SquirrelMeat said:

Misslink88 said:

I'll just put this out there for some thought. As chucktown1 stated, "When you put yourself out there, you have be perpared for the reaction you are gonna get whether it be positive or negative." According to you, if "they" can't differenciate between their own emotions and the impact on others, is not Mayte in the same boat? Did she not consider what her book's "impact on others" might be given the depth of their grief? It's not something she would have missed. People on this board are still having a hard time coming to terms with it. A little consideration for them might have gone a long way. Can't close the gate now the cows are out.

You hint at loose justification for some peoples actions. I won't call them Prince fans, because they aren't, whether they think it or not. Prince would utterly condemn them.

Not that I would condemn any illegal physical action, but if that was to play out, I fail to see how any violent action at Prince's home is anything but insulting his memory.

The people that have done this are the lowest of the low, and do more to tarnish Prince's legacy than Mayte ever could.

Simply, the people/person that did this are utter fruit cakes who understand nothing about Prince and place their own perception of grief (for a person they never knew) above the genuine feelings of Prince's family, Paisly Park and Prince's genuine fans.

I totally agree. That kind of behaviour and thinking is unhinged. Makes me think of the movie Purge.
Vigilante justice, based on the individual persons inner issues and turmoil

This is what Prince called a FANATIC. And the made up word popular on the Org STAN(NER) used wrong in most cases, is very much in relation to that kind of mindset, that 'you got what you asked for'.

Like people who condemn a rape victim for wearing a mini skirt and showing a little too much much skin 'for their personal' taste, she got what she asked for. She knew that there are people out there that might see her actions as an invitation...

herb4 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But her book wasn't criminal. It wasn't illegal.

If people start stalking and threatening her, that is illegal.

It was harmless and actually relatively insightful. I read it and thought it was quite good. Aside from the creepy, weird wannabes and groupies who want to speak for Prince and "protect his legacy" for their own self centered reasons, no one had a fucking problem with it or even really read the damned thing. It was a relative fart in the wind.

The backlash or whatever it is, and the vandalism...It reeks of jealousy and folks wishing they had been HER because, of course, THEY would have done things DIFFERENTLY, you see, and ultimately wanted to be the woman who was fucking Prince and hearing him say he loved them for being so dedicated, receiving the flowers, the songs, the poems the jewelry and the fancy wedding. If THEY were married to him, Prince would have never strayed and would not have even died.

THEY understand him and could have taken him on a different path. Never would have left him alone that fateful night, would have gotten him treatment, etc. "I could have changed him". Fixer upper and all that. This shit is dark as hell and I'm continually astonished at some of the stuff I read on here since his death.

Yes, this is totally what I've been thinking. I call them 'Harem women' There are literally people in a complete fantasy world of love and lust with Prince. And don't see that this kind of 'assault' on any all women connected with Prince is twisted.

herb4 said:

Misslink88 said:

I'd agree with some of your statements if the backlash didn't occur immediately after she announced the book (both times in 2015 and 2016) and if it wasn't around the issue of his privacy. In 2015, nobody presumed to speak for P since he was still here and the book wasn't released. He had attorneys in place at that time. The privacy thing was again raised the second time she announced the book, so much so that Meltedman was in here trying to "calm" the waters by saying "you'll love him even more after the book." Didn't happen either. I do agree, though, that it was a relative fart in the wind.

Fair enough, but as a divorced male, I feel confident asserting and knowing that she can do whatever she wants.


She had a life too, and it was very largely connected to Prince and his controlling demeanor. If anything, she peeled back the curtain a bit and shined some light on his true nature. I doubt it was always pleasant; candles, songs, cute notes, money, flowers, make up and incense notwithstanding.

She was fucking SIXTEEN, folks.

The man literally died protecting a secret in his personal life. Let that sink in fully and completely.

An ex-wife, “coming from a place of love”, whom he has rarely spoken to (by her own admission) in the almost 20 years since they divorced, writes a book detailing the circumstances of their son's death and includes a rumour that he burned their son's ashes. She then claims he would have “hugged her” for writing it. Let that sink in fully and completely.

