who worked on the p/m shows and said it turned into a horror show, nothing more informative or concrete than that, those are the kinds of things we hear, it's surprising that more of these people haven't come out, maybe they just don't want the drama and potential legal problems they'd face if they came out and said anything negative. then we have people who worked for him like his hairdresser who doesn't seem to think he did any drugs and by inference must think there was some sort of foul play. Just bizarre. |
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Reply #371 posted 10/02/17 10:18am
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Well, wasn't Prince riding a frigging bike on the 19th and walking outside the Walgreens the morning of the 20th? they were dealing with a drug addicted man who had probably successfully made it through three to four days of drug-free living. They were worried about him enough to bring the drug rehab guy, but that concern might have been more of a concern for the long term not the short term. Remember Paisley is a 65,000 square foot facility where P could have hid himself in for privacy etc. . if P normally avoided the elevator, they would assume it wouldn't be how he got around. P might have only taken the elevator just because he was having trouble walking once he took the drugs.
IF someone killed him who do you think it was and why? Why after 30 years? WHy now when P is not as much of a lucrative star? Was it by WB for his vault? Was it by KJ over personal reasons or because he was hired by WB or P's family? Was P really that despised by those around him? Could this many people lie about caring about him now? Could P have killed himself and confused the fuck out of those around him--is that so hard to believe? Even MJ wasn't killed over monetary reasons? There are much richer rock stars than PRince.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
purplerabbithole said:
NOt when you can just run up the stairs in 5 seconds. I have not been to Paisley, but its not like he lived in a high-rise apartment. Let's say they get there, they take a few a minutes to get into the door, they run up the stairs and start looking through his room and then they start hoping that P is working somewhere so they run down the stairs and start looking in his recording studio, on his soundstage, in his kitchen etc...(remember P doesn't have his own phone and maybe can't hear his landline when he has got headphones on while listening to recordings) 25 minutes later, they finally decide to look in his little elevator. Maybe the elevator is stuck because P's body is wedged against it. So that takes a few minutes. They finally find him. they proceed to freak the fuck out for a good five minutes after the doctor has checked his pull and there isn't one. They then decide in a desperate last attempt effort to save him to attempt reviving (waste of time obviously) and that's about five minutes. And they run to his closet to throw some clothes on the man. (the reason teh clothes were on backward)> Then the doctor finally calls. I have about 40 minutes possibly used up there.
They described him 12 hours earlier in grave physical condition...he lives upstairs...they are there to do a crisis intervention...you really think when they go upstairs and he is not there, they first look in the studio? if that is actually what happened, then one thing we know for sure is the 3 people looking for him were total idiots, and maybe that is the truth...
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Reply #372 posted 10/02/17 10:20am
purplerabbitho le |
Good point about those sources. I have seen them printed here but I have not seen them officially released. Do we know if they are legit??? because other than on this site, not much (if anything) has been said about them in the press (even in Minnesota)
PeteSilas said:
ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
We dont really know how much fentanyl P had in his system.
The numbers everyone is referring to came from "sources" and
the information was not officially from the ME or the Sheriff's Department.
we don't really 'know' much, everyone seems to hint but not want to stop halfstepping with the shit and really say something. someone a couple weeks ago said that they knew someone who worked on the p/m shows and said it turned into a horror show, nothing more informative or concrete than that, those are the kinds of things we hear, it's surprising that more of these people haven't come out, maybe they just don't want the drama and potential legal problems they'd face if they came out and said anything negative. then we have people who worked for him like his hairdresser who doesn't seem to think he did any drugs and by inference must think there was some sort of foul play. Just bizarre.
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Reply #373 posted 10/02/17 10:25am
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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: purplerabbithole said: NOt when you can just run up the stairs in 5 seconds. I have not been to Paisley, but its not like he lived in a high-rise apartment. Let's say they get there, they take a few a minutes to get into the door, they run up the stairs and start looking through his room and then they start hoping that P is working somewhere so they run down the stairs and start looking in his recording studio, on his soundstage, in his kitchen etc...(remember P doesn't have his own phone and maybe can't hear his landline when he has got headphones on while listening to recordings) 25 minutes later, they finally decide to look in his little elevator. Maybe the elevator is stuck because P's body is wedged against it. So that takes a few minutes. They finally find him. they proceed to freak the fuck out for a good five minutes after the doctor has checked his pull and there isn't one. They then decide in a desperate last attempt effort to save him to attempt reviving (waste of time obviously) and that's about five minutes. And they run to his closet to throw some clothes on the man. (the reason teh clothes were on backward)> Then the doctor finally calls. I have about 40 minutes possibly used up there.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: purplerabbithole said:
Well, I read that he hardly used the elevator so it might have been the last place they looked. Maybe they avoided it because they knew if they found him in there he was probably dead. Maybe the elevator was stuck. Maybe they had trouble getting into the building. Maybe for a moment they thought he had left paisley and started calling out. Maybe, they found him in an embarrassing position, naked or whatever and put his clothes on and put him in the elevator (who knows why) WHo knows. Maybe, they spent five minutes of that time trying to revive before they ever called..the doctor basically said in the phone conversation that he was a DOA. But there are a hundred things that could have happened that don't necessarily point to murder. Yes, there is a lot of weird shit that went down with Prince's death. but let's remember Prince's life and personality were weird as well.