Yet you feel she “knows him better than anyone here”, apparently even better than he knows himself?? She was 16 and LIVING IN GERMANY WITH HER PARENTS. She only moved to MN when she was 18 and they didn't start a relationship until she was 19. She wrote the book when she was 43. We were ALL 16 ONCE.

SquirrelMeat said:

Misslink88 said:

I'll just put this out there for some thought. As chucktown1 stated, "When you put yourself out there, you have be perpared for the reaction you are gonna get whether it be positive or negative." According to you, if "they" can't differenciate between their own emotions and the impact on others, is not Mayte in the same boat? Did she not consider what her book's "impact on others" might be given the depth of their grief? It's not something she would have missed. People on this board are still having a hard time coming to terms with it. A little consideration for them might have gone a long way. Can't close the gate now the cows are out.

You hint at loose justification for some peoples actions. I won't call them Prince fans, because they aren't, whether they think it or not. Prince would utterly condemn them.

Not that I would condemn any illegal physical action, but if that was to play out, I fail to see how any violent action at Prince's home is anything but insulting his memory.

The people that have done this are the lowest of the low, and do more to tarnish Prince's legacy than Mayte ever could.

Simply, the people/person that did this are utter fruit cakes who understand nothing about Prince and place their own perception of grief (for a person they never knew) above the genuine feelings of Prince's family, Paisly Park and Prince's genuine fans.

Justification and possible rationale (for those people) are two separate things. I have stated earlier exactly what you've said on this thread: these people aren't P's fans, fams or anything remotely related; P would not condone this behaviour (nor do I).

Sad. I don't know why people do these things.

rogifan said:

So this was a nice poster a Prince Facebook group made and hung up on the fence at Paisley Park. Stupid vandals ruined it. These people committing vandalism at Paisley Park can fuck off.

Misslink88 said:

The man literally died protecting a secret in his personal life. Let that sink in fully and completely.

An ex-wife, “coming from a place of love”, whom he has rarely spoken to (by her own admission) in the almost 20 years since they divorced, writes a book detailing the circumstances of their son's death and includes a rumour that he burned their son's ashes. She then claims he would have “hugged her” for writing it. Let that sink in fully and completely.

Yet you feel she “knows him better than anyone here”, apparently even better than he knows himself?? She was 16 and LIVING IN GERMANY WITH HER PARENTS. She only moved to MN when she was 18 and they didn't start a relationship until she was 19. She wrote the book when she was 43. We were ALL 16 ONCE.

She was 17 when she started working for Prince. Hence the need for the papers of guardianship. At the age of 16 she was visiting him and talking on the phone to him.

PennyPurple said:

Misslink88 said:

The man literally died protecting a secret in his personal life. Let that sink in fully and completely.

An ex-wife, “coming from a place of love”, whom he has rarely spoken to (by her own admission) in the almost 20 years since they divorced, writes a book detailing the circumstances of their son's death and includes a rumour that he burned their son's ashes. She then claims he would have “hugged her” for writing it. Let that sink in fully and completely.

Yet you feel she “knows him better than anyone here”, apparently even better than he knows himself?? She was 16 and LIVING IN GERMANY WITH HER PARENTS. She only moved to MN when she was 18 and they didn't start a relationship until she was 19. She wrote the book when she was 43. We were ALL 16 ONCE.

She was 17 when she started working for Prince. Hence the need for the papers of guardianship. At the age of 16 she was visiting him and talking on the phone to him.

My personal belief is that despite the untold number of allusions, hints and metaphors in his lyrics which are gold to those who would care to dig and think deeply; Prince kept many major secrets his entire life. I believe the holy grail of his life was not, despite popular belief, sex, drugs or even the music that brought him such relief from his insatiable need to dominate and CONTROL. CONTROL was his jam. He did not permit people in his life, band, bed or space whom he coud not manipulate and control with a paycheck, their own yearning for fame or riches or their desire to be close to his beauty, charisma and musical genius. The reasons he had such a thirst for control were some of the secrets he took to his grave. RIP

PennyPurple said:

Misslink88 said:

The man literally died protecting a secret in his personal life. Let that sink in fully and completely.

An ex-wife, “coming from a place of love”, whom he has rarely spoken to (by her own admission) in the almost 20 years since they divorced, writes a book detailing the circumstances of their son's death and includes a rumour that he burned their son's ashes. She then claims he would have “hugged her” for writing it. Let that sink in fully and completely.

Yet you feel she “knows him better than anyone here”, apparently even better than he knows himself?? She was 16 and LIVING IN GERMANY WITH HER PARENTS. She only moved to MN when she was 18 and they didn't start a relationship until she was 19. She wrote the book when she was 43. We were ALL 16 ONCE.

She was 17 when she started working for Prince. Hence the need for the papers of guardianship. At the age of 16 she was visiting him and talking on the phone to him.

No. She met him in July 90 and turned 17 that November. The first time she visited PP was at the end of that year, shortly after Christmas. The next time was in LA for the D&P video (May 25/26 '91) but she was cut out (hence, the temporary guardianship so she could work there). He took her shopping and then she went back to Germany. The next time was for "The Max" (recorded in late '91, after she turned 18.) Regardless, she's 44 these days. She may know more "about" him than anyone else here, but she clearly choses to disrepect the one thing everyone does know about him - his absolute obsession with privacy.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

She was 17 when she started working for Prince. Hence the need for the papers of guardianship. At the age of 16 she was visiting him and talking on the phone to him.

My personal belief is that despite the untold number of allusions, hints and metaphors in his lyrics which are gold to those who would care to dig and think deeply; Prince kept many major secrets his entire life. I believe the holy grail of his life was not, despite popular belief, sex, drugs or even the music that brought him such relief from his insatiable need to dominate and CONTROL. CONTROL was his jam. He did not permit people in his life, band, bed or space whom he coud not manipulate and control with a paycheck, their own yearning for fame or riches or their desire to be close to his beauty, charisma and musical genius. The reasons he had such a thirst for control were some of the secrets he took to his grave. RIP

I totally believe this to be true and that is why I think very few and even the "wives" and bandmates knew him. I think the ones who may have really known the essence of him were not the NUfriends of later years - I think those whoknew him prior to Purple Rain got to know the essence of him the rest I think they got what they wanted him to be or he allowed them to get whatever they wanted/needed him to be.

Vashtix said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

My personal belief is that despite the untold number of allusions, hints and metaphors in his lyrics which are gold to those who would care to dig and think deeply; Prince kept many major secrets his entire life. I believe the holy grail of his life was not, despite popular belief, sex, drugs or even the music that brought him such relief from his insatiable need to dominate and CONTROL. CONTROL was his jam. He did not permit people in his life, band, bed or space whom he coud not manipulate and control with a paycheck, their own yearning for fame or riches or their desire to be close to his beauty, charisma and musical genius. The reasons he had such a thirst for control were some of the secrets he took to his grave. RIP

I totally believe this to be true and that is why I think very few and even the "wives" and bandmates knew him. I think the ones who may have really known the essence of him were not the NUfriends of later years - I think those whoknew him prior to Purple Rain got to know the essence of him the rest I think they got what they wanted him to be or he allowed them to get whatever they wanted/needed him to be.

Absolutely:' I can be your boy or girl, I can be your baby or your big strong man' (I paraphrase)...I can be your husband (maybe not), I can be your mentor (another girlfriend album?! screamed the suits), I can be your lover of God (just as soon as I get this stranger done the way she wants to be done...) He could/would be all things to all comers (forgive the pun) thus making EVERYONE he came in contact with vulnerable to manipulation unless they were very strong minded, intelligent and had a clear vision of who THEY were. And those people, IMO, did NOT stick around.

Misslink88 said:

herb4 said:

Fair enough, but as a divorced male, I feel confident asserting and knowing that she can do whatever she wants.