Sorry, you have a sick very weak person living upstairs, the elevator is the first place you look...I have no idea what Merons involvement in any of this was as we have heard very little, but you don't think Kirk and the kid from California, not a doctor, both thought they were going to jail, and were taking a moment to plan their own spin? Every single thing is fishy in some way, and when you pile all those fish together it stinks...
They described him 12 hours earlier in grave physical condition...he lives upstairs...they are there to do a crisis intervention...you really think when they go upstairs and he is not there, they first look in the studio? if that is actually what happened, then one thing we know for sure is the 3 people looking for him were total idiots, and maybe that is the truth... Yes. PP includes 65,000 sq ft of ground to potentially cover so you look in all the obvious places first. I believe numerous people have said that Prince always turned to the music....to heal (or mask) whatever emotional pain he was suffering. I would bet his succumbing to an addiction and knowing how the coming treatment would expose him to possible scrutiny was a major mind fuk. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann |
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Reply #374 posted 10/02/17 10:45am
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NotACleverName said: LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: They described him 12 hours earlier in grave physical condition...he lives upstairs...they are there to do a crisis intervention...you really think when they go upstairs and he is not there, they first look in the studio? if that is actually what happened, then one thing we know for sure is the 3 people looking for him were total idiots, and maybe that is the truth...
Yes. PP includes 65,000 sq ft of ground to potentially cover so you look in all the obvious places first. I believe numerous people have said that Prince always turned to the music....to heal (or mask) whatever emotional pain he was suffering. I would bet his succumbing to an addiction and knowing how the coming treatment would expose him to possible scrutiny was a major mind fuk. O.k. So I am the only one that would look for the gravely I'll, unbelievable frail person who lives upstairs in the elevator...well, good to know about myself... |
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Reply #375 posted 10/02/17 11:02am
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So it does look like there were other deaths from fentanyl in Hennepin County.
Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.
Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.
http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E
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Reply #376 posted 10/02/17 11:02am
purplerabbitho le |
are you seriously tryin to guilt-trip/shame people for not agreeing with your assessment of what might have went down ?
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
NotACleverName said:
Yes. PP includes 65,000 sq ft of ground to potentially cover so you look in all the obvious places first. I believe numerous people have said that Prince always turned to the music....to heal (or mask) whatever emotional pain he was suffering. I would bet his succumbing to an addiction and knowing how the coming treatment would expose him to possible scrutiny was a major mind fuk.
O.k. So I am the only one that would look for the gravely I'll, unbelievable frail person who lives upstairs in the elevator...well, good to know about myself...
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Reply #377 posted 10/02/17 11:04am
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PeteSilas said:
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
And what about the 45 minutes it took to "find" him in the elevator? Everyone knows he is not well, he lives upstairs and there are only 2 ways down, the stairs or the elevator...does anyone actually believe it took them 45 minutes to look in the elevator? What do you think really went on in those very important and totally undocumented minutes? Something's up with that...
panic maybe, maybe trying to figure out what to do. didn't murray fuck around for a while when MJ od? There are also rumours that Elvis' people held off before they called the ambulance. All cases, they were dead already so people probably were trying to figure out how to handle it. Most of the time in those cases, all drugs are disposed of, in Elvis' case, not a drug to be found. Prince's death is the most surreal and strangest of all of them.
If I had a friend who almost died and was ill and struggling. I would have been going to check on him first thing in the morning. Help him get up a get ready for the meeting. I would not have sat in an office for 45 minutes chewing the fat with Andrew. |
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Reply #378 posted 10/02/17 11:04am
purplerabbitho le |
We were just discussing those 'sources' The ME and the police have not issued such statements out of Minnesota about Prince's levels etc.
PennyPurple said:
So it does look like there were other deaths from fentanyl in Hennepin County.
Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.
Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.
http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E
http://prince.org/msg/7/442603
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Reply #379 posted 10/02/17 11:08am
laurarichardso n |
PennyPurple said:
So it does look like there were other deaths from fentanyl in Hennepin County.
Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.
Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.
http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E
http://prince.org/msg/7/442603
What about the combonation he had in his system. I have not heard one case of anyone else in Minneapolis dying from the Fetanyl, muscle relaxer, and the other substance. What are the chances that this is the same concotion that is now the death penalty drug in Nevada. |
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Reply #380 posted 10/02/17 11:10am
purplerabbitho le |
Yeah, because that is of course what happened...
How about we dont know what it is like to deal with these issues with this particular man. The fact that he got him the meeting but didn't help him get ready might just prove how fvcking independent Pricne still was.
laurarichardson said:
PeteSilas said:
panic maybe, maybe trying to figure out what to do. didn't murray fuck around for a while when MJ od? There are also rumours that Elvis' people held off before they called the ambulance. All cases, they were dead already so people probably were trying to figure out how to handle it. Most of the time in those cases, all drugs are disposed of, in Elvis' case, not a drug to be found. Prince's death is the most surreal and strangest of all of them.
If I had a friend who almost died and was ill and struggling. I would have been going to check on him first thing in the morning. Help him get up a get ready for the meeting. I would not have sat in an office for 45 minutes chewing the fat with Andrew.
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Reply #381 posted 10/02/17 11:10am
laurarichardso n |
PeteSilas said:
ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
We dont really know how much fentanyl P had in his system.
The numbers everyone is referring to came from "sources" and
the information was not officially from the ME or the Sheriff's Department.
we don't really 'know' much, everyone seems to hint but not want to stop halfstepping with the shit and really say something. someone a couple weeks ago said that they knew someone who worked on the p/m shows and said it turned into a horror show, nothing more informative or concrete than that, those are the kinds of things we hear, it's surprising that more of these people haven't come out, maybe they just don't want the drama and potential legal problems they'd face if they came out and said anything negative. then we have people who worked for him like his hairdresser who doesn't seem to think he did any drugs and by inference must think there was some sort of foul play. Just bizarre.
There were not a whole lot of people on the P&M shows and all of the promotors said their were no problem. People cannot be sued for defamation so they are free to say what they like. Where are the stories? |
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Reply #382 posted 10/02/17 11:17am
LOVESYMBOLNUMB ER2 |
purplerabbithole said: Yeah, because that is of course what happened... How about we dont know what it is like to deal with these issues with this particular man. The fact that he got him the meeting but didn't help him get ready might just prove how fvcking independent Pricne still was.
laurarichardson said:
PeteSilas said:
panic maybe, maybe trying to figure out what to do. didn't murray fuck around for a while when MJ od? There are also rumours that Elvis' people held off before they called the ambulance. All cases, they were dead already so people probably were trying to figure out how to handle it. Most of the time in those cases, all drugs are disposed of, in Elvis' case, not a drug to be found. Prince's death is the most surreal and strangest of all of them.
If I had a friend who almost died and was ill and struggling. I would have been going to check on him first thing in the morning. Help him get up a get ready for the meeting. I would not have sat in an office for 45 minutes chewing the fat with Andrew.
All you do is post multi paragraph "what if scenarios"...yet you feel the need to point out when someone else is posting a possible scenario...really, come on your kidding right? I suggest you go back and read the hundreds if not thousands of possible theories and what if's you have posted...and let other people do the same...or not... |
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Reply #383 posted 10/02/17 11:18am
purplerabbitho le |
a.) do we know the sources are legit? Because don't you think this would be an enormous nationwide story. Prince had assasination level drugs in his system but all the press can cover is his heirs etc.
b.) if the sources are legit, how do we know the death penalty cocktail didn't come from what we just read about P's death.
c.) if P was assasinated, it still doesn't mean KJ did it. Prince was a grown man who could have gotten the drugs from anyone. Prince, like any human, had vulnerabilites and probably needed looking after but he was also a stubborn shit who knew lots of people and was sneaky. Yeah, maybe the documentary about his vault set off a series of events that led to his drug supplier being contacted by WB to spike his drugs so that they could eventually buy back the stuff in his vault and release his WB catalogue online and on spotify. But that seems rather drastic to obtain music like may or may not sell that well.
laurarichardson said:
PennyPurple said:
So it does look like there were other deaths from fentanyl in Hennepin County.
Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.
Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.
http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E
http://prince.org/msg/7/442603
What about the combonation he had in his system. I have not heard one case of anyone else in Minneapolis dying from the Fetanyl, muscle relaxer, and the other substance. What are the chances that this is the same concotion that is now the death penalty drug in Nevada.
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Reply #384 posted 10/02/17 11:19am
PeteSilas |
laurarichardson said:
PeteSilas said:
we don't really 'know' much, everyone seems to hint but not want to stop halfstepping with the shit and really say something. someone a couple weeks ago said that they knew someone who worked on the p/m shows and said it turned into a horror show, nothing more informative or concrete than that, those are the kinds of things we hear, it's surprising that more of these people haven't come out, maybe they just don't want the drama and potential legal problems they'd face if they came out and said anything negative. then we have people who worked for him like his hairdresser who doesn't seem to think he did any drugs and by inference must think there was some sort of foul play. Just bizarre.