She had a life too, and it was very largely connected to Prince and his controlling demeanor. If anything, she peeled back the curtain a bit and shined some light on his true nature. I doubt it was always pleasant; candles, songs, cute notes, money, flowers, make up and incense notwithstanding.

She was fucking SIXTEEN, folks.

The man literally died protecting a secret in his personal life. Let that sink in fully and completely.

An ex-wife, “coming from a place of love”, whom he has rarely spoken to (by her own admission) in the almost 20 years since they divorced, writes a book detailing the circumstances of their son's death and includes a rumour that he burned their son's ashes. She then claims he would have “hugged her” for writing it. Let that sink in fully and completely.

Yet you feel she “knows him better than anyone here”, apparently even better than he knows himself?? She was 16 and LIVING IN GERMANY WITH HER PARENTS. She only moved to MN when she was 18 and they didn't start a relationship until she was 19. She wrote the book when she was 43. We were ALL 16 ONCE.

How many of us were fliting with, dating or married to 32 year old people when we were 16? No wonder Prince was so insanely private. SHit's a little creepy no matter how you slice it. I'd say hers is a story worth telling and I feel comfortable she knew him better than any of us, yes. I never said she knew him better than he knew himself, or even knew everything about him, so not sure where that strawman came from.

Most, if not ALL, of what she wrote was directly related to the time she spent with him.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

She was 17 when she started working for Prince. Hence the need for the papers of guardianship. At the age of 16 she was visiting him and talking on the phone to him.

My personal belief is that despite the untold number of allusions, hints and metaphors in his lyrics which are gold to those who would care to dig and think deeply; Prince kept many major secrets his entire life. I believe the holy grail of his life was not, despite popular belief, sex, drugs or even the music that brought him such relief from his insatiable need to dominate and CONTROL. CONTROL was his jam. He did not permit people in his life, band, bed or space whom he coud not manipulate and control with a paycheck, their own yearning for fame or riches or their desire to be close to his beauty, charisma and musical genius. The reasons he had such a thirst for control were some of the secrets he took to his grave. RIP

You nailed it. CONTROL issues likely brought about by a deep rooted insecurity that he masked with narcissism.

herb4 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

My personal belief is that despite the untold number of allusions, hints and metaphors in his lyrics which are gold to those who would care to dig and think deeply; Prince kept many major secrets his entire life. I believe the holy grail of his life was not, despite popular belief, sex, drugs or even the music that brought him such relief from his insatiable need to dominate and CONTROL. CONTROL was his jam. He did not permit people in his life, band, bed or space whom he coud not manipulate and control with a paycheck, their own yearning for fame or riches or their desire to be close to his beauty, charisma and musical genius. The reasons he had such a thirst for control were some of the secrets he took to his grave. RIP

You nailed it. CONTROL issues likely brought about by a deep rooted insecurity that he masked with narcissism.

No, YOU nailed it. I never saw him speak from the stage ('do you WANT me?') or during an interview where his uncomfortable sef-consciousness wasn't on full, painful display. Let's face it, a secure man doesn't stride forth each day in full makeup, 'done' hair and high heels.

You are a god. Whatever you need its yours

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CONTROL was his jam.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

You nailed it. CONTROL issues likely brought about by a deep rooted insecurity that he masked with narcissism.

No, YOU nailed it. I never saw him speak from the stage ('do you WANT me?') or during an interview where his uncomfortable sef-consciousness wasn't on full, painful display. Let's face it, a secure man doesn't stride forth each day in full makeup, 'done' hair and high heels.

Yeah, thanks, and I'm not trying to slam the guy either.

Prince did more with what he had than anyone I can think of and worked very hard for what he got, but the unstable home life, his small stature and all that definitely takes its toll. Somehow he spun it all into a net positive. I think there's something control oriented in the romance that eventually became his first marraige too. The age difference alone speaks to that, without even factoring in "the disparity of wealth and fame" aspects of their relationship at that time.

That shit with Oprah and Amir never sat quite right with me. I'm not telling them how they should have handled that situation but it seems pretty obvious that THEY didn't handle anything. HE did. Mayte is allowed to talk about it. It was her life too and Prince aint around to bitch about it anymore. I'm not sure how that posthumously violates his trust in her. He's dead. Up there jamming with Jimi and Blackwell right now if you believe in that sort of thing. When I'm gone, it's not gonna matter what stories people tell or what secrets they divulge.

I think some people are bothered by the fact Prince was deeply flawed in many ways and was often temperamental, stubborn, arrogant, contradictory and probably an unreasonable, distant, eccentric absolute pain in the ass a lot of times. But, for some, revelations like this tarnish the pedastal they place him on and the image they've conjured of who he was - much like people freaking out about his drug usage.

Somehow, they manage to project all that onto themselves because they so strongly equate their identities with their fandom and I don't get that at all.

Both nailed it and any formal assessment would come up with those sentiments. Trust me on this.

herb4 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

No, YOU nailed it. I never saw him speak from the stage ('do you WANT me?') or during an interview where his uncomfortable sef-consciousness wasn't on full, painful display. Let's face it, a secure man doesn't stride forth each day in full makeup, 'done' hair and high heels.

Yeah, thanks, and I'm not trying to slam the guy either.

Prince did more with what he had than anyone I can think of and worked very hard for what he got, but the unstable home life, his small stature and all that definitely takes its toll. Somehow he spun it all into a net positive. I think there's something control oriented in the romance that eventually became his first marraige too. The age difference alone speaks to that, without even factoring in "the disparity of wealth and fame" aspects of their relationship at that time.

That shit with Oprah and Amir never sat quite right with me. I'm not telling them how they should have handled that situation but it seems pretty obvious that THEY didn't handle anything. HE did. Mayte is allowed to talk about it. It was her life too and Prince aint around to bitch about it anymore. I'm not sure how that posthumously violates his trust in her. He's dead. Up there jamming with Jimi and Blackwell right now if you believe in that sort of thing. When I'm gone, it's not gonna matter what stories people tell or what secrets they divulge.

I think some people are bothered by the fact Prince was deeply flawed in many ways and was often temperamental, stubborn, arrogant, contradictory and probably an unreasonable, distant, eccentric absolute pain in the ass a lot of times. But, for some, revelations like this tarnish the pedastal they place him on and the image they've conjured of who he was - much like people freaking out about his drug usage.

Somehow, they manage to project all that onto themselves because they so strongly equate their identities with their fandom and I don't get that at all.

Another thing that has always bothered me…a lot: how could they (Prince) let their child pass away without either of them being there. I mean, just the ‘hired help’ at the end for this child? WTF...can someone out there help me understand this?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

Yeah, thanks, and I'm not trying to slam the guy either.

Prince did more with what he had than anyone I can think of and worked very hard for what he got, but the unstable home life, his small stature and all that definitely takes its toll. Somehow he spun it all into a net positive. I think there's something control oriented in the romance that eventually became his first marraige too. The age difference alone speaks to that, without even factoring in "the disparity of wealth and fame" aspects of their relationship at that time.

That shit with Oprah and Amir never sat quite right with me. I'm not telling them how they should have handled that situation but it seems pretty obvious that THEY didn't handle anything. HE did. Mayte is allowed to talk about it. It was her life too and Prince aint around to bitch about it anymore. I'm not sure how that posthumously violates his trust in her. He's dead. Up there jamming with Jimi and Blackwell right now if you believe in that sort of thing. When I'm gone, it's not gonna matter what stories people tell or what secrets they divulge.

I think some people are bothered by the fact Prince was deeply flawed in many ways and was often temperamental, stubborn, arrogant, contradictory and probably an unreasonable, distant, eccentric absolute pain in the ass a lot of times. But, for some, revelations like this tarnish the pedastal they place him on and the image they've conjured of who he was - much like people freaking out about his drug usage.

Somehow, they manage to project all that onto themselves because they so strongly equate their identities with their fandom and I don't get that at all.