There were not a whole lot of people on the P&M shows and all of the promotors said their were no problem. People cannot be sued for defamation so they are free to say what they like. Where are the stories?
someone on another thread said they knew someone on the tour who said it rturned into a horror show, on a recent thread, we've been getting vague shit like that for a year and a half, who knows what to make of it. |
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Reply #385 posted 10/02/17 11:22am
purplerabbitho le |
Did I ever stop someone from posting their what-if scenarios? I apologize for the language. But maybe I am tired of people on here acting like Prince was most hated man in Minnesota. Are we not fans on this site? Maybe we ought to have some compassion for this man instead of acting as if everyone around him only saw dollar signs when they looked at him. Either P is evil or hundreds of associates (who ignored or facilitated his death) are. Both scenarios that are popular these days on this site are terrible and depressing.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:
purplerabbithole said:
Yeah, because that is of course what happened...
How about we dont know what it is like to deal with these issues with this particular man. The fact that he got him the meeting but didn't help him get ready might just prove how fvcking independent Pricne still was.
All you do is post multi paragraph "what if scenarios"...yet you feel the need to point out when someone else is posting a possible scenario...really, come on your kidding right? I suggest you go back and read the hundreds if not thousands of possible theories and what if's you have posted...and let other people do the same...or not...
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Reply #386 posted 10/02/17 11:28am
PennyPurple |
laurarichardson said:
PennyPurple said:
So it does look like there were other deaths from fentanyl in Hennepin County.
Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.
Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.
http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E
http://prince.org/msg/7/442603
What about the combonation he had in his system. I have not heard one case of anyone else in Minneapolis dying from the Fetanyl, muscle relaxer, and the other substance. What are the chances that this is the same concotion that is now the death penalty drug in Nevada.
This was what was in the illegal pills. Is U-4700 a muscle relaxer?
However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street. |
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Reply #387 posted 10/02/17 11:30am
Bodhitheblackd og |
SpinsterSister said:
SpinsterSister said:
although, I do personally believe that a few in his inner circle had an idea about some of his issues. At least to some point. Whether they were mature enough to recognise and decipher what was truly going on or if they just didn't think any more about it and contributed it to his "uniqueness".
Signals were given - those signals were there all along, from ForYou to his last days. I can empathise with the absolute terror of letting down your multi-layered walls of protection, I just wish he could've found somebody....ANYBODY....who could have worked on him, with him but not for him to get him the help he needed. I don't wish that sort of inner turmoil on anybody but a very chosen few.
Shame+Fear=STIGMA
God Bless You for these words.... |
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Reply #388 posted 10/02/17 11:31am
PennyPurple |
purplerabbithole said:
a.) do we know the sources are legit? Because don't you think this would be an enormous nationwide story. Prince had assasination level drugs in his system but all the press can cover is his heirs etc.
b.) if the sources are legit, how do we know the death penalty cocktail didn't come from what we just read about P's death.
c.) if P was assasinated, it still doesn't mean KJ did it. Prince was a grown man who could have gotten the drugs from anyone. Prince, like any human, had vulnerabilites and probably needed looking after but he was also a stubborn shit who knew lots of people and was sneaky. Yeah, maybe the documentary about his vault set off a series of events that led to his drug supplier being contacted by WB to spike his drugs so that they could eventually buy back the stuff in his vault and release his WB catalogue online and on spotify. But that seems rather drastic to obtain music like may or may not sell that well.
It was an enormous story when it broke. The press has covered the drugs in his system and related to his death. They just don't report on the heirs. |
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Reply #389 posted 10/02/17 11:32am
LOVESYMBOLNUMB ER2 |
purplerabbithole said: Did I ever stop someone from posting their what-if scenarios? I apologize for the language. But maybe I am tired of people on here acting like Prince was most hated man in Minnesota. Are we not fans on this site? Maybe we ought to have some compassion for this man instead of acting as if everyone around him only saw dollar signs when they looked at him. Either P is evil or hundreds of associates (who ignored or facilitated his death) are. Both scenarios that are popular these days on this site are terrible and depressing.
LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said: purplerabbithole said:
Yeah, because that is of course what happened...
How about we dont know what it is like to deal with these issues with this particular man. The fact that he got him the meeting but didn't help him get ready might just prove how fvcking independent Pricne still was.
All you do is post multi paragraph "what if scenarios"...yet you feel the need to point out when someone else is posting a possible scenario...really, come on your kidding right? I suggest you go back and read the hundreds if not thousands of possible theories and what if's you have posted...and let other people do the same...or not...
There are a few people consistently saying really negative things about him yes, but you are really hyper focused on those few people. This is the internet there are going to be butt holes...but most of the people posting are just as confused and concerned about the circumstances surrounding his life and death as you are. Let the hyper negative stuff go, as it will never stop...humans are dick wads... |
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