Another thing that has always bothered me…a lot: how could they (Prince) let their child pass away without either of them being there. I mean, just the ‘hired help’ at the end for this child? WTF...can someone out there help me understand this?

Is that in her book?

rdhull said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Another thing that has always bothered me…a lot: how could they (Prince) let their child pass away without either of them being there. I mean, just the ‘hired help’ at the end for this child? WTF...can someone out there help me understand this?

Is that in her book?

Yes, she was semi-sedated at PP, he was in his studio and had promised her he would tell her when they took Amiir off life support so she could be there. When she found out she freaked out and tried to drive herself to the hospital, the phone rang, their child was gone. Before she knew, Prince had been calling from PP to ask the nannies, repeatedly, who were present, 'is it over yet?" He directed the nannies to take their child to be cremated and they showed up at PP several hours later with Amiir's ashes in an urn. Prince waved them away ...Mayte spent many hours/days/nights curled up with that urn because "it was all I had left." Prince later told her he hadn't warned her their sons' death was imminant because HE didn't "think she could handle it." Any of you parents out there think this was a loving decision that he made? IMO, you bring a fragile child into the world you have a moral obligation to be there touching that child with all the love you can muster in your fingertips when they breathe their last.

I cant

herb4 said:

Misslink88 said:

The man literally died protecting a secret in his personal life. Let that sink in fully and completely.

An ex-wife, “coming from a place of love”, whom he has rarely spoken to (by her own admission) in the almost 20 years since they divorced, writes a book detailing the circumstances of their son's death and includes a rumour that he burned their son's ashes. She then claims he would have “hugged her” for writing it. Let that sink in fully and completely.

Yet you feel she “knows him better than anyone here”, apparently even better than he knows himself?? She was 16 and LIVING IN GERMANY WITH HER PARENTS. She only moved to MN when she was 18 and they didn't start a relationship until she was 19. She wrote the book when she was 43. We were ALL 16 ONCE.

How many of us were fliting with, dating or married to 32 year old people when we were 16? No wonder Prince was so insanely private. SHit's a little creepy no matter how you slice it. I'd say hers is a story worth telling and I feel comfortable she knew him better than any of us, yes. I never said she knew him better than he knew himself, or even knew everything about him, so not sure where that strawman came from.

Most, if not ALL, of what she wrote was directly related to the time she spent with him.

Do you even know anything about this man? In case you missed it, he was notoriously private and had trust issues from the get-go. That said, do you really think a 32 year old man, particularly one in the public eye, would put anything IN WRITING that would open him up to extortion or a lawsuit with a 16 yr. old? Her father was banging on his door wanting more money when she was 18, so chances are pretty good, no. What's creepy is you continuing to spout on about this "16 yr old" stuff when in fact, she was closer to 17 when she met him, and, like several before her, she was offered a job and did not legally work for him until she was 18. Whether or not she was paid for the non-existant D&P video appearance, she doesn't say. You're also forgetting Carmen Electra and a host of others he was occupied with.

rogifan said:

This is about vandalism at Paisley Park. Not about Prince & Mayte. If someone wants to create a Prince & Mayte thread go ahead.

And some things organically add or change some directions to threads and it IS germain to the og topic. As if this one is so special.

rogifan said:

This is about vandalism at Paisley Park. Not about Prince & Mayte. If someone wants to create a Prince & Mayte thread go ahead.

Mayte was married to Prince. Mayte released a book about her marriage to Prince. Some people didn't like the book. Logically, we can deduce that the reason the vandalism appeared is because of the book since nothing like that had happened to her prior. How do you separate Prince & Mayte and the vandalism if you don't discuss why Mayte is even being talked about....(hint, Prince).

rogifan said:

So this was a nice poster a Prince Facebook group made and hung up on the fence at Paisley Park. Stupid vandals ruined it. These people committing vandalism at Paisley Park can fuck off.

So senseless, direspectful and heart breaking

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Misslink88 said:

luv4u said